Difference between stock BIOS and prema BIOS

[srs2236]

Hello!

 

Ever since I have had my Clevo machine (P775TM1-G) I have heard about a prema BIOS mod.

 

I don't fully understand what it is.

 

Is it just an unlocked stock BIOS, or does it offer something more than that?

 

I am wondering if it can do something my current BIOS can't yet do.

 

For example, changing RAM Tertiary timings is broken, you can choose whatever values it completely ignores them. Same with RAM command rate.

 

There is quite a lot of other things that is broken in regards to RAM, so I am thinking whether thats fixed in prema.

 

Thanks!

[jaybee83]

48 minutes ago, srs2236 said:

Hello!

 

Ever since I have had my Clevo machine (P775TM1-G) I have heard about a prema BIOS mod.

 

I don't fully understand what it is.

 

Is it just an unlocked stock BIOS, or does it offer something more than that?

 

I am wondering if it can do something my current BIOS can't yet do.

 

For example, changing RAM Tertiary timings is broken, you can choose whatever values it completely ignores them. Same with RAM command rate.

 

There is quite a lot of other things that is broken in regards to RAM, so I am thinking whether thats fixed in prema.

 

Thanks!

oh boy, where to start 😄 its a few very BIG things, a lot of smaller things and a gazillion little things (under the hood) that makes PremaMOD stand out.

 

it starts with way way more customization options for all components of your system, be it cpu, ram, gpu, TPM, I/O, Sound, Display, Mux, etc.

that includes suboptions for over and underclocking, voltages, power limits, amperage limits, suspend timings, enabling and disabling features, timings, etc.

 

then were talking updates to ME firmware, cpu microcodes, RAM and gpu settings, letting u use hardware that is normally not able to run in the system. examples include higher RAM speeds (i.e. above the current standard 3200 Mhz limit), newer cpus that are physically compatible with the socket in the system but are officially not supported by the firmware (i.e. 9900K in a Z170 laptop which only supports 6700K and/or 7700K) or being able to upgrade to newer gen gpus (i.e. going from a stock 1080 to a 2080 or even a 3080, albeit sometimes a few hardware modifications are required there).

 

furthermore, PremaMOD includes under the hood stuff that enables higher and more stable performance for both CPU and GPU. both processors and graphics cards tend to have unstable boost algorithms where clocks tend to fluctuate wildly instead of holding steady because of power and voltage limits imposed by the stock firmware. PremaMOD tends to remove a lot of that crap, giving u much higher and more stable boost clocks.

 

sure, there are a lot of people just "unlocking" hidden options in the stock bios and saying its the same. but thats basically just scratching the surface. they are only slapping a new coat of paint on a Prius, whereas Prema basically replaces the whole friggin engine, the suspension, provides a set of BIGASS rims, lowers the whole chassis, tints the windows, installs an afterburner with nitrous boost and much more, thus u rather end up with a beastly Lambo sporting a "harmless" prius exterior 😄 

[srs2236]

58 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

oh boy, where to start 😄 its a few very BIG things, a lot of smaller things and a gazillion little things (under the hood) that makes PremaMOD stand out.

 

it starts with way way more customization options for all components of your system, be it cpu, ram, gpu, TPM, I/O, Sound, Display, Mux, etc.

that includes suboptions for over and underclocking, voltages, power limits, amperage limits, suspend timings, enabling and disabling features, timings, etc.

 

then were talking updates to ME firmware, cpu microcodes, RAM and gpu settings, letting u use hardware that is normally not able to run in the system. examples include higher RAM speeds (i.e. above the current standard 3200 Mhz limit), newer cpus that are physically compatible with the socket in the system but are officially not supported by the firmware (i.e. 9900K in a Z170 laptop which only supports 6700K and/or 7700K) or being able to upgrade to newer gen gpus (i.e. going from a stock 1080 to a 2080 or even a 3080, albeit sometimes a few hardware modifications are required there).

 

furthermore, PremaMOD includes under the hood stuff that enables higher and more stable performance for both CPU and GPU. both processors and graphics cards tend to have unstable boost algorithms where clocks tend to fluctuate wildly instead of holding steady because of power and voltage limits imposed by the stock firmware. PremaMOD tends to remove a lot of that crap, giving u much higher and more stable boost clocks.

 

sure, there are a lot of people just "unlocking" hidden options in the stock bios and saying its the same. but thats basically just scratching the surface. they are only slapping a new coat of paint on a Prius, whereas Prema basically replaces the whole friggin engine, the suspension, provides a set of BIGASS rims, lowers the whole chassis, tints the windows, installs an afterburner with nitrous boost and much more, thus u rather end up with a beastly Lambo sporting a "harmless" prius exterior 😄 

Thanks for the in depth response! I appreciate it!

 

Well then, the only thing left for me would be to try and test it out myself.

 

To be honest it sounds good.

 

You mentioned sometimes it can enable hardware that was never meant to run on the system before. First thing that comes to my mind is intel integrated graphics. Any chance Prema has found a way to install the necessary igpu modules in BIOS and get them properly detected?

 

Anyways, I want to try it out. Any directions you can give me where I can try to acquire such mod for my P775TM1-G?

 

And your thoughts on upgrading from 2080 to 3080 on a P775TM1-G? Any chances of it actually working, with hardware mods or not?

 

Again, thanks for your response.

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, srs2236 said:

Thanks for the in depth response! I appreciate it!

 

Well then, the only thing left for me would be to try and test it out myself.

 

To be honest it sounds good.

 

You mentioned sometimes it can enable hardware that was never meant to run on the system before. First thing that comes to my mind is intel integrated graphics. Any chance Prema has found a way to install the necessary igpu modules in BIOS and get them properly detected?

 

Anyways, I want to try it out. Any directions you can give me where I can try to acquire such mod for my P775TM1-G?

 

And your thoughts on upgrading from 2080 to 3080 on a P775TM1-G? Any chances of it actually working, with hardware mods or not?

 

Again, thanks for your response.

sure bud, always happy to promote our resident unicorn phoenix master hahaha

 

intel igpu is actually smth that most of the time cannot be tweaked much in terms of functionality. there are three types of systems with regards to igpu: 1) igpu disabled (physically cut off) with discrete gpu only 2) igpu and dgpu active, but only automated switching possible via optimus-like implementation (all output is being routed through igpu) 3) igpu and dgpu active, manual switching possible through a hardware mux, so output can either come from igpu or dgpu

in all three instances, functionality always stays the same as stock. so if the igpu is not functional at stock, theres usually no way to activate it via firmware since the physical traces are missing on the motherboard. its basically unheard of that the igpu would be disabled via firmware only, with the hardware traces implemented nonetheless...

 

as for acquiring the premamod... humtz, thats always a tricky one. it used to be donation based and freely available back in the day up to 900M series, nowadays its usually only available together with a newly bought system from a prema partner shop. but u can always try to contact Prema himself and offer up a personal donation (hes also got an account here at NBT btw).

 

im personally not intimately familiar with the P775TM1, but im aware that it originally started off with 8 series cpus and 10 series pascal gpus and later was able to sport 9 series cpus and 20 series turing gpus. as for ampere 30 series gpus, mxm versions are still far and few between. id first check and see if ure able to source them anywhere, then check the physical dimensions and heatsink compatibility first. only once uve taken care of those hurdles can u consider continuing with a firmware mod (if even necessary, sometimes theyre plug n play firmware wise with just driver inf mod needed).

 

[aldarxt]

Gotta say thanks for this explanation, This brings me to a question, what Laptops can use Prema Bios in?  Is there a list of laptops that can use Prema Bios? I would think Laptops that can use Prema would be more Better option to buy than a laptop that can't use Prema. Might Help Limit the field of choices of what to buy.

[jaybee83]

48 minutes ago, aldarxt said:

Gotta say thanks for this explanation, This brings me to a question, what Laptops can use Prema Bios in?  Is there a list of laptops that can use Prema Bios? I would think Laptops that can use Prema would be more Better option to buy than a laptop that can't use Prema. Might Help Limit the field of choices of what to buy.

PremaMod is mostly available for Clevo machines, but there are also some individual MSI and Tongfang machines that got it. every premamod is model specific, so it doesnt cover a whole brand or series. 

lemme check if i can find an updated / current list of premamod partners / shops that offer premamod with machines they sell.

[srs2236]

Would it be possible to get Prema's member name? So that I could write him a message about the BIOS?

 

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, srs2236 said:

Would it be possible to get Prema's member name? So that I could write him a message about the BIOS?

 

oh thats easy, his name here at NBT is @Prema 😄 

[razor0601]

I think it’s possible to get a 3080 in there working. Someone in Germany put a 3080 in a P870TM. And it works.