Precision 7680 / Precision 7780 pre-release discussion (Raptor Lake, 2023)

[Aaron44126]

Not a Precision announcement, but sort of related, since Precision 5000 and the XPS line tightly connected.  Dell XPS 15 and XPS 17 models with Intel 13th-gen CPUs and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4000-series GPUs will launch on March 2.  No changes to speak of other than the spec boost.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/28/23602572/dell-xps-15-17-laptop-intel-nvidia-launch-announcement

[yslalan]

https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/workstations/technical-support/precision-7780-spec-sheet.pdf

https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/workstations/technical-support/precision-7680-spec-sheet.pdf

Looks like the spec pdf exists there (Not 404 error), but no permission to access the files.

[Aaron44126]

5 minutes ago, yslalan said:

https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/workstations/technical-support/precision-7780-spec-sheet.pdf

https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/workstations/technical-support/precision-7680-spec-sheet.pdf

Looks like the spec pdf exists there (Not 404 error), but no permission to access the files.

 

Same here, 500 Server Error after logging in.  (Maybe they learned from last year.)

 

Though continuing the story of "What's going on with Precision 5000 series?"....

3000 and 7000 series spec sheets seem to exist as you noted (500 error), 5000 series spec sheets do not (404 error).

[yslalan]

1 minute ago, Aaron44126 said:

 

Same here, 500 Server Error after logging in.  (Maybe they learned from last year.)

 

Though continuing the story of "What's going on with 5000 series?"....

3000 and 7000 series spec sheets seem to exist as you noted (500 error), 5000 series spec sheets do not (404 error).

The new XPS 15/17 have 60Watt dGPU(including 4080), that would be a funny story if a 60Watt RTX5000Ada is on Precision 5000series

[Aaron44126]

24 minutes ago, yslalan said:

The new XPS 15/17 have 60Watt dGPU(including 4080), that would be a funny story if a 60Watt RTX5000Ada is on Precision 5000series

NVIDIA's product naming is all messed up...  RTX 5000 Ada should correspond with GeForce RTX 4090 mobile, I do rather doubt that they will try to cram that into an XPS chassis.

 

Found this seemingly orderable Precision 7780.  No idea if this page is legit, but it has reasonable specs listed.  Photos look exactly like Precision 7770 (which I would expect for this generation).

https://premiumstation.pl/product/Laptop-Dell-Precision-7780-FullHD-i5-13600HX-32-GB-1-TB-SSD-RTX-2000-Ada-IRcamFHD-Win11Pro-3-lata-gwarancji/6316

 

[Edit]

More configurations. https://premiumstation.pl/search/laptopy-dell-precision-7780

They have listed these GPUs:

RTX A1000 (presumably Ampere) – 6 GB

RTX 2000 Ada – 8 GB

RTX 3500 Ada – 12 GB

 

...If that's right, NVIDIA's product stack might even be more messed up than I thought.  😛

They aren't just going to go 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000 like normal?

Does 3500 mean there is no 3000 or 4000?

Also Precision 7680 (same story).  https://premiumstation.pl/search/laptopy-dell-precision-7680

[Aaron44126]

Apparently, I am behind on leaks.

RTX 2000, 3000, 3500, 4000, and 5000 Ada mobile GPUs are all listed on TechPowerUp.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/rtx-2000-mobile-ada-generation.c4093

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/rtx-3000-mobile-ada-generation.c4095

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/rtx-3500-mobile-ada-generation.c4098

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/rtx-4000-mobile-ada-generation.c4096

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/rtx-5000-mobile-ada-generation.c4097

 

RTX 2000 Ada ≈ GeForce 4050 mobile (but with more vRAM)

RTX 3000 Ada ≈ GeForce 4070 mobile

RTX 3500 Ada slots in between 4070 and 4080 mobile

RTX 4000 Ada ≈ GeForce 4080 mobile

RTX 5000 Ada ≈ GeForce 4090 mobile

 

(Disclosure: It has happened before that TechPowerUp posts leaked GPU specs that turn out to be wrong... but they're usually right.)

 

RTX 5000 Ada has an AD103 chip, the same as the one used in a desktop GeForce RTX 4080 GPU.  It has 9728 CUDA cores, which is about 19% more than RTX A5000 (Ampere).  Of course, with the "low" power limit of a laptop GPU, the high CUDA core count matters less.  Based on what we are seeing with the consumer/GeForce GPUs, I think that a 20-30% GPU performance boost from Ampere would be a reasonable expectation.  The boost will mostly come from the node shrink causing each CUDA core to need less power.

 

The node shrink is from "8nm" (Ampere) to "4nm" (Ada), but those numbers have no basis in reality at this point, I doubt that they have cut anything's size in half.

 

(The days of a 80%+ performance boost from one GPU generation to the next might be gone forever.)

 

AD103 supports up to 10240 CUDA cores, but there are no GPUs shipping with that configuration.  That does mean that there is potential for a mid-generation refresh (in 2024 Precision systems), but it wouldn't be tremendously significant.  I also doubt that we'll see them try to cram an AD102 chip into a laptop.

[SvenC]

On 2/28/2023 at 4:37 PM, Aaron44126 said:

Not a Precision announcement, but sort of related, since Precision 5000 and the XPS line tightly connected.  Dell XPS 15 and XPS 17 models with Intel 13th-gen CPUs and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4000-series GPUs will launch on March 2.  No changes to speak of other than the spec boost.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/28/23602572/dell-xps-15-17-laptop-intel-nvidia-launch-announcement

 

No XPS 18" - that indicates no 5000 Precision 18" as well - too bad - only Alienware m18 which makes no sense if you do not want a dGPU - maybe in 2024 with Meteor Lake and a new chassis generation - hope dies last...

[SuperCompute]

I spoke with Dell they confirmed 7680 would release by April 1st.

And confirmed it would of course have 13th gen Intel processor and latest Nvidia Ada graphics.

 

On a side note I would like to get a Samsung 980 pro (Heatsink) version.

Does anyone know if Samsung's Heatsink version will fit in a 7670 or 7680? 

 

I'm hoping there would be enough clearance. This would be for work and so I get one shot at ordering a m.2 drive hoping it could fit.

 

Any ideas?

 

 

[MyPC8MyBrain]

17 minutes ago, SuperCompute said:

Does anyone know if Samsung's Heatsink version will fit in a 7670

the 980 itself will fit, the heatsink wont fit,

a heatsink is unnecessary in the 7670 or 7770,

i don't think anyone here can speak of the 7x80 line compatibility yet. 

[Aaron44126]

7 hours ago, SuperCompute said:

I spoke with Dell they confirmed 7680 would release by April 1st.

 

Last year we got these "confirmed" dates from sales reps:

• May 10
• June 7
• June 16
• June 21
• June 23
• June 28

...The actual release date was July 7.  No rep actually dropped that date until July 5. So, just a heads up — take anything the reps say regarding the release date with a grain of salt.

 

Now, they were having supply/production difficulties last year which delayed the release.  Maybe they have that sorted out and it really will launch on April 1...?

 

[Edit]

April 1 is a Saturday, which doesn't make sense as a launch day.  Now, you said "by" April 1 so they could release before then.  Dell typically launches systems on Tuesday or Thursday.

 

7 hours ago, SuperCompute said:

On a side note I would like to get a Samsung 980 pro (Heatsink) version.

Does anyone know if Samsung's Heatsink version will fit in a 7670 or 7680?

 

It will definitely not fit.  Get the one without the heatsink.  You can use Dell's provided heatsink or get a 2mm aftermarket heatsink, that might fit.

[SuperCompute]

On 3/8/2023 at 6:04 AM, Aaron44126 said:

 

Last year we got these "confirmed" dates from sales reps:

• May 10
• June 7
• June 16
• June 21
• June 23
• June 28

...The actual release date was July 7.  No rep actually dropped that date until July 5. So, just a heads up — take anything the reps say regarding the release date with a grain of salt.

 

Now, they were having supply/production difficulties last year which delayed the release.  Maybe they have that sorted out and it really will launch on April 1...?

 

[Edit]

April 1 is a Saturday, which doesn't make sense as a launch day.  Now, you said "by" April 1 so they could release before then.  Dell typically launches systems on Tuesday or Thursday.

 

 

It will definitely not fit.  Get the one without the heatsink.  You can use Dell's provided heatsink or get a 2mm aftermarket heatsink, that might fit.

Thank you!!

 

In reply to other user comments I have a very reliable source from b2b relationships and he provided with some insight. April 1st is not a hard date but actually was told very end of March.

[yslalan]

On 2/28/2023 at 11:27 AM, Aaron44126 said:

 

Same here, 500 Server Error after logging in.  (Maybe they learned from last year.)

 

Though continuing the story of "What's going on with Precision 5000 series?"....

3000 and 7000 series spec sheets seem to exist as you noted (500 error), 5000 series spec sheets do not (404 error).

I found they made a link for Precision 5480 but no 5580 nor 5780. Did they cancel the 15 and 17 inch 5000s😭 https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/workstations/technical-support/precision-5480-spec-sheet.pdf

[Antonius]

This Precision will likely have just one giant trackpad like the 7770, without any click buttons, no? I ask because I use the buttons (left/middle/right click) on my 7760 a lot, and when the time to get a new workstation comes, I will buy from a brand that still makes physical click buttons before I buy a giant trackpad. I've tried Mac laptops with just trackpads at work before, and I really hated it, I'm not a gesture person (besides some scroll swiping), I use keyboard shortcuts.

[Aaron44126]

Precision 7680/7780 documentation page is live at the Dell Education site.

https://education.dellemc.com/content/emc/en-us/prm/home/product-details.html?id=cninv000000000663221

 

There's a page for the 7680 service manual, but not the 7780 as of now.

This page tends to be kind of slow and flaky compared to the regular Dell support site, at least for me.  You might have to wait a bit for the service manual to actually load.

 

There are views of the chassis in the service manual.  Best I can tell, the Precision 7670 and 7680 chassis are identical.

 

Here's the Precision 7680 cooler (dGPU version).  It's a little different than the 7670 cooler but they have not gone crazy and added a giant vapor chamber or anything.

 

[Edit]

Like last year, no ECC CAMM modules.  ECC configuration caps out at 64 GB.

dGPUs listed are: A1000, A2000 Ada, A3500 Ada, A4000 Ada, A5000 Ada, and GeForce RTX 4090.

Windows 10 support is still on the list.

Ethernet is still "only" gigabit.

[Aaron44126]

Precision 7670 GPU upgrade potential?  First, it has to fit.

 

Here we have a 7670 dGPU on the left and a 7680 dGPU on the right.

The 7680 dGPU is physically wider (left-to-right in the picture above), check the extra space to the left of the DGFF connectors.

 

I'm not sure if all Precision 7670 cards are the same size as the one pictured here, or if there is extra space to the left of the dGPU to allow a wider card to be installed ...?

 

[Edit]

The screw holes for the heatsink attachment are in different positions, but that may be expected in "thin" chassis vs. "performance" chassis dGPUs.  In any case, it's feasible that you could take both a Precision 7680 dGPU and heatsink and install them in a Precision 7670 — Precision 7X30 could be upgraded that way using Precision 7X40 parts.

 

[Edit 2]

It appears that this is a comparison between a thin chassis dGPU (left) and a performance chassis dGPU (right), so no good.

[MyPC8MyBrain]

30 minutes ago, Aaron44126 said:

First, it has to fit.

i think you have the wrong image for the 7670, dGpu footprint seems similar, its also the same dGpu and footprint in the 7770.

[Aaron44126]

The images that I posted are out of the Dell support manual for those systems.  I'm thinking that one is from a Precision 7670 "thin chassis" dGPU, which probably has the fans scooted over a bit to the right so the dGPU has less space.

 

From your photo, it does appear that the larger "performance chassis" dGPUs are the same size between the two systems, and the heatsink screw receptors seem to be in the same places as well.

 

The dGPU footprint between Precision 7670 and 7770 is not the same.  It is similar, but you will see that the 7770 dGPU cards are a bit larger with more/bigger VRMs, and heatsink mounting screws are not in the same place.

 

[Edit]

Actually, the Precision 7680 only has one set of dimensions listed.  Have they done away with the "thin chassis"?

[Aaron44126]

At GTC today, NVIDIA formally announced the new mobile workstation GPU lineup.  Here it is.

 

https://nvdam.widen.net/s/dmdqnnwcmk/proviz-mobile-linecard-update-2653183

 

 

Ridiculous mouthful names aside, it should be noted that A1000 is an Ampere GPU and not Ada, and also GeForce RTX 4090 should be the same specs as the RTX 5000 Ada GPU (minus ECC memory + professional-locked features).

 

[Edit]

Also noting that the 4000 ADA GPU has only 12 GB of vRAM, a step down from last generation's A4500.

 

[Edit 2]

A1000 6GB has different specs than A1000 4GB.  More CUDA cores, but narrower memory bus.

[yslalan]

4 hours ago, Aaron44126 said:

I'm thinking that one is from a Precision 7670 "thin chassis"

Yes, it's thin chassis, since the GPU board is only soldered with 4 vRAM - which means 128 bitwidth -> A1000-A2000.

[yslalan]

5 hours ago, Aaron44126 said:

There's a page for the 7680 service manual, but not the 7780 as of now.

https://prm.dell.com/prmPub/cninv000000000663221/fsm/7780/english/GUID-95C9AA07-168A-49D7-B0FD-77EE576FD542.html This is 7780, just need to change 1 character

[Aaron44126]

8 minutes ago, yslalan said:

https://prm.dell.com/prmPub/cninv000000000663221/fsm/7780/english/GUID-95C9AA07-168A-49D7-B0FD-77EE576FD542.html This is 7780, just need to change 1 character

 

Nice.

Poked through a bit.  No surprises.  Chassis is the same as 7770.  Heatsink/cooler is the same as 7770.  dGPU card looks to be laid out the same — I didn't have time just yet look extra close but if the screw positions and such are the same then upgrading a 7770 with a 7780 GPU might be possible.

[MyPC8MyBrain]

the 7870 layout looks the same as the 7770, i bet one could swap the board and components.
they kept the same exact thermal design and a 240w power supply. 

[Ionising_Radiation]

Damn. Still no 120 Hz display options for the 7680...

[Aaron44126]

Precision 7X80 support pages are live.

(Launch is imminent.  @SuperCompute is probably right about "by April 1".  It could be as soon as tomorrow.  Dell likes Tuesday/Thursday system launches.)

 

https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/precision-16-7680-laptop/overview

https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/precision-17-7780-laptop/overview

 

Also, Precision 3480, 3580, and 3581 support pages went live.  No 5000 series.

 

A little bit surprised at the abruptness of this launch because in the last few years, Dell has been pre-announcing these with press material a few weeks in advance.  I guess with just the CPU/GPU spec bump and no other changes, there isn't that much to hype up ...?

[Aaron44126]

New Precision 3000 & 7000 systems are live and available to order.

 

U.S. links:

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/workstations-isv-certified/precision-7680-workstation/spd/precision-16-7680-laptop/xctop7680usvp

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/workstations-isv-certified/precision-7780-workstation/spd/precision-17-7780-laptop/xctop7780usvp

 

@Dell-Mano_G

Are you available for some Q&A?