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  2. SuperMG
    Yes the CPU speed does give extra fps in heaven benchmark. Tested with multiple CPU configurations and overclocking helps a lot. I get max 160W on the CPU when I use ThrottleStop and TimeSpy bench I used thermal glue 2w/mk, the best one that sticks very well. Some videos on YouTube, people used that thermal glue on the edges + used some thermal paste in the middle of the heatpipe and it was effective for them. I wanted to use a copper plate to elevate the heatpipes since there are some tiny heatsinks on the right of the heatsink
  3. Kastner
    I do not think that it could go all core 4.9 since it would be about 220w+. If you run hwinfo64 you can monitor the mhz. I am pretty sure all of the heavan benchmark for gpu test only. If you monitor during test is it also benching/using cpu? Do not use copper plate, heat pipes are much more effective transfering heat. Also glueing is not the best solution you should solder it.
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  5. SuperMG
    Thanks. The heatpipe improved my TimeSpy score from 9.7/9.8k to 10.2/10.3k. so it does something. 4.9GHz all cores, -80mV I ran Heaven benchmark, it uses both CPU and GPU at the same time. GPU max temp was 80C and 88C in the hot spot. Got 390FPS in 1080p Ultra, no thermal throttle on the GPU. So can I just: use a 0.5mm thickness copper plate, glue it on the 3 CPU heatpipes and glue one straight heatpipe on top of the plate, all the way to the bottom GPU core side? I can improve my clocks if I do this.
  6. Kastner
    I assume it is working but it has a dramaticly lowered performance since these bend on the pipe surface and the physics how the heat pipes work. I use PL1 100W and PL2 120 W -100mV 4,7 all core. There is just a bit improvement in games for a lot of more heat if I use more. Here are two example for unlimited power and 120W. Here are the two benchmarks one for unlimited and one for 120W. Ulimited. PL1 100W PL2 120W Here is a cinebench results with unlimited and 120 W score. As you can see in unlimited thermal throttling is almost always on. It is completly normal since in the beginning it draws almost 180W and then throttling down around 140W. You can build your system for benchmark or you can build it for gaming. If you want better scores you need the heatpipe. If you want a cooler GPU then you do not need one. When both of your components starts working these benchmark results are not correct. CPU uses the GPU pipes and has more room to work. In gaming the CPU starts to heat the GPU sometimes resulting thermal throttling. I think a cooler GPU is better way to go. Of course this is only my opinion and it is based on my experience.
  7. JadeRover
    Agreed, this is probably not the right thread to dive into this but the most powerful clevos DTRs with an MXM slot really stretch the definition of being a laptop. I would say zbook 17 g5 and g6 are the best MXM laptops as they have 6 cores and 8 core cpu options and an all metal chassis. Though this is probably me having a liking to the quality of workstation laptops.
  8. SuperMG
    The heatpipe does work. I did the hot water test. What are your settings for 9900k? Core? Undervolt? PL? Can I just use one "red" heatpipe then? It'll improve in both cases (bench, gaming). I think one straight copper heatpipe at 10-12cm equals to 50W of heat.
  9. Kastner
    Your heat pipe is damaged as I see on the picture I think you should replace it. It does not matter witch orientation you use but it should not be any bent on the heatpipe since it blocking the flow. I think using the gpu heatsink for cpu cooling is only work fine in benchmarks. When gaming or when both cpu ang gpu working they will heat each other.
  10. Mr. Fox
    @Reciever I don't know if we're experiencing another DDoS attack or what, but the forum has performed miserably all day. Very laggy and sometimes unresponsive and inaccessible.
  11. Mr. Fox
    Brand new clear tubing looks fantastic. The problem is it doesn't stay looking brand new. EPDM is definitely the way to go. I think brand new clear tubing looks nicer but EPDM looks good and looks exactly the same whether it is new or old and I think it is considerably more durable. Plasticizers and degradation are a non-issue. I can tell you right now the silicon sample on the core side of things is better than my 4585PX and 9950X. The cores need less voltage for a manual overclock at any given core ratio. The memory controller is weaker than both of them. It requires looser timings to run 8000. Cinebench scores are lower and some things actually feel like they are slower at equivalent clock speeds. There is a small latency penalty with 3D v-cached CPUs and I think these flaws are all inherent to 3D v-cached Ryzen CPUs. I haven't done any gaming with it yet but I think I'm going to find that I gained nothing and probably lost a little ground in terms of overclocking capabilities. As far 9950X3D2 samples are concernrd, I think this one is probably better than average. I may find my opinion will change after I spend more time with it and find out what it likes and what it doesn't. I may not be doing what it likes yet. I absolutely do not like the 200 MHz lower PBO boost clock but if I can get the thing to do a substantially better manual overclock I might forgive that because I don't really like PBO anyway. I have already decided that the Core Ultra 270K Plus is better than anything AMD has for sale. It performs better than anything AMD sells right now and costs substantially less than AMD's closest equivalent product. I had to loosen tCL, tRCDWR/RD, tRP, tRAS and tRC to get it stable at 8000. It might do better with GDM enabled, but I don't really want to do that if I can help it.
  12. electrosoft
    I think I might go with EPDM. Doing a lot of research and googling on clear soft tubing and it looks like a discoloration and problem long term nightmare. EPDM seems more cost effective with better longevity and never having to worry about not if but when the clear tubing clouds. Plus you get the Borg effect.... Nice! Now we'll get to see how it truly stacks up against your other two samples. The TG Die Mate Heater does really seem to be the way to go. No need to rock back and forth or use the oven method isolating that direct heat right to the heatsink/sTIM primarily.
  13. Mr. Fox
    So, I used the Thermal Grizzly Intel socket 1851 Delid Die Mate heater that I used to delid my 270K Plus to delid my 9950X3D2. It worked flawlessly and effortlessly. It was more work threading dental floss behind the IHS "legs" to cut through the rubber glue pads than it was to delid. As soon as the heater hit 165°C and flashed ready I simply lifted the CPU off the IHS as if it were never attached. As an added bonus, most of the factory solder stays on the IHS so cleaning up the dies after delid is way lots easier. (Same was true for the 270K Plus. Very little solder left to clean off the dies.) I am going to do all delids this way from now on. Much better than working up a case of carpal tunnel moving the AM5 IHS back and forth 100 times until it falls off. Major thermal improvement (about 15-18°C) in Cinebench, exactly as expected.
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  15. SuperMG
    Which option is better for cooling? My GPU temps are extremely good in TimeSpy and I was able to get 20.1k with the RTX 4090 MXM. The problem is the CPU temps. Can I just: leave the "yellow" curved heatpipe or Remove the "yellow" heatpipe and add 2 10cm "red" heatpipes instead?
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  17. ssj92
    "best" is subjective for all these old laptops. X170 isn't even wired for MXM GPUs that don't use Clevo's power connector. P870 series is better than P775 series, I've owned and sold a few. But again that's my opinion. IMO "best" goes to the AW 2011-2013 lineup for MXM. [my personal opinion of course] It's unfortunate the xvsion laptops are not as impressive as we wished. So what's the best MXM gpu they ship them with , 5090?
  18. electrosoft
    Best Buy has officially raised prices on the two 5090s they have in stock. MSI 5090 Gaming is $4399.99 and the Astral black is $4829.99. Looks like that open box Astral 5090 you picked up @tps3443 is paying dividends! 🤑 Never imagined we would reach a point where even a mid to lower tier card like a 5090 gaming trio would be ~$4700 after tax at retail pricing..... Imagine ponying up $5149.97 after tax for an Astral now..... ----------- Full Nvidia stack price increases basically, but yeah....third increase this year.... https://www.techpowerup.com/351234/nvidia-rtx-50-series-gpus-could-see-another-20-30-price-hike-in-2026 I don't think we're going to make it out of 2026 without at least one more price increase at this rate and it is looking more and more like 2028 is the year of the 6000 series IMHO.... ---------- December 2025 article predicted $5k 5090s..... they weren't wrong.....they may have actually been a bit too conservative...we're just a month past the halfway point of this year with three price increases https://www.techpowerup.com/344578/leaks-predict-usd-5000-rtx-5090-gpus-in-2026-thanks-to-ai-industry-demand "If the publication's insider sources are correct, the NVIDIA RTX 5090, which launched at $1,999, will reach as high as $5,000 before the end of the year." ------------- If used 5090s start going for $5k by the holiday season......I don't know if I can turn down that $3k profit but I would fight it really hard! 🤣
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  20. Mr. Fox
    Amazon. Mayhems clear tubing is the best. They offer several different types with a good explanation of the differences. Alphacool clear tubing is also decent. All of the Corsair clear tubing I have used was not good. It kinked more easily in a sharp radius, was too soft and easily collapsed. The XSPC tubing I have purchased always had kind of a haze or cloudiness and blue tint to it. I would avoid the "UV" reactive type of clear tubing. Sometimes the off-brand Chinese offerings you see on Amazon are OK, but the dimensions can be off a bit and make the tubing too tight or too loose for the fittings, so I would avoid them since it is hit or miss on that. Performance-PCs is also a good source for Mayhems tubing when they have it in stock. I usually get it from Amazon faster and with free shipping. When I order from Performance-PCs it usually takes at least a week to get here. You are closer to them than I am. I can even the some logic in "if you see a great deal, SNAG IT NOW" even if you don't need it now. You might need it tomorrow and find it not available or so absurdly overpriced that you can't justify buying it even if you need it. If the prices keep going up and you don't need it you can sell it for a profit. Computer parts never used to be an "investment" and they should not be. But, it seems that they have worked out to be an appreciable commodity, at least during this time of extreme over-the-top retardedness in the tech space.
  21. electrosoft
    Yeah that initial VSOC out the door to get it stable baseline was the initial red flag to me but even locking it down at 6000 makes it viable for D2D use but is a kick in the pills. I would be curious to see why it was an open box return and wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason. We can't be the only tech enthusiasts who immediately enable the enhanced BIOS and go to town on it. 🙂 Funny thing is I never even considered them but I've used them in the past to get various hard to find CPUs and motherboards. Did the upgrade to LM from PTM yield meaningful results or was the cooling system a limitation? I could see LM at least helping with idle ramp ups and low load fan noise though. I am like you and prefer my laptops at QHD so hopefully a display swap is a possibility. That is really odd with the quality level tamped down to a 1 it still has an odd bit of lag even frame locked to ~119fps in GFE/NVCPL? Yeah I should really complete the puzzle as they say. What would be the best source for clear tubing? I would probably want clear coolant too to be honest. Scary, right? Here's a funny story fresh off the phone as to why you DON'T wait.... I just finished talking to a gaming buddy in Philly who I was helping spec out a system and he was complaining about the price of the Asus ProArt 5090 because he wants one due to the USB-C support and compact size for a moveable VRRig and I told him Microcenter had a few in stock for $3999.99. He counters with, "yeah, but it was launched at $3099.99" and????? I told him literally YESTERDAY he should grab the single one they had in stock because prices are going to go up ASAP "Nope, I'll wait." Well he just messaged me pissed off because MC JUST raised their prices on several 5090s and obviously ALL of Asus cards. Astral is now $4829.99 for black, $4929.99 for BTF and white and 5090 ProArt jumped from $3999.99 yesterday to $4499.99 today..... I literally tried to warn him less than 24hrs ago prices were going to get real loopy again. Now he's lowered his expectations and is looking at the 5080 ProArt and comes back ranting because it went from $1699.99 YESTERDAY to $1899.99 TODAY...... I told him suck it up or quite honestly get a Gigabyte or PNY Compact 5080 for $1199/$1299 RIGHT NOW and just run his rig externally powered with an injection cable because eventually all prices are going to jump.....I've known him for years and I know he's going to freeze up because he can't stomach the now prices and when they jump again kick himself again.... I mean, I am the "hardware guru" amongst my many gaming and personal friends and family and I've lost count how many times I've said, "buy now or buy in X years....." and they don't listen then lose their marbles because of the pricing....even back during both cryptobooms and now the AI boom. This is clearly translating into memory and now SSDs.... The sad thing is this is a litmus test for AIBs to get an idea of what the market can sustain and while I do think prices will fall eventually when this AI thing hits a wall either through collapse or saturation for many reasons, prices will only adjust down to the point inventory flows again to expected levels. If you need it NOW, buy it NOW. If you see a great deal, SNAG IT NOW. This goes for CPUs, GPUs, SSDs, Memory.
  22. SuperMG
    Hello does anyone make RTX 40XX MXM-B heatsink for the X170KM? (need to change the X-bracket offset) I want to know that before I buy one and replace the P775TM. @rainer124 @Maro97
  23. Papusan
    I see prices have exploded the last 4 days here home. 5090 start now at $4300 and upwards (MSRP). I have to pay $1600 more for my 5090 Astral than what I paid a few months ago. There is still no problem get 5090 cards but you have to pay a lot more for them. This is the real kicker from today's pricing here home... $1300 MSRP for Asus Prime 5070Ti. A real steal🤢 Then you have this... State of play: SSD pricing one year into the AI component crisis — 220% price increases are crippling the DIY market
  24. Hussain Alhadher
    I analyzed the crash dump with WinDbg. The system consistently crashes with DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE (0x9F). The blocked power IRP belongs to my Quadro RTX 3000 (PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1F76&SUBSYS_05AB1028), serviced by nvlddmkm. The GPU is otherwise completely stable under load, PCIe x16 Gen3 works correctly, and Code 43 sometimes appears. The issue appears only during power-state transitions (sleep/wake and occasionally during boot).
  25. SuperMG
    Hello. Indeed these have a MXM slot and a big heatsink with 3 big shared heatpipes. The max CPU is 13900HK. The motherboard looks very poor quality with only 1 NVME slot. All of the HDMI, USB-C and eDP outputs are routed from the iGPU and not the dGPU! That's so unfortunate... They are selling the laptop without RAM for 600€ with i5 13500H and MXM RTX 3050. I thought it was the best MXM laptop but no, the best ones are the P775TM and X170 series from now...
  26. beatitalyra
    beatitalyra joined the community
  27. ssj92
    depends. for SG mode yes you need unlocked bios which is available here on the forums for Dual PEG mode (supported GPU slot 1, rtx gpu slot 2) you don't. the unlocked bios is easy to install by using sleep bug.
  28. Mr. Fox
    AIOs have their place in budget builds and space-restricted builds like my A3 SFF, but nothing beats a custom loop. Just do it, bro. If you have everything there is no reason to settle for an AIO. Order a bottle of PrimoChill Liquid Utopia additive on Amazon and grab a gallon jug of distilled water from Walmart dirt cheap and you'll be set. I found a place to buy EPDM tubing in bulk. The stuff sold for PCs is grossly overpriced and a horrible value, not to mention that it is hard to find in the size that I prefer to run. You can get whatever size you need for about 50-60% less than the stuff sold for PC builds. (They probably buy it from suppliers like this and mark it up 300%.) This place also ships fast. I received my order the next day using their cheapest shipping option. (They are in CA.) You can literally buy 30 feet of it for the same or less than 10 feet of the stuff sold for PCs and it is virtually the identical product. (But, you only need to buy 10 feet and save 2/3 of the cost.) https://www.mcmaster.com/products/tubing/tubing-2~/?s=epdm+tubing Don't waste money on grossly overpriced "PC coolants" that are garbage. You're better off using automotive antifreeze (which works flawlessly and is superior to anything else, with the only downsize being the unattractive colors) rather than falling for the PC coolant gimmick. I used it for years and the only reason I am not still using today it is the color. I do not think it would look nice with an acrylic distro block and I prefer having it clear. There is never any corrosion, algae or loss of effectiveness with antifreeze, plus it is a pump lubricant and o-ring protectant. If you like blue or green colored coolant, then use antifreeze if you have it on hand already. EPDM can be difficult to tighten the compression collar on compared to clear tubing. Use two pairs of slip-joint pliers and wrap the jaws with three or four layers of cloth electrical tape or masking tape to avoid scratching the fittings if you run into that issue and it will make it easy to tighten (or remove) the compression fitting collar.
  29. electrosoft
    5090's drying up fast.... Newegg is down to Astrals and a PNY starting at $4300 shipped and sold Microcenter has single digits in stock of several 5090s starting at $3779.99 Best Buy is down to the black Astral for $4329.99 Nvidia knows who and what is buttering their bread atm.... Now we move to the lower tiers as reported by @Papusan.... The retailers know what's coming with massive price increases on the horizon, better to profiteer off old current stock and pricing while they prepare for delayed / lower orders from AIBs because of new pricing to average out net income and profits for the next few fiscal quarters. Smooth out that bottom line.... Like I said before, most of us are set and ready to go with hardware on our shelves for current and future projects. Both sides use the, "for the children" rhetoric to push through draconian measures or push their political agendas and it is always disgusting to see. It usually comes down to which way a person leans to determine one side's implementation as "good and just," and the other side, "bad and anti American," when more often than not it is two sides of the same coin.... USA is not alone in realizing the dangerous, addictive and counter productive properties of social media on young and undeveloped minds and the problems it introduces socially among peer constructs in the real world. We all know it starts at home, period. Bad parenting continues to get worse. We also know corporations have targeted kids for profits for centuries. Remember candy cigarettes and bubble gum chewing tobacco to prime kids for the real deal when they got older and purposely putting sugar cereals on the eye level of kids? Yeah , that's just the tip of the iceberg... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's the funny thing, awhile back, I did pick up a pump/res combo recommended by @Mr. Fox, I do have a spare generic 360 rad in a box and enough fittings to kit out a full loop I picked up over on OCN but I stalled on researching soft tubing, leak testers and coolant choices....lol I have a metric ton of space in this Phanteks Enthroo2 for a 420 top, front and 360 on the bottom.... but yeah...i hear ya.... Any plans to delid your 9950X3D2 or keep it lidded? Have you tried a static OC? I usually find that brings the heat and thermals to life on AM4/AM5 chips. The itch to run a TG AM5 or 1851 HS has been gnawing at me for several months now, so I bit the bullet with a 9850X3D for delidded operation. I plan to push a static OC for shiggles to see where it takes me cooling wise at that point. I think @Talon is running the Noctua AIO (not sure 360 or 420)....they are pricey but they have $100+ of Noctua top end fans on them out of the box...
  30. dude-137
    Thank you for sharing :-) Have a piece of the picture now Would it be possible to share the frequencies and undervolting your PC runs with?
  31. tps3443
    It’s time for custom loop with these rising AIO prices and as they become more and more premium in design! I have a single 480 GTR on this 9950X3D2, I’ve never even felt the air try to blow even remotely warm. Its such overkill .It’s pretty nice though. Funny thing is, this 480 GTR was a brand new one I had that fails leak test, but interestingly it doesn’t leak water at all. But seeing some of these newer AIO prices has me surprised.
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