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Going to try 10 ltsc iot 2021, with "grey" keys, on 2 laptops. Will report how it goes.

Thanks for answer.How hot did your 8850h work without undervolt and other operations?I mean who's cooling is better,Zbook or Precision (comparable models) ?

My guess is: Precision3000tower->ProMaxT2->Pro Precision 9 T2 Precision5000tower->Not updated last year in ProMax->Pro Precision 9 T4 Precision7/9000tower->Not updated last year in ProMax->Pro Precision 9 T6

According to the Korean website FAQ: LG has divided the PRO and normal Gram lineup based on screen sizes: 14 and 15 inch is Gram and 16, 17 is Gram Pro. I have posted the exact wording on post no.4 of this thread. Let us see if they stick with that or later launch the cheaper older body in 16 and 17 inchers to increase sales.

Yup. You may only need iGPU for gaming (sarcasm). You even get MFG from Intel iGPU. And yep, you get an (NPU) cpu in the package. Intel "Nova Lake" Xe3P iGPUs Could be 25% More Powerful Than Xe3 Models

its much simpler to answer this question from the other direction, when was the last time Microsoft did something right? the answer to that is simple, since XP. everything since has been an ongoing lame attempt after another in converting PC's as in personal computers into public money grabbing kiosks.

I think people that want or need to use AI will happily go to whatever web site they use, sign in and use it. When they are done, they will sign out and go do something else. The problem for Micro$lop is they want to force the Copilot AI into all aspects of the normal daily computing experience. Only really stupid people will be OK with that.

What are Microsoft doing wrong? Force it on the users? If people really wanted Copilot AI they could download it as an free optional app from their trash-store. Pretty much no one is using Microsoft's Copilot AI, report suggests The AI assistant trails behind Grok, Claude, and Perplexity in market share—at least as far as web usage goes.

What are Microsoft doing wrong? Pretty much no one is using Microsoft's Copilot AI, report suggests The AI assistant trails behind Grok, Claude, and Perplexity in market share—at least as far as web usage goes.

The prices will increase by 50% right? That's what I understood from the Korean video.. this is basically the first time since many years that they changed the laptop and not only some small improvements... Last year was Lunar lake/arrow lake which was a huge improvement, this year it's the rest. Speakers are much bigger too. Sad thing is the price will be outrageous at least for Intel models. I think the non pro sticks with old magnesium chassis right?

It's about 18" front to back, 14" left to right and about 19" tall not counting fittings. I'd say add another 3.5" just for good measure to account for the fittings if you use 90° fittings (obviously twice that much without the right angle fittings). It is not particularly loud. It is essentially a mini refrigerator or HVAC. It has an evaporator, compressor, condenser and fan. It's not quiet, but not obnoxious. No louder than your Nova fans. Probably similar loudness, but lower pitch sort of like a box fan on low fan speed. You know what your fridge or freezer sound like. Expect that in terms of how it sounds. It puts out lots of heat on the exhaust, so put the back blowing out a window or out of your office door. It goes without saying you do not want the hot exhaust blowing into the radiator, as that would defeat the purpose of using chilled water. I use a 5 gallon water tank wrapped in black foil insulation to normalize the water temperatures. It takes longer for 5 gallons to get cold but once it does the PC load while doing extended benching sessions doesn't really affect the water temperature that much. For benching do not use the radiator. It will heat the cold water and try to warm it to ambient. Just bypass it when benching. For gaming you can use the radiator and the chiller together since you do not need to try to keep the temps as close to freezing point as possible. It will be a LOT cooler with chilled water even with the radiator, but the radiator will hold you back in a notable way when benching. Yes, the Radeon hotspots are utterly insane. That is ultimately why I could not find any real love for the 6900 XT or the 9070 XT. Both were otherwise good GPUs, but the unfixable hotspot temps made it hard for me to like them. Even on chilled water the 6900 XT had totally asinine hotspot temps. Nothing I tried improved the hotspot temps on either of them in a meaningful way. AMD needs to find a way to address that engineering defect. Their product adoption rate would likely improve.

just measured some things... i can solder some passive heatsinks on the GPU n CPU cooler plate, height between 2-5mm, n in the secondary HDD bay will fit a 70*15mm blower fan, good on this is, no mods on the cassis itself needed, just couple hole on the bottom cover for the fan to get fresh intake n done, another really great thing is, bcs the bay is open straight to the direction of the cooler plates, they will get the whole fresh air, with some passive heatsinks on it, should be easy to cool down a 120W card + 57W CPU. will post any updates when done 🙂

In a peak,average is 70-75.And now i see not a throttling.

So I asked perplexity what a decent controller / sensor input could be for my set up and it spat me the aquatuning quadro. Are they any good? Looks like it has the right hook ups. Did some BF6 tonight this time setting the core clock to 3.1Ghz. Temperature with A/C off rose to about 32c which isn't surprising in a small room. A/C on at 70F brought it down to 28-29c. Since gaming loads are lower than synthetic I may be able to use 3.2Ghz as a daily clock,just bonkers Sadly with liquid metal I still have a bad delta for the Hotspot. Around 15c or so thus far. If it stays within 20c for benching then this should be fine I suppose. I feel like the Red Devil 7900 Xtx just let's me get away with a lot. Benched it with stock, modified stock, evc2se, chilled air, now on 1080mm rad. It's been a fun companion. I have some ideas for resolving some of that variance as most of the cold air goes above the rad. I might be able to elevate it and angle it but it would limit my TV's available radius. For the time being ill just build a shroud out of cardboard. The A/C is great for the rad but too chilly for me lol Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge with me, I wouldn't have been able to come up with this on my own. @Mr. Fox @Papusan @electrosoft @tps3443 Now it's almost time to start GPU benching, just gotta let the honeymoon effect wear off haha

Another trip to Microcenter and another haul..... Returned the Nitro+ 9070xt still sealed to Amazon and opted to pick up a Red Devil 9070xt from MC. The three most powerful 9070xt's are the Taichi, Nitro+ and Red Devil and only one of them uses 3x 8-pin PCIe. Red devil has the beefiest phase design. Taichi has the most powerful amps. Rolled back the wife's drivers to 25.9.1 on her Gaming 9070xt and all her AMD Timeout errors have disappeared....fix (or at least stop breaking) your drivers AMD. While I was there, I scooped up yet another open box 265k for $205 after MC discount and couldn't turn down trying an Asus Z890 AYW motherboard for $95 open box after MC discount. 265k still is eligible for the free Intel game give away so now I have two codes. @Talon this Apex Z890 is a first gen release model and it is very unstable at 8667 let alone 8800 even with a fan running on the memory whereas the Strix is rock solid at 8667. I do plan on retesting the Strix with a fan on the memory and I suspect the Strix is going to be equal or greater than this particular Apex even at 8800. Could be an early release dud with poor traces for higher memory stability. I will most likely be returning it next week unless something changes. Irony would be if the $95 Asus Z890 AYW was better than both..... 🤣

Can't beat going cheapo.

older script dont delete newer APOs drivers fine, and when reinstalling cause failure on nahimic working. i am seeing some registry differences, because driver is correctly deleted (at left, older APO driver, on the right newer one)

I saw it before and was a little curious about it truth be told lol Would you be able to share it's dimensions? Is it loud? If it's around the same noise of the radiator I wouldn't be against it, especially since I have another promotion seemingly lined up. I would also probably remove my homelab and place it with the unraid server. What can I say I wanted to go for gold on the Red Devil, I was able to take custom air pretty far on it but physics will eventually take over and iirc water can remove 6x kinetic energy compared to air. If I do go the chiller route, at that point probably just get the cpu in the loop too. I forgot to hook up the thermal sensor for the water loop, it's connected on the GPU block just need to hook it in.

You are indeed correct about the CPU not needing drivers, apologies as I was thinking about the chipset drivers. Thanks for the further clarifications as well.

You don't need drivers for a specific CPU. Dell doesn't offer any "CPU" drivers for the Precision M6800 (or any other system). The chipset drivers are there for other onboard components, not the CPU. Cache is managed by the CPU itself, not the OS/drivers. There's no issue running any "compatible" 4th-gen CPU in the M4800, other than the RAM slot limitation that has been mentioned recently.

As the 4980HQ is an unsupported CPU with no specific M6800 drivers, is the full performance and L4 cache actually able to be utilized? Are there any caveats such as having to run a specific version of Windows or Linux?

Has anyone received a Dell Pro Max 18 Plus with the door latch on the bottom cover? If not, Dell is being deceptive showing us the unit with the latch and not providing us with the latch on the bottom cover.

I despise crApple and refuse to allow them to have any space in my life. They are no better than Micro$lop... worse I think. Maybe the problem is that fact that you are choose "Copilot certified hardware" since Copilot sucks and so does the hardware (turdbooks) certified for it. I have not tested Premier but I have Adobe Acrobat and Photoshop (and Micro$lop Office) working on Linux using Winboat. I love Linux. It is my daily driver. I generally only use Windoze when I have to. I haven't liked Windows since Windows 7 (the last good version).

Do it. @Reciever you won't regret it. Here's mine... https://www.performance-pcs.com/products/hailea-ultra-titan-hc-500a-110v-1-2hp-790watt-cooling-capacity-waterchiller Buy it once and it will be compatible with all past and future platforms. An upgrade that endures the test of time... brand and generation agnostic.

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