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So... I downloaded the (previously) unlisted BIOS for the EON17-X (X170KM) from ORIGIN PC's website, and though it is supposed to be the exact same BIOS on my machine, I decided to flash the download onto my PC (just in case the BIOS on my computer had been modified or corrupted somehow), which I did under the EFI shell to avoid any potential complications from Windows processes running in the background. Of course, everything went smoothly, but as I said, it's supposed to be the same BIOS. And it's still the same as above. The logs indicate the system tried to download the new secure boot certificates, and it's the exact same status: I'm exactly where I was.

Radeon cards are better for frame gen. Lossless Scaling likes them more due to Radeon's higher floating point compute power vs their GeForce equivalents at all performance tiers, which is very important for frame gen performance. This also explains why Radeon cards perform significantly better with Minecraft shaders vs their GeForce equivalents. Both tasks are dependent on floating point performance. So the best setup for dual GPU in games is Radeon + Radeon if your games favor AMD GPUs, or Nvidia + Radeon if your games favor Nvidia GPUs. In either case, the optimal frame gen GPU is going to be a Radeon GPU.

Only thing 100% reliable about technology....it will eventually fail. Replacing PHC is not a super easy job....but should be doable. I have replaced IC's with hotair at home.

Interesting I’d say the heatsink isn’t quite as capable on the 16 it’s a slightly shrunken version of the heatsink/ fans on 18 inch chassis so maybe thermal limited? I never really looked that hard at GPU thermals or knew where NVIDIA sets the limits, just noted they generally way cooler than Intel CPUs that always push 100 degrees! My workload for testing also likely fluctuated load a bit as it was rendering either a large scene that would get split up into tiles or animation frames which means some small drops from 100% load as it loads the next bit of scene/ frame But I think it’s still a realistic real world GPU compute task, I see similar for GPU accelerated simulation too it’s never a perfect 100% load constantly. i also observed slightly lower sustained CPU power on the pro max 16 plus, not a huge real world performance difference in performance but ~ 5W less sustained power IIRC. This was all early days before we put the systems on our domain, can’t run any tools that aren’t on our allowed software list now!

Thanks for the nice write up bro Elektro🙂 Edit... plant based way of eating and limiting meat to 1-2 a week ### No way I can handle this. 55 years of eating meat in most meals and you see where I go. I try to eat healthier meat. With little or almost zero fat. I never eat/use special sauces, or unhealthy dressings. Mostly pure food of good meat. Sample for on the bread. + here. And of course lots of chicken. + lots of healthy bread. Me eat plants... Hell freeze first. If you play long enough with the fire......

I have a bunch of alts with each profession + engineering (for wormhole toys / etc). I did not really want another 16 incher either, despite Eluktronics offering the Hydroc G2 with 9955HX3D + 5090. This Raider was a higher price as it is being sold for $3299 only at Best Buy (not Newegg, MSI direct or other usual resellers). So far it has been behaving better than the older model. The balanced profile has very good fan noise. It only does sustained 55W CPU + 115W GPU. For higher performance I have a custom profile with all points set to 55% because otherwise the fans just constantly ramp up and down. The RGB controller at some point reverted to the rainbow puke effect on boot, so I ended up having to install Steelseries GG. For a while it was just static red on all zones without any control software which was really nice. This time around I am running W11 Enterprise LTSC IoT which has been great. Sadly the OEM Hynix A-die memory is PMIC locked so no VDD/VDDQ beyond 1.1v. The 5080M has been plenty for WoW at QHD. I would just need to sell the other 5090 laptops as the Raider A18 can replace the function of the Hydroc G2 and Legion 9i G10 both. It is only a loss of battery life which is not a major concern for me.

I ended up adding fishing, mining and enchanting to the wife's toon to, ah, "enhance" her WoW experience. 🤣 She actually likes it and it is a steady stream of mats. I do mining and blacksmithing for the weapons and armor. Alt does jewelcrafting and engineering. I ended up returning the Asus because I just can't do 16" displays. 18"+ and I'd prefer a 20"+ behemoth if possible. It was also very buggy in Asus fashion but that 9955HX3D was beast just like the 7950HX3D in that MSI for WoW and especially Fallout 76. Are you going to keep the MSI Raider? It sounds like it is holding it down and then some. How is the noise overall vs the older X3D/4090? I know those fans were hard to tame vs Intel. I swear that stupid Aorus Extreme WB 5090 was the most unicorn of cards in the US. While not always, the higher voltage cards usually rise to the top all things considered equal. Just like the 5090s, that trickles down to the 5080s especially since you can run the 450w BIOS and give it a nice bit of headroom. Was the original used Zotac opened up / repadded from the original user? I used the NVCPL for years, switched to their new app last year then switched back. Didn't hate it, but it served no purpose for my needs at the time but I'll move to it as ordered by the Galactic Empire.... Crapping on the Vanguard is crapping on the Suprim too lol.... +1 PCIE fuse ~0 no 12vfail fuse (this one is a personal preference of his) -1 MSI locking down schematic leaks (this would be a bad move) -1 buck converter choice (I'm going to assume) I am unsure why the original owner didn't send it in for Warranty repair to MSI directly. It has a 3yr warranty and the warranty transfers...... "There is no best brand. All these brands are screwing up one way or the other...." - Tony. Extreme to suggest lifting your core/memory and transplanting it to another PCB. I wouldn't worry about anything (if even valid) till the warranty is expired and there is a good chance we will all have moved on to 6090's by then.....in theory 🤣 Yeah, very bad lifestyle choices there @Papusan. I'm a lifelong non smoker, so I can't begin to understand the addiction portion, but I've seen every single one of my siblings (all 7 of them), both parents, both granddads, father in law and even my own daughter struggle with kicking the habit or not kicking it at all so I understand. The quickest way to start healing your body and greatly reduce your stroke risk is to go vegan, eliminate added sugar, stop smoking and limit yourself to 1-2 drinks a day. That of course is the macro outlook of the problem and it is easier said than done. Every time you smoke, even vape, that nicotine causes micro aggressions on your vascular system with violent restrictions of your vessels along with a host of other issues. 36 a day? No way to quick cold turkey, but mixing in nicotine gum/patch and timing out your smoking sessions to twice their interval is the best start. Sugar and heavy meat diet raises your triglycerides and overall cholesterol. I'll assume you don't have any diabetic or pre-diabetic conditions. If you do, it is even worse from both sources. To a much lesser extent but in the here and now, coffee/caffeine also has to be monitored and lessened. As someone who struggled with high blood pressure, the quickest way I brought it down was switching primarily to a plant based way of eating and limiting meat to 1-2 a week. I LOVE my meat, but if I keep eating it, no matter what I do or the quality of the source, my blood pressure will slowly creep back up. The worse quality, especially beef and pork, the quicker it will return. I get a bit more leeway if I stick to fish. Your body has been redlining for quite some time. Every step you take to treat it better will be a breath of fresh air to it in so many ways. 💙

ZALMAN Launches ZM-STC11 Thermal Paste With 18 W/m·K Conductivity Published 8 hours ago by Hilbert Hagedoorn 0 ZALMAN has introduced a new high-performance thermal interface material called the ZM-STC11, expanding its cooling product lineup with a silicone-based thermal paste designed for desktop processors, workstation systems, and general PC cooling applications. The company positions the new compound toward users looking for improved thermal transfer efficiency, long operational lifespan, and easier application characteristics. The ZM-STC11 uses a formulation based on dimethylpolysiloxane combined with zinc oxide and aluminum oxide. According to ZALMAN, the compound delivers a thermal conductivity rating of 18 W/m·K, placing it within the higher-performance category of commercially available thermal interface materials for enthusiast and professional desktop systems. In addition to conductivity, the company is emphasizing viscosity optimization. The thermal compound is specified at 2.6 g/cm³, which ZALMAN describes as an ideal balance between spreadability and long-term contact consistency. Thermal paste viscosity plays an important role in maintaining proper contact between the processor heat spreader and cooler surface, particularly during extended thermal cycling and sustained high-load operation.

Done! According to the repair shop diagnostics, the faulty component that needs to be replaced is the Platform Controller Hub (PCH) chip. Any idea what this chip is? What is it, how should it look like, why could it permanently fail? Yeah, should consider getting one in the future. 😊

Thanks for asking bro Fox. And huge thanks. I'm taking it one day at a time. Now I'm trying to reduce my cigar/cigarillo consumption. I may have halved my consumption from around 36. But it's still way too high even with vaping. I have started vaping with low nicotine levels. I'm also trying to reduce or better said change my (food)lifestyle. Eat more healthy food to try lower the blood pressure/cholesterol. It's way above recommended. This on top of medicines I take for it. There is some big changes so I don't know if everything is feasible/doable. It's now 14 days since I had a stroke, so it will take time. The question is whether I can achieve my goals. It's too early to say. But I'll try.... So small steps each day. But it's hard. Very hard to change how you have lived the last +30 years. Big changes at +60 is hard 🙂

How are things going Brother @Papusan? This song is for you, bro. Listen to and read the words.

Absolute rubbish from the dell support. These systems and docks were released well after Dell stopped selling systems with windows 10. We use these for 50+ engineers on pro max plus 16 &18 on windows 11 without issue had some teething problems intially but no complaints for a few months

What a bad joke is that?! We replaced a few older Docks with SD25TB5 for some colleagues and I was able to test one, just to check if displays, network and power supply works. Had no problems with Windows 11 Insider Beta channel (build 26220), but I was just using it for an hour or so. Kept my WD19DC which works OK with my MB18250. On rare occasions I get the boot message that the power supply is not sufficient. Had to unplug, power off the dock and retry. But other than that it works. Might be due to my system not having a dGPU, which needs less power.

That absolutely sucks. Unforgivable. The only end users they are treating right is RTX 6000 owners. Bastards. I wonder how long it will continue to be available from the Micro$lop Store Whores? This also sucks...

Cool, you also have the EON17-X, but I don't see which BIOS you have... maybe your version is different from mine? I'm also running Windows 11 Pro, 25H2. You do have a different GPU (mine is a RTX 3080), and a different CPU (I can't quite see the SKU, but yours is a i7-117XX, whereas I have a i9-11900K), EDIT: you also have less RAM, 64GB, whereas I have 128GB, so it's a different configuration. And by the way, I have been in contact with Origin PC, and it's quite a coincidence that they FINALLY have the corresponding (latest released by Origin PC) BIOS and EC firmware under the EON17-X (X170KM) model. They DIDN'T before, so perhaps my cries for help served some purpose. But in any case, they recommended "reaching out to Eurocom directly to confirm whether a BIOS/UEFI firmware update is available for your laptop and whether it would help resolve this specific Secure Boot certificate update warning", and pointed me to their "support/upgrade" webpage. They sent me to a different company/webpage, which has no solution posted. So, NO HELP AT ALL, really. I don't know why the firmware in my PC is not accepting the new Secure Boot certificates, and I don't know why yours updated without a problem. As I said, maybe you have a different (perhaps older) BIOS, or there's something else in your firmware that makes your system different from mine. At least I see that it shouldn't be a problem in principle with the EON17-X. Could you check your version of the BIOS? The one in my computer is 1.07.08TOPC, which is the latest released by Origin PC.

Today Dell told me that Dell Pro Max 18 Plus is not compatible with SD25TB5 unless downgraded to Windows 10 (they really told me that). Before they did I had my motherboard replaced, gpu replaced and then whole unit replaced. There was couple of weeks when hybrid mode worked with dock but now itd don't (on both units). Does anyone of you use this pair of hardware together with success?

Unlucky for you. Didn't know about this. Might need to modify chassis

On the GT60, the MXM slot is located at the edge of the chassis, preventing larger cards from fitting. The depth is also a tight fit, down to the millimeter, because of the entire mSATA card assembly. It's not a matter of the GPU's orientation; it's simply a matter of the MXM connector's placement, with a reserved space that's precisely sized for the MXM B 3.0 standard. If the card is too wide, it will be blocked by the chassis; if it's too deep, it won't fit because of the mSATA RAID card.

Sadly the day has come. Bloated apps everywhere. Real minimalist software is dying. You like the direction we head into bro @Mr. Fox🤔 NVIDIA Control Panel is officially retiring after 20 years for GeForce users

Then how did I make them fit? By the way HP cards are eDP friendly, you don't need to get the backlight mod v2 cable because the AETINA, ADLINK and PNY ones need that cable in order to display in the eDP screen.

Sliderfra told me that HP cards don’t fit in the GT60. Apparently, HP Quadro RTX 3000 cards simply cannot fit inside.

You are right, it's a 115W TGP card with the Dynamic boost to 175W. Same for MB16250 and MB18250. I still don't understand this. I have compared vBIOS from 16inch and 18inch, they are identical in binary. Also, the card is switchable between the two devices. It seems that the logic of the EC may limit the draining of power.

I was able to fit them on 3 laptops. It's like the RTX 4070, needs small modifications since the core is like 0.4mm to the right.

It seems that HP cards can cause issues on the GT60. They’re slightly wider and apparently don’t fit properly in the chassis. That’s what I’ve been told, but I’ve never checked it myself.