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He should see more than 5°C decrease, even with the Thermal Grizzy performance IHS. I am using that with the AIO on the B850MPOWER now and it is very close to the same as bare die, which was at least 15°C reduction. I have not watched the video yet (will later) but if he is not using liquid metal maybe that is why he only saw 5°C? Edit: I jumped in and skipped to the thermal interface application. He did use liquid metal. Hmm. Maybe his application is not ideal.

Probably not. I still like it a lot. I might put it in a Lian Li A3 or B4 and leave it connected to the living room TV if Mrs. Fox will put up with it. If I change my mind you will be the first to know. I certainly do not "need" it, but I technically don't "need" any of them, LOL. Maybe I can sneakily get Mrs. Fox addicted to it with a cute case that doesn't wreck her tasteful decor. It is about the same distance... 45-60 minutes depending on traffic (time of day/congestion) and how fast I can drive without standing out as a problem based on the flow of other traffic (which means everyone is doing 85 in a 65 MPH zone, LOL). I'm able to get to 8800 MT/s so far. 9000 seem elusive, but I hear that it takes a golden IMC to do 9000+ (Not sure it is true, but it's the excuse I am hearing if it is not a fact.) I cannot get it to boot with either of the two XMP (8800 and 9466) profiles on the CUDIMMs but I will have to research to see if that is noob user error or I have just hit the limit with the IMC. I might have to do something something in the BIOS to enable the memory clock driver. Just setting the XMP doesn't get it done. https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/aida64_-_memory_read/submissions/6043524

Looking good! At least now you can "run to" your local Microcenter. How far is it exactly from you? I know mine is ~55 min away for the closest one. Uh oh, looks like the B850MPOWER + 9950X are in the potential "jettison" position of the line up now. 🙂 Let me know if you're going to sell off the B850MPOWER in the not so distant future and how much. That's a good and fitting picture of ya spelunking in the Bios @tps3443! ---------------------------------------------------------- Definitely picking up one of these. I'm still rocking a gen 1: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Skip through the slow parts (~7hr stream), but a Solid 9850X3D delid video using TG delid tool along with using a TG AM5 Heatspreader testing.... Not a fan of his data comparative approach. He notes a ~5c decrease in temps lidded vs delidded but I'm not sure why he didn't have profiles saved to use before and after nor not realizing that as soon as you pull / swap your CPU on first detect it will always reset your BIOS to stock. Also not sure why he didn't run CB24 before to get a good baseline of data and some game data to compare after but still informational for the actual delid process and heatspreader usage. Plus he's actually a funny guy. 🙂

It can work in M18xR2 in SG mode but not PEG. Might need to check heatsink. In M17xR3, do you have 120hz 3D panel or LVDS 60hz panel? Don't know if you saw my new custom bios but I got P5000 & RTX 4000 working in M17xR3 using eDP 3D 120hz panel.

It's useful to see the gpu & cpu scores

The memory has no XMP profile.

Bigger the better bro @Mr. Fox?😀 Microsoft confirms bug Windows 11 can grow by up to 500 GB due to errors. Microsoft has confirmed a bug in Windows 11 that can cause up to several hundred gigabytes of disk space to be used on the system partition.

0xA65 = 01 ( costum profile on) Set the memory timings according to the screenshot I sent. The BIOS must be version 1.9.3 or earlier, otherwise the BIOS applies stricter timing restrictions. I’m using BIOS version 1.7.3. On newer BIOS versions, memory timing adjustments are much more limited, so you should use an older BIOS version to apply these timing changes.

If you lower the timings—for example, to CL19 or CL18—at 2933 MHz, you’ll get better performance than 3200 MHz running at CL22. To run the memory at 3200 MHz, you need to enable XMP.

If you lower the timings—for example, to CL19 or CL18—at 2933 MHz, you’ll get better performance than 3200 MHz running at CL22. Set the memory timings according to the screenshot I sent. The BIOS must be version 1.9.3 or earlier, otherwise the BIOS applies stricter timing restrictions. I’m using BIOS version 1.7.3. On newer BIOS versions, memory timing adjustments are much more limited, so you should use an older BIOS version to apply these timing changes. 0XA65 → 01 custom profile

Getting 1,000+ FPS is something I have never experienced before. Below is Ark Ascended doing just that on all low settings and 1080P. 6000c26 with 65k tREFI, all tuned to the max with 2167fclk. My son took a picture of me with my phone while I was in the bios breaking things (So posting it here! lol. 😂 )

Came across this on Ebay, https://www.ebay.com/itm/377209635360?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110028%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.EXPLORE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20240513110749%26meid%3De2e2763136384901b03eb3c00fca4019%26pid%3D102140%26rk%3D10%26rkt%3D24%26itm%3D377209635360%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D3959035%26algv%3DExploreForYouSavedFeedV1%26brand%3DNVIDIA%26fpg%3D0&_trksid=p3959035.c102140.m167418. There is a P1000 version from that same seller. Both cards look relatively the same. Think these could work in an m18x/r2 or m17x r4/r3? I have an r3 that has a AMD in it that i want to replace but idk if these would work in that or any of these machines. I have seen p2000ms before but they looked much shorter than these.

Sorry for my late reply. I have no way to test with those but I used an older free version but idk if it means anything lol:

Hey, @Hyper, could you share your temps? In idle and load, and CPU wattage (if you use ThottleStop). I'm currently also using TPFanCtrl2 by FanDjango to keep it a bit quieter. Also would be interested if someone made undervolting possible. I'm also using it with DGPU to display, because when on IGPU and idle, the NVIDIA stays in P0 Powerstate and draws 20W. I used PTM 7950 on it and still gets pretty warm even on idle when staying on te ground (60-70 degrees on idle - but drawing around 20W - limited to 24 in ThottleStop). The moment I lift it up a bit, temps go really down, like 50s. I changed the PTM twice and pressed the heatsink on it, also tightening the screws to make sure it has good contact. I added a Samsung 990 Pro and a Crucial P310 drives, and they sit at aroung 63 and 59+ temps. I think there is something wrong or early stage with their power drivers, as I applied the same PTM on my G3 Zbook and in about 2 months I saw big results, like it sits in 39 degrees in full summer on idle (but with 6-7W CPU power and 140mV undervolt). I stay up to date with BIOS and drivers via Lenovo Vantage and Windows updates (althogh it's 23H2, because 25H1 seemed very buggy)

@tps3443 If you're looking to get a known, good IMC on the 9950X3D2 over on OCN $850 USD but ships from Aus: https://www.overclock.net/threads/9950x3d2-great-imc.1819789/?post_id=29597168#post-29597168

I wish memory was not so retarded expensive. It could easily be your IMC is weak, and it could also be you memory kit isn't playing nice with ASUS firmware. It's too expensive to experiment at this point. Even if it is your memory, getting the right SKU for best results will be ridiculously and unjustifiably expensive, and sometimes very difficult to find at any price. If you lived nearby I would drop my G.SKILL 6000 CL26 EXPO kit into your Hero so you could see how it does. ASUS has some kind of goofy love affair going with G.SKILL and all of their AMD firmware development seems to be focused on making two G.SKILL memory kits sing. It's really annoying. My MSI and Gigabyte AMD motherboards have all performed well with other brands of memory and were less finicky because they haven't invested all of their time and energy in making one or two part numbers work best. I have G.SKILL 8000 CL38 XMP memory that worked fantastic in the Z790 Apex/Apex Encore and it doesn't even like to boot correctly. It was very difficult to get it tuned to run stable at any speed (including 6000). I had to jack around with all kinds of ODT and voltage resistance settings that can normally be left on Auto. That is when I gave up and bought the magic G.SKILL 6000 CL26 sticks before RAM prices turned to crap.

Well I’m only running DDR5 6000c26 daily, so I don’t have to push high VDD’s like that. But yeah 7600c38 32k trefi needed like 1.700v when I was messing with it yesterday. 1.650 doesn’t work. This gave me the feeling that IMC is weak.

There is a penalty for the CCDs just as there is for Intel with P/E cores and now their chiplet nonsense. Monolithic processor design is MUCH better. I'm not sure what gave you the impression that you are needing to give it "too much" VDD/VDDQ. Literally everyone that I know one is using VDD and VDDQ of 1.600V or higher if they are pushing high clocks. AMD will not function correctly with low VDDQ like 13th and 14th Gen Intel did. You'll need to have VDD and VDDQ either the same or VDDQ almost the same. You might get away with 50mV less for VDDQ but MSI and Gigabyte AMD motherboards set them equal by default. You have to literally manually make them different values. When you set VDD they automatically sync them. You also need to be using at least 1.475V for VDDIO (MC voltage). You can match all three without any harm. Many AMD overclockers are using 1.550V-1.600 for VDDIO as well. If I leave mine on "Auto" it goes to 1.475V and works fine. If I try to dial back the VDDIO I have instant issues. You should be able to run LOW VSOC, like 1.175V. This is the equivalent of Intel System Agent. I am running 1.600V VDD and 1.550V VDDQ at 8000 and 1.650V VDD and 1.600V VDDQ at 8200 and 1.175V SOC for both of my AMD platforms. Running less makes them unstable. Increasing VSOC does nothing. The hardest part of the adjustment to AMD for me was having to deliberately set aside my knowledge from Intel overclocking because it was really messing things up and making it impossible for me to get any overclock stable. What works for one seldom works for the other. AMD is also funny on CPU core voltage. If you are stingy with it you might not see BSOD and the normal tell-tale signs you do with Intel, it will seem stable but performance will drop like a rock. Cinebench scores will go down. If you go too far you will see the same behavior as Intel with crashing, but AMD is weird and I suspect a lot of people are living with lackluster Ryzen performance from trying to undervolt the CPU too much.

Seeing how well ram tuning posting and stability responds to adding memory voltage, I am definitely pointing to a weak IMC. It’s like 6000c26 boots fine with auto 11K tREFI with 1.435v VDD. EASY EASY. 32K tREFI? It won’t attempt to post, adding 32k tREFI puts a much heavier load on IMC, but adding voltage to VDD. Quick and easy bump up to 1.450v VDD gets it done! 65k tREFI fully tuned timings? Similar situation. I need 1.480v VDD. Probably can get away with 1.460vdd. But it’s all too familiar! And it put me right back in the seat of tuning on Intel with DDR5. Weak IMC’s loves high or too much VDD/ VDDQ. And that’s my system to a T lol. 😂 @Mr. Fox I’m going to swap it out for another. I’d like 2,200FCLK AS WELL. I’ll see how the next one runs. It’s a BEAST in games doing one thing at a time producing a high FPS though. That’s its main benefit. It’s not as fast as my Xeon doing brute work handling multiple things at a time. Like leaving a game minimized and doing other things simultaneously etc. it’s just not as fluid as my 28/56 Xeon 3175x is. That could be partly due to lower bandwidth, maybe higher latency, or merely due to being two CCD’s? Either way. Gaming performance is great! And that’s what I wanted to see.

After buying an x170sm-g and now needing parts for it any not being able to upgrade to an RTX580 or 90, I am done with Cleveo. I reverted back to one of the i7 laptops I have from 2012 that still has replacable parts. I am going to try and hold out on a new performance laptop , I really don't know how they can be called performance laptops with mobile CPU and a max 55w CPU. Tablets will be more powerful than that eventually. Since computers are just money dumps with worse depreciation than a car. I am not going to upgrade till PCI-6.x , DDR6 and 128gb or 256gb so-dimms come out. No more over priced paper weights with BGA. Maybe they will come with 17 or 18 inch OLED 8K 240Hz screens then too. Who knows. So I guess that will be around 2028-2030 so 2-4 years out.

I need a donor X170-SM-G for parts to repair mine, not looking for a working one, just a cheap parts machine. I don't want to pay Eurocom $25 each for 4 sets of screws and $50 shipping to the US and any other parts I might need so I am looking for a dead parts machine if anyone has one sitting around or knows of any. I only saw KM-G's on ebay and alot of those parts are slightly different than the SM-G.

I have heard several people with 9950X3D2 complaining about memory overclocking being limited by a weak IMC. Whether that is relevant I can't say, just mentioning it as a potential common complaint. Your CPU might not be below average for a 9950X3D2.

Had to make a place for the Z890 Apex. X870E Apex is now installed in the O11D Mini V2 with the 4585PX and 5080. Getting it to fit was a HUGE pain in the butt. Never buy a distro block with the pump facing the inside of the chassis. Big mistake. I have the Alphacool reservior shoved tight against the roof of the case and the 5080 still touches it. With the reservoir against the floor the GPU will not fit. Always choose one with the pump that is in the closed in area behind the mobo tray. (That will also allow you to run the system laying on its back. You can't do that if the pump is pointed up toward the ceiling.) Now that it fits, it looks great. I love this case for mATX/ITX. For ATX it's not ideal unless you love having to spend a lot of time figuring out how to make things fit. (I don't enjoy that. I also hate puzzles.) The Z890 Apex is in the O11D XL EVO with the 5090. It was super easy because all of the connects and mobo layout on the Z890 Apex is the same as the X870E Apex. I only had to modify the two lines going to the CPU block because the orientation of the ports on the block was different than the Thermal Grizzy Mycro direct die block. Speaking of waterblock, I was going to use one of my Optimus Foundation blocks. The silver looks perfect with the white and silver on the mobo. I could not use it. CPU would overheat SEVERELY for some reason (109°C doing CPU-Z stress test). I disassembled it and found it spotless on the inside. Not sure why. Had to run to Microcenter this moring and grab an Alphacool Core 1 block. Now it works amazing. Almost don't need to delid now, but still will. Because I can, and it will be much better. Not because it is unavoidable due to stupid temps. It runs as cool as the bare die Ryzen 9 processors. The B850MPOWER is now on the open bench with the 9950X and 3070.