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nope, the M2200 is GM206 n 965M is GM204

this is aimed for creators, most of us hooligans get all the above for free as is.

Is the m2000m/m2200m which I think is the quadro equivalent of gtx 965m (correct me if I’m wrong) I had the no-post with my 965m card, suspected wrong vbios so no boot, didn’t even get the “enter bios” or hp logo displayed. so your not alone with the issues with the 8570w playing nice with cards. that said, guys on here have put 980m amongst other cards with a truckload of fettling and an 8770w heatsink. As I plan to run a 980m KBX very kindly did an image of his vbios, so we have a proven working 980m/8570w i think the best card we can throw in on a “normal screen” 8570w is a 1060m/980m (requires heatsink mod) if we exclude guitarg’s awesome work. That is in a different league

So cool! (If it works, of course!)

Simple online search shows a few options but might need to buy the 2080 cooling setup. I have the external graphics amplifier working on the Area 51m with good results.

finally arrived: palmrest n 2x4GB 2133(2x4GB still on da way) arrived too... maybe will put tomo all together 🙂

Hello again, For future generations, if anyone has a similar performance issue, I've found the cause. After installing a CPU, I must have broken a pin in the CPU socket. I didn't notice it. All GPU and CPU benchmarks, in separate tests, seemed fine. The R23 showed >15,000 points. The GPU drew 140-165W during benchmarks. The only issue seemed to be a drop in performance with 3dmark Timespy and in some games. The only thing I didn't check first was the PCI-E bandwith. It turned out that the PCI-E only worked at x1 3.0, not x16 3.0 as it should.The cause turned out to be a broken pin in the CPU socket in the PCIe lanes group. The lack of connection caused the system to go into safe mode, so it would only run at x1 3.0. The laptop works, but significantly worse. A few screenshots below for documentation.Now I need to find someone to solder a pin for me from another identical socket. Wish me luck and take care of your pins.

My tests of the HP Fury G1i range showed they had significantly lower CPU/ GPU power limits that throttled performance much quicker and the fan noise was incredibly loud in comparison. Pro max range is clearly not without its teething troubles but for us it’s certainly the best balance of performance, fan noise. Alot more effort has gone into the cooling solution vs HP in my opinion and that’s important if you work in an office with colleagues or don’t want earbuds in all day just to block out the noise of the HP under heavy load!

Hello, Did you replace these screws? If so, could you tell me exactly what kind of screws they are and do you know where I could buy them?

What is the alternative for competitive play to make sure you can watch every level of the hardware? Each time game companies up their watchdog/guardian programs, hackers and mod makers figure out a way around it. It has been escalating till the final solution is to monitor every nuance of the hardware as the final solution and now mod makers and cheaters have met their match. The only way around this, and it has been attempted, is post level compromised systems that can get in there to subvert the tpm / secure boot mechanism. On the other hand, making two distinct forks could and should be the way to go with one targeting single player mode but even then that has to be worth the effort for the game makers as again the real money is made from multiplayer and long term sustainability and monetization. If there was a financially large enough compelling reason to offer a single player version of the game devoid of big brother being knee deep, they would do it but I suspect that single player only audience is very small. Surfing various gaming forums and reddits, there is low to no outrage to this because it restores the integrity of the game not because they're sheeple lol. As a player, I would definitely set up two individual installs of Windows which I've done in the past for other reasons with one targeting game play only and the other for personal use. I'm with you. I don't want a game company having access to every level of my hardware. Good unboxing and nice overview.... Couldn't use OLED due to heat, but I don't like the USB display interface but that's just me. Thing runs so cool including the memory, wicked.... You can sign into your MSI account RIGHT NOW!!111 and enter the raffle for the right to spend ~$5500 after taxes to get 3-10% more performance over your existing 5090 while sucking down insane power.....

Ok, that is slick.....real slick.

I forgot to mention the cheapo screen they plastered on the GPU. But I expect it's difficult to make everything top notch within the price target/advertising budget. They could have made it even better when you know the card is a limited Edition and made mostly to promote MSI. They won't make huge profits from only 1300 cards where they give away 50-100 of them. Promoting Cost Money, then do it properly when you first are at it. Get back some of the costs is probably the icing on the cake. And probably the reason for some of the cost savings. This gen Lightning isn't like in the old days where they produced more of the Flagship cards. If you wanted a card, you could get one.

That only partially makes sense and doesn't explain why they are going full Nazi retard and forcing such draconian anti-cheat blocks on single-player campaign. I honestly think it is as much a social engineering experiment to see how all of the zombie gamer sheeple react to being told how things are going to happen and driven by nefarious intentions as much or more than the surface-level appearance of an effort to make cheating more difficult. And yes, I do fully expect the gaming sheeple to value their online gaming experience more than personal freedom and autonomy. When a game uses a different EXE and config file for SP vs MP forcing this feces on everyone carte blanche is purely a butthead dictator move.

Cheapest 9070 = $629 Cheapest 5070ti = $899 ----------------------------------------------- Top ten list was valid and a good trip down memory lane.... And this is the future of competitive games. Blame the cheaters and mod makers. Do I wish single mode was left alone? Of course, but single mode is a drop in the bucket (if that) vs the massive and sustained income multiplayer brings in and confidence is wiping out cheaters keeps the user base sated and large. I will not purchase or play (even if free of charge) any game that requires me to enable TPM or Secure Poot in the BIOS. I have been buying and playing Battlefield and Call of Duty since the first release in each franchise, but I am done with them now. I only play single-player campaign. Yet, they insist on dictating this unacceptable filth even in circumstances where cheating is a non-issue, so to hell with them and their cancer game crap. They will not receive another cent from me if this is how they roll now. And, I am not the only former player they have lost. If they were paying attention they would recognize that this dictatorship mentality is one of the reasons that Micro$lop is losing OS market share at an unprecedented rate. PC gamers and enthusiasts are not Kool-Aid drinking zombie sheeple like crApple users are. Unfortunately this is the future. Blame the cheaters, but true multiplayer is where the bulk of the $$$ is made not single player campaigns. As a former competitive fps player and still seeing rampant cheating going on in the games I play, I'm ok with this. Again, I don't like the "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" approach and single player campaigns being hit, but I get exactly where they're coming from. I'm sure they've run the numbers and know which side butters their bread. $5090 for a 5090.....I mean, I love everything the Lightning is bringing to the table and no I'm not going to nitpick thermal pads 'cause that's low hanging fruit my friend. But that price? 2.5x more than I paid for my Vanguard 5090 and even that was excessive IMHO.... Insane pricing.... PASS. --------------------------------- eBay store has been in full swing since the beginning of the month. I've sold about $3.6k worth of stuff so far including 4 of my lower and older tier laptops and have one more to list and then I'm down to my main driver Alienware 18 with the 275hx and 5070ti and the wife's Nitro 275hx and 5060 (both eval units so zero cost). When all is said and done, I expect to top off the till with ~$5k and more importantly clear out a lot of stuff. That's the primary goal instead of sitting on top of so much gear both personally purchased and sent by companies for eval. A massive decluttering. Trends I've noticed on eBay.... Forwarding International purchases are up drastically because the US dollar is much weaker right now worldwide. I'm used to forwarding purchases being ~10-20% of my sales YoY, but they are easily 40-50% now. While the market is telling us memory prices are out of bounds, kits on eBay at a much lower cost than MSRP are languishing and just not selling. You also have Microcenter and now Newegg offering some pretty sweet bundles basically selling kits at the cost they were (or close to it pre Ramageddon or a touch below. Plenty of stock too of overpriced memory. Something isn't adding up. People fail to look at trends and prices on eBay and thus their listings languish weeks if not months instead of getting realistic.

from my experience dealing with HPE is a can of worm nightmare you don't want open for any price.

standard timespy really like low latency memory(TR pro hasnt bcs of reg ecc mem) n high CPU clocks. timespy extreme = more GPU load bcs of much more details/textures etc. so timespy just showing u, ur system isnt balanced n the CPU/mem is the bottleneck for ur graphics card at 1080p how higher the resolution/details/textures how much more the system get balanced. is like the P4200 vs. P5200 situation, ppl saying "they r almost same performance" yeah bcs testing at 1080p the CPU is the limit, not the card, at 4k the difference is 12-15% bcs the GPU is the limit, not the CPU anymore.

I’m satisfied with what I got from the Pro Max Plus 16-inch model, the build quality and performance are decent. It’s better than any of the Precision machines I’ve owned before, including the 7550, 7760, 7670, 7680, and 7780, in many respects. Plus, the 4K 120Hz Tandem OLED is wild, if you are not sensitive on OLED panel, don't miss that option. In my opinion, if you’re looking for a true workstation-class machine, I would not recommend the ThinkPad P16 Gen 3. This model is heavily limited by its preset power limits and power adapter. The combined power budget is only 15W for the CPU plus 115W for the GPU. If you don't care about performance, P16 Gen3 is still acceptable. HP ZBook Fury is probably another option worth exploring. Honestly, I don’t have any experience with HP laptops, so I can’t comment on it.

nice. i still use this on windows 11. i tried linux once but couldnt installed gpu. i have the stock 2000m gpu.

The way the current stock market unfolding might actually work in our favor faster than expected. All these companies went all-in on AI when their stocks were flying high. Borrowed heavily, committed to massive infrastructure builds, stripped components away from consumer products. The whole bet was that AI hype would keep going. Now? Stocks cratering, and suddenly that NVIDIA "$100B OpenAI investment" went from a done deal to "optional" and "we're considering it." That's the canary. Here's the thing - when you're overleveraged and the money dries up, you pivot FAST. And what actually makes money? Selling products consumers want to buy. Not burning cash on AI infrastructure that hasn't proven profitable. The market's forcing their hand. They can't keep the AI spending spree going when their stock's down 50% and investors are demanding answers. They need revenue, and consumers are where the revenue is. ASML doing layoffs despite record profits tells you everything - they see what's coming. So yeah, sucks for the companies and investors, but for us? This collapse might actually accelerate the return of consumer products. When the leverage evaporates, they have to sell what people actually pay for. Beginning of the end of the AI bubble might be the beginning of getting our hardware back.

Here's what's absurd.... " Extreme overclockers know exactly which settings to adjust to unlock the card's maximum performance. This will likely be impossible for the average user. The MSI GeForce RTX 5090 Lightning Z review - hardwareluxx.de Me Reading the bottom line..... Edit. MSI RTX 5090 Lightning Z Is Now Available On Multiple Indian Retailers At A Whopping $9050

We are a very small, tight knit community that started as a cast off from the original NBR forums which were already dying to the point they shut them down in totality. Those forums at one point were so large and influential that representatives from the major laptop makers would frequent them on the regular for interaction and feedback but with changing market conditions, social media and other means of delivery coupled with niche and specialized laptops dying out and being replaced with thin fast and cheap laptops the writing was on the wall. You can't blame laptop makers for this as they simply go where the $$$ is and the vast majority of consumers have zero desire to tinker with their laptops and just want them to work, with good battery life and be light and portable. Every year, we saw true DTRs dying off and those original representatives basically abandoning NBR till all that was left was Clevo and their last somewhat true DTR based on desktop chips was their 12th gen hybrid 15.6" model (Clevo NH55) which did poor enough to signal the end of DTR anything as we knew it with interchangeable CPUs and GPUs. The first real death stroke was Nvidia basically abandoning MXM and upgradeability standards. ----- A community such as this is only as good as the enthusiasts who still have a passion for some older hardware and many of those, myself included, have moved onto more modern laptops because all the modding in the world will not approach the power modern models provide. The best you can do with modern laptops is look for models that at least have or offer the possibility of flexible BIOS so you can at least tune your hardware. Prema still offers his BIOS services on some models commercially followed by MSI which still has their excellent unlockable BIOS options. Dell/Alienware does offer some limited options as does Asus. You can also look to make mods to the actual cooling system itself from something as basic as upgrading the thermal interface material to modding the actual heatsink and fans themselves along with the chassis to improve air flow. Good luck!

Totally absurd and such a low-value. Sad. It is nice that not all tech is crazy overpriced. My wife and I last purchased phones 5 years ago. We have been using our OnePlus 8T phones since early 2021. I finally decided to upgrade them and our new Google Pixel 10 Pro XL phones are out for delivery today. The price is essentially the same for the new Pixels as what I paid for the new OnePlus phones (within $25 of the same). I chose the Pixel for both of us not only because of their outstanding quality, but also because I am going to be using GrapheneOS rather than Android. Time to give Google the same treatment as Micro$lop.

Oh I finally found the Prochot Offset setting in the bios - it's under thermal management and then called TCC Offset. Just set it to 2 instead of 8. I don't see a reason to limit to 92°. Theoretically 0° is possible, but my old gram sometimes BSOD with 0 as it can overshoot by 1-2 degrees. So 2° offset is optimal. Edit it's a mess. I'm not sure anymore which setting I have to activate to be able to modify it inside the bios. I cannot figure it out anymore and it's locked now. However I managed to change some setting so I can change it from Throttlestop and it works, however also don't know what I changed for that - and in the same process I messed up some limits so that EDP other throttling kicks in at way lower wattage. It's a bit trial and error - if it doesn't work then full reset the bios and try again from scratch. But basically anything is possible that the hardware supports (no undervolting as Intel blocked this many yeats ago)... Edit: it's a mess. I simply don't find out what I did initially to have unlimited power. And bios load default is not fully resetting all of the hidden options, seems they are not part of the default. the best I get is 30w constant and before a 28seconds 45w window. So 10700 on Cinebench R23 is max. I had gotten 12.000 at some point with 40w constant power and that was with 8° Prochot Offset. Now I somehow managed to keep the 2° offset set via Throttlestop - but I don't get full power anymore... Limit window in Throttlestop doesn't show anything - it simply doesn't draw more.

5090 at $5090. Yet, MSI went cheapo and used some lower quality thermal pads. For +5000$ gamer card... Why not put more of the money in the quality than useless gimick accorisies that don't make the product better? You should expect everything top notch when you charge 2,5 times over the org MSRP for 5090 FE. "The thermal pads with a thermal conductivity of only 3.3 W/mK, which we also find on the VRMs, are more in the lower mid-range and only meet basic heat transfer requirements". MSI GeForce RTX 5090 Lightning Z Review – A lightning-fast and thirsty unicorn battling NVIDIA's clock speed limits