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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
I recently picked up the new version of Painkiller on a Steam sale. I have several of the original Painkiller titles and loved playing them. The new one is no exception. A bit flashier and better graphics, but just as fun. Your sole objective is to kill endless hordes of demons without getting killed in the process. Very similar to Doom but less keyboard effort needed than Doom. -
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Precision M6800 questions and upgrades
Annihilator replied to Jers6410's topic in Pro Max & Precision Mobile Workstation
yeah i know, was a daily seach on ebay to be the first... still dont know will keep both(7720 n 6800) or sel the 6800 when finished it. 🤪 but need to calculate what i paid for all those stuff... the 6800 itself was a bargain with only 100 bucks, but all those stuff i putted in its around 600 bucks, dont know will get those for it. - Yesterday
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
The new ASUS BIOS is working well on the Apex. My system did not care for AGESA 1.3.0.0 or 1.3.0.0a but 1.3.0.1 seems good. They added that new "Crosshair Tweak" option in the memory settings. I am using mode 2 (Normal) because I don't give a flying hoot about mitigating the extremely remote possibility of being inconvenienced by a row hammer exploit. There is also a newer ZenTimings beta in the Discord available for download. -
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win32asmguy replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
To be completely honest that is a tough one. I also tested out the Micro Center Raider 18 with 285HX, 5090m and 1600p 240hz. While it does have the advanced bios available I ran into issues with its audio getting distorted under combined loads, very high temperatures (over 110C on the stock system memory) and eventual crashes under load that needed an EC reset to recover. Maybe just a bad sample? Maybe single rank memory would run cooler or just something about the Micron 32GB modules? Although I found many others had similar issues on MSI's Global Forums with 2025 Intel Vector/Raider/Titan models... Today's project has been turning the media center back into a gaming machine for use on our 4k living room TV for my wife. We picked up one of those Midnight edition 5070 GPU's at Micro Center which seems to perform fine. With the 285K in 200S boost mode with the 48GB memory at 8000 CL40 WoW we are seeing 100fps running around Silvermoon without RT enabled. I need to find a nicer looking ATX case that has space for 3x3.5 inch HDDs and preferably a single 5.25 inch Bluray drive. The Fractal Design Define R7 XL is far too big for the space we have available under the TV. -
Precision M6800 questions and upgrades
SuperMG replied to Jers6410's topic in Pro Max & Precision Mobile Workstation
No you are lucky for having a potential ZRT RTX 4090 VBIOS. For M6800 I think 135W TDP should be the max for dGPU. 150W works but needs beefy PSU. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Windoze is a broken surveillance tool and a raging dumpster fire of an OS. Literally a digital dung heap. I do not have a problem with drivers. If functionality requires any Windoze Service(s) to be running that consumes memory and CPU cycles for the feature to work, then it is a software gimmick and not a hardware feature. Now, It may be a necessary evil and unavoidable fix for the raging Micro$lop dumpster fire, but it is still not a hardware feature if it depends on Windoze services to be running. If it is a hardware feature it will work in a UEFI shell or in a Linux environment because it is baked into the CPU or GPU and functions at the firmware level and there is no way for it "not to work" if it is in the wrong OS environment. If it is a hardware feature, there is either no way to turn it on or off, or you do it in the BIOS, not Windoze, and it will not care if you are running an old version of Windows 10 or 11 that doesn't have certain updates installed. -
Precision M6800 questions and upgrades
DynamiteZerg replied to Jers6410's topic in Pro Max & Precision Mobile Workstation
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Precision M6800 questions and upgrades
Annihilator replied to Jers6410's topic in Pro Max & Precision Mobile Workstation
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HI! I'm trying to figure out what settings to change to undervolt the i7-6700K using the Premamod Bios. I was able to set a -125 offset for both the CPU and Uncore in the BIOS, based on some basic googling suggestions, and confirmed the offset with HWinfo on reboot, but I think I missed some settings to top off the CPU performance, because when I run Cinebench, the cores all top out at around 2,500 MHz instead of 4,000 MHz. I'm guessing I have to counter the offset with a boost in some other setting? Here's my current settings in the in the Overclocking Performance Menu: The only two settings I changed myself so far were the CPU Core Voltage offsett and the Uncore Voltage offset, both set to -125. Everything else was left as-is in the BIOS. Overclocking Feature: Enabled IMON Scaling: Disabled Vboost Enable: Disabled RSR: Enabled >Processor Core Max OC Ratio: 0 Core Voltage Mode: Adaptive Core Voltage Override: 0 Core Extra Turbo Voltage: Core Voltage Offset: 125 (Negative) Core PLL Voltage Offset: 0 >Ring Ring Max OC Ratio: 0 Ring Min OC Ratio: 0 Rin Voltage Mode: Adaptive Ring Extra Turbo Voltage: 0 Ring Voltage Offset: 0 (+/-) >Uncore Uncore Voltage Offset: 125 (negative) Hyperthreading, Active Cores, Virtualization, AES, Boost Mode Turbo, SpeedStep, C-states all enabled Using four 8GB DDR4 RAMM DIMMs, all running at 2400 MHz I basically just want to be able to boost to 4.00Ghz with an undervolt to lower my temps. I was able to do it in XTU on an older locked P870DM-G I once had, but I don't recall the settings I had for that. It was like 6 years ago 😞 Anyone familiar with this that can help me here? Thanks!
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Remember when they told us that 13th and 12th gen wouldn't work with APO? That is my biggest issue with Intel. They did say IBT has specific silicon "hooks" but I doubt. They said they're looking into bringing it in some fashion to ARL 1. Tells me they're waiting to see how initial sales look before they make that decision. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Intel and even AMD have before and now are offering CPU optimization tools to compensate primarily for scheduler issues with these hybrid chips and then the next level is re-ordering (aka optimizing) execution for optimal performance dynamically. We are basically talking drivers here. I don't see a problem with these drivers / tools Instead I see a problem with Windows and to a lesser degree developers making trash, bloated, unoptimized software. It's like when you run Timespy or Steel Nomad and you can see a certain performance delta between AMD and Nvidia so that sets a performance bar. We know the 5090 is heads and tails more powerful than the 9070xt / 7900xtx, yet you will suddenly see titles where the performance narrows to an insane level not reflective of benchmarks. You then go into games and literally the performance varies anywhere between 20 to 90% depending on the game being tested not only AMD vs Nvidia but even Nvidia vs Nvidia and AMD vs AMD. The variance and bloat is insane. This can extend even to CPU performance. Some games have horrific CPU optimizations. It was no shock that WoW was on the Intel APO short order list of games. WoW is guilty of this and needs a major overhaul. Player physics absolutely tanks performance regardless of the CPU and leaves the GPU twiddling its thumbs. Fallout 76 is guilty too and needs a major overhaul. The differential in X3D vs Intel for performance is insane. So many console ports relying on the grunt of the CPU/GPU and not optimizing properly need it too. Watching Vex's take on Crimson Desert and some truly great scaling and optimization vs so many bloated corpses masquerading as competent game engines. Basically this........... I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth and NOT accept CPU or GPU makers doing what they can to optimize and present their products in the best light to my benefit no matter the scale or exclusivity. I do get rankled a bit when they have the ability to backport the technologies to previous CPUs/GPUs but don't trying to push current iterations as hard as possible though....but that's for another day. 🙂 -
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Being mislead by tech tubers telling you that you have to install 'additional' software was your first mistake. The Intel Performance Package is literally a motherboard driver that you install just like my 9850X3D has Chipset drivers that installs a 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer and Platform Power Management drivers. No longer do you have to enable anything in the BIOS, it's all on by default, you no longer download the overlay (was never required before anyways) from the Microsoft store as it's all been brough in house, single Intel PPP Driver which installs everything. Intel PPP driver is now on the Intel website as well as your motherboard support page. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/869519/intel-platform-performance-package.html Intel simply brough it all under one roof now, a single driver that does it all which is how it should have been. It's a great fix. So PPP isn't a gimmick, it's literally Platform Power Management and Optimizations that every single vendor does. I'm not sure how this misunderstanding even started. -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Software or huge driver packages to try fix their hardware to function properly is lame. In the old days you didnt have to install software or drivers to make Intel chips works. Even the chipset driver isn't an real driver. **** also feels like a workaround **** rather than a fundamental improvement in game performance. Instead of broad architectural gains, this approach selectively enhances individual titles through predefined profiles. The biggest limitation is support https://www.guru3d.com/review/core-ultra-5-250k-and-7-270k-plus-processor-review/page-30/ -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
As far as I am concerned, any hardware "feature" that requires installing software to function is not actually a feature, but a stupid gimmick that should be regarded as worthless. If the feature only works in Windows it is even more worthless. Having to install software is an unacceptable joke, even if Linux support is provided for it. The PC tech industry is quickly becoming the domain of idiots and profusely littered with trash. Hardware should have full functionality that requires no software and is OS agnostic. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Looks like I might have to RMA sometime soon. x870e Hero LCD display is starting to go on the fritz and flash random colors in patches. Google search shows this is a known problem and eventually it will die flat out, bummer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, I remember when they did that on my 11th gen XPS laptop from them after I altered the cfg values to enable TS support a subsequent BIOS update locked it down even further. It's problematic so that's why I was asking about your experience with Smokeless. A 5070 is just a bit too under powered on the laptop scene for me at this point. 5070ti is the bare level entry level 😞 All I want is an 18" laptop with full BIOS control and at least a 5070ti+ with a super beefy cooling system and space to mod.....am I asking too much? 🤣 Yeah seems to be the new thing with adding new features to the newest products at the time. Intel potentially pulling an AMD and Nvidia move. This isn't new as APO really didn't go anywhere. Luckily it had WoW support and I still enable it on the wife's system for her SP109 14900KS. I wouldn't expect IBOT to have long, far reaching support that builds upon Arrow Lake and continues to extended to it and Nova in the future but you never know. Either way, if Intel is able to dynamically reorder execution instructions to extract better performance, I'm here for it. Nice! Still crazy how Apple silicon ST scores are pretty bonkers now but I'm so glad to see Intel making the right moves lately from Battlemage to returning to mobile dominance to enhancing and lowering the prices of Arrow Lake and not doing a cash grab of a 290k. All reports show Nova is going to be a monster. I haven't picked up a 270k individually yet as prices shot up but I did snag a combo deal on hold from Microcenter for $617.50 to contemplate with a 270k, MSI Z890 Tomahawk and 2x16GB Crucial DDR5 6400 that I would just use in my Z20 Jonsbo mATX case. Still mulling it over if I want to pick that up, suck it up and pay the current $349.99 price tag or just wait till the first wave hype dies down and prices return a bit. Kinda want to play around with an MSI z890 board though too for comparison.... ----------------------------------------------------------- In before the "Well, max tuned chip vs chip I think the 14600k would be better blah blah blah" crowd pipes up...not realizing 99% of users aren't going to touch their settings at all and even just enabling XMP is scary to them....🤣 -
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/17330779 Geekbench doesn't like me being able to wipe the field of other x86 CPUs like this lol. Can't hurt AMD fanboy feelings. But I absolutely agree Intel needs to stop with the single gen optimization BS. They need to commit to a timeline, say 5 years of guaranteed support for SKU optimizations. It's my biggest gripe with this strategy. I do feel Intel is not going to stop here though with IBOT, I expect multiplayer games will be added soon, especially listening to Robert at Intel speak recently when he very quickly said "not yet". IBOT and the large cache next gen is very likely going to be a big game changer for Intel, they will eventually force IBOT on by default just like APO. -
Follow up on original issue: flickering keyboard lights when in sleep mode. It's fixed now. Some fix (either Microsoft or Dell) must have corrected this issue. I'm happy now.
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Hmm. Seen more info about this? Intel should stop make such changes within same gen Chips (to upsell the refresh as something new). Almost as Nvidia making new gen fake frames features as the new for new gen Graphics cards. Soon you'll pay extra for software features or slight tuned firmware/vbios versions to milk more money from the more expensive Gpu SKUs. A popular benchmark, Geekbench, says it will issue a warning when Intel’s new “Arrow Lake Refresh” desktop chips enable Intel’s new IBOT feature. Why? Because the benchmark vendor can’t be sure that scores reported with it can be considered trustworthy. https://www.pcworld.com/article/3099125/intel-new-performance-tool-casts-doubt-on-benchmark-scores.html Regarding IBOT. NOT Intel APO. What will Intel brand the Optimizer software feature next time? What buyers of Arrow Lake Refresh should know is that IBOT is not on by default, so if you want this performance boost, you must use Intel’s software to activate the feature. It also is only in 12 games as a start, with no concrete timeline for additional title support. And yes, for those who’ve abandoned Windows: IBOT will eventually come to Linux. But Intel won’t say when—not just yet. -
Windows 11 users have heard Microsoft's promises before. That's the problem The trust is almost gone.
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Precision M6700 owner's thread
unstable replied to Aaron44126's topic in Pro Max & Precision Mobile Workstation
Hello Soo my precision m6700 won't boot anymore. I had 32gb of ram (8gb in each slot), but now it won't boot with ram inserted in slots A and/or C, only B and D slots work. This happened to me once and after reseating CPU all four slots worked fine, but now that didn't work. I tried different CPU, cleaning CPU and ram module sockets, reseating ram modules, putting them in different slots but with no luck. Has anyone experienced this before? -
Precision M6800 questions and upgrades
DynamiteZerg replied to Jers6410's topic in Pro Max & Precision Mobile Workstation
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XMG Neo 17 E23 vs Neo 16 E25, am I right to be disappointed?
MiSJAH replied to MiSJAH's topic in Uniwill (TongFang)
I have just noticed that my 275hx limits to 160w no matter what I set PL1 and PL2 at. Any idea why? Edit: I am testing in XTU. Limits to 160w in the stress test but will pull up to 195w in XTU's benchmark. Edit2: cpu only pulls 60w in timespy cpu bench. -
I can use both the Rtx 3000 no problems and the Rtx 5000, with the 5000 though I either have to limited it's core MHz to 1300 or change it's power to around 80 watts, when playing games it does still seem to go as high as 96 watts, if I just leave it at stock 110 watts it ends up crashing as for pads I'm actually using paste as I couldn't co firm if the pads were actually reaching, I'm now considering trying this 2k screen on the Rtx 3000, just alot of faffing about as I now have the 3D edp cable at hand, current tests have all been with the lvds screen but it's a very old screen and doesn't look particularly nice, failing this is maybe a portable screen and using a micro display or similar to achieve a nicer screen for gaming.
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TJagecy replied to MelonicOverlord's topic in Pro Max & Precision Mobile Workstation
Anyone fixed the problem? With Maxwell/Pascal/Turing? Somehow my M6800 is still not showing the M5000M, I made everything, but no. And thanks to stupid design of bios chip, I couldn't vbios it.