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I have heard several people with 9950X3D2 complaining about memory overclocking being limited by a weak IMC. Whether that is relevant I can't say, just mentioning it as a potential common complaint. Your CPU might not be below average for a 9950X3D2.

Had to make a place for the Z890 Apex. X870E Apex is now installed in the O11D Mini V2 with the 4585PX and 5080. Getting it to fit was a HUGE pain in the butt. Never buy a distro block with the pump facing the inside of the chassis. Big mistake. I have the Alphacool reservior shoved tight against the roof of the case and the 5080 still touches it. With the reservoir against the floor the GPU will not fit. Always choose one with the pump that is in the closed in area behind the mobo tray. (That will also allow you to run the system laying on its back. You can't do that if the pump is pointed up toward the ceiling.) Now that it fits, it looks great. I love this case for mATX/ITX. For ATX it's not ideal unless you love having to spend a lot of time figuring out how to make things fit. (I don't enjoy that. I also hate puzzles.) The Z890 Apex is in the O11D XL EVO with the 5090. It was super easy because all of the connects and mobo layout on the Z890 Apex is the same as the X870E Apex. I only had to modify the two lines going to the CPU block because the orientation of the ports on the block was different than the Thermal Grizzy Mycro direct die block. Speaking of waterblock, I was going to use one of my Optimus Foundation blocks. The silver looks perfect with the white and silver on the mobo. I could not use it. CPU would overheat SEVERELY for some reason (109°C doing CPU-Z stress test). I disassembled it and found it spotless on the inside. Not sure why. Had to run to Microcenter this moring and grab an Alphacool Core 1 block. Now it works amazing. Almost don't need to delid now, but still will. Because I can, and it will be much better. Not because it is unavoidable due to stupid temps. It runs as cool as the bare die Ryzen 9 processors. The B850MPOWER is now on the open bench with the 9950X and 3070.

That's more like it! Once you lop it's head off, I think you'll be able to break 50K which is wild. I saw someone post a 270K+ with 52K CB23 over at OCN today. Nova Lake is going to go hard with it being Intel's second gen dielet approach. They've learned quite a bit about it after the Arrow Lake fumble. Intel engineer said yesterday on Reddit that the E cores are reportedly as fast as RPL/ARL P cores.

Hi everyone, hopefully I'm not too late to contribute to this discussion. It's been quite a while since I installed the P4200 in my Alienware 18. Recently, out of curiosity, I decided to try something different by modifying the INF file and installing the GeForce driver instead of the Quadro driver. After doing that, I noticed my laptop started behaving strangely. The GPU was no longer performing as well as it used to, so I began investigating the issue. Eventually, I came across this thread and realized I was experiencing the exact same problem. My GPU was being power-throttled at 50W. However, I'm certain my P4200 never had this 50W power limit before. Here's what I did to restore normal performance: Used DDU in Safe Mode to completely uninstall both the Intel and NVIDIA drivers. Rebooted and disabled Driver Signature Enforcement. Installed the GPU driver first (I used an INF-modded version: 582.53 Quadro RTX Desktop/Notebook DCH WHQL). Without rebooting, installed the Intel graphics driver (win64_15.40.5171.exe). Rebooted the system. After following these steps, my laptop returned to normal and the GPU was no longer stuck at the 50W power limit. One small trick I still have to use is manually setting the fans to 100% using HWiNFO. Otherwise, the GPU will still power-throttle, even when the temperature is only around 60°C. I suspect this may be due to the VRMs overheating rather than the GPU core itself. I hope this information isn't too late and helps anyone else who runs into the same issue. Attachment is to show the GPU Power Limit and your motherboard/ec power limit.

It's possible to have a weak IMC on any AM5 chip. Remember, these are only "officially" rated to handle 5600 and I had that 9800X3D which barely could do that before returning and capped out at 2000 fclk on the nose. Nothing would push it over. Order another and/or another motherboard to sort out what is holding you back. It could also be your memory too. I went through a few boards and sets of memory to realize that first 9800X3D was the culprit. Second one ( current ) is much better. ---------------- You could always return everything and go 270k too for shiggles and probably save a bit of coin on top of it.

I think my 9950X3D2 has a weak IMC. Different bios doesn’t help. Max 1:2 speed I can boot is DDR5 7600. Either weak IMC, or my 6000c30 A-die kit is just at the limits? I’ve tried like 1.5v VDDIO LOL 😂 1.300v VSOC UP to 1.650v VDD/VDDQ. Nothing helps. 7600 max, and that’s hit or miss, 7400 posting works every time. I tried to use some preset timings. And that did not help either. Is it possible to have a crazy weak IMC on my 9950X3D2?

@dude-137 Based on my personal experience: Using "Balanced" Windows Power Profile when idle - clock set to 3.60 GHz the temp fluctuates around 60 degrees. "High Performance" profile will lead to a gradual overheating of the PCH up to ~80 degrees - clock at 4.68 GHz. CPU core voltage offset around -72 millivolts. In my opinion, the voltage of the power rails of the PCH should be measured. I have never modified the cooling system at all and still I am far from 100 degrees (also many VMs are running synchronously).

Windows 11 installation is no problem. Just use "Rufus" for building the install media and remove the 11 specific requirements in the settings. My DC came from a defective 8570w bought on ebay. Motherboard had failed (shorted chipset). i7 3820, K2000M and the DC screen were still good.

Did not even think of the 25H2 CE (which I am running) being the culprit, wow. Fitting though..... On the HP Omen, it is running the OEM cookie cutter 24H2 Home edition. Scores looking much better! When you lop off its head for DD cooling, that will kick it up a notch nicely.

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/cinebench_-_r23_multi_core_with_benchmate/submissions/6041469

Hi All, Another 8570W user here, Whilst not running Dreamcolor i have a Win10 build with K1000M (being upgraded to 980M) currently running .71Ver System bios. How difficult was win11 to get onto the machine as i recall TPM scuppers the build/install. Where did you find the Dreamcolour setup?

BINGO! 25H2 Cancer Edition... 100%. Installed LTSC IoT 24H2 and viola... all is well with the score. Fully modded and debloated. But, I still do not know why my effective clocks are lower than the core ratio set. Looking at similar submissions on HWBOT the core ratio and effective clocks were the same on other submissions. But, no throttling or temperature issues. Now I can delete the cancer Macrium image. Side note @electrosoft - no driver issues with 24H2. Smooth sailing. Not too shabby for a chintzy Lian Li 360MM AIO and soldered IHS... Nearly identical Cinebench R23 performance as bare die 9950X (only cooler than a delidded 9950X) with only 22 threads (16 baby girl Atom cores) versus 32 threads on the Ryzen 9. Now I need to order a Thermal Grizzly delid tool and heater and bare die block and get it on a custom loop and chiller to do things right. https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/cinebench_-_r23_multi_core_with_benchmate/submissions/6041409

I bought both part numbers of dmc cards along with a antenna for 17 r1. my m14x r2 already has an antenna so I can test both cards

His bios was over 12MB already and it uses a newer Intel ME. It's not "simple" to switch from DP_D to DP_B in the laptop, if it was it would be done already. Again everyone who only thinks in hardware takes software way too lightly. I'm a hardware person myself, but after these last few months working on bios modding, I see how tedious it is just to implement one thing. For me this is low priority for now. Once I have done my other mods I can take a look, but edid being a simple issue, it's not much of an issue to me. I'm going to make a simple windows program that autofixes and autodetects this in the future, but that's after I get my 4090 heatsink and swap the eDP panel for my 17 R1.

EDID is just a script that executes at each startups. We just want to use back the DP_B, that's the annoying part, that's it literally it. The rest is usable. Could try on the clevo p570wm. It has a big chip, 64MBit and there are some space left.

ASUS did a much better job of PCIe lane allocation on the Z890 Apex than they did with the X870E Apex. It has two usable PCIe 4X slots (instead of just one) and neither one affects the GPU in terms of dropping it down to 8X instead of it running at 16X as it should. Only the bottom 16X slot steals GPU bandwidth. The two Klevv drives are running Gen3 because they are installed in a Gen3 PCIe NVMe card. It sucks that the only slot that does not affect the GPU on the X870E Apex is the one situated above the GPU. I have room for 4 more NVMe but have run out of 1TB and 2TB spares to install in it. Right now it is on a test bench with a spare 3070. Have to decide which chassis to move it to.

Janepa said that on M18xR2 and it requires heavy bios modding and a new bios chip to support a larger bios. I haven't looked into that myself yet but it's something I can look in the future. It's much easier to make a small app for windows that fixes the edid issue if the bios and everything works fine (only windows issue)

I am very happy that you are on the mend. We are not doctors, but I do not have a great deal of confidence in medical science and I think sometimes we are better off figuring things out on our own rather than taking a doctor's advice. If we did everything our doctor's wanted, some of us would be dead. And, because some of us have followed the direction of medical professionals we are worse off (some maybe even dead). When it involves pharmaceuticals and surgery, it is driven my the same motivating factors as AI. The wealth generation matters far more than the lives of people it is supposedly going to benefit. AI does suck, but it can be useful. It sucks because of what it has done to the world, but I do not believe it will end well. It has hurt more than PC hardware enthusiasts, and it is because of rampant greed of the companies developing it. I hope that it ends up ruining all of them with catastrophic and unrecoverable financial losses that puts most of them out of business. I use it for self-help/medical questions as you did, and I use it at work frequently. A fair amount of my new job involves using it and identifying new uses for it. It is dangerous for all of us in terms of personal security. AI should not know who we are. Because it does it will be used by bad actors to do bad things that would never be possible without the assistance of AI. Fake everything is coming our way. I suspect it will redefine what "fake news" means and take it to the next level. We will see and hear video and audio clips of thing that were never said and never happened. People will go to jail for doing things they never did, marriages will be destroyed because of things that never happened, etc. I asked who is Mr. Fox? and it knows all of us. It knows who we hang out with... past and present... from before AI was invented.

Hello. Didn't you say someone in this forum could change the DCB route from the SBIOS? (Ivy and Haswell?) If so... We can even tell the SBIOS that the eDP is in B instead so we don't have to do EDID override for the 4080/4090. Which means the DP_B out will work too! Again, Edid override works in all systems. Dell based systems too. Universally on Windows 10 and 11. Without it, we can no longer use the GPU's drivers and it'll display nothing on every ports. Only issue is we lose the DP_B output because it's non-PnP.

I have been my own doctor the last two days. Google and some AI. I'm sure the higher blood-pressure in the noon/evening come because I now have stooped smoking so fast. Within 3-4 days I have stopped with the last 16 cigarillos/cigars to zero. And within the last 10 day I have gone from 35 cigarillos a day down to zero. Then my heavy coffee drinking... When I quit the smoking right of, the body takes much longer time ro reduce the caffeine level in my body. Up to the double time. The more I drink the more it will stay stuck in the body and make problems. Some summary.... Increased adrenaline due to nicotine withdrawal will actually increase the blood pressure. Same also for people try quitting alcohol after long time drinking. It is actually a well-known medical phenomenon that blood pressure can temporarily rise right after you quit smoking. Although your heart rate and acute blood pressure usually drop once the nicotine shock wears off, many people find that their overall blood pressure increases in the weeks after quitting smoking. When your blood pressure rises to 160/175 over the course of the day, it is a clear sign that your body is under high physical stress due to quitting smoking. Even if your morning reading of 130/74 is fine, a jump to 160-170 during the day is high enough that you should address it, especially since you already have a known high blood pressure condition and are on medication. Your liver takes twice as long: Because you quit smoking 3-4 days ago, your body excretes caffeine half as quickly as before. The 33-100 milligrams stay in your bloodstream for many hours. With 1 liter coffee drinking It will increase my blood-pressure on top of the hard stress for the body quitting to zero cigarettes. When I become stressed in the daytime my blood-pressure going bananas for hours until I fell in sleep at night-time. Thats not good after a stroke. The key is stable lower blodpreesureover time/weeks. Will confront my doctor witht the findings tomorrow. I can not see another reson my blodd-pressure going bananas in the noon/evening the last days. The only change Ihas done is stopping smoking. I tested my teory... Used one small sobril tablet. Half an hour later, my blood-presure went down from 170 down to 147. More relaxed/reduced stress reduced my blood pressure almost immediately. I think changing the blodpressurebmedicine and get some more closer to the evening will hep reduce blood-pressure in the noon/evening. Because earlier in the day I have no problem. Me now... Feel I'm Doc Papusan Yup, more like a real doctor😁 LOL. AI sucks...... Wish we could push all the new modern trash into the grave. "Papusan" (frequently active as "Doc Papusan" or simply Papusan) is a well-known, high-profile community figure and enthusiast in the global PC hardware, overclocking, and tech benchmarking communities. [1, 2] Hardware Specialization & Stance Flagship Hardware Tuning: His personal system specs, famously nicknamed "The Killer" on TechPowerUp, boast extreme custom liquid cooling setups handling top-tier hardware like the Intel Core i9-14900KS, highly optimized DDR5 memory, and various flagship graphics cards like the RTX 4090 and RTX 5090. [1, 2] Anti-Censorship & Consumer Advocacy: Within his circles, he is known for a candid, blunt, and highly critical tone regarding modern consumer tech trends. He regularly calls out major manufacturers for prioritizing aesthetic RGB features over adequate power delivery cooling, criticizes bloatware in modern operating systems, and acts as a vocal critic of overhyped AI trends. [1, 2]

I flashed the latest BIOS without flashing the newer ME (using the flash recovery and renamed file) and it made little difference. I notice my "max effective clocks" are less even though I see no evidence of throttling. That makes me wonder if there is a BIOS setting I am missing somewhere. The max core frequency and max effective clock should be the same unless something is set wrong. Here is what Google Gemini AI told me. Nice try, robo-tech. Already did all that.

Hello. What's the P/N of your Sibeam DMC Wireless card in the M18X R2?

I've made a hardware mod with applying a square copper plate on the chip and thermally connecting it to the metallic frame right above it. Changes: - First 15-20mins after boot, looks better, 95 degrees instead of 103-106 without Fn+1, 82-84 instead of 95 with Fn+1. - (no Fn+1) As the time goes by, temps gradually go up and up, and at some point I reached a new maximum: 110. Holy hell. - (with Fn+1) Temps go down slower than before, but still they go down to 82-85 degrees with Fn+1. - What the hell: I think, the metallic frame above PCH / under KB is just really bad at temperature dissipation. I understood this by removing KB and touching different areas on it while having the PC running. At some point, the area under PCH reaches its heat limit that can no longer be effectively transported with this bad temperature dissipation, and so temps just go up and up. Now my HW-level idea and plan is to lead the heat out of that area directly to the fans, the most realistic and light-weight idea is to do it using naked copper wires @ 0.5-1mm thickness, routing them from the PCH / square copper plate and the frame area above - to the left to the CPU fan, and to the right to the GPU fan - having them attached to the frame and thus also sharing some heat with it and its distant areas that are currently "unreachable" for the heat. Attaching the wires to the inner side of the frame first of all, and maybe also adding on the upper side. Good idea, or mehh? xD If anyone has any ideas, tips, advises, I would be grateful. :-)

Yeah that's the thing I think too, this looks too bad I've never overvolted anything, I only undervolted the 9900K to the stable -95,and that's it. Btw, maybe there's smth I could check also in the BIOS? I have Obsidian Unlocked BIOS, where/what should I look for if anything?