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  2. win32asmguy
    Actually nothing I have tried so far has made it stable under a stress test at 6000 or higher. VSOC up to 1.2v, VDDIO/VDD/VDDQ up to 1.3v, UCLK+FCLK at 1500, multiple memory kits (both 2x16GB Hynix A-die). FCLK is stable at 2000 with VSOC at 1.1v. If I drop to 5800 stress tests are stable. Too bad its BGA or I would be hunting down a replacement chip. Unless I am missing an important voltage that is not being configured correctly automatically by the bios. Its really odd that I can boot at 7600 but 6000 is not stable. I do not think LM helps performance unless it had a bad PTM paste job, because the CPU is limited to 145W solo or up to 85W in combined loads. Fan noise could be improved though for sure. Regarding the screen swap I found a complete used display assembly from a Vector A18 with the 240hz QHD 1600p IPS panel which is perfect. Even better it has no lid logo RGB so that is one thing that will no longer be reset to a rainbow effect depending on how Steelseries software is feeling that day. The whole unit used was only $185 including tax so not a bad deal at all and very easy to swap the UHD assembly back if the laptop needs to go in for a warranty repair.
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  4. tps3443
    Yeah my Astral wasn’t even that great of a deal either lol. At the time they were brand new for $4,329.99 + tax and they had a single open box for like $3,779 or $3,889 + tax in the Best Buy store, I’m forgetting exactly how much it was. The box was kind of ripped a little, coil whine is not as quiet as my 5090 FE was (That one had a tiny bit, but you had to like put your ear against it to hear it, 1.2KW per limit certainly amplified it just a little bit) But the quietest GPU I ever owned was probably the 5080 Astral OC, it did not make any sound under load, even with your ear right against it lol. The 5090 Astral isn’t bad at all though but it makes a deep buzz if you lean in and try to listen to it. You won’t hear it in a closed case or anything though. Not a squeal or anything annoying at all which Is perfectly fine for me. I think most high end GPU’s will make a buzz under heavy load if you lean in close and listen to them. Too many check boxes these days to be super picky on GPU’s. Max Voltage, core overclocking ability, are 1% lows impacted with +3,000 memory OC, coil whine?, are the core and memory chips actually soldered on the board? lol, does it even work? lol. 😂 Unless something is making a high pitch squeal noise, I don’t care! Two prior products come to mind where I did care!!!. My Z590 Dark Kingpin motherboard, and EVGA power supplies lol. But yeah the Astral overclocks really well, and that’s what made me love it and decide to keep it. Excellent GPU. I’d probably long return my 9950X3D2 and Dark Hero X870 before that 5090 Astral goes anywhere!! Speaking of which that return period is coming up FAST on the AMD chip!! I may swap it out.
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  6. SuperMG
    P870TM only does PCIE 3.0 x8 for one slot. And the GPU heatsink will cost a lot lol
  7. Kastner
    Yes, it is a faster CPU in anyway. Yes, exactly! I think that is a good idea and looking forward the results if you share it. If you thinking replacing the P775, P870TM could be an option, it has I think the best CPU cooling solution, especially with the second fan mod. Also it is bigger and heavier, the last true DTR which was the best.
  8. SuperMG
    In Passmark, the average single thread performance is higher on the 11900k than the 9900k. 9900k 2800-2900 vs 11900K 3400-3500 In gaming not so much difference other than the high wattage on the 11th gen CPU for 5/6FPS gain... While being on the same 14nm node... For the heatsink mod. I'll just do one straight heatpipe connected between the CPU and GPU for a shared cooling design. Without adding a 0.5mm copper plate since I'll remove 3 of the tiny heatsinks on the CPU heatsink. If the first heatpipe is enough, I won't add a second one.
  9. Kastner
    9900KS You can try I tried it out, I had an x170km with 11900k and rtx3080 for a few month. It is almost twice as loud, you had two carry two bricks with you and the improvement especially at 2k and higher the difference is not that much for the investment in my opinion. 11th gen was not best generation which intel developed 10900k was better in multi. 8c vs 10c I think P775TM is very good DTR but have to make some compromise with it.
  10. SuperMG
    So at 4.7GHz and 4.8GHz all core, which CPU does the best (in terms of temperature) at the same clock speed? I'm interested to get the binned 9900K which is the 9900KS. Or should I just ditch this laptop and get the X170KM with 11700K?
  11. Kastner
    Short answer is no. With the factory air cooling system you can not achive these numbers. Maybe someone can contradict me but I cannot imagine it could be done.
  12. SuperMG
    So for example The 9900K/9900KF => 4.9GHz all core thermal throttle The 9900KS => 4.9Ghz all core no thermal throttle? Can the laptop handle 5.0GHz all core without any thermal throttle?
  13. Kastner
    It should be the best,yes. However the factory datasheet says 127W TDP which means it can do the base freq which is 4.0 GHz. It is not likely it will do all core 5GHz on 140w, it do around 200w. It is still just a very good 9900k. UV depends on luck and bin. Around 100 is normal 130 is very good. Yes, I read it, it is was a very good research and work congrats!
  14. SuperMG
    Is the 9900KS running at 5GHz all core at 140W? Is it better than the 9900K/9900KF since it's highly binned? Meaning we could do -130mV undervolts? I made my backlight mod v2 (with brightness control) work on this P775TM laptop and I got the custom heatsink from Cicichen. Can get 54k graphics points in Fire Strike.
  15. Mr. Fox
    I am making a little more progress. This dual v-cache CPU doesn't like being rag-dolled like my other CPUs. It is more sensitive. That's not a good thing, but it is good I am starting to better understand what it can tolerate, and when I treat it kinder and gentler it performs better.
  16. Kastner
    I see. I hope I could help you in some way, and congrats on 4090 it could be a beast! 9900ks would be very nice with it!;)
  17. SuperMG
    Yes the CPU speed does give extra fps in heaven benchmark. Tested with multiple CPU configurations and overclocking helps a lot. I get max 160W on the CPU when I use ThrottleStop and TimeSpy bench I used thermal glue 2w/mk, the best one that sticks very well. Some videos on YouTube, people used that thermal glue on the edges + used some thermal paste in the middle of the heatpipe and it was effective for them. I wanted to use a copper plate to elevate the heatpipes since there are some tiny heatsinks on the right of the heatsink
  18. Kastner
    I do not think that it could go all core 4.9 since it would be about 220w+. If you run hwinfo64 you can monitor the mhz. I am pretty sure all of the heavan benchmark for gpu test only. If you monitor during test is it also benching/using cpu? Do not use copper plate, heat pipes are much more effective transfering heat. Also glueing is not the best solution you should solder it.
  19. SuperMG
    Thanks. The heatpipe improved my TimeSpy score from 9.7/9.8k to 10.2/10.3k. so it does something. 4.9GHz all cores, -80mV I ran Heaven benchmark, it uses both CPU and GPU at the same time. GPU max temp was 80C and 88C in the hot spot. Got 390FPS in 1080p Ultra, no thermal throttle on the GPU. So can I just: use a 0.5mm thickness copper plate, glue it on the 3 CPU heatpipes and glue one straight heatpipe on top of the plate, all the way to the bottom GPU core side? I can improve my clocks if I do this.
  20. Kastner
    I assume it is working but it has a dramaticly lowered performance since these bend on the pipe surface and the physics how the heat pipes work. I use PL1 100W and PL2 120 W -100mV 4,7 all core. There is just a bit improvement in games for a lot of more heat if I use more. Here are two example for unlimited power and 120W. Here are the two benchmarks one for unlimited and one for 120W. Ulimited. PL1 100W PL2 120W Here is a cinebench results with unlimited and 120 W score. As you can see in unlimited thermal throttling is almost always on. It is completly normal since in the beginning it draws almost 180W and then throttling down around 140W. You can build your system for benchmark or you can build it for gaming. If you want better scores you need the heatpipe. If you want a cooler GPU then you do not need one. When both of your components starts working these benchmark results are not correct. CPU uses the GPU pipes and has more room to work. In gaming the CPU starts to heat the GPU sometimes resulting thermal throttling. I think a cooler GPU is better way to go. Of course this is only my opinion and it is based on my experience.
  21. JadeRover
    Agreed, this is probably not the right thread to dive into this but the most powerful clevos DTRs with an MXM slot really stretch the definition of being a laptop. I would say zbook 17 g5 and g6 are the best MXM laptops as they have 6 cores and 8 core cpu options and an all metal chassis. Though this is probably me having a liking to the quality of workstation laptops.
  22. SuperMG
    The heatpipe does work. I did the hot water test. What are your settings for 9900k? Core? Undervolt? PL? Can I just use one "red" heatpipe then? It'll improve in both cases (bench, gaming). I think one straight copper heatpipe at 10-12cm equals to 50W of heat.
  23. Kastner
    Your heat pipe is damaged as I see on the picture I think you should replace it. It does not matter witch orientation you use but it should not be any bent on the heatpipe since it blocking the flow. I think using the gpu heatsink for cpu cooling is only work fine in benchmarks. When gaming or when both cpu ang gpu working they will heat each other.
  24. Mr. Fox
    @Reciever I don't know if we're experiencing another DDoS attack or what, but the forum has performed miserably all day. Very laggy and sometimes unresponsive and inaccessible.
  25. Mr. Fox
    Brand new clear tubing looks fantastic. The problem is it doesn't stay looking brand new. EPDM is definitely the way to go. I think brand new clear tubing looks nicer but EPDM looks good and looks exactly the same whether it is new or old and I think it is considerably more durable. Plasticizers and degradation are a non-issue. I can tell you right now the silicon sample on the core side of things is better than my 4585PX and 9950X. The cores need less voltage for a manual overclock at any given core ratio. The memory controller is weaker than both of them. It requires looser timings to run 8000. Cinebench scores are lower and some things actually feel like they are slower at equivalent clock speeds. There is a small latency penalty with 3D v-cached CPUs and I think these flaws are all inherent to 3D v-cached Ryzen CPUs. I haven't done any gaming with it yet but I think I'm going to find that I gained nothing and probably lost a little ground in terms of overclocking capabilities. As far 9950X3D2 samples are concerned, I think this one is probably better than average. I may find my opinion will change after I spend more time with it and find out what it likes and what it doesn't. I may not be doing what it likes yet. I absolutely do not like the 200 MHz lower PBO boost clock but if I can get the thing to do a substantially better manual overclock I might forgive that because I don't really like PBO anyway. I have already decided that the Core Ultra 270K Plus is better than anything AMD has for sale. It performs better than anything AMD sells right now and costs substantially less than AMD's closest equivalent product. I had to loosen tCL, tRCDWR/RD, tRP, tRAS and tRC to get it stable at 8000. It might do better with GDM enabled, but I don't really want to do that if I can help it.
  26. electrosoft
    I think I might go with EPDM. Doing a lot of research and googling on clear soft tubing and it looks like a discoloration and problem long term nightmare. EPDM seems more cost effective with better longevity and never having to worry about not if but when the clear tubing clouds. Plus you get the Borg effect.... Nice! Now we'll get to see how it truly stacks up against your other two samples. The TG Die Mate Heater does really seem to be the way to go. No need to rock back and forth or use the oven method isolating that direct heat right to the heatsink/sTIM primarily.
  27. Mr. Fox
    So, I used the Thermal Grizzly Intel socket 1851 Delid Die Mate heater that I used to delid my 270K Plus to delid my 9950X3D2. It worked flawlessly and effortlessly. It was more work threading dental floss behind the IHS "legs" to cut through the rubber glue pads than it was to delid. As soon as the heater hit 165°C and flashed ready I simply lifted the CPU off the IHS as if it were never attached. As an added bonus, most of the factory solder stays on the IHS so cleaning up the dies after delid is way lots easier. (Same was true for the 270K Plus. Very little solder left to clean off the dies.) I am going to do all delids this way from now on. Much better than working up a case of carpal tunnel moving the AM5 IHS back and forth 100 times until it falls off. Major thermal improvement (about 15-18°C) in Cinebench, exactly as expected.
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  29. SuperMG
    Which option is better for cooling? My GPU temps are extremely good in TimeSpy and I was able to get 20.1k with the RTX 4090 MXM. The problem is the CPU temps. Can I just: leave the "yellow" curved heatpipe or Remove the "yellow" heatpipe and add 2 10cm "red" heatpipes instead?
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