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KP is back....with PNY?! So my next card will be a KP PNY 5090. Never thought I'd writing that.

In case anyone needs it, I've created a simple Windows microcode updater for v129. Works on all 13th & 14th gen Intel systems (Desktop and Notebook) without having to update your BIOS: https://www.reddit.com/r/eluktronics/s/wvXIQYgjoS

here you go. WR single and multi mem scores...... 3000 fclk I'm to lazy to post all FM scores but feel free to search 8500g,8600g,8700g apu scores.....I own the entire suite of benchmarks minus ray tracing benches....i saw no point in a bench that the APU doesn't support feature.....

FedEx showed up, but no 5090’s on the truck. Looked like an unmarked delivery van. Dang…Not looking good. EDIT: FedEx truck came back!!!

Hey Bros. Tomorrow morning I have my first brachytherapy procedure, with the second scheduled for 2/27. So, having me in your thoughts and prayers would be cherished.

I'd like to officially welcome @Mr. Fox and @Talon to not only Team Red, but also more important the even rarer Team Purple for those of us who own, test, compare and enjoy both AMD and Intel at the same time. We meet every Wednesday at the local Dennys. 🤣 (You also have a bit more insight as to why my RGB color scheme is routinely purple FYI)

Same... beast mode in red and blue now, at least for the time being. Will see where Intel takes us. https://hwbot.org/submission/5686765_ Well... enough of the AIO. I installed the Heatkiller IV Pro block with some cooling line extensions (temporary) on QD3 fittings to connect to the same cooling system as the Apex. That way I do not need the entire system dedicated to one machine. Will do something more permanent later. This is still for testing. I must have overtightened the block because this was intially unstable until I backed off all four thumb nuts about 1 turn each. I also pulled the stock heating blankets off the RAM and dropped the memory temps about 10°C with them naked. My memory jackets for water cooling the RAM are on order, but are coming from China and make take a week or two. I already had the Bykski 4-DIMM block for the top from my DDR4 days.

Hey guys. If you haven't seen this benchmark tool, check it out. I saw it on a Buildzoid video. https://github.com/clamchowder/MicrobenchmarksGui/releases/tag/v0.000006 It can be used to benchmark system RAM bandwidth and latency, and GPU VRAM when copying from CPU to GPU and GPU to CPU memory.

The 9950X3D with the improved cache die layering and 3d vcache on both CCDs could be the most interesting high end enthusiast chip for a while.

just for the record intel can kiss mine....... this is is how you get intel stable.......

Whoa..... never saw that coming! But I kind of like it because they're not really established in the premier/OC space at all and he wouldn't have to fight the culture change to his vision at say Asus or MSI. "K|NGPYN" - I can see it now. 🙂 And if he is with PNY, my 5090 will be a PNY too.

Nearing 8000 in steel Nomad on the 7900xtx. Vbios makes all the difference 💪 https://hwbot.org/submission/5584594_raiderman_3dmark___steel_nomad_dx12_radeon_rx_7900_xtx_7996_marks

Happy Father's Day. I hope all of you that are a dad, or have one, or both, have a nice day.

Amazon Warehouse MSI AI1300 has arrived. Looks and smells brand new. Box was hammered a bit. If you see on the news a small domicile going all Chernobyl in Jersey later you will know it has failed spectacularly during testing....

Snapshot of the current configuration Birds eye view A much too large NVME heatsink that keeps it running at 32c. I noticed here that the PSB was beginning to bend where the pcie clip is, addressed it later. NVME to PCIE adapter, also put some thermal pads to counter the bending of the PCB from progressing. PCIE extension ribbon, mocking up how I want to mount things. Locking it in, later moved the frame to the end. Now running an ITX motherboard with a spare pcie slot thanks to NVME. How the desk is more or less set up, some cable clean up has been done since then. Nightingale "Doing it Wrong" 5800X3D @ 4.45Ghz Aorus ITX WiFi x570 32GB 3200Mhz 2TB GM7000 (OS + Games) 2TB Micron 1100 (Games) 1TB mSATA to SATA Samsung 860 EVO (Offline Games) RTX 3090 +100c/+1300m NVME to PCIE adapter + Extension PCIE 3.0 ribbon LSI 9300-16i 5x 4TB HDD 2x 3TB HDD 1x 5TB HDD 4x 2TB HDD Everything was plug and play, kind of just happen to have all the right material to make it work out the way I wanted. CPU fans are also pointed inward so as to push air through the NVME heatsink and by extension the 3090 backplate. NVME tends to only sit at 32c and my junction temp (3090) tends to peak around 84-86c.

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/47636486 Broke 14k in timespy. Just hard hitting into the 0.9V limit on the mobile 3080.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/47560084/spy/24164806# Really quick and dirty first run.

here we go boiiiiizzzzz! Granite Ridge Zen 5 CPU support in new Asus Beta Bios versions *w00t w00t* https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-x670-agesa-1-1-7-0-update-enables-initial-support-for-zen5-granite-ridge-cpu-series already got myself the latest 2005 for my X670EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 😛 😄

I don't have WoW, but here's this. CP2077 4K w/ RT and PT SOTR 4K w/ Highest Graphics settings Looks like I need to do something about the memory temperatures. The memory chips must need thicker pads. The core max is 61°C but the memory junction is 90°C. But, it runs 3350+ on core with no issues. (I have not tried higher than that.)

My $600 equivalent (when you account for VAT) 9070 XT arrived EDIT: PCI-E Gen 5 on a riser no issue. Stock https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/127667606 100mv undervolt stock clocks https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/127668715

I managed to get a close to MSRP 9070xt reaper from powercolor that fits in my case. It will arrive tomorrow 😊

I received my 4090 laptop in the mail today. This was purchased with funds intended for an RTX 5090. However, since the RTX 5090 does not actually exist, (I’m not really near any local stores to really buy one) so I just gave up with trying to buy one online, and moved on with life. With my job, I’m finding my self having to stay at my desk 7a-7p. It’s paying well. But getting promoted to an operations manager requires me to play at a level of pure beast mode/be the best mode/no excuses allowed. 😂 So, I really needed a laptop for constant monitoring and check-in’s etc. First impressions: incredible panel! 😱 .. It’s just like OLED, maybe even better sometimes since it’s 1,000 nits bright and all.. No back light bleeding anywhere, I don’t even see any glowing at all. It’s 250Hz/ 16:10 aspect ratio, and 2560x1600/ Mini LED. So it’s really beautiful! You can run the brightness on 5% and it looks perfectly normal brightness like a regular monitor lol. CPU: 14900HX, feels very fast just using the machine. With fans silent it’s idling about 55-60c while downloading a game on Steam. With fans at 100% it’s not too bad. It’s LOUD! But the pitch and tone of the noise doesn’t make it annoying at all. It’s just noisy. But not annoying. GPU: Haven’t really gotten an opportunity to really use it just yet. But I’m expecting good things. It’s a 175w 4090 Mobile. Performance: So, I’m not expecting 4090 desktop power here obviously. But, it has DLSS3, and Frame Gen, and it’s 2560x1600! If my old 3090 Kingpin had frame Gen, I’d have never sold it! These are amazing features to have. Since Nvidia and AIB’s a like just recently killed the affordable gaming market for average people like me all together, buying a 4090 laptop seemed like the only way to go. Since even a RTX 5090 laptop MSI Raider will set you back an eye watering $5,000+ after taxes. Value: It’s a $2,000 dollar laptop. So, I think it’s going to offer a great value for what you get. A whole computer capable of decent gaming performance that is portable. Overall: This is a BIG laptop being 18 inches. I’ve never owned an 18” laptop before. The screen doesn’t feel like I’m squinting or leaning forward to find things like my last 15” laptop. And the 16:10 offers a little more desktop space to get things done. I really like the machine.

Always measure results, not marketing information. I am interested if the consistency (viscosity) is better and anticipate the cooling will be what it always is for liquid metal. Darn it, you caught me. I need to update the logo.

The latency killer feature MSI added to the UEFI seems worthless to me. It seems to only offer value if a person is using an XMP/EXPO profile, which seldom ever produces impressive memory performance. This EXPO Trident Neo definitely works better (for some reason) than the equivalent XMP kit. Maybe the IC bin quality is better, or maybe the SPD firmware is different or AMD-specific JEDEC. But, I am not using the EXPO profile, only manual settings. This would be so much easier and better with a 2-DIMM motherboard. It's so sad the only great option for that on AMD is getting screwed over paying new retail price for a used X670 Gene motherboard that might have something wrong with it. I finally received the RAM jackets from China, so I will be pulling off the trash stock G.SKILL heatsinks heating blankets and getting this RAM under water like my Intel systems. The memory temperatures with the trash G.SKILL covers are just so lousy (actually cooler even naked, but ugly to look at). I received the parts ordered from Thermal Grizzly, so maybe tonight or tomorrow I will decapitate the 9950X, test the TG heatspreader, then remove that and install the Mycro. I ordered a heatspreader to compare the thermal difference between that and bare die. Just for curiosity, in case I am ever asked I will know the answer.

(While visions of 5090's and Taichi x870e equipped 9950X3Ds float through my head)

Ah what a roller-coaster it's been. Bought Z790 + 14900K to replace 10980XE + X299 Returned 14900K and bought 12700K as stop-gap for Z890. Bought Core Ultra 9 285K on release with no MB. Returned the Core Ultra 9 285K, sold Z790+12700K system. Bought Xeon W7-3465X + W790 ASUS SAGE MB and the money has been draininngggggggggg But so happy I'm back in HEDT land...lol Just a teaser, I'm probably gonna need liquid cooling instead of my Noctua cooler. This is exactly what I am experiencing. Especially with the Optane P5800X drive. Everything feels so smooth.

Have to fully agree on power draw. Been testing this 9800X3D with PBO +200 and -15 C0 and in BF2042 and 1080p low for max fps, it's pulling 135-140w package with temps hitting 75-85c. That is a heater compared to my 24 core 285K chip that pulls the same power, nearly exact same power, and runs around 50-60c. The memes about Intel temps in this care are completely fabricated as I expected. Power does not equal core temps, it equals room temps. But unfortunately these tech dummies push this narrative that your chip is melting and will fry itself. The only chip near melting is my new 9800X3D lol. I'll have to see what I can do to improve the temps. On a side note, apparently there is now confirmation were getting Zen 6 on AM5 in late 2026 or early 2027. So that is awesome. I'm wondering if we won't get a Zen 5 refresh before that, that would be wild. Maybe improve the IMC. So far, I am glad I built the AM5 rig, I like the ability to test both brands and the chip is an absolute monster for punching out FPS in many games. Now I'm wondering do I swap it into my main rig? The idea of 8 cores as a daily driver makes me want repulsed lol. 2018 called, they want their 9900K back.

I know a lot of people think brother @Papusan and @Mr. Fox are bat-poop crazy for hating on Winduhz 11 so hard, especially newer versions, (also including the newer Windoze 10 cancer,) but we actually do our homework. If performance was better we would actually be using it as our preferred OS. The ugly part is subjective and fixable. Try as we may, people are still going to think we are nuts and form their own misinformed opinions and continue to believe the lies that it works better. Well, bless their hearts. The only way to know is to test. All of my systems boot multiple operating systems and it immediately becomes as plain as the nose on your face which one sucks when you can reboot and run the same tests back-to-back among OS versions and watch the newer ones reveal their suckiness. It leaves no wiggle room for speculation on which one deserves the most hate. CPU and memory performance have declined and degraded with newer OS versions. Graphics performance sometimes improves and sometimes regresses. That part is inconsistent. The Redmond Retards add silly gimmick features to entice gamers into running their crappy cancer OS and pray nobody notices what a steaming deep dish colon loaf it is. And, guess what? Most of the gamerboys don't notice. No, my surprised look is not on my face. Us old farts know what we're talking about most of the time. Windows 11 is a pile of crap. Even Jufus the potty mouth has documented that the claims that newer versions of Winduhz run better is a load of crap. Even as recently as the 9900/9950X release he debunked the excuses that AMD fanboys were making that Windoze 11 needed an update for the new CPU to work right. I generally view the opinion that newer OSes work better as a sign of inexperience and ignorance. Some smart people believe that and it is probably because they make assumptions rather than exercising due dilligence and testing, or they are not doing the right tests. Even if the latest cancer OS performed exactly the same as every version before it, who wants to own a zombie computer and have the Redmond Reprobates stealing data and making all of the decisions about what happens with the OS? Hard to believe there are many otherwise intelligent people that drink that Kool-Aid. Letting Micro$oft decide what happens is essentially a plan for failure if you like the idea of having a system perform at its best. Believing the next update or version release of Winduhz will improve performance is utterly insane, and contrary to historical evidence that suggests the complete opposite should be expected. It will be interesting to play with the 9950X and discover what my opinion will be in the end. Parts arrived yesterday so I will install them today or tomorrow. I'm not sold on 3D v-cache being all that, but probably because I am not a gamer and don't value that as much as gamers do. It is good that 9800X3D is not as terrible at productivity as its predecessor. The idea of buying an 8-core CPU doesn't really do anything for me other than invoking a feeling of disgust. That seems very lame to me by current standards, kind of like saying 8GB of RAM is enough. It might work, but it's barely adequate for much more than email and web surfing. For the same reason, I was offended that the Core Ultra 9 flagship was downgraded to 24 threads from its predecessor's 32-thread i9 flagship and I didn't like the 285K before it released for that reason alone. I was surprised that it didn't perform worse than it does, but losing 8 threads and having lower boost clocks with less P-core overclock headroom is a downgrade to me no matter what angle I choose to look at it. It would be hard for me to find something to be happy about because of both of those things. I never like the concept of doing more with less. That always rubs me the wrong way no matter where the concept is applied. Looks like I lucked out on the 9950X purchase. It is now sold out at NewEgg and I purchased it for $110 less than launch price. Maybe Core Ultra 9 adopters will get lucky with a similar price drop in a couple of months.

Took advantage of the Newegg trade in deal. $380 for my 14900KS SP105. Newegg has combo available for 9800X3D and X870E Hero for $999.99. I got free overnight shipping too. Grand total after my trade in was $619.99 + $62 tax. Not bad for a brand new 9800X3D and X870E Hero. O ya, it will be here tomorrow and saves me a trip to Microcenter.

That might be when I test the water. Depends on what they do. I'm always watching though. If any stones need to be cast (at either Team Red or Team Blue) I will throw them as hard as I can. There is no mercy for selling lackluster components or buggy crap.

I'd be somewhat excited if they were talking about a super efficient variant for specific laptops but everything else? Nah.... I was hoping with 285k and it running a least more efficient along with the 7800/9800 X3D variants we would see the return of proper DTRs or at least one model but the NH55 really does seem to be the end of the road for desktop CPU support. 😞 As I was adding up the pricing of the 285k, a decent motherboard and CU Dimms, I was quickly over $1300 and climbing. I just went, "whoa whoa whoa...." Toss in a 5090 and suddenly I'm looking at $3k+ and most likely 3.5k+. Plus I still have my complete other AM5 system I'm holding onto besides having sold my Powercolor 7900XTX. Since my daughter abandoned it (lol), I'm going to rebrand it into an anime themed chassis and that leaves open the chance to slap in a 9800X3D or 9950X3D to play around with in the future. Right now, it is rocking a 7600x. If my daughter suddenly gets the urge to play something else, I can always swap in another GPU as needed. I just want to keep at least one AM5 platform in the house going "just in case" Unless someone offers a decent price, I'm going to ride my 4090 up to and through the first part of getting a 5090 and eliminating bad samples/coil whine units till i get something decent. 2+ yrs of solid service from the 4090 can't be beat. Then it has to provide a real, tangible upgrade in 4k from the 4090 calculating in not much uplift from CPUs (9000 X3D testing of course needed). From there, I might slap it in my wife's system to upgrade her 3080 10gb which would be pretty monstrous. Or when all is said and done, I might ride it to the 6090! 🤣

I went ahead and grabbed me a 265K/Apex Z890 as well.

Go time boys.

Dominus+3175X+128GB Samsung B-Die is ALIVE!!!! Same OS and everything LOL. I love it! I did not experience a cold bug at all. XMP 3200c14 loaded on all 128GB very first try. 😎

I wouldn't shed too many tears for tech workers in Silicon Valley. I've lived in the Bay Area for 40 years now, and these tech workers will find new jobs, probably with more pay, within a few weeks. That's one great advantage of living in a place like this - plenty of competition among employers. I've had numerous friends who got laid off during the various 'tech layoffs', only to find a better, higher paying job very quickly. Also, people forget the flip-side; these companies go on big recruiting binges (the easier it is to fire, the more likely they are to hire without restraint). The Semiconductor industry is on a roll right now, with companies like NVidea unable to meet demands for AI-related GPUs. The people who need our sympathy are people in minimum-wage jobs, people working basic jobs to put food on the table, or provide medical insurance. Employers like McDonalds and Walmart will keep the workers' hours under the limits where they have to provide insurance benefits, and/or fire them when they get close to eligibility for such benefits - those are the scumbags.

AM5 poor memory clocking.......... More like poor memory over clockers. I'll handle this soon 😉

The 3090 Ti FTW3 Black arrived. It is an EVGA refurbished and looks like brand new. Looks fantastic in the A21 case and runs nice.

I have seen this instance (not aware of the previously mentioned thread off the top of my head) and have thinking on it for a little while. While there was certainly quite a bit of excitement surrounding the LGA + MXM aspects of mobile tech, its EOL use cases arent the reason we created this forum. We created the forum because I wanted to stay in touch with as many members of NBR who were active as well as try to maintain the culture that the forum had. There will be some changes that will be required of its members to acknowledge which will irritate some Im sure but it will diversify the content which will allow the forum to show up on more searches. While members like @Mr. Fox and @Papusan are very vocal about their positions you also have quite a bit more members like @jaybee83 and @electrosoft who are much more mild in their approaches. Both are perfectly viable and welcome! There isnt an inherit limitation on the forum to only have dialogue surrounding laptops. If there is any topics that you may want to bring to the table but unsure if its permissible there isnt any reason to not reach out to me. At the moment we are working on some things in the backend so we can test some of things we have been pondering about for a while, Im hoping that this will bear fruit for those interested in the near future.

starting to pull in and tune crap.

The RTX4090 landed today. And I love it. Massive step down in quality compared to my Suprim-X. But I don’t mind. No fires or melted connectors so far, even getting close to 600 watt GPU power with an overclock in Nomad bench and some games. I run this same little MSI Gen5 PCIe dinky PSU, with a single power cable for the GPU, and it’s performing like a champ! Even powering (5) D5’s, Z790 Apex, 14900KS, and a 4090! That tiny little 1KW PSU gets it done without making a sound. (Quick peek behind the desk reveals the tank and chiller) 😄

shoot, had connection issues and my reply got lost.... anyways, long story short: - X670 vs. X870 are basically identical, the latter only has higher-end minimum requirements set by AMD - IO die was stated to be "overall the same" on Zen 5, but that leaves wiggle room for finetuning, i.e. higher real life benefits from higher DDR5 speeds - im expecting improved RAM support to come from the CPUs, not the mobos (notwithstanding 2 DIMM / higher-quality trace boards, but that goes for both X670 and X870) - ive since switched basically all my high-intensive CPU workloads to the GPU, so im more open minded to at least consider the X3D skus this time around. ill take my time and check the reviews first before making a purchase. good thing is, once the X3D chips are released, the regular chips will likely fall in price, so no real loss 🙂 (ill still pull the trigger on the 5090 on launch day tho 😄 wait and see game will be CPU only 😛)

LOL. I saw this posted on Discord. 🤣

I was finally able to get the little munchkin on bare die. This reduced the core max 8 to 10°C over the already delidded CPU with a lapped core and IHS on liquid metal. I could see this being easily an 18 to 20°C improvement over a stock soldered IHS. There aren't many SFF systems capable of what this one is. Heck, it's better than most full-size builds, LoL. I am really impressed with what EKWB did here.

Tuned 12th beat down 5800X3D. 7800X3D trumps stock 13th/14th gen Tuned 13th/14th gen can go toe to toe with tuned 7800X3D depending on games "Gear 4" on 7000 is basically a bandwidth e-peen contest at this point with no, real tangible gains on the level of Intel in the same boat. After testing those sweet 8000 sticks I bought from @Raiderman for a month I sold them as they really didn't do much in regards to tangible performance uplift in real world usage for my case usage. After testing both side by side for over a month (during and after I got my MSI X670E Carbon back from MSI for RMA), I was perfectly fine with either. Only thing was Intel sucked down a lot more power to achieve competitive results. Seeing as 9000 series as is won't beat the 7800X3D (Unlike 7000 vs 5000 where the 7600x is basically on par with the 5800X3D), I'll wait for Arrow Lake and the X3D parts to drop and hold steady while @Raiderman and @jaybee83 snatch up 9950X3D's to give us some up close and personal results especially as @Raiderman plans to uograde to an X870e Taichi along with it so I'm looking forward to those results. If down the road I end up getting a 9950X3D, I'm going to move my 7950X3D into my daughter's rig or upgrade the wife's 12900k rig. 🙂 That's exactly what I do. I go into the BIOS and turn off the non X3D chiplet when testing for gaming and sometimes for gaming outright because even with PL and GB, WoW will still drift onto the non-X3D cores and in raids and PvP, that induces an immediate lag spike/stutter. There is a part of WoW where you fly through a cavern and with both CCDs enabled, it stutters and lags at the very same spot. Enable only the X3D chiplet and there is no lag/stutter in that spot. I would very much like to see a 9950X3D with 3D cache on both CCDs as the rumors are saying AMD is bringing many refinements and enhancements to the X3D process this time around versus the "slapping it on" with the 5000 and 7000 series..... .....of course AMD also lead us to believe the 7900XTX was going to have double the count of CUs versus actually only having double the count of FP so we will see (I'm still salty about that lol)

LOL i seee what ure getting at. but read below. based on current trends in both CPU and GPU, it looks like we are headed into more and more complex territory with regards to theorizing performance metrics just based on specs alone. we started super simple: higher frequency = better then we went down the core road = more cores + IPC + higher frequency = better next we added cache, which became more important (at least in gaming benchmarks) than cores now we are heading into higher fragmentation still, with different core archs / designs, HT alternatives, I/O dies, etc. what im trying to say is: u cannot just state anymore that "more threads via HT is better" or "reach higher frequency = better" or "MOAR CORES = BETTER" etc. same goes for overclocking strats, straightforward set = get will likely be over soon. interesting times ahead!

@Raiderman X870E Taichi looks pretty righteous. I just wish they offered it in a 2-dimmer model Even the Taichi Lite non RGB with less beefy heatsinks looks really nice:

And TSMC want more $$$ from the AI hype. - Will show the Nvidia boss what we are worth TSMC's strongman has complained to Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang, and wants better pay. With a 78 percent gross margin, it should at least be enough to take off. PS. The forum is now almost useless to use. So slow and laggy that this can't be used. Never seen it this slow @Reciever A glimpse into next gen Intel....

It's scary how so many have lost the ability to agree to disagree and remain amicable. Identity politics and extremism on both sides hyper inflated by social media makes it rough waters out there and I've seen life long friendships disintegrate over politics and/or religion. I have numerous friends and loved ones on both sides of the aisle and watching some of their life long relationships with each other obliterated is disheartening. As for hardware, everybody has their own personal criteria and use cases. I do see your fervent argument @Mr. Fox about neutering BIOS because Intel messed up big time and were over zealous with their CPUs in the need to compete and clearly as data has gushed in, Intel sees a need to cap PL/AMPS because they were redlining their chips. I'm all for issuing bios updates that change the default profile to Intel's new recommended spec which is a massive nerf (125w/188w? Wow). What I do not want to see happen is an AMD hardline cap to voltage and allow users to OC as they see fit at their own risk. Imagine someone who dropped serious coin on binned chips and top end motherboards like Encores and Tachyons to purposely overclock suddenly having to make the choice of being capped at the bios level or never being able to update their bios to retain full control over their chip. Lastly, As we enter the end phase of Ada, 4090 reigns supreme but for me this cycle's clear price:performance winner is the 4070 Super:

Really great to find this forum! I was a member of NBR for many years where I posted comments and topics hundreds and hundreds of times. However since it has been years I need to catch up 😂 My NBR profile name was Larry@LPC-DIGITAL