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KP is back....with PNY?! So my next card will be a KP PNY 5090. Never thought I'd writing that.

In case anyone needs it, I've created a simple Windows microcode updater for v129. Works on all 13th & 14th gen Intel systems (Desktop and Notebook) without having to update your BIOS: https://www.reddit.com/r/eluktronics/s/wvXIQYgjoS

here you go. WR single and multi mem scores...... 3000 fclk I'm to lazy to post all FM scores but feel free to search 8500g,8600g,8700g apu scores.....I own the entire suite of benchmarks minus ray tracing benches....i saw no point in a bench that the APU doesn't support feature.....

FedEx showed up, but no 5090’s on the truck. Looked like an unmarked delivery van. Dang…Not looking good. EDIT: FedEx truck came back!!!

Hey Bros. Tomorrow morning I have my first brachytherapy procedure, with the second scheduled for 2/27. So, having me in your thoughts and prayers would be cherished.

I'd like to officially welcome @Mr. Fox and @Talon to not only Team Red, but also more important the even rarer Team Purple for those of us who own, test, compare and enjoy both AMD and Intel at the same time. We meet every Wednesday at the local Dennys. 🤣 (You also have a bit more insight as to why my RGB color scheme is routinely purple FYI)

Same... beast mode in red and blue now, at least for the time being. Will see where Intel takes us. https://hwbot.org/submission/5686765_ Well... enough of the AIO. I installed the Heatkiller IV Pro block with some cooling line extensions (temporary) on QD3 fittings to connect to the same cooling system as the Apex. That way I do not need the entire system dedicated to one machine. Will do something more permanent later. This is still for testing. I must have overtightened the block because this was intially unstable until I backed off all four thumb nuts about 1 turn each. I also pulled the stock heating blankets off the RAM and dropped the memory temps about 10°C with them naked. My memory jackets for water cooling the RAM are on order, but are coming from China and make take a week or two. I already had the Bykski 4-DIMM block for the top from my DDR4 days.

Hey guys. If you haven't seen this benchmark tool, check it out. I saw it on a Buildzoid video. https://github.com/clamchowder/MicrobenchmarksGui/releases/tag/v0.000006 It can be used to benchmark system RAM bandwidth and latency, and GPU VRAM when copying from CPU to GPU and GPU to CPU memory.

The 9950X3D with the improved cache die layering and 3d vcache on both CCDs could be the most interesting high end enthusiast chip for a while.

just for the record intel can kiss mine....... this is is how you get intel stable.......

Whoa..... never saw that coming! But I kind of like it because they're not really established in the premier/OC space at all and he wouldn't have to fight the culture change to his vision at say Asus or MSI. "K|NGPYN" - I can see it now. 🙂 And if he is with PNY, my 5090 will be a PNY too.

Nearing 8000 in steel Nomad on the 7900xtx. Vbios makes all the difference 💪 https://hwbot.org/submission/5584594_raiderman_3dmark___steel_nomad_dx12_radeon_rx_7900_xtx_7996_marks

Happy Father's Day. I hope all of you that are a dad, or have one, or both, have a nice day.

Amazon Warehouse MSI AI1300 has arrived. Looks and smells brand new. Box was hammered a bit. If you see on the news a small domicile going all Chernobyl in Jersey later you will know it has failed spectacularly during testing....

Snapshot of the current configuration Birds eye view A much too large NVME heatsink that keeps it running at 32c. I noticed here that the PSB was beginning to bend where the pcie clip is, addressed it later. NVME to PCIE adapter, also put some thermal pads to counter the bending of the PCB from progressing. PCIE extension ribbon, mocking up how I want to mount things. Locking it in, later moved the frame to the end. Now running an ITX motherboard with a spare pcie slot thanks to NVME. How the desk is more or less set up, some cable clean up has been done since then. Nightingale "Doing it Wrong" 5800X3D @ 4.45Ghz Aorus ITX WiFi x570 32GB 3200Mhz 2TB GM7000 (OS + Games) 2TB Micron 1100 (Games) 1TB mSATA to SATA Samsung 860 EVO (Offline Games) RTX 3090 +100c/+1300m NVME to PCIE adapter + Extension PCIE 3.0 ribbon LSI 9300-16i 5x 4TB HDD 2x 3TB HDD 1x 5TB HDD 4x 2TB HDD Everything was plug and play, kind of just happen to have all the right material to make it work out the way I wanted. CPU fans are also pointed inward so as to push air through the NVME heatsink and by extension the 3090 backplate. NVME tends to only sit at 32c and my junction temp (3090) tends to peak around 84-86c.

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/47636486 Broke 14k in timespy. Just hard hitting into the 0.9V limit on the mobile 3080.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/47560084/spy/24164806# Really quick and dirty first run.

here we go boiiiiizzzzz! Granite Ridge Zen 5 CPU support in new Asus Beta Bios versions *w00t w00t* https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-x670-agesa-1-1-7-0-update-enables-initial-support-for-zen5-granite-ridge-cpu-series already got myself the latest 2005 for my X670EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 😛 😄

I don't have WoW, but here's this. CP2077 4K w/ RT and PT SOTR 4K w/ Highest Graphics settings Looks like I need to do something about the memory temperatures. The memory chips must need thicker pads. The core max is 61°C but the memory junction is 90°C. But, it runs 3350+ on core with no issues. (I have not tried higher than that.)

Opened the box. The 4 small foams in each corners saved the inner box. And as you should know... Asus offer cheapo glossy thin cardboard boxes. There is no class with Asus. They go cheap where they can. Even for their flagship products. The box that come with the HOF is 100 times better. It's just a box... But I'm an collector and prefer to take good care of all my products and in an nice box. Cheap or expensive doesn't matter. A good quality box should be minimum to ask for when you pay this amount money for flagship cards... And for the records... I would be equal happy with a 10 years card. But what I don't like... Pay xx80 prices for xx60 tier cards. Hence you'll never see me buy brand new cards from mid tier class. The 5090 Astral looks like a small xx70 class card vs the monstrous creature 4090 HOF. Hmmm. Nope. It increased the value. Crocs ain't cheap here home😁 And it's time jou buy a pair. And in black😎 What reduce the value of an Asus Astral 5090.... Huang's autograph on the card. Hmmm. Loads of 5070's in the retail here. Every single of them is massively overpriced. The so called market don't work. Gigabyte 5070 at $871.65 without tax. Or better say close to 59% above the MSRP. It seems https://www.proshop.no/Grafikkort/GIGABYTE-GeForce-RTX-5070-AORUS-Master-12GB-GDDR7-RAM-Grafikkort/3331090 Nvidia need to ship 10 times as many cards if the prices shall come back to more normal levels... And not only 5070's. Is this Nvidia's answer on AMD's coming xx60 class cards? And will gamers buy 8GB xx60 cards in 2025? The GeForce RTX 5060 Ti and RTX 5060 have reportedly been delayed until mid-April and May.

Grabbed the ASUS GeForce RTX 5090 ROG Astral LC OC - $2,966.35 USD today. 1 out of 3 card was available for the whole scandinavian market (4 countries). Next delivery of 5090 cards from the retail shops... Unknown. Loads of 5070's is ofloaded today here home. And a few 5070Ti and 5080. I see there is still 3 out of 10 pc of Asus 5080 Astral OC available for purchase here home now 6.5 hour after the slip. $1660 USD. I think Asus have reached the limits what they can sell their 5080 flagship for right now. I doub't they increase the prices in the pace they have done. And no other brands 5080 is listed yet you can buy Asus 5080 cards. That speak loudly about the price point Asus want. As a side note... Gigabyte want $1730 for their best 5080. Not sure what's up with Gigabyte this gen cards. The cards should be delivered to Papusan's plaza within the next 5-7 days. And exactly the card I tried to buy.

I GOT IT!!!! RTX 5090FE on the way! Man, the support of this community and trust of this forum and also overclock.net is pure astounding. I was able to get the funds together and secure my order for a 5090FE at $1,999. Paying more than $1,999 is too much for me. This is very reasonable. Looking back now, I originally had a budget of $2,800 range. Anyways, I think Nvidia saw how much I was hating on them, and they sent the email to see if I’d still bend over for them 😂 (I did of course)

Now without pigtailed connectors lol. Grabbed the corsair type 4 premium single end cables.

My $600 equivalent (when you account for VAT) 9070 XT arrived EDIT: PCI-E Gen 5 on a riser no issue. Stock https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/127667606 100mv undervolt stock clocks https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/127668715

I received my 4090 laptop in the mail today. This was purchased with funds intended for an RTX 5090. However, since the RTX 5090 does not actually exist, (I’m not really near any local stores to really buy one) so I just gave up with trying to buy one online, and moved on with life. With my job, I’m finding my self having to stay at my desk 7a-7p. It’s paying well. But getting promoted to an operations manager requires me to play at a level of pure beast mode/be the best mode/no excuses allowed. 😂 So, I really needed a laptop for constant monitoring and check-in’s etc. First impressions: incredible panel! 😱 .. It’s just like OLED, maybe even better sometimes since it’s 1,000 nits bright and all.. No back light bleeding anywhere, I don’t even see any glowing at all. It’s 250Hz/ 16:10 aspect ratio, and 2560x1600/ Mini LED. So it’s really beautiful! You can run the brightness on 5% and it looks perfectly normal brightness like a regular monitor lol. CPU: 14900HX, feels very fast just using the machine. With fans silent it’s idling about 55-60c while downloading a game on Steam. With fans at 100% it’s not too bad. It’s LOUD! But the pitch and tone of the noise doesn’t make it annoying at all. It’s just noisy. But not annoying. GPU: Haven’t really gotten an opportunity to really use it just yet. But I’m expecting good things. It’s a 175w 4090 Mobile. Performance: So, I’m not expecting 4090 desktop power here obviously. But, it has DLSS3, and Frame Gen, and it’s 2560x1600! If my old 3090 Kingpin had frame Gen, I’d have never sold it! These are amazing features to have. Since Nvidia and AIB’s a like just recently killed the affordable gaming market for average people like me all together, buying a 4090 laptop seemed like the only way to go. Since even a RTX 5090 laptop MSI Raider will set you back an eye watering $5,000+ after taxes. Value: It’s a $2,000 dollar laptop. So, I think it’s going to offer a great value for what you get. A whole computer capable of decent gaming performance that is portable. Overall: This is a BIG laptop being 18 inches. I’ve never owned an 18” laptop before. The screen doesn’t feel like I’m squinting or leaning forward to find things like my last 15” laptop. And the 16:10 offers a little more desktop space to get things done. I really like the machine.

Always measure results, not marketing information. I am interested if the consistency (viscosity) is better and anticipate the cooling will be what it always is for liquid metal. Darn it, you caught me. I need to update the logo.

I have not seen this liquid metal before. Looks very interesting--especially the higher viscosity part--so I ordered some to try the next time I need to take something apart. It seems like over the years that liquid metal formulas have changed and have a lower viscosity than they used to, and I think that makes it more likely to drip or run. (The original Liquid Ultra was much thicker than Conductonaut, then they changed it and made it extra watery.) It looks like they use more indium and silver in their formula. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CJ9QGDFV They have some other products on their web site.

Didn't come out as nice as I had envisioned (hard tubing was hard to bend LOL) but still was a fun build: Just a test at 4.6Ghz:

The latency killer feature MSI added to the UEFI seems worthless to me. It seems to only offer value if a person is using an XMP/EXPO profile, which seldom ever produces impressive memory performance. This EXPO Trident Neo definitely works better (for some reason) than the equivalent XMP kit. Maybe the IC bin quality is better, or maybe the SPD firmware is different or AMD-specific JEDEC. But, I am not using the EXPO profile, only manual settings. This would be so much easier and better with a 2-DIMM motherboard. It's so sad the only great option for that on AMD is getting screwed over paying new retail price for a used X670 Gene motherboard that might have something wrong with it. I finally received the RAM jackets from China, so I will be pulling off the trash stock G.SKILL heatsinks heating blankets and getting this RAM under water like my Intel systems. The memory temperatures with the trash G.SKILL covers are just so lousy (actually cooler even naked, but ugly to look at). I received the parts ordered from Thermal Grizzly, so maybe tonight or tomorrow I will decapitate the 9950X, test the TG heatspreader, then remove that and install the Mycro. I ordered a heatspreader to compare the thermal difference between that and bare die. Just for curiosity, in case I am ever asked I will know the answer.

Ah what a roller-coaster it's been. Bought Z790 + 14900K to replace 10980XE + X299 Returned 14900K and bought 12700K as stop-gap for Z890. Bought Core Ultra 9 285K on release with no MB. Returned the Core Ultra 9 285K, sold Z790+12700K system. Bought Xeon W7-3465X + W790 ASUS SAGE MB and the money has been draininngggggggggg But so happy I'm back in HEDT land...lol Just a teaser, I'm probably gonna need liquid cooling instead of my Noctua cooler. This is exactly what I am experiencing. Especially with the Optane P5800X drive. Everything feels so smooth.

Have to fully agree on power draw. Been testing this 9800X3D with PBO +200 and -15 C0 and in BF2042 and 1080p low for max fps, it's pulling 135-140w package with temps hitting 75-85c. That is a heater compared to my 24 core 285K chip that pulls the same power, nearly exact same power, and runs around 50-60c. The memes about Intel temps in this care are completely fabricated as I expected. Power does not equal core temps, it equals room temps. But unfortunately these tech dummies push this narrative that your chip is melting and will fry itself. The only chip near melting is my new 9800X3D lol. I'll have to see what I can do to improve the temps. On a side note, apparently there is now confirmation were getting Zen 6 on AM5 in late 2026 or early 2027. So that is awesome. I'm wondering if we won't get a Zen 5 refresh before that, that would be wild. Maybe improve the IMC. So far, I am glad I built the AM5 rig, I like the ability to test both brands and the chip is an absolute monster for punching out FPS in many games. Now I'm wondering do I swap it into my main rig? The idea of 8 cores as a daily driver makes me want repulsed lol. 2018 called, they want their 9900K back.

Took advantage of the Newegg trade in deal. $380 for my 14900KS SP105. Newegg has combo available for 9800X3D and X870E Hero for $999.99. I got free overnight shipping too. Grand total after my trade in was $619.99 + $62 tax. Not bad for a brand new 9800X3D and X870E Hero. O ya, it will be here tomorrow and saves me a trip to Microcenter.

That might be when I test the water. Depends on what they do. I'm always watching though. If any stones need to be cast (at either Team Red or Team Blue) I will throw them as hard as I can. There is no mercy for selling lackluster components or buggy crap.

I'd be somewhat excited if they were talking about a super efficient variant for specific laptops but everything else? Nah.... I was hoping with 285k and it running a least more efficient along with the 7800/9800 X3D variants we would see the return of proper DTRs or at least one model but the NH55 really does seem to be the end of the road for desktop CPU support. 😞 As I was adding up the pricing of the 285k, a decent motherboard and CU Dimms, I was quickly over $1300 and climbing. I just went, "whoa whoa whoa...." Toss in a 5090 and suddenly I'm looking at $3k+ and most likely 3.5k+. Plus I still have my complete other AM5 system I'm holding onto besides having sold my Powercolor 7900XTX. Since my daughter abandoned it (lol), I'm going to rebrand it into an anime themed chassis and that leaves open the chance to slap in a 9800X3D or 9950X3D to play around with in the future. Right now, it is rocking a 7600x. If my daughter suddenly gets the urge to play something else, I can always swap in another GPU as needed. I just want to keep at least one AM5 platform in the house going "just in case" Unless someone offers a decent price, I'm going to ride my 4090 up to and through the first part of getting a 5090 and eliminating bad samples/coil whine units till i get something decent. 2+ yrs of solid service from the 4090 can't be beat. Then it has to provide a real, tangible upgrade in 4k from the 4090 calculating in not much uplift from CPUs (9000 X3D testing of course needed). From there, I might slap it in my wife's system to upgrade her 3080 10gb which would be pretty monstrous. Or when all is said and done, I might ride it to the 6090! 🤣

From what I understand, things are really funky now with the NPU and fabric crap but the E-core voltage is adjustable independently from the P-core voltage. The tiled nonsense sure does jack up the memory latency though. Very much like Ryzen in that respect, unfortunately. It is very intriguing while pretty disgusting at the same time. Microcenter get any 285K in stock yet? Seems like this happens every time. The part most in demand isn't available on launch day except in single-digit quantities with merchants, or not even at all. I am still tempted to buy a Taichi OCF. If I do (still not sure I will) it won't be until 285K is available. The Z890 platform looks great and I love a lot of things about that motherboard, but I am not very keen on Core Ultra so far. I don't really give a rat about gaming performance. The compute performance looks really good even though the memory latency looks pitiful compared to Raptor Lake. It is sad that Intel caved in and moved to a glued together mess like AMD. That monolithic design, even with the crappy E-cores, was one of the things that set them apart as superior. Now their part of the belly-buttons and buttholes club, doing what is popular instead of what is good, and stooping to partnering with TSMC. Today Mrs. Fox and I celebrate 38 years of marriage. Seems weird to even say that. Sometimes I forget that I am not 38 years old, LOL.

Go time boys.

The key takeaway from Puget's data is how conservative they set their BIOS settings for both Intel and AMD. I.E. Puget sells workstation PCs where longterm stability is the selling point, performance is likely second or third. AMD's 7000 series is a furnace with default settings just like Intel's initial "let the mobo makers choose whatever they want" settings. I stated in the past few years that Intel was heading towards catastrophe. This was coming from me at a time when I was a proud self-proclaimed Intel fanboy. Admittedly, it was due to my now defunct company and having some direct contact with Intel. I saw the writing on the wall when the reps we were dealing with were changing every 4 to 6 months. Sure TO is high in consumer CS roles, but B2B reps generally stick around for years until promoted. Intel will make it through this but they will be vastly different than they are now. I won't be surprised when they go fabless just like AMD.

The 3090 Ti FTW3 Black arrived. It is an EVGA refurbished and looks like brand new. Looks fantastic in the A21 case and runs nice.

I have seen this instance (not aware of the previously mentioned thread off the top of my head) and have thinking on it for a little while. While there was certainly quite a bit of excitement surrounding the LGA + MXM aspects of mobile tech, its EOL use cases arent the reason we created this forum. We created the forum because I wanted to stay in touch with as many members of NBR who were active as well as try to maintain the culture that the forum had. There will be some changes that will be required of its members to acknowledge which will irritate some Im sure but it will diversify the content which will allow the forum to show up on more searches. While members like @Mr. Fox and @Papusan are very vocal about their positions you also have quite a bit more members like @jaybee83 and @electrosoft who are much more mild in their approaches. Both are perfectly viable and welcome! There isnt an inherit limitation on the forum to only have dialogue surrounding laptops. If there is any topics that you may want to bring to the table but unsure if its permissible there isnt any reason to not reach out to me. At the moment we are working on some things in the backend so we can test some of things we have been pondering about for a while, Im hoping that this will bear fruit for those interested in the near future.

shoot, had connection issues and my reply got lost.... anyways, long story short: - X670 vs. X870 are basically identical, the latter only has higher-end minimum requirements set by AMD - IO die was stated to be "overall the same" on Zen 5, but that leaves wiggle room for finetuning, i.e. higher real life benefits from higher DDR5 speeds - im expecting improved RAM support to come from the CPUs, not the mobos (notwithstanding 2 DIMM / higher-quality trace boards, but that goes for both X670 and X870) - ive since switched basically all my high-intensive CPU workloads to the GPU, so im more open minded to at least consider the X3D skus this time around. ill take my time and check the reviews first before making a purchase. good thing is, once the X3D chips are released, the regular chips will likely fall in price, so no real loss 🙂 (ill still pull the trigger on the 5090 on launch day tho 😄 wait and see game will be CPU only 😛)

I was finally able to get the little munchkin on bare die. This reduced the core max 8 to 10°C over the already delidded CPU with a lapped core and IHS on liquid metal. I could see this being easily an 18 to 20°C improvement over a stock soldered IHS. There aren't many SFF systems capable of what this one is. Heck, it's better than most full-size builds, LoL. I am really impressed with what EKWB did here.

Tuned 12th beat down 5800X3D. 7800X3D trumps stock 13th/14th gen Tuned 13th/14th gen can go toe to toe with tuned 7800X3D depending on games "Gear 4" on 7000 is basically a bandwidth e-peen contest at this point with no, real tangible gains on the level of Intel in the same boat. After testing those sweet 8000 sticks I bought from @Raiderman for a month I sold them as they really didn't do much in regards to tangible performance uplift in real world usage for my case usage. After testing both side by side for over a month (during and after I got my MSI X670E Carbon back from MSI for RMA), I was perfectly fine with either. Only thing was Intel sucked down a lot more power to achieve competitive results. Seeing as 9000 series as is won't beat the 7800X3D (Unlike 7000 vs 5000 where the 7600x is basically on par with the 5800X3D), I'll wait for Arrow Lake and the X3D parts to drop and hold steady while @Raiderman and @jaybee83 snatch up 9950X3D's to give us some up close and personal results especially as @Raiderman plans to uograde to an X870e Taichi along with it so I'm looking forward to those results. If down the road I end up getting a 9950X3D, I'm going to move my 7950X3D into my daughter's rig or upgrade the wife's 12900k rig. 🙂 That's exactly what I do. I go into the BIOS and turn off the non X3D chiplet when testing for gaming and sometimes for gaming outright because even with PL and GB, WoW will still drift onto the non-X3D cores and in raids and PvP, that induces an immediate lag spike/stutter. There is a part of WoW where you fly through a cavern and with both CCDs enabled, it stutters and lags at the very same spot. Enable only the X3D chiplet and there is no lag/stutter in that spot. I would very much like to see a 9950X3D with 3D cache on both CCDs as the rumors are saying AMD is bringing many refinements and enhancements to the X3D process this time around versus the "slapping it on" with the 5000 and 7000 series..... .....of course AMD also lead us to believe the 7900XTX was going to have double the count of CUs versus actually only having double the count of FP so we will see (I'm still salty about that lol)

@Raiderman X870E Taichi looks pretty righteous. I just wish they offered it in a 2-dimmer model Even the Taichi Lite non RGB with less beefy heatsinks looks really nice:

And TSMC want more $$$ from the AI hype. - Will show the Nvidia boss what we are worth TSMC's strongman has complained to Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang, and wants better pay. With a 78 percent gross margin, it should at least be enough to take off. PS. The forum is now almost useless to use. So slow and laggy that this can't be used. Never seen it this slow @Reciever A glimpse into next gen Intel....

Hey everyone, long time no see! I seriously lost total interest in computers lately for a little while. I was only using my system for work and gaming. Like most normal people I suppose lol 😆 but after re-doing my Supercool direct die mount I’ve reeled my self right back in that rabbit hole.

I still have my Red Devil 5700 XT, pushed it to match 1080Ti, at least in some synthetics. Keep it as a just a case card as its not really worth the hassle of selling. The System Administrator at work refuses to believe me when I say Asus makes a decent product but their QA is hot garbage. Nonplot twist, he's got quite a few Asus parts for his main rig.

4080 175w i9 13900k 32gb ddr5 1 tb miniled display.1600p lmao just getting going, havent even figured the wuss out..baby cores. top 3 for gpu score in firestrike best score out of like 40 000 submissions for 4080. im happy enough..this is not a benchmarking laptop. 100c yikes but we all knew this with these gamer girl laptops.(papusan) broke 50k gpu in firestirke Im getting 3080ti desktop performance with this thing in games and with FG in some games its double a 3080. i7 12700k 4080 ddr5 performance outta this sucker in horizon 5. Im getting 170-190fps with dlss set to quality and FG on with extreme settings at 1600p. 76c gpu 90c cpu. I hope the 5k series is a bust now..want my moneys worth

When some of the mainstream YTers try to say faster memory is really a waste and no real gains, then you get B4B who actually does some tuning comparing 6000 vs 8600 for gaming. This is right along the lines of the gains I saw 6000 vs 8000 tuned on my 13900KS + MSI Z790i Edge. The gains are real and substantial especially in WoW.