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The new Threadripper CPU’s are so awesome, been doing some reading on those lately. They have improved IPC so much so, that I do not think it’d be even worth picking up a prior gen Threadripper 7960/7970/7980. This is how the new chips stack up in Cinebench. TR 9960X CB R23: 59,000 stock TR 9970X CB R23: 77,000 stock TR 9980X CB R23: 113,000 stock (People with custom loops are overclocking 9980X 64/128 chips to 5.5Ghz on all cores which is just pure insane to imagine how crazy that is and how over the top beastly) Apparently the 9970X is the sweet spot. Now here’s where it gets interesting. These chips can run fast DDR5. People were already pushing DDR5 6200-7000 with the older 7960x/7970x/7980x. The new Threadripper 9000’s run DDR5 6400 natively and apparently the IMC is worlds better. And they can easily handle DDR5 7200 right out of the box. Tuning will probably net you closer DDR5 8000 or more. What a shame DDR5 prices have gone hay wire. Anyways, AMD Threadripper is sick.

No more stickers! Looks Much better. I don’t know why I have always left those on laptops before.

75ns latency on 265K LMAO. GTFO. Garbage. 60-63ns is a tuned Arrow Lake 265K. Below that is amazing tuning with lottery IMC. But 75ns and that terrible bandwidth, LMAO, straight garbage. Literally tuned the TREFI to 65535 and left the 265K stupid low. Why the F would you do that other than attempting to misrepresent performance? Also heavily agree on the RTX 5090 voltages. It's amazing how good my Surpim SOC clocks with it's default 1.15-1.12v.

Anyone using Liquid Metal needs to try some of the Supercool Liquid Metal. It has changed my mindset completely. The stuff just doesn’t degrade like other Liquid Metal’s do. It doesn’t perform quite as good as Kryonaut Extreme, but longevity is the best I have ever seen with Liquid Metal. And I will easily take the +2c worse temps for better longevity. This is one of the main reasons I have not hard lined my 5090. Radiator Fan speed really doesn’t matter if your delta sucks. And so far I have held 8c@400 watts and 12c@600 watts. This is +565@935mv the fans are all turning 1300rpm which results in a 38c GPU temps, with 30c water. It has already been 3 months since I applied the Liquid Metal. I have re-pasted Liquid Metal so many times, and degraded Liquid Metal so many times. This stuff is really a miracle TIM! I also re-pasted my Acer Predator 18” 4090 laptop with it too. Excellent LM. It’s like the mix is different on this LM, and drying out or any reaction from gallium and air is slowed or doesn’t happen at all. I’ll be curious to see what 6 months looks like. But typically for me at 3 months mark any other Liquid Metal would already be degraded and a loss in temps or instability is present at the previous overclocks.

did you go all out on the vcore of did u do some curve flattening. im wondering if most user reports over on overclock.net with the xoc being super inefficient is cuz they just flash and go full throttle and run into thermal limits right away. i was thinking to fully let the PL loose at 1200W but then manually flatten the V/F curve via AB and check mutliple vcore limits. im sure one can get better results that way. @Mr. Fox any new insights from ur side with XOC vs. Matrix vbios? this. even better if ure still able to snag the older TX-1600 version with 2x 8 pin connectors on the psu end for the two included 12VHPWR cables 😁 although its been going in and out of stock with prices nowhere near its original MSRP. seems to be in high demand, i wonder why.... 😋 @Mr. Fox so i updated my mobo bios to the latest version, this time once through ezflash and second time via bios flashback just to be on the safe side. still cant reach 8000 stable but looks like at 7600 i can go tighter on the timings than before. at this point im suspecting im having a suboptimal mount of the cpu, i remembered that i had some issues installing the arctic freezer III pro onto the cpu, since it only sports two(!) screw points instead of the previous LF II with four. since ill be opening up the case anyways once the wireview pro II gets here, i might as well do another cpu mount and also delid it while at it. maybe using the TG High perf. IHS might help with the mounting, since it sports a larger area and lower overall z height. so much tuning to do, so little time! but still tons fun 😁 and heck yeah, nvidia and amd take ur sweet time with new gpu gens, let the 5090 reign supreme for another 2-3 years, we dont mind 😄

That's fair 🤣 Hopefully it isn't a problematic issue with the PSU design itself but just a faulty model. I wouldn't put it past MSI to issue a newer revision addressing an older problem and replacing them as reported. Intel is actually doing very well on the mobile front. Much more efficient than AMD and quieter. Four AMD laptops I've had pass my way from an iGPU only model to the Raider 7955HX3D variant just had insane fan noise overall because of how the chips operated in laptop form. Desktop continues to get a bad rap and unfairly so at this point IMHO. Until Intel solves their thermal issues, e-cores are here to say. On the upside, each iteration of e-cores get more and more powerful. The jump from Raptor to Arrow was pretty decent. I wouldn't be adverse to the 5090 remaining top dog till 2027. Really get that ROI before we eventually sell them off hopefully like last time and recoup every cent and even make a little on the top. I can see staying put as is at the moment. You put a lot of work into that rig and it is big and beautiful. If it is gaming like a monster at 4k (ditto), keep riding it! Next fall Panther should be a monster along with AM6. One reason I'm trying (emphasize the word "trying") to keep Arrowlake cheap but I know me sooo...... I'll obviously hold onto the 9600 sticks to carry over to whatever drops next.... Did you hold onto any of your DDR5 kits from before or did you sell off everything?

I would be happy to see them not release any new GPUs for another 2+ years. If we pay $2000+ for a halo product it needs to remain on top of everything else for at least 3 or 4 years to be worth it. [Insert vomiting emoji here]

Pushing NGU and D2D have almost no affect on temps or power. Air cooler will be fine if you keep the power limits in check like always.

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Physx support is suddenly back to RTX50 series GPU’s. Very odd seeing this. Only thing I can think, is maybe Jensen him self sat down to play Metro Exodus EE, and was like “WTF Where’s the Phys-X support for my RTX PRO 6000?” And he makes a phone call, and they send him a new driver enabling Phys-X 32bit on Blackwell GPU’s. And he goes right back to playing his game. 😂 I seriously can’t see them enabling this older tech for any other reason. 🤷‍♂️ https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpu-drivers/nvidia-reinstates-32-bit-physx-support-for-rtx-50-series-as-part-of-its-latest-game-ready-driver-rollout-9-titles-included-in-initial-release

https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/hogwarts-legacy Ends on 12/18 Enjoy!

TechSource picked up a Matrix 5090 and it can't memory OC past +275 for some reason while his Astral hits +650 no problem but I am wondering why neither of them can go full tilt memory OC in AB? (Timestamped at memory OC fail point). Couldn't offset at stock as much as the Astral, but that makes sense considering native boost and still landed ~60mhz higher in Heaven bench run and scored higher overall. OC wise it was better at stock voltage, but quite frankly neither one of these cards is worth the scratch IMHO. I loved my Astral for many reasons, but ($3359.99) ~$3400 after tax and BB rewards just didn't sit right. To pick up an open box Vanguard 3 months later for ($1971) ~$2100 when all was said and done after tax with MC discounts and be a much better sample really has altered my expectations going forward with the 6090 whenever it drops. I'll patiently wait and/or take a 6090 for a 60 day spin in the interim during the return window via BB if required like this last cycle ended up being for myself. We all know those 6090s (especially if AI is still here) are going to be min $2299.99 if not higher. I know from personal experience and talking to others, being over qualified is a red flag because most companies assume the job you're willing to take is most likely a stepping stone and as soon as you're afforded, you will move to a better paying position reflective of your skill set / resume. Not that everyone isn't always looking to advance their careers, but those who are over qualified tend to do it more often. The market also continues to tread downward and I expect more layoffs and contraction over the next few years. @tps3443 in current market conditions, depending on what you actually do and its overall market viability/demand, holding tight is the best option atm especially with a young family and a new house but always keep your ear to the ground too.....quietly. I can name several friends and family that were a little vocal/forward facing about looking for another job and their current employer, ah, expedited their job search in the worse way by letting them go.

Oh yeah I agree, I just enjoy dreaming from time to time, I personally cannot afford any of these CPU’s right now lol. Hopefully you find something soon though employment wise. I’m about to be right there with you. I’m ready to move jobs. I’ve been employed with same company for over 5 years now. Have been making the same money for the last 4 years of that, but my qualifications and workloads have changed substantially to doing more and more. It’s just not sustainable anymore.

They do look pretty awesome. All of them. I miss HEDT platforms. The most fun I ever had with overclocking was X299. CPU and memory overclocking was epic. I won't be doing anything with computer stuff until I find work though. Lots of applications out and a couple of opportunities that look very promising. A lot of email generated rejections without an adequate review of my qualifications, most likely based on my age (even though that is illegal). I may end up redoing my resume and dropping out the first 20 years of my career history to keep my age concealed from AI filtering and biased recruiters. Even when I do something in terms of the next upgrade, my preference would be to go back to Intel. My X870E builds are great, but AMD overclocking is pretty darned lackluster compared with Intel, and I really do not care for how AMD handles memory overclocking. So, I will wait and see what Intel drops before making any purchase decisions.

New TRX50 Threadrippers are the absolute best chips available. Intel is supposed to be dropping their equivalent at some point. But nothing yet. I’d want one of the 9970X chips which are 32/64 cores. And don’t forget the Threadripper 9980X 64/128, people are hitting 150,000 in R23 with those chips on air cooling at just 5.1Ghz, and they can push MUCH more on ambient custom water cooling. For $4,500 USD street price. Now, if someone is gaming and needs lots of CPU power, the Threadripper 9980X kinda sucks. Too many cores. And not really viable. Games just don’t handle it as well. I think Process Lasso might fix this though. This is where the 9970X 32/64 comes in, these chips clock super high. And they absolutely throw down in gaming with performance comparable to the standard 9950X Ryzen chip, and some random outlier results with even better performance than the 9950X. This is where the 9970X will outpace the 9980X though. I have seen a comparison and it gets oddly obliterated in the 1% lows. Even in heavy multithreaded loads we see the 9970X pull ahead of the 9980X. This makes the 9980X only about +25% faster on average. So I really think the best balance is 9970X (32/64) I do not recommend the Threadripper pro chips at all for any gaming due to the OCTO channel memory which will double bandwidth, but also double the latency. (who would? lol)😂 I think the entry level TRX50 is excellent with amazing future upgrade ability for YEARS. I love these big brute systems. My current Dominus Extreme and w3175x performs great in gaming and all of my work apps. But that’s the end of the line. There is no newer higher core count drop in CPU which is unfortunate. And that’s where I think a TRX50 motherboard really shines. Someone could snag a 24/48 9960X for now, and in 5 years they could drop in a 9980X when it’s more in range price wise lol.

Absolutely lol. Those cheaper 90's will leak. I have seen some brand-new one's leak if any sideways pressure is applied due to weight of a hose or something, and the swivel gets STIFF. The last time I had one leak, I found a small puddle on the back of my 5090FE when it was on air cooling. The scary thing is, I am still using some of them in my build in random places lol. (Those have not shown any signs if leaking and my loop fortunately holds air, but if I could go back I probably would not have used the cheaper 90’s) @Reciever Maybe add another pump D5 with the basic top only in the near future in case one fails. The extra pressure and flow allow you to not depend on running 1 single pump at 100% for good performance. Those big rads like flow. Then you can run more pumps and lower speeds or on a PWM profile. Mine are setup where all (4) pumps fall to 20% speed when the CPU is below 50c. If CPU goes over 50c, it means my GPU is pushing some frames, or I am running a load lol. With 1 pump, you can run it on the auto/lower PWM RPM, let the water temp reach equilibrium under a full system load, then unplug the pumps PWM, the pump will shoot up to max RPM or max flow rate. You will then see the temps drop on all of your components. This alone tells us more flow will be beneficial. My system still does this with (4) pumps all running at a lower speed on auto with PWM plugged in. Then if I crank them to 100%, I will see everything fall in temps. That's a nice kit you have assembled in the cart though!

There is not, but I cannot count the tubes of standard liquid metal I have used over the years. And it does not last long. Of course it will last some time, but it loses its cooling ability. And the first sign is loss in stability. It feels just like degradation.

Does this more or less cover all the bases? Thanks again @Mr. Fox!

Quick update on where things stand and honestly, the market’s taken another turn for the worse in just the past few days. It’s not just RAM anymore. Everything upstream is getting hammered. Even copper futures spiked hard, which tells you all you need to know about where the manufacturing and logistics chain is heading. When raw materials start jumping like that, everything that depends on them follows: PCBs, power delivery, cabling, server chassis, networking hardware, all of it. The pricing pressure we’re seeing from Dell isn’t isolated. It’s a symptom of a bigger storm that’s been building quietly for months. AI build-outs have vacuumed up supply, fabs are oversubscribed, and now even the industrial commodities behind the hardware are taking hits. That’s a perfect recipe for a market where consumers, pro-summer, small businesses, labs, repair shops, everyone getting squeezed hard. And the worst part is the feedback loop; higher costs mean fewer purchases, fewer purchases mean lower volume, lower volume means even higher per-unit costs. This snowball is rolling downhill fast, and unless something breaks the cycle, we’re all about to pay “entry fees” for basic compute that would’ve sounded insane five years ago. the trend is obvious; we’re heading into a hardware market where everything costs more, performs the same, and arrives slower. The timing couldn’t be worse.

This is what I am looking at for the moment. Looks like I wont be able to get in to me quite some time though...

Yeah, that's the thing. Those timings are trash still, BUT even with them the 265k has better overall 1% and .1%. First thing I did was think, "tuned properly, how much even better will the lows be?" Clearly a base X3D owner and that's ok but you have to give equal love. As for Voltages and 5090, more fuel for the higher voltage fire being a factor: I think that with the release more of the Matrix vBIOS than the XOC, we're really seeing even air cooled cards pulling ahead with higher voltage from factory. The argument that lower voltage cards are more efficient while higher voltage cards have more OC capability has merit. Between @Mr. Fox , @tps3443 and @Raiderman, you're in good hands @Reciever!

So I am at a bit of an impasse. Just been working 14 hour days this past month all the way up to my vacation (which was almost canceled lol). I don't like when people do this to me but here I am about to do the same. I am hoping to build a water loop for my Red Devil 7900 XTX, it's been 15 years since my last Waterloop not sure where to buy these things anymore. I'd like to get the 1080mm UT45/60 and alpha core block just not sure about the rest. Does the UT45/60 have mounting points for res and pump? Does it need a kit for that sort of thing? As payment for troubling you all I'll take plenty of pictures of the build log. I am based in the US, Texas, 76001 I know @Mr. Fox gave me some good info before I still have it favorited. I'd like to get everything purchased by tonight if possible. Thanks in advance everyone

In regards to voltages and 5090s, in the same vein as I was asking awhile ago here about subjecting naturally lower voltage cards to forced, higher voltages via EVC2 or now with the XOC. There is a reason cards are coming off the fab binned at various voltages and qualities: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9800X3D vs 265k at all thee resolutions (1080p, 1440p, 2160p) Pay particular attention to the 1% and .1% across all the results: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is there a review out on this stuff comparing it to other pastes along with other LMs and PTM?

Some improvement. Passed 46000 in 3DM Port Royal http://www.3dmark.com/pr/3741688 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5937563?recalculate=true&matomoUri=%2F%2Fmatomo.hwbot.org%2F Ungine Heaven Superposition 8K https://benchmark.unigine.com/leaderboards/superposition/1.x/8k-optimized/single-gpu/page-1 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/unigine_superposition_-_8k_optimized/submissions/5937600?recalculate=true&matomoUri=%2F%2Fmatomo.hwbot.org%2F

I wish I could say that I had a surprised look on my face, but they have always been a very dishonest company when it comes to standing behind the overpriced products that they sell. Sadly, there are other brands that are similarly dishonest and unworthy of any respect. Very few PC component manufacturers have been honorable and trustworthy companies, and that is one of the main reasons it was so sad when EVGA decided they were done. https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/cinebench_-_2024/submissions/5935696

The Matrix vBIOS with the EVC2 is a more sane approach. I do not think anyone is getting better results with the XOC firmware. I think it causes a loss of efficiency that ends in diminished results. It could be the CPU mount or even the CPU having a weak IMC. The 9950X3D that I returned for a refund could not even train or POST using memory overclock settings that work with both of my systems with other CPUs.

For those that are in it for PC gaming, it can always be taken for granted that whatever the most powerful GPU is there will not be any games that require something more powerful. System requirements are almost always very far below top tier GPUs, otherwise not enough people would purchase the games. So, if 5090 remained the most powerful option for something crazy, like 10 years, it would still play any and all games better than anything else. The pursuit of new purely for the sake of its newness is extremely stupid and needed to stop before either of us were born. I'd be totally OK with that. GPUs are priced so idiotically that new SKUs and refreshes with microscopic improvements should no longer be welcomed or embraced by anyone. It would also ultimately benefit AMD, NVIDIA and Intel. They would not need to spend nearly as much money on marketing or product development. Just keep churning out the same thing for 5 or 10 years and laugh all the way to the bank. If they released new products on a 5-year or 10-year cycle that offered a 100%+ performance improvement they would not be able to produce enough to satisfy demand.

MSI issued an RMA for that PSU that is having the low voltage issue. Hopefully I get a working unit back.

Yup that also works. But the HW reviewers at HardwareLux did the same. The card melted anyway😀 But I guess, the chances for wear out being better if you do it that way. Worse if you want put the card in the box while you use your other cards. The tiny connector is trash!

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Microcenter 9070xt return story and some nice information on GPU checking and return procedures: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So all is well that ends well. Made the trip back up to MC St Davids to return that 9070xt and found out a few things. I had asked how a defective / non working card had slipped out for sale and how two more open box Challengers showed up for sale the next day. The rockin' tech assist associate let me know exactly how everything works. The one I bought had been shipped to their main return hub in Ohio from another store as a return then redistributed to the St David's store which means they do send out refurbs/returns that are supposed to work and seed them to stores to resell. You can tell if it is a main hub open box/refurb item (any item) with the green sticker on the side along with a marking. Sales associate pointed it out to me. If the card is returned as defective/not working and verified as such, the card gets marked down as defective and sent to ohio. Ohio then contacts the main companies for replacements/repairs. If they get back a new card in return, it goes back in new stock. If they get a refurb, it goes in as a refurb. Either way, they are then seeded back out to the various MC branches. What this means is you will never return an open box item that won't eventually be sent back to Ohio main returns and then reseeded to various MC stores. As such, there is near zero chance for you to return an item in the hopes of repurchasing it as an open box status. The problem with mine is it wasn't marked "defective" when returned (original new buyer probably just thought it was incompatible) but even then the main hub is supposed to check all cards for working status before shipping out open box / refurbs. Probably Amazon Renewed/warehouse magic where it is assumed it is working and just a return and they didn't check it at all. The receiving MC does not check the working status of open box / refurb items received since they are supposed to have been checked by Ohio main. On the other hand, the original store that took the return was SUPPOSED to check it before sending it to Ohio either way and they failed to do that. St. Davids immediately checked it even when I said, "it is dead. Get ready to see your VGA diagnostic light fire up white" A few seconds later after plugging it in I heard the tech chuckle and go, "yup, there's the VGA fail light in all its glory." 🤣 Refund immediately issued. It wasn't St David's fault but the original store who took the return and failed to plug it in and check it and Ohio mains for not checking it too. I did ask if for open box purchases can the customer request a quick check to make sure it at least posts and he said sure. I will keep that in mind next time. Thanks for attending my Ted Talk.....

So I ended up snagging a pair of V-Color 9600 2x24GB DDR5 off of eBay new from a seller I've dealt with before In today's market conditions, couldn't beat the price of $489.99 plus I had two coupons for eBay (basically, "you haven't shopped us in a long time!" coupons) for $15 off and $10 off respectively. I was able to use both of them knocking it down to $464.99 for a total of $495.80 shipped and with ebay rewards, that knocks another $15 off of it making it $480.92 to my door. Am I doing backflips? No, but much better than those G.Skill sticks that would have been $650.40 to my door.....still..... This is *exactly* why I try to avoid new platforms because once I start it gets ugly real fast. 🤣 Remember 11th gen? I was just going to pick up a 11700k and the cheapest Z590 board and use my dirt cheap DDR4 sticks to "give it a whirl." Within 4 months, it is several 11900k's binned, Asus Z590 board and EVGA Z590 along with multiple kits of DDR4.... I'd like to say I won't end up binning some 285k/290k chips, but that would be most likely a big ole fib....🤣

Beach Boys My older sister used to play them all day long :O) ps, those happy songs in the US, as the Vietnam war raged.

The distro plates are nice if you are using a case. If you are not, then just skip it and do a couple of Core 100 unit that include the pump and save your money. Pumps can be horizontal or pump down (toward floor) but never pump toward the ceiling. They can be anywhere in the loop but work best on the radiator output side, or one (or more) on the cold output (high pressure side) and one on the retun side. Generally speaking, you do not want all of the pumps between the PC and radiator on the return (hotter and lower pressure) line. Stop and visualize the layout. Grab a paper and pen and sketch it out to plan how many fittings you will need. You will need at least two compression fittings for each joint: 2 per hose on each pump, 2 for each radiator, 2 for each filter. 2 for the CPU block. 2 for each GPU block. In terms of 90° or 45° fittings, that will depend on how your build is designed. You will probably want 2 90° fittings for the GPU block. You will likely want at least one for each pump. You will probably want a minimum of 4 of these. In a close case you would likely want more because of sharp turns. They are not necessary for anything other that having a tidy build or if you need to make a sharp turn without kinking the tubing. Air will collect in the highest point of the loop. The reservoir at the place with the most pressure in the loop will overflow with the plug removed. More often than not, this high pressure point will be where water first enters the computer, at either the GPU or CPU block. The lowest pressure will usually be on the return (hot) line leaving the PC and returning to the radiator. Watch when you fill the loop and see which one empties and which one fills up first, the disconnect power from the pump that overflows and leave the plug in until the loop is full. Once the loop is full, reconnect power to it. Set everything up on your table or desk before cutting the lines. Place the case/bench where you want it and the radiator where you want it. This can also help you plan how many fittings you need. Make sure it is satisfying and convenient how everything is placed. Only then should you start cutting the tubing. (This would apply to any setup you build.) You can use a razor blade or scissors, but a cheap tubing cutter works best to make quick, straight and clean cuts. It is better to overestimate the length by an inch or two than to make a line too short. You can trim things down but once you cut the line it can never be longer. The old cliché, "measure twice, cut once" applies here as well as carpentry. Building a custom loop for the first time is expensive, but the parts (other than tubing) will generally be very durable and last many years. You only need to buy most of these things once and use them more or less forever. Most of my D5 pumps have lasted me 5 to 10 years. (DDC pumps are not very durable in comparison.) NEVER power up the loop dry. Without water in the loops the pumps will burn up very fast. EPDM tubing will probably last forever as well. Black silicon tubing also works as well as EPDM rubber, but it is softer than rubber and will kink easier if there is a sharp turn. (They use it for brewery equipment.) As long as the dimension are correct and work with the fittings, you can also use automotive heater hose or fuel line tubing, or bulk PVC tubing (from Home Depot or Lowes) if aesthetics are irrelevant. Those generally have writing printed on them for identification purposes and don't look very nice and are usually very stiff, but functionally work the same. You will learn a lot and have fun. Even the thought of using air cooling has become repulsive to me at this point. The only regrets I have ever had in custom loop building are: Purchasing a DDC pump (D5 are much better) Purchasing black fittings (for reasons mentioned before) Failing to use at least one filter in the loop You have my cell. Feel free to call or text if you want any help figuring things out.

Yes, you should be good to go. If you can afford it, buy the EKWB 90° rotary fittings, as they are more durable. I edited my posts above several times so you may have been shopping between edits. I mentioned the disadvantage of black fittings and suggested a filter (with a link). Edit - @Reciever you may already know this, but on the chance you do not, your flat reservoir cannot be used with the D5 pump facing the ceiling. It has to be used either vertically or with the pump facing the floor or it will hold air and burn out the pump.

I would avoid but then I already got an expensive bios and inept support from them, might as well have burned that money and would have been a lot better off. That aside there are several bios options to choose from, including one that has been mentioned earlier in this thread that even unlocks obscure settings like the ones for the Intel iGPU. I used that version for a while and then switched to the last XMG bios as supposedly it is very stable and with a 10th gen CPU it certainly is. Or add Clevo bios unlocker to your current (non-XMG) bios and you are set, it is mentioned earlier in this thread and there are multiple links in the first post to get you started.

I still vividly remember playing this cd wayy too much Deep Forest - Deep Forest

This is a thing of beauty. Proper touchpad buttons, a touchpad small enough your wrists actually get some room to sit on the palmrest, indicator leds, decent key travel with no useless gaps between keys, fullsize cursor keys, dedicated volume keys, the correct number of copilot keys, no shutterless webcam perving at you 24/7, and all in a decently chonky case that won't break just by looking at it.

Among modern 14" laptops, the ZBook Firefly/Elitebook 845 with the Ryzen 7840U APU is a very solid all-round laptop. Lightweight, all-aluminum body, good screen quality (1080P or 2560P), all components are maintainable by removing the bottom cover, and the 7840U with 780M integrated graphics is a reasonably efficient x86 processor that can handle most anything thrown at it. The Lenovo equivalent is the Thinkpad T14s, which would also be a competent laptop Other issues I'm aware of on 14" business-class laptops: - Power: Dell uses a barrel plug, HP/Lenovo use USB-C. Lenovo has a history of higher-than-average failure of the USB-C port due to cracked solder connection. - Keyboard: Dell's modern latitude keyboards are crap. Cheap/thin/painted plastic keys with low travel and tolerable but mushy feedback. Gone are the days with beveled keys, satisfying key travel, and full-size arrow keys :(. The HP has the same cost-cutting keyboard layout as the Dell (and most modern laptops), BUT the key feedback and dampening feels really good when typing. Lenovo has the best keyboard layout with full-size arrow keys, though typing feel is probably second to HP. - Case: Newer Dell Latitudes use "aluminum-look" painted plastic. Utter crap. HP and Lenovo cases are both very solid in their respective construction. - Battery: Dell/HP second in battery life, Lenovo for longer battery life - Maintainability: Dell/HP have modular components; Lenovo uses more soldered components (typically RAM and Wi-fi)

How much did Jensen pay for the ballroom? I expect US adm also will withdraw the 5090/5090D ban for China. This is just a question of time. Because 5090's is a lot weaker than H200. And if china don't want the H200 I'm sure nvidia would love ship more 5090's over to the "Middle Kingdom". Gamers and creators would love that so they don't need to smuggle in more of the heavily overpriced cards from the grey market, delivered by Nvidia's partners. And for China in general... They will once again gain access to Western technology to build up their defense capability and "will give rocket speed to the Chinese AI industry". Nice. Nvidia reportedly wins H200 exports to China LOL Read... U.S. Attorney Nicholas J. Ganjei for the Southern District of Texas, added: "Operation Gatekeeper has exposed a sophisticated smuggling network that threatens our Nation's security by funneling cutting-edge AI technology to those who would use it against American interests. And now the US Gov Adm will help Nvidia freely to funneling all the cutting-edge AI technology they can make directly into China. How time have changed. Corruption, lobbying and bribery clearly help. US authorities catch 'trafficking network' smuggling $160M of NVIDIA AI chips to China Yup,the 5090's is all too cheap. But increased sales of already mentioned Nvidia graphics cards in China will help Nvidia to change on that. High-capacity DDR5 memory kits now cost more than GeForce RTX 5090

im tending towards the mount, i could do 8000 stable before with this exact cpu :) i only switched out case, fans, cpu aio and updated bios. no changes to the actual hardware. so with bios out of the way that leaves the mount, lets see how it goes.

I know man a 2TB iPhone is pretty wild. People do not believe this, but Verizon had a promotion and the 2TB model was $599.99 over 3yr period. 🤯 Anyways, I don’t think I’m gonna change my rig yet. I play 4K, so I’m always GPU bottlenecked anyways. But I’m gonna be watching the upcoming hardware. The 9950XD2, and 290K, and hopefully Intels new LGA1900 platform? I’m content for now at least.

Yeah. I have been starting to read through the Arrow Lake thread over at OCN. Sounds like G4 is needed over 9000 and its not worth it unless you can really push NGU further. I do not recall what @Talon tested his NGU to clock at but I am guessing 36 should be obtainable. Hopefully all of this can run ok on air only. A bios update came through on the Legion 9i G10 recently which fixed a few bugs with the shipping bios, but sadly SREP no longer works so tuning D2D is not possible (yet) on that version.

@electrosoft Did you upgrade to the iPhone 17 Pro Max yet?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l13P6GNHi3hWIna5HTG3mWBfl_ebePoW/view?usp=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/11J6h_73VVxpgkYjJSPEq__wUkjG0siZy/view?usp=drivesdk Also is it normal, when I restart I can no longer undervolt? Also when I downgrade the BIOS, when I restart again, another bios update is happening?! Fix: Enable UEFI Capsule Firmware Updates = OFF in the BIOS.

Another one done, must be closer to the 15th since getting the Precision. All well, did not need the valium :O) Impressed by Dell for providing regular security updates for quite old machines ...and without any bricking.

I am a semi retired architect based in Auckland, New Zealand with a long history of workstation use starting with a Kaypro 10 running a CP/M OS and currently running a Dell Precision 7750. I am just about to receive a Dell Pro Max 16 Plus (MB16250). Intel(R) Core(TM) Ultra 9 285HX, 16" UHD+ OLED 3840x2400, 1x128GB 6400MTs CAMM2 Dual Channel, non-ECC, NVIDIA RTX PRO 5000 Blackwell 24GB GDDR7 2TB Performance SSD Gen5, SED Ready, Additional 4TB Performance SSD, SED Ready. I will be running AutoCAD, Revit, Enscape, Rhino, Blender and 3DS Max and playing with AI. I also run a tower workstation based on a ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE motherboard supporting an AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 3995WX 64 Core CPU, 256GB Ram, 2 x 4TB SSDs and twin Nvidia RTX A6000 GPUs driving twin Dell 32” screens. Should be interesting :)

I also had the luck to buy an orange M6500 Covet with 920XM (have a 940 on the way), 16 gigs of RAM and an FX3800M. Does anyone know which driver for the 3800M works in Windows 11? I get a black screen after reboot after I let it install the Nv driver through Windows update. Works fine in XP though.

Short answer - Yes! Long answer - Yes, you definitely should try this!