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I might just get a 13700KF. It’s practically a 12900K and it’s only $429. Any thoughts? I’m torn. This is such a huge upgrade as it is, I skipped 12th Gen all together.

The 13900KF for $629.99 is an amazing price!!!. I’ll have a really nice upgrade from my 11900K. I imagine it will be competitive with 7950X multithreaded with slightly faster single thread performance.

I try to keep a few hobbies alive. But cars are too expensive for me. Motorcycles are a little more reasonable, which is why I go that route. My mind set is, I can have super car like lambo or Ferrari performance for something that’s about $10,000+ brand new. But then of course upgrading it is also super expensive, because they too are restricted and gimped from the factory just like computer parts. We’ve got to reflash the ECU’s due to manufacturers literally neutering these poor engines stock fueling to maintain some new and very strict tree hugger Euro emissions which drastically hurts peak HP/TQ. Super Heavy steel exhaust systems with Catalytic converters and O2 sensors on machines that don’t actually have to pass emissions in my own state and numerous other states is also pretty stupid. Why do I want a catalytic converter and O2 sensor when it doesn’t even have to pass emissions? So far I’ve removed all of the factory exhaust on my current motorcycle it shaved 25 pounds and gained a lot of HP. The titanium headers and exhaust is also beautiful as it changes colors over time and gives a nice gold, blue, purple. It’s beautiful! If I could have a house built with titanium and carbon fiber I’d do it! LOL. One can dream! If you like guns, maybe consider getting in to 22LR pistols and suppressors. It’s a very cheap gateway in to SO MUCH fun. You can shoot in the back yard at 2AM if you like LOL. They have some suppressors now that read lower dB noise levels than dry firing the same gun with no ammo.

Nvidia needs to bring DLSS 3.0 to Ampere graphics cards. Make these GPU’s both have a fair shake against each other. I mean, they are selling them both! They have tons of Ampere GPU’s on their hands to sell along side love lace, why not give the people a reason to buy them!

This is exactly why I’ve held on to my 11900K so long. At 4,066Mhz CL14 Gear 1, it is 65GBPS bandwidth, and 36ns latency. And the IPC is better than most would ever think. I can also run 5.4Ghz all cores at 250 watts Cinebench. 🫣 But, I’ve got a nice Z690 board and DDR5 now. Waiting on 13th Gen.

Nowadays just about any air cooled 3090Ti can match me, including your own. I only have a 3090 non Ti. That sweet performance in the video above, is exactly what you’ve already got under the hood with that 3090Ti KP. You may even be a little faster.

I’m looking at the 3090Ti in the 2nd chart showing 61fps avg in Cyberpunk 2077. This is 1440P, Psycho RT, DLSS2. That performance is not right. Below is a video I made. This should help anyone with a 3090 that’s full overclocked. Yes, the 4090 is still a beast. But if I turn off DLSS it’s still in the 43-50 fps range. I’m gonna say my GPU full OC vs a stock 4090 is 35-40% rasterization improvement. “Which is very good” It is the DLSS performance from the 4090 that is so incredible. Although, I don’t typically use DLSS much since I have the raw GPU power to go without. Cyberpunk 2077 was the only game that really needed DLSS. Anyways, this is my video. Take a look at the average frame rate. It’s really impressive. https://youtu.be/Tod5tN7myM8

Delete This 3090KP HC is Pretty fast! Admin edit: if you have a double post please report it and it will be taken care of. :)

Looking at the RTX4080 (16GB) model. Even that is an upgrade over the 3090/3090Ti. I can manage about 12,000+ in Timespy Extreme, and it’s totally stable everyday. But that 4080 (16GB) model is managing 15,000 stock. That’s a 25% jump and we haven’t even begun overclocking the 4080 yet. I’m gonna say maybe potential for 35-40% overall with a fully overclocked and watercooled 4080 (16GB). Looking at these numbers again, I’m getting lured in to the Nvidia bi-annual trap pretty fast. Just imagine the 4090.

This is the Strix LC 3090Ti. It really does well. The AIO is working at least. @Papusan What can that 3090Ti manage in something like Timespy extreme? Admin edit: Please refrain from double posting. Thanks!

I do not doubt that you cannot get good temps out of the air cooled card. But you’ll be that much more ahead with the AIO cooled GPU. The above is the same power draw but it’s still running 10C hotter with maximum fan speed. And the Asus LC’s pump was only turning like 700rpm If you max out the fan speed and pump speed on the Asus LC AIO GPU it too will run much cooler. I am gonna guess and say 50-52C. The Suprim X 3090Ti is a beast though. What sort of clocks can you sustain?

The Asus AIO card far surpasses the Suprim X in temps. AIO vs air provides a good performance gain in temps. First pic: Asus 3090Ti LC. Second pic: MSI Suprim X 3090Ti Both pictures from TweakTowns review of both cards. Also, keep in mind with AIO swapping fans, and maxing out pump speeds, repaste, this is beneficial for AIO GPU’s. But the Asus 3090Ti LC runs cooler with more power consumption.

You buy a bare motherboard, and a bare cpu, then we buy our own cooler. And we even assemble it all. AIB’s should consider selling blank GPU PCB’s with no cooler. And then we just buy our own cooler for it. They could start a whole market for just GPU AIO’s. And GPU waterblock. They need to standardize mounting holes. And the memory position for most GPU’s. And it would work.

I can’t see a bunch of people forking over tons of money for RTX4080/4090. With all of these cheap 30 series cards. If I needed a GPU I would be hunting down any new or used 3090 with a 450-500+ watt bios on board for cheap. When I had my 2080Ti even overclocked to the moon on water cooling, I felt like I needed a little more power in certain titles yet. It felt like the age was getting to it just a little. It was still very fast and all, but it didn’t feel as good as it could have. I don’t notice this feeling with my 3090, maybe it’s just luck or timing, and there hasn’t been any ultra demanding new titles released lately that make your hardware feel slow. But, this 3090 is 2 years old, and it’s a beast. Obviously, I’d always want to upgrade to anything that’s substantially faster regardless if we need to or not. But, I am far more excited and concerned with moving to Z690 chipset with a new and improved CPU, than I am with replacing my GPU.

Gear (1) 4066 CL14 is pretty strong performance on a 11900K. I have never attempted Gear (2) on this specific 11900K. But if I had some super good DDR4, I imagine it would do wonders. I’m getting back in the groove and seeing how high I can get this thing.

Okay, I’m almost ready for a new generation of CPU’s whether that be 12th or 13th, it’s new to me! Unify-X is Much smaller than the Z590 Dark. So I’ll be able to use the 120MM metal bendable fan arms that were included with my Praxis complete edition test bench. I also grabbed 10ft a fresh tubing for the new build, it’s definitely time for a complete flush! It has been so long since I have maintained my loop. I have been using only distilled water and pouring in additives periodically. Rule of thumb: Your radiator should always be larger than your motherboard for optimal cooling.

How does the memory overclock?

You running a 3090Ti KP Hybrid? How do you like it vs your original 3090 Kingpin Hybrid? I see they are very exclusive. I haven’t seen one on eBay. I did get an email to buy one from EVGA, but I passed it up.

That was my brothers CPU originally, when my 10900K died, I bought it from my brother. I ran it for a few weeks, then traded it off to Mr Fox for an 11900K. That 10850K ran awesome at 5.3Ghz for me all cores at sub 300 watts under a full load perfectly reliable. More or less a “Economical OC” I couldn’t believe it! Its a good 10850K. That thing easily did 5.2Ghz before I delidded it. I had so much fun with that chip though. I find it amazing how CPU’s can be so different from one another.

Do you have the SP84 10850K?

I am fortunate to have had the opportunity to own the last great 3090 Kingpin flagship GPU during the period of its prime. That GPU has countless hours of gaming, VR, benching, and working under its belt all while being overclocked to the maximum lol. (I still do own it) I always wanted one when I was younger through my 20’s. But never could really afford to buy one. So, at least I got to experience that. I really hate to see EVGA go. But in the end they stood up for right and wrong.

I own one of those Alphacool VPP755 V3 pumps, it has been running 24/7 since I got my waterchiller. Several revisions were made due to early failure, but that was years ago as far as I know they are good pumps now. I will say though, it has been a excellent water pump. I know the VPP755V3 does have more head pressure than a traditional D5. I have a normal 40 watt D5, and a VPP755V3 both running. The VPP755V3 is responsible for increasing the flow rate between the water chiller and back to the components. And I have flow rate for days. The VPP755 will work far better at low or minimum rpm speeds than a D5 will at low or minimum speeds. But I feel like the D5 flows slightly faster at full tilt speeds, not enough to matter though. I’d run another one no problem if my pumps ever failed. I bought Mr.fox’s parts.

I know some people have de-soldered memory modules and soldered them on other GPU’s. (This is not as crazy as what you are suggesting though) The 2080Ti only had the 14Gbps Samsung IC’s. When the 2080 Super came out it had the new 16.5Gbps Samsung IC’s. There is a article where a guy de-soldered the memory modules from two 2080 Supers, and then soldered them all on to a Galax HOF 2080Ti lol. He had to use (2) 2080 Supers, because the 2080 Supers only had 8GB, while the 2080Ti needed (11) memory chips to make up the 11gb of Vram. It worked too, and it was CRAZY fast. You could control memory voltage with the special Galax software only a handful of people had. And they had those memory modules screaming like 19-20gbps on a 2080Ti. MSI made a rare 2080Ti with these modules installed from the factory. It was called the MSI Trio Gaming Z. The only 2080Ti to have the Samsung 18.5gbps IC’s from the factory. But yeah it’s definitely possible. Most GPU bios are built to support the different vendors IC’s. I imagine swapping the whole GPU die is possible as well. Only one way to find out!

I bought a Z690 motherboard and some DDR5. Retiring the 11900K and Z590 Dark to my other PC.

Both of these new retail 11900K’s I bought were total garbage for the most part. Neither can come close to my really good 11900K. Anyways, I’m about ready to clear everything 11th Gen and Z590 and prepare for 13th Gen CPU’s. I have been running an 11900K for long enough to warrant an upgrade! I’ll be pre-ordering a 13900K. It will be fun to see a difference first hand by running my usual games and applications for work.