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Here is GPU-Z from the Hydroc G2: I am guessing the X580 cooling is on par with the P775TM1-G as they are both designed for around 250W combined loads IIRC.

If you intend to get that Gskill XMP kit once available you may have no choice but to disable SAGV as it usually increases stability (at least that was the case with raptor lake). Supposedly gear 2 is good up to 8400MT/s on the 285K. I could not get the Kingston Fury sticks to boot at 7200MT, probably due to the 1.25v limit on this bios version.

Well, the new Uniwill IDY now has a modular, full wattage 5070ti - 5090 mobile. Probably the first I have seen since the X170 as a full wattage modular part. No guarantees of upgrades but I am sure someone with a 5070ti + Intel could switch to 5090 if desired. Its kind of funny that Uniwill is now producing more modular products than Clevo. I am not interested in their watercooling addons but I do appreciate everything else they are doing engineering-wise.

Yes, same chassis. The cooling system works fine for air-only operation. Probably not as powerful as a vapor chamber but that is a tradeoff that I am fine with for a more professional looking chassis and no gaudy RGB defaults.

I preordered one of these back in late February and it was delivered last week. Specs / options: Intel Arrow Lake 275HX with CPU tuning RTX 5090 Mobile 175W / 5080 Mobile 2x16GB Kingston Fury 6400 CL38 XMP kit / CSODIMM also supported with memory tuning 1x Gen5 M.2 + 1x Gen4 M.2 SSD 16 inch miniLED 300hz QHD+ panel with local dimming switch / 300hz IPS Initial impressions: This model has very good build quality. It is much more solid feeling than the Clevo X580 and even some mobile workstations. The fan noise does not have any high pitched whine. It has fully customizable RGB lighting including the ability to override cold boot settings. The shipping bios has limited tuning but Premamod will be available when ready. Local dimming on the miniLED makes me like this type of panel. Unfortunately it is not the boot default but atleast it can be controlled via software. I have tried many different memory kits so far in it. The best performing has been the Kingston Fury 2x16GB 6400 CL38 XMP kit however it has to use a custom profile with 1.25v due to shipping bios limitations. That results in ~98ns latency in Gear 2. I will try to post a full review soon.

I tried your settings for SA and D2D and they helped a little. Also set cache to 40x. You might try disabling SAGV + setting Gear 2 to see if that helps. It might hurt battery life though as memory clocks remain at the set frequency.

It's pretty good on air actually. I do not have or want the water-cooling addon. The memory is just using the xmp timings but at 1.25v. It should be able to go further once the premamod bios is ready. That kit looks like a good one and could probably boot in the hydroc or titan. I'm surprised there is no updated Kingston fury options yet. From what prema has tested with some binned memory from eluk at similar speeds it could be under 80ns latency!

I actually ended up returning the X580 to Sager. Primarily due to its lack of tuning features for the price. I expect undervolting and memory tuning to be available. Back in late February I had also pre-ordered a Hydroc G2 from Eluktronics. It shipped last week and this laptop has it all. Here is its run down of good points: Premamod bios - full CPU and memory tuning Tuning of GPU TDP and dynamic boost configuration up to 175W 420W Power supply 2x SODIMM with supplemental cooling for better memory tuning Full sized right shift key and more solid keyboard with better travel miniLED with local dimming switch TB4 port wired to iGPU (also mDP and HDMI wired to dGPU) modular GPU board excellent fan noise - no whine, along with full fan curve and hysteresis control decent speakers (unsure of their wattage) boot override configurability for all RGB zones Here is a run of AIDA64 at 6400 CL38 Gear2. I guess there is the Raider 18 with 285HX + 5090M + QHD+ at Micro Center for $4100 but to be honest I don't like its RGB configuration support so its not something I would be interested in regardless of its performance. There is still no solid information about if its TB5 ports can be driven by the iGPU either.

It sounds like there may be a temporary tariff pause so over the summer pricing may be less volatile. The addon RAM and SSD has always inflated their prices. All of the good deals last year were models that shipped with 32GB and 1TB. Their QHD+ also seems to be much cheaper than the miniLED panel too. The 275HX is actually pretty good. Runs great with WoW and any other games, much cooler temperatures overall than 14900HX. Best of all I can finally get something with ability to tune the CPU, control the fans, max GPU TDP, and with an iGPU TB4 port just like the Precision series. Memory latency is higher but luckily it can atleast be tuned to get closer to what I have heard with the 285K. I have heard rumors that 9945HX3D has seen some AGESA bug fixes and does have higher TDP than 7945HX3D. Its a shame MSI has decided to only pair the new chip with UHD+ panels at the moment. Maybe Micro Center has enough pull with them to get a 9945HX3D config with QHD+ at a good price as they seem to have done that with the 285HX variant this year.

Not a bad review. I never realized the trackpad being centered like that with the Raider 18. I guess I did not use it enough on the go without a mouse. For price the Micro Center deals on the Intel model are better, $3000 for the 5080 and $4100 for the 5090. I cannot say they are enticing though as the included memory and storage would just be chucked and replaced with better performing options from known good brands instead of the lottery system of OEM components. MiniLED panels should always have a switch to disable local dimming. Having now used the panel on the Hydroc G2 it is finally an experience that can be the same as you would get on the IPS variant.

There was the Asus laptop a while ago with the Quadro equivalent of a 2080Ti - complete with 24GB of memory on a 384-bit bus. It had a 200W power limit but did show that a TU102 chip could fit and function in a laptop. Personally I think we need properly sized DTR 5090m laptops at 300W+ before bigger more expensive silicon. That is not happening soon as all the OEMs have declared anything thick cannot possible sell well. Nvidia does not help with this either as they clearly want to keep their entire mobile product line in a close range of trickled performance.

It's a MSI pro z690-a wifi with a 2x16gb 6400 cl32 kit. The 12900ks has also been delidded and has the rockitcool copper ihs. I know that the other sapphire rapids users hit a wall with their chips too. Even the refresh chips are only reaching 5.2 on the starred cores, maybe 5.3 with hyper threading disabled. I guess those cores do have 2mb l2 just like raptor cove. I think I have mentioned before that cppc seems to be broken on the w790-sage so process lasso to keep those threads on the higher clocked cores is very helpful. I wonder if using the third and fourth gen5x16 slots for my GPU and SSD makes it need a couple extra mesh hops from the preferred cores compared to the top two Gen5 slots. The preferred cores are definitely the best ones though as they need under 100mv less at the same clock compared to the non preferred cores.

I am tempted to try and move my 5090 into my Intel 12900ks + z690 system this weekend and see if it does better with wow than the HEDT setup. I could even potentially try a 14900k or ks if it's supported via a bios update. That 12900ks seemed like it was pretty leaky in the raptor x15 but it might do perfectly fine even with good air cooling.

I dont have a picture of one but from the exterior it looks very much like the PE60. It seems like the X580 does OK with a heatpipe system. Would a vapor chamber have helped slightly? Maybe but only Clevo engineering would know at this point.

I think that one is not a Tongfang, instead a different company as it was called "Thunderobot Zero 18" at CES. Supposedly same vendor Eluktronics used on a 16 inch model a few years ago which ended up having worse build quality. In other news, the X560 is starting to show up. It looks like it caps out at a 155W 5090m, and has three SSD slots along with support for up to 128GB RAM. It still has a vapor chamber just like the PE60 which is nice.

The GT76 is another good one too. The older chips are not as efficient or powerful as the new models but they are so much easier to cool in a proper chassis. Yeah I suspect the Raider would be an RGB light show on bootup until Steelseries GG loads (or in the case of booting Linux, always). We can unplug the front bar and put a sticker over the lid logo. I believe the keyboard itself saves the lighting level to hardware so it can just be left at zero brightness upon shutdown too. MSI Feature Manager is a bit closer to what silent option used to be. I guess in the case of the new Raider it really depends on if the display output wiring is actually changed. If its not then its mostly the same feature set as the previous generation but just with double the price.

I regularly run mine with fans limited to 45db or less, so it can get quite a bit hotter even at lower wattages. I miss the days of monsters like the X170 and GT75 that could sustain good performance with that constraint. Gaudy chassis was the nail in the coffin for the Raider 18 last year too. There is one called a CreatorPro X18 which has the best aesthetics of them all. Membrane white backlit keyboard, regular track pad, gray accents instead of blue or red.

I have seen some people run their shunts for over a year without an issue. Maybe its fine if cooling is at its peak performance. That Vector 16 is performing better than the X580 in both CPU and GPU. I would probably still opt for a 5090M before shunting. Now the Raider 18 is available locally with 285HX, QHD+ 240hz and 5090M. So far the Titan 18 is only listed with UHD+ 120hz displays. Its a shame as they might as well offer the lower resolution as everyone else does on their flagship models as well.

I need to rerun some benchmarks. After running some further testing on the Kingston Fury memory I determined it was not stable at 5600 CL40 in the X580 in combined loads. The stock Crucial kit was not as well at 5600 CL46. I now have tested Hynix OEM 2x24GB CSODIMM modules at 5600 CL46 which is stable. This change will effect Timespy CPU test but should not effect Cinebench R23. I think traditionally games usually are effected by higher memory latencies with 1% lows.

I see. Does this mean in Hybrid mode that eDP is driven by iGPU and TBT5 is driven by DGPU?

What if it's in hybrid mode? Does the TB5 port get muxed just like the eDP? Thanks for testing!

I see that in 2025 the Raider 18 and Titan 18 may have the TB5 output driven by the iGPU. Does that sound correct?

Yeah Prema helped me figure out a few things on the X580 already. Im not really interested in the AW due to its RGB/aesthetics and reliance on AWCC along with the hassle of removing their LM paste. I also like having some side ports for USB. I do have a pre-order for the Hydroc G2. Its going to have the Prema bios so its likely going to exceed what the X580 or any other 18 inch can do.

It is supposed to have boot guard but I have not confirmed it yet. The price is indeed very high. I guess it makes the most sense for someone who wants to load it up with 256GB of RAM and 32TB of storage. For me I dont really care about that and just want 2x16GB and a single drive with as close to desktop speeds while keeping the fan noise from being annoying. I think the sound should be on par with the X170. At least its vastly superior to the X370 which had 2x1W speakers and no subwoofer. I don't really know how to tweak the EQ to make it the best but atleast the hardware side of it is better. https://imgur.com/ADNYf2d https://imgur.com/mLfYJk2 https://imgur.com/yvYHybF

They appear to have EFI variable write protection enabled in the stock bios now so those hidden settings cannot be modified like I could on the X170KM or NH55JNNQ. Clevo does have fan control implemented via the control center. I am not sure if the EC registers have changed but it has 10 curve points per fan. All of the 3rdparty control tools seem to rely on a "ClevoEcInfo.dll" library which does not have source code from what I have searched. The only issue with the current CSODIMM modules available is they all have the looser JEDEC timings unlike the Kingston Fury modules which have tighter timings but are limited to 5600 and up to 32GB per module.