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Update, using two sticks in dual channel does work fine, I just missed the correct slot combination with my initial testing. Use slots 2 & 3 in this case for the best performance which is pretty close to using four sticks at the same 5600 CL40. It has the benefit of reduced memory temperatures under sustained combined loads. With two Kingston Fury 5600 CL40 kits: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/130810731?

These are the heatsinks on the bottom cover for the SSDs. The freezing issue was the mixed RAM modules. With only 2x Crucial it did not freeze. Now I am testing 4x Kingston Fury so hopefully it will not freeze and also work at higher speeds. I have not had a bluescreen yet with Clevo's drivers. They did post updated drivers the other day so I can test them out once I have the RAM stability ironed out.

Its hard to say. Supposedly they are a better bin but so far as I know the stock clocks are the same. Mine is only on air which is likely a limiting factor. In theory 5.2ghz should be possible on a few cores on air, and I think up to 5.4ghz is common on water. Latency is around 75ns with the 6400 CL32 4x16GB kit with tREFI set to 32k. It is also bottlenecked by mesh clocks so 23x (stock) is substantially higher latency than 30x.

So far I have it at 4.8ghz on six cores and 4.6ghz on all others. The Skatterbencher article mentioned individually testing each core to find an offset but I have not found the process to do that yet.

Yeah Sapphire Rapids also has some unfortunate downsides like registered dimms, mesh clock bottlenecks and broken CPPC. I also find that disabling hyperthreading improves performance. Mine is the monolithic chip variant and IPC should be close to 13900K P-cores as it has the full 2MB L2 per core. I wonder how a 285K setup would do. 275HX has not been horrible so far. I also thought about getting a 38 inch 144hz ultrawide as the 5090 could likely run it at the exact same framerates as I get on the QHD display. Although that still does not make the machine any more portable so I can use it during the day. The 5090 itself has been great. Just stock clocks, no coil whine and temps are pretty good. It was 2500usd including tax which without any silly bundle bucket deals which seems pretty killer compared to prices today. It might even get worse if the MSRP for these is going up to 3500usd soon.

Those likely will not fit. The bottom panel has metal heatsinks for each SSD that make contact via a thick pad. Those heatsinks are riveted to the bottom panel so it would need to be modified. There is also a concern that the fourth drive slot may not fit a double sided SSD as it is on top of the wifi card. I need to test it out next time I have it opened. I have also been experiencing a system freeze if it's idle for 45 minutes. It may be due to using the mixed hynix and micron memory kits. Still it's pretty exciting to have a decent system produced by Clevo after a couple of years that were duds.

I still have the 5090 gaming trio oc but have not used it for a month. I will probably just list it for sale soon as I don't have much time at home to use a desktop system. To be honest the sapphire rapids CPU isn't pairing very well with the card as WoW was mostly CPU limited.

The keyboard is the same as the X170 and X370 other than having a copilot key. Also Tom at XMG mentioned the key 18 pro uses ptm7950 so hopefully that is the case in all regions. In performance mode overclocking is an option so things are tunable other than undervolting. Audio is greatly improved over the X170 and even the MSI raider or titan. I will also note that surface temps are better now as well. Maximum read was around 45C above the keyboard. I am waiting on a second set of Kingston fury 5600 cl40 2x16 to test for stability at higher speeds. Tom was able to go up to 5200 MT/s with some csodimms so far. He is also validating it for use with 256GB.

I picked up an X580 for testing as I was curious about the improvements they have made on the X370. Specs: Performance - 150W PL2 / 135W PL1 / 250W combined (observed as 70W CPU + 170W GPU in OCCT combined load test) Entertainment - 130W PL2 / 46W PL1 / 195W combined (observed as 46W CPU + 150W GPU) 18 inch QHD+ 240hz, panel is BOE NE180QDM-NZ2 Memory needs four sticks to run in dual channel and by default boots at 4400 MT/s per Intel specs. Memory must be run in slot 2 and 3 for dual channel operation. The best performance is to use single rank memory with tight timings but likely no XMP support. So kits like Kingston Fury 2x16GB 5600 CL40. There is a bios option to select a higher memory speed. Much better cooling, as the system can sustain these loads without thermal throttling. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/130420192?

Ah that makes sense. I did not expect it to be wired significantly different from the other models to be honest. At least this year it seems that due to the Arrow Lake TB4 having iGPU video output by default, many new options will have this "feature" if they include that port.

Ah, my question was if the HDMI is MUXed to the iGPU in hybrid mode along with the laptop panel.

Yeah that annoying fan oscillation was present on the Fury 16 G10. I suppose that we can adjust power limits but I do not think there is a way to adjust turbo ratios down other than dropping all the way to base clocks. The CreatorPro X18 sounds really nice. It just needs more display options. If the HDMI port really can be driven by the iGPU that is a great feature and unique to its model. There is an open box model available here at a good reseller and its tempting to try testing it out.

I agree about the fan curve issues. While the Zbook 15 G4 did not have this problem the Zbook Studio G3 definitely did and probably every generation going forward. Fan oscillation at idle speeds and in generally just annoying bursts of noise from day to day use. Of course tuning is also locked down so helping the situation by taming the CPU was not possible. I would even say the Precision models just have annoying fans, the only workstation that is a pleasure to use noise wise has been the Thinkpad P16 G2. We dont really know how Arrow Lake HX will feel or work yet. It could be the case that the previous gen 14900HX / 13950HX may have a better experience for quite some time.

My thought this time around is the uniwill id-y model will do the best as it will have a well tunable CPU and memory. A 285hx may have higher clocks but the design must allow those to be sustainable. The 18 inch zbook is also quite interesting. If anything because I really like physical touchpad buttons over clickpads.

There has been a rumor floating around that 5090m will be back to 200W power limit. Something about it being said on a Lenovo livestream. It may make sense if 24GB GDDR7 draws more power than 16GB and eats into that 175W budget. This also corresponds with other things I have observed like the 5090m having more power phases compared to 4090m.

Gaming is one of the reasons. I think the 9950X3D has the non X3D cores so they can hit higher frequencies. I am not sure how high the 9800X3D clocks on air or water but it seemed like it was still less than a 9950X. Even the Xeon needs process lasso to work correctly. If I launch any single core benchmark it runs on any core and not the one clocked the highest or starred in XTU. It would be nice if they released a 9950X special edition with both CCDs a very high bin.

I thought about trying a 9950X3D. Between the increased latency of the registered memory, limit of around 5.2ghz on air for the 2495x, and the fact that some of my encoding jobs do not scale above 8 cores I was thinking about trying a 9950X3D instead. It would probably be a better chip for WoW given what @electrosoft mentioned with his 9800X3D the other day. Honestly even the tuned Raider 18 felt smoother in WoW with the 7945HX3D paired with the 4090m. Right now is not a great time to build anything though as I am traveling for the next couple of weeks..

X580 listed on Sager: 3249usd - https://www.sagernotebook.com/Notebook-NP9580S.html with 5080m 3899usd - https://www.sagernotebook.com/Notebook-NP9580S.html with 5090m

Nice! I like to run Unigine Heaven along with CBR23 as it generally gives me a good idea of crossload performance in games. It looks like it has a 95W PL1 according to the notebookcheck but its great that you can get that at such a good temp with the tweaks you did. Did you get a chance to run Aida64 Cache and Memory on it yet?

The only current 17 inch workstation is the Dell Precision 7780. It uses a 16:9 display and is available with a FHD 60hz display option. The obvious advantage with it is using the SODIMM interposer you can utilize XMP memory which puts it at a higher performance tier than the Thinkpad P16 G2 which is limited to 4000 MT/s. It also supports four M.2 SSD drives so plenty of upgradability. I do not like its cooling solution as I feel like it does not have enough headroom for sustained high end combined loads. For a CPU only load it should sustain around the same as the P16 G2 so long as there are not any cooling system issues. It may have finnicky microphone audio support as I had trouble with it consistently pickup my voice on audio calls in the past.

Honestly that is a great score for stock with TIM reapplication. The warranty is definitely a must. I believe with Acer they are serviced in TX so at least its a geographically central location for ground shipping. It can take three weeks for a repair if it needs a new motherboard as those are usually ordered from Taiwan as needed. For tuning on laptops Prema or MSI are the only game in town. For MSI Intel models generally gets the best treatment. They have EC mods that allow running higher TDPs and not needing DTT installed. They also have a simplified control center called Feature Manager too which is much less bloated than MSI Center. For Prema that means the Hydroc Tongfang model sold by Eluktronics. Every year they make meaningful improvements to their systems. This year its a modular GPU board; inclusion of iGPU video outputs; better hinges; miniLED display option with control center option to disable FALD. As usual you can control ALL of the usually hidden config options that Nvidia would rather keep in a canned OEM tuned power profile. I guess the liquid cooling addon is a nice way to get additional power in a stationary setting. They have also changed the memory to no longer be stacked and also have active cooling so overclocking should be more capable in that regard. It also ships with a 420W charger which is a welcome change. TDP is slowly creeping back up to what we used to see with 10th Gen DTR's.

Try using Smokeless UMAF to see if it helps. You would probably need to set a bios admin password and then disable secure boot for it to work. UV Protection needs both OC support and SA OC support (ram overclocking) enabled for it to deactivate.

Its a nice machine. I just buy and sell a lot of tech. This particular model was interesting to me as it is a rare config that has a 130W 4090M. Out of Dell / HP / Lenovo this one has the best thermal performance due to the dual vapor chamber design.

I currently have a P16 G2 for sale too. Its a decent laptop - the keyboard is indeed very good, probably the best in the industry. Regarding storage it can take an 8TB WD SN850X SSD in at least one of the slots. The other slot may only take single sided SSD's so its limited to 4TB. Memory speeds with 2x32GB are limited to 4000MT/s per Intel specs. Sustained TDP is around 100W on the CPU, or 180W combined CPU+GPU. There is a MUX switch for the laptop display available in the bios, all out video outputs are wired to the dGPU. The wifi is soldered AX211 and as you might have noticed there is no built in ethernet. The system can support 170W, 230W and 300W Lenovo adapters - but NOT the 330W Lenovo adapter.

I would not be surprise if the LM application had issues. High end machines are not treated better when it comes to assembly at a factory. No vendor should be using LM from the factory anyways as it requires far more care than a mass produced process can account for. Instead they should just use ptm7958sp which while being less performant will always be consistent unless you get a defective heatsink. I am glad it has been working very well for you! I always buy and sell laptops so it just happened to be its time. I think most of the issues I had with it is due to trying to use W10 instead of W11. Maybe the new bios update finally bumped the AgesaPI version from 1.0.0.3. I also kind of felt like a 100W PPT limit on the 7945HX3D was unfair while there are 16 inch Lenovo, Asus and Dell laptops with 7945HX at 140W. The RGB effects topped it off as I cannot stand a "boot default" of anything other than a static color. In past MSI Steelseries RGB controllers they had onboard memory but that no longer seems the case. Oh, and it looks like MSI bumped the Raider 18 with 9955HX3D and 5090m up to $5099 so it further makes last years model a better value!