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  1. win32asmguy
    Here is GPU-Z from the Hydroc G2: I am guessing the X580 cooling is on par with the P775TM1-G as they are both designed for around 250W combined loads IIRC.
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    Well, the new Uniwill IDY now has a modular, full wattage 5070ti - 5090 mobile. Probably the first I have seen since the X170 as a full wattage modular part. No guarantees of upgrades but I am sure someone with a 5070ti + Intel could switch to 5090 if desired. Its kind of funny that Uniwill is now producing more modular products than Clevo. I am not interested in their watercooling addons but I do appreciate everything else they are doing engineering-wise.
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    I preordered one of these back in late February and it was delivered last week. Specs / options: Intel Arrow Lake 275HX with CPU tuning RTX 5090 Mobile 175W / 5080 Mobile 2x16GB Kingston Fury 6400 CL38 XMP kit / CSODIMM also supported with memory tuning 1x Gen5 M.2 + 1x Gen4 M.2 SSD 16 inch miniLED 300hz QHD+ panel with local dimming switch / 300hz IPS Initial impressions: This model has very good build quality. It is much more solid feeling than the Clevo X580 and even some mobile workstations. The fan noise does not have any high pitched whine. It has fully customizable RGB lighting including the ability to override cold boot settings. The shipping bios has limited tuning but Premamod will be available when ready. Local dimming on the miniLED makes me like this type of panel. Unfortunately it is not the boot default but atleast it can be controlled via software. I have tried many different memory kits so far in it. The best performing has been the Kingston Fury 2x16GB 6400 CL38 XMP kit however it has to use a custom profile with 1.25v due to shipping bios limitations. That results in ~98ns latency in Gear 2. I will try to post a full review soon.
  4. win32asmguy
    It sounds like there may be a temporary tariff pause so over the summer pricing may be less volatile. The addon RAM and SSD has always inflated their prices. All of the good deals last year were models that shipped with 32GB and 1TB. Their QHD+ also seems to be much cheaper than the miniLED panel too. The 275HX is actually pretty good. Runs great with WoW and any other games, much cooler temperatures overall than 14900HX. Best of all I can finally get something with ability to tune the CPU, control the fans, max GPU TDP, and with an iGPU TB4 port just like the Precision series. Memory latency is higher but luckily it can atleast be tuned to get closer to what I have heard with the 285K. I have heard rumors that 9945HX3D has seen some AGESA bug fixes and does have higher TDP than 7945HX3D. Its a shame MSI has decided to only pair the new chip with UHD+ panels at the moment. Maybe Micro Center has enough pull with them to get a 9945HX3D config with QHD+ at a good price as they seem to have done that with the 285HX variant this year.
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    Not a bad review. I never realized the trackpad being centered like that with the Raider 18. I guess I did not use it enough on the go without a mouse. For price the Micro Center deals on the Intel model are better, $3000 for the 5080 and $4100 for the 5090. I cannot say they are enticing though as the included memory and storage would just be chucked and replaced with better performing options from known good brands instead of the lottery system of OEM components. MiniLED panels should always have a switch to disable local dimming. Having now used the panel on the Hydroc G2 it is finally an experience that can be the same as you would get on the IPS variant.
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    There was the Asus laptop a while ago with the Quadro equivalent of a 2080Ti - complete with 24GB of memory on a 384-bit bus. It had a 200W power limit but did show that a TU102 chip could fit and function in a laptop. Personally I think we need properly sized DTR 5090m laptops at 300W+ before bigger more expensive silicon. That is not happening soon as all the OEMs have declared anything thick cannot possible sell well. Nvidia does not help with this either as they clearly want to keep their entire mobile product line in a close range of trickled performance.
  7. win32asmguy
    It's a MSI pro z690-a wifi with a 2x16gb 6400 cl32 kit. The 12900ks has also been delidded and has the rockitcool copper ihs. I know that the other sapphire rapids users hit a wall with their chips too. Even the refresh chips are only reaching 5.2 on the starred cores, maybe 5.3 with hyper threading disabled. I guess those cores do have 2mb l2 just like raptor cove. I think I have mentioned before that cppc seems to be broken on the w790-sage so process lasso to keep those threads on the higher clocked cores is very helpful. I wonder if using the third and fourth gen5x16 slots for my GPU and SSD makes it need a couple extra mesh hops from the preferred cores compared to the top two Gen5 slots. The preferred cores are definitely the best ones though as they need under 100mv less at the same clock compared to the non preferred cores.
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    I am tempted to try and move my 5090 into my Intel 12900ks + z690 system this weekend and see if it does better with wow than the HEDT setup. I could even potentially try a 14900k or ks if it's supported via a bios update. That 12900ks seemed like it was pretty leaky in the raptor x15 but it might do perfectly fine even with good air cooling.
  9. win32asmguy
    I dont have a picture of one but from the exterior it looks very much like the PE60. It seems like the X580 does OK with a heatpipe system. Would a vapor chamber have helped slightly? Maybe but only Clevo engineering would know at this point.
  10. win32asmguy
    I think that one is not a Tongfang, instead a different company as it was called "Thunderobot Zero 18" at CES. Supposedly same vendor Eluktronics used on a 16 inch model a few years ago which ended up having worse build quality. In other news, the X560 is starting to show up. It looks like it caps out at a 155W 5090m, and has three SSD slots along with support for up to 128GB RAM. It still has a vapor chamber just like the PE60 which is nice.
  11. win32asmguy
    I need to rerun some benchmarks. After running some further testing on the Kingston Fury memory I determined it was not stable at 5600 CL40 in the X580 in combined loads. The stock Crucial kit was not as well at 5600 CL46. I now have tested Hynix OEM 2x24GB CSODIMM modules at 5600 CL46 which is stable. This change will effect Timespy CPU test but should not effect Cinebench R23. I think traditionally games usually are effected by higher memory latencies with 1% lows.
  12. win32asmguy
    Yeah Prema helped me figure out a few things on the X580 already. Im not really interested in the AW due to its RGB/aesthetics and reliance on AWCC along with the hassle of removing their LM paste. I also like having some side ports for USB. I do have a pre-order for the Hydroc G2. Its going to have the Prema bios so its likely going to exceed what the X580 or any other 18 inch can do.
  13. win32asmguy
    It is supposed to have boot guard but I have not confirmed it yet. The price is indeed very high. I guess it makes the most sense for someone who wants to load it up with 256GB of RAM and 32TB of storage. For me I dont really care about that and just want 2x16GB and a single drive with as close to desktop speeds while keeping the fan noise from being annoying. I think the sound should be on par with the X170. At least its vastly superior to the X370 which had 2x1W speakers and no subwoofer. I don't really know how to tweak the EQ to make it the best but atleast the hardware side of it is better. https://imgur.com/ADNYf2d https://imgur.com/mLfYJk2 https://imgur.com/yvYHybF
  14. win32asmguy
    They appear to have EFI variable write protection enabled in the stock bios now so those hidden settings cannot be modified like I could on the X170KM or NH55JNNQ. Clevo does have fan control implemented via the control center. I am not sure if the EC registers have changed but it has 10 curve points per fan. All of the 3rdparty control tools seem to rely on a "ClevoEcInfo.dll" library which does not have source code from what I have searched. The only issue with the current CSODIMM modules available is they all have the looser JEDEC timings unlike the Kingston Fury modules which have tighter timings but are limited to 5600 and up to 32GB per module.
  15. win32asmguy
    The bios is write locked so tuning is somewhat limited compared to other models. There will be an unlocked variant from System76 but modifications to that bios need basic programming knowledge. The 5090 QHD+ model I got from Sager was $4150 including a three year warranty before tax. Both panels are IPS. The best memory performance I have tested so far is 4x16 Kingston Fury 5600 CL40, but its still pretty far in latency from other models. 2x16 6400 CL52 CSODIMMs may be better if it is stable.
  16. win32asmguy
    Last year some of the Raider 18 configurations only came with 32GB of RAM, 1TB Gen4 SSD and QHD+ displays which made them much cheaper. Now they are forcing 64GB of RAM, 2TB Gen5 SSD and UHD+ and add the tariffs on top its obvious why they are in Razer / Titan territory. The X580 is surprisingly cheaper despite having support for 256GB RAM and 4x8TB SSD's. It does lack almost all tuning but at the same time its design and build quality are much nicer along with the ability to configure the RGB with its profile stored to onboard memory. The performance of the 275HX is very good in WoW - easily as good as the 7945HX3D if not better even with the very high 130ns measured memory latency. It can handle heavy fights like outdoor raids while staying around 60fps at QHD Ultra 10, even with just 200W combined load in entertainment mode.
  17. win32asmguy
    We have to give credit to Tom at XMG for finding out the optimal memory options: https://download.schenker-tech.de/media/products/schenker-key-18-pro_e25/key-18-pro-e25_memory-guide_2025-04-11.pdf As far as the SSD heatsinks I cannot comment how well they work as I have not paid attention to the SSD temperatures closely. The plates attached to the bottom cover appear to be somewhat thick and heavy, hopefully they are powdercoated copper. I have not swapped in a higher performance drive yet from the stock Crucial P3 1TB which likely does not generate much heat under sustained transfers. I will try to test those things out when I can. Based on research from Tom's posting CSODIMM should benefit. I don't have 4x matched dual rank modules so I cannot comment on my own testing but it looks like they might run a few bins over the stock speeds.
  18. win32asmguy
    Update, using two sticks in dual channel does work fine, I just missed the correct slot combination with my initial testing. Use slots 2 & 3 in this case for the best performance which is pretty close to using four sticks at the same 5600 CL40. It has the benefit of reduced memory temperatures under sustained combined loads. With two Kingston Fury 5600 CL40 kits: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/130810731?
  19. win32asmguy
    These are the heatsinks on the bottom cover for the SSDs. The freezing issue was the mixed RAM modules. With only 2x Crucial it did not freeze. Now I am testing 4x Kingston Fury so hopefully it will not freeze and also work at higher speeds. I have not had a bluescreen yet with Clevo's drivers. They did post updated drivers the other day so I can test them out once I have the RAM stability ironed out.
  20. win32asmguy
    Its hard to say. Supposedly they are a better bin but so far as I know the stock clocks are the same. Mine is only on air which is likely a limiting factor. In theory 5.2ghz should be possible on a few cores on air, and I think up to 5.4ghz is common on water. Latency is around 75ns with the 6400 CL32 4x16GB kit with tREFI set to 32k. It is also bottlenecked by mesh clocks so 23x (stock) is substantially higher latency than 30x.
  21. win32asmguy
    So far I have it at 4.8ghz on six cores and 4.6ghz on all others. The Skatterbencher article mentioned individually testing each core to find an offset but I have not found the process to do that yet.
  22. win32asmguy
    Yeah Sapphire Rapids also has some unfortunate downsides like registered dimms, mesh clock bottlenecks and broken CPPC. I also find that disabling hyperthreading improves performance. Mine is the monolithic chip variant and IPC should be close to 13900K P-cores as it has the full 2MB L2 per core. I wonder how a 285K setup would do. 275HX has not been horrible so far. I also thought about getting a 38 inch 144hz ultrawide as the 5090 could likely run it at the exact same framerates as I get on the QHD display. Although that still does not make the machine any more portable so I can use it during the day. The 5090 itself has been great. Just stock clocks, no coil whine and temps are pretty good. It was 2500usd including tax which without any silly bundle bucket deals which seems pretty killer compared to prices today. It might even get worse if the MSRP for these is going up to 3500usd soon.
  23. win32asmguy
    Those likely will not fit. The bottom panel has metal heatsinks for each SSD that make contact via a thick pad. Those heatsinks are riveted to the bottom panel so it would need to be modified. There is also a concern that the fourth drive slot may not fit a double sided SSD as it is on top of the wifi card. I need to test it out next time I have it opened. I have also been experiencing a system freeze if it's idle for 45 minutes. It may be due to using the mixed hynix and micron memory kits. Still it's pretty exciting to have a decent system produced by Clevo after a couple of years that were duds.
  24. win32asmguy
    I still have the 5090 gaming trio oc but have not used it for a month. I will probably just list it for sale soon as I don't have much time at home to use a desktop system. To be honest the sapphire rapids CPU isn't pairing very well with the card as WoW was mostly CPU limited.
  25. win32asmguy
    The keyboard is the same as the X170 and X370 other than having a copilot key. Also Tom at XMG mentioned the key 18 pro uses ptm7950 so hopefully that is the case in all regions. In performance mode overclocking is an option so things are tunable other than undervolting. Audio is greatly improved over the X170 and even the MSI raider or titan. I will also note that surface temps are better now as well. Maximum read was around 45C above the keyboard. I am waiting on a second set of Kingston fury 5600 cl40 2x16 to test for stability at higher speeds. Tom was able to go up to 5200 MT/s with some csodimms so far. He is also validating it for use with 256GB.
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