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You could try GSkill F4-3200C18D-32GRS which is rated at CL18 without needing XMP. I was not able to get it stable in my X170SM with a 10900K but you may have more luck. Be sure to choose a kit that is dual rank and has decent tRFC.

After some testing I determined that I was wrong on my initial assumption. The subsystem ID has to be overridden here instead specifically for the dGPU: https://github.com/system76/coreboot/blob/f1caea884c49bebd657631bcbf8859ad9aac740b/src/drivers/system76/dgpu/ramstage.c#L36 Everywhere else it should remain 0x7714 except for the GPU and the GPU audio device. With that changed it allows the unmodded drivers without an issue.

Oh, if you want to test the System76 firmware on your X170SM I can help with attempting to get it setup!

I think I found the cookie in my coreboot variant of the X170SM that associates it with the device whitelist in the Nvidia installer: https://github.com/system76/coreboot/blob/6e1a07ca56bf6cfb3b0969971a886a59bb18a3e2/src/mainboard/system76/bonw14/devicetree.cb#L58 In theory changing that to the X170KM identifier should allow stock drivers to install. I have not tested that but will soon. Just to catch up on the other feature support of the 3080 with this bios here is where it is at: Suspend / Resume works but takes 30 seconds to resume (may be the same case with the 2080 super as I think their ACPI resume routines wait longer in each stage of powering the GPU back on to ensure the process succeeds) No support for Nvidia PCF / Dynamic Boost as it did not exist until much later when they added support for 3080 mobile model refreshes but it may be possible to backport it No support for GSync as I believe it was not supported on the 2080 super on this bios. Either they did not have time to add the feature or did not get necessary information from Nvidia to add it (more likely) Video Output support - I have only tested the TB3 port on the back side to confirm it works. I did not test mDP or HDMI. I do know that the X170KM has a different port layout (TB4 is dual port on side) so the VBIOS for the 3080 may be configured differently than the 2080 Super. There is an ACPI table defining the port/pipe configuration for the Nvidia GPU but it seems to use a propritary format so we would need to dump ACPI from an X170KM to compare.

Sadly the community doesn't put much emphasis on the other part of the problem, poor quality locked down firmware. I want to explore that more and I have a newer system that despite being BGA, has an open source BIOS and EC which I can freely modify. It really makes a system be very close to how many would run a desktop - without proprietary control software. It isn't exactly a very cost effective system as I believe Clevo charges over $500 more to get an equivalent motherboard without Intel Boot Guard, which requires a signed bios using their keys in order to boot up. There is also the cost of porting Coreboot to new hardware which is a very hard sell to anyone who expects open source firmware to cost the same as proprietary firmware.

Right. And the price is too low as well. The real ones are 350 yuan each because they harvested the fans from Alienware 51m r2 and adapted them to the x170 housing with the proper header.

The taobao fans from thermalsabre are different. Where did you order yours? I used superbuy as my agent and then sent photos of the fans before forwarding them to the USA.

You have to remove the screen lid to get to that plastic cover. Then break a chunk out of it so you can easily clip to the chip in the future:

The Titan 18 also has a full magnesium alloy palm rest (not a metal backplate like the Raider 18) which to me is more notable as it gets the build quality closer to a mobile workstation. What really hurts the Titan and Raider is that they should offer four models of each, 4080+QHD, 4080+UHD, 4090+QHD, 4090+UHD. That way anyone can purchase whatever screen and GPU they want depending on the use. All of those should come with 32GB of memory and 2TB of storage, let resellers do value added upgrades beyond that. I would have had the vapor chamber come with all Raider 18 / Titan 18 with 4080 and 4090. I like the design of the Raider 18. It is better than the Asus Strix 18 for sure. It does not have coil whine issues either. I do believe the front RGB light bar can be safely unplugged but would need to test. The lid logo RGB is integrated into the LCD cable so it cannot be disabled the same way.

Yeah I was also interested in the Titan 18 but the only QHD config listed in the USA isn't available and it will likely be priced well over 4000usd. Honestly the haptic touchpad is an overpriced gimmick feature and should be optional. The Raider 18 I purchased is sold by Costco online only. You do have to purchase/have a Costco membership but they also include an additional year of warranty and even more if you use their credit card. MSI doesn't even list them as a reseller.

This model is new for 2024 and is a lower cost alternative to the Titan 18. Specs of my configuration: 14900HX 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5-5600 SK Hynix OEM memory by default at DDR5-4000 but operates at DDR5-5600 CL46 by changing bios options 1TB Samsung PM9A1 Gen4 SSD RTX 4080 mobile 175W 18 inch 2560x1600 240hz IPS display Membrane RGB keyboard with full numberpad Clickpad Fingerprint Reader 2 Years of warranty through Costco As configured 3000usd Build Quality The chassis has a metal lid, plastic palm rest and plastic bottom cover. The hinge area appears to be magnesium alloy just like the Titan 18. The keyboard and trackpad area has a metal plate backing. The chassis feel solid without any creaking noises or keyboard flex. Performance The 14900HX performs well out of the box, approximately 32k in CBR23 pulling up to 180W with fans in default mode and no undervolting. The 4080 mobile got about 18,500 in Timespy. Timespy - https://www.3dmark.com/spy/47763507 Steel Nomad - https://www.3dmark.com/sn/48023 This system ships with a 330W brick but according to the manual 400W is supported. It may be worthwhile to get one of those and test it! OS Support Windows 10 installs and is fully supported including Nahemic for audio, MSI Center for fan and feature control, and Steelseries GG for RGB control. I have not tested out Linux yet. Fan Noise / Cooling Pretty pleasant. Minimal high pitched whine and with MSI Center they can be set to not be annoying loud under load. This model uses a heatpipe system instead of a vapor chamber like the Titan 18. It does use properly spaced mounting posts on the CPU side so core deltas appear to be good. The motherboard appears to support the vapor chamber from the Titan but would need the backplates installed for GPU and potentially the CPU which require motherboard removal along with sourcing the parts. The fans appear to be the same brand and model that the Titan 18 uses. Good Things Great QHD display with no bloom issues present from the miniLED option. It has a MSI Center option to enable/disable display overdrive The trackpad has defined edges The palm rest has small top speaker grills on each side which might make it sound better than the Titan 18 Bad Things RGB is enabled by default with a rainbow effect on cold boot which is only disabled when Steelseries GG loads The trackpad feels spongy and is plastic. It also has a poor adjustment to the button and has 1-2mm play before it actuates which really makes it not pleasant to use! MUX Control option is disabled even in the advanced bios furthering the need for MSI Center App auto updates have to be disabled in Steelseries GG, MSI Center and the Microsoft Store as these control apps have already pushed updates that break features for 14th Gen models! No USB-C/USB-A on back side for a clean docked setup More info to come. Feel free to ask questions!

It seemed like the Insyde bios for the NH55 had support for additional e-core clusters present in 13th Gen and newer. I guess integrating updated microcode was not enough as I am sure Prema tried it. I am going to make a thread about the MSI Raider 18 which I have been testing for a couple of weeks now. It has been the best 18 inch laptop I have used so far and worth some discussion.

I would enjoy attempting to port Coreboot to the NH55 but I believe all of the chassis were sold with Intel Boot Guard enabled requiring signed bios images with Clevo's keys. To me the NH55 never got a fair shot at being a good seller as Sager and XMG did not offer it. It was also overshadowed by 12th Gen HX being released a few months later which magically filled the gap in Intel's lineup where the NH55 and a LGA based X170 successor could have thrived. Now we just have a bunch of competitors which mostly have barely adequate cooling, locked down firmware, tasteless RGB, inferior repairability compared to past designs and much higher prices.

It can fit. Get it around that obstruction initially then the rest can pop down into place.

If you happen to go the Linux-friendly laptop route I would suggest the System76 Oryx Pro 12. It is a Clevo PE60 chassis which is their only model with a vapor chamber. The firmware (both BIOS and EC) can be customized so it is closer to a desktop mainboard in that regard. I have the X370 myself but it has an inferior cooling system unfortunately so it has trouble with maintaining high combined loads. It is sad that the X170 has such a better cooling system than the X370. They literally cut the z-height in half from one generation to the next which was completely unnecessary for a "flagship" model.

Glad to see another 3080 mobile upgrade in the works! Mine has the same wear on the memory and its fine. I think its just an effect of the thermal pad grease at normal operating temperatures. Your current GPU should look the same way. My intial heatsink I ordered from RJTech / Sager was also bent upon arrival. I had to take many photos of the box and heatsink and they sent another out which arrived a week later that was actually double boxed and not bent. It was still faster than other options due to chinese new year going on at the time.

Disappointing to hear. His video was also made on the initial bios version so now things may need some other settings changed to get any benefit from undervolting. Its dissapointing because the HX chips are supposed to all be unlocked parts that we are definitely paying for their price, yet we see many implementations where Intel and an OEM has a double standard compared to an unlocked desktop chip of the same name. I personally consider MSI Center and any other similar preinstalled OEM software to be intrusive and unnecessary. Half of the time the features they support are buggy or become broken randomly by an automatic update. I tested out a 12th Gen GT77 but ended up returning it because the EC would periodically reset the fan table to its default value and MSI couldn't give an answer if they would even fix the issue in a future EC version. Now I just use the System76 machines with an open source BIOS and EC so I can just modify the fan table to my own preference without needing control software in any OS.

I had been following that issue (also from the post in the Windows section) and hoped a reasonable solution had been found. My thought was maybe Speedshift EPP had been erroneously manipulated by either a Windows update change, MSI Center or potentially even the EC. I do know that MSI pushed a bios update for the GT77 13th Gen last year that now limits sustained CPU TDP to around 120W regardless of the GPU state, CPU temperature or any other metric.

My X170SM is tuned to not go over 45db under load. That is part of why it's cooling system is so great as it can do 225w at a very reasonable noise level. I have considered adding noctua fans to my cooler master u3 plus to see if it adds more airflow for little added noise.

Here is Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Horizon Zero Dawn on my 150W 3080 mobile. Same card gets about 12k in Timespy as well: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/46227717

I purchased mine from rjtech for 269usd plus shipping. I went back and forth with a few AliExpress / eBay sellers but they ended up not having it in stock and shut down for Chinese new year.

Price: 2100usd + shipping SOLD locally Condition: Like new. I used it primarily as a DTR only. Warranty: Through 6/20/24 Reason for sale: Switched to X170SM Payment: Paypal, cash if local Item location: Loveland, CO Shipping: UPS or Fedex depending on your preference International shipping: PM me to discuss Handling time: 2-3 days Feedback: I have sold many laptops on the old NBR forums, but not here yet! Specification: 13900HX 4090 mobile 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5-5600 1TB SSD 240hz QHD Windows 11 Home Proof of ownership: Time Stamped pictures

In theory even the stock Clevo X170SM bios should boot with the 3060/3070/3080 mobile installed, just no Dynamic Boost, GSync and the driver has to be manually installed on Windows.

Thanks, although I think Q0/G1 is actually the stepping. My microcode version is CA according to HWInfo64. From what I have read from some enthusiast desktop forums maybe version EC is a good balance of performance and stability.

The performance is on par with 2080 Super mobile from my test results: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/45874152/spy/45854327 3080 mobile has 16GB memory, better 8nm process node, supports resizeable bar, better CUDA core utilization with FP32/INT32 redesign. Dynamic boost 2.0 needs Nvidia PCF support in the ACPI tables, which did not exist in the X170SM bios. Gsync is enabled by a driver whitelist which uses combinations of machine identifiers, vbios identifiers and display EDID identifiers. Fast Sync still works as an option for games configured to meet its criteria.