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Thanks for the insight. I agree 1DPC should always be superior. With the SAGE using a W-2400 chip it uses the two closest slots on each side. Hopefully the further slots for the non-present memory controllers are not as detrimental.

@tps3443 @ssj92 Do you think the Asus W790 SAGE would be better than the Asrock W790 regarding memory overclocking, as it is only 1DPC instead of 2DPC? I will only use the 2495X for now with 4x16GB, a single GPU and a storage adapter card. The SAGE also fully supports W-3400 so it could be more useful if I ever picked up one of those chips. Both of these boards are the same price right now and the $500 Asrock W790 R2.0 is not available at the moment.

Wow, these Xeon's are big. Sadly I ended up not getting a CPU carrier from either the used boxed processor or the new motherboard so still waiting on that to arrive separately before the weekend hopefully!

Got a few parts in today for the Sapphire Rapids build. Still waiting on the W7-2495X. It may arrive this week if the ebay seller decided to use USPS instead of UPS. Otherwise it was a holiday weekend so if its delayed that is fine. For now I will try to fit the build into my Antec P7 Neo. It isn't exactly a great case but was one of the few that did not have a window and also had a built in 5.25 drive bay. The same company here in Colorado that sells Clevo laptops with open firmware also has a line of custom desktop cases they manufacture in Denver. They have a model that can fit EATX called Nebula49 which should fit the board other than maybe needing to remove a fan header and not use the custom CPU heatsink duct if it interferes with the Noctua U14S.

They have multiple OEM SSD and RAM brands that could potentially be used. I have seen SK Hynix or Samsung DDR5-5600 and Samsung or Micron Gen4 SSDs. I believe the 240hz QHD+ 18 inch display is only made by AUO.

Yep I like the Team Group 4x16GB 6400 kit for $450. The 6400 CL32 kit should be a better bin than the 6000 CL32 kit, correct? I like the ASRock W790 WS. It has a good slot layout and other features. From what I read most or all of the bios bugs have been ironed out. The 2495X seemed like a decent deal at $1500. It should be a fun build and was more interesting to me than 9950X or 285K. It should hopefully lead to selling off all of my laptop projects other than my current one so it should be cheaper in the long run to mess around with.

That is awesome! These humonguous monolithic chips are too tempting. I picked up a W7-2495X off of eBay and am going to build a Sapphire Rapids setup. Thinking ASRock W790 WS but still need to figure out a good memory kit and power supply.

I was told the 100W limitation and iGPU being active in dGPU mode was per AMD design specification. There was a new bios update that did fix silent mode. However I think the audio dropout issue is AMD specific as it has also been reported on the Strix Scar 17.

I think the 2080 Super could boot in a KM board although some of the video outputs may not work correctly. It would also need a modded driver to get past the subsystem ID mismatch and GSync would likely not work either. The other disadvantages to the KM board is that you would not be able to use the fourth M.2 slot as it requires an 11th Gen chip with PCIe 4 lanes. The Prema bios also only works with the SM so it may be less performance from the same chip. I would say try contacting XMG and see if they still can order the X170SM board as a spare part without all of the extra import tariffs. They recently helped someone purchase an audio sub-board for it in their discord so I think some parts may still be available dispite the age. Sager still has parts as well in the USA as I picked up a stock heatsink compatible with the 3080 mobile earlier this year.

Mine is just running stock in the X170SM for now. Ram is still at 2933 as I was not able to get 3200 dual rank stable with my previous 10900K and switching it to test might mean bricking it and needing a recovery flash. There are a few bios configuration issues I have not sorted out yet as well so it tops out around 14,600 in CBR23 for now. I did not know Sapphire Rapids 2400/2500 were monolithic. For some reason I thought they were two tiles or even four with more disabled cores. w2595x sounds great. I have to read up more on it and the platform.

I am glad you picked one up! I was a bit upset earlier this year that I missed being able to buy a binned chip from Silicon Lottery or otherwise and figured I would only find one on ebay at this point. Arrow Lake should have just been a mobile only product. If efficiency was their intent they should have just refined it on a mobile platform until it can competitvely scale in a desktop. It should also not be locked down as you ought to be able to do what you want with the product you pay for. Sapphire Rapids sounds like it would be fun to build and tinker with. I guess its also a tile based product but maybe a better approach at it?

SP106 8x 0.829v 25x 0.829v 35x 0.944v 43x 1.049v 48x 1.139v 51x 1.254v 52x 1.334v 53x 1.349v It is already better than the previous one I was using by a good margin. Probably needs a delid and testing undervolt.

I don't buy this explanation. K should mean fully unlocked even if it's on air cooling. If it's a warranty issue they should just sell it without one. Maybe they are pulling it back on these but will allow it again on a further overpriced KS sku.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/s/JiInw5aX5M Mine isn't being opened up fully in the x170 obviously but it is still a great boost over a the mediocre 10900k I used before that could not even run 2x 3200 dual rank memory stable.

That is good to know!. I ended up getting a ML360 with the LTX Golden Sample 10900k I bought a couple of weeks ago.

Is there a pretty big performance penalty to use the drives in a pcie slot with an adapter instead?

This chip (285H) does not make sense as OEMs are not going to magically reverse course and provide sufficient cooling to sustain advertised clocks and performance. If its paired with any kind of mobile dedicated GPU expect performance to drop even more. Of course this line will also be a locked chip so you cannot properly tune it to be more efficient.

I am not even sure if the AMD Raider 18 supports Raid0. At least the CPU offers very good performance at its 100W cap. It is also killer networking free as the ethernet controller is a standard realtek 2.5gb and I have an Intel AX200 wifi card installed.

Almost all machines these days only support modern standby. I still hear stories of people finding their laptops woken up in a backpack cooking itself. S3 standby is not perfect either but I found it to be less of an issue with random wake ups occuring. Clevo did have a 2025 roadmap leak with products in each segment. On another note, Costco now has a raider 18 with QHD+ 240hz and 4090 for 3000usd. Great to see an Intel spec similarly priced to the AMD spec.

Oh, the AMD system is ok but I have learned some more of its limitations: The 7945HX3D I guess does not allow manipulation of its TDP, so despite the chip being capable of 120W+ it cannot go beyond the 100W limit allowed in the highest performance mode regardless of the temperature. The iGPU is always active, even in dGPU mode. Disabling modern standby in the bios does not seem to apply. The OS still reports it as available so it has to be disabled on an OS level. There are multiple bugs with modern standby on this system including the MUX randomly switching back to hybrid mode on wake, and the speakers randomly stop functioning on wake.

I need to list a bunch of laptops as well. Sadly still using laptops as my daily driver, just simply because of travel and able to easily move around the house as needed. The desktop is still very nice to have though. I am guessing a 9950X might be the best chip for handbrake encoding and 9950x3d would likely not be better. I still enjoy tinkering with open firmware on my System76 laptops but the next one needs to be the model that actually has a vapor chamber. The X370 really struggles with cooling and I have not seen any aftermarket heatsink options come out for it yet.

Some updates about the Raider 18 after a month. The Smokeless UMAF tool works with this model and allows access to "AMD Overclocking" bios options for further tuning. The important thing it allows is setting UCLK DIV1 MODE to UCLK=FCLK. It feels weird having to use this where MSI usually has access to everything For memory I have Kingston Fury 64GB (SKHynix A-die) installed running at 6000 CL46-43-43-86 for now, and infinity fabric running at 2000mhz. Swapped the Qualcomm wireless for an AX200 which is working great. I am not sure about the keyboard controller as I had an instance where the system cold booted with it set to static red. Brightness can be controlled but it only effects the keyboard itself, not the light bar in the front or lid logo. The front light bar can easily be unplugged but the lid logo is integrated into the display assembly so it cannot be unplugged without removing the display panel. This model is definitely not compatible with the Intel Raider 18 / Titan 18 heatsink as the CPU and GPU posts are in different locations.

This morning I saw this video talking about an improvement Asus is using to make 4-DIMM DDR5 able to reach higher speeds. I still think that two slots is more appropriate for the majority of systems these days.

I am surprised at how rare 2-DIMM boards are in product lineups. You would expect it to be an easier, less expensive layout to design and should be standard on all Z790 and X670 boards unless its marketed as a "Creator" or "Workstation" board who might need more than 96GB with an understood performance tradeoff.

Intel and AMD would have to stop offering HX laptop BGA chips. Up until mid 2022 it almost looked like it was going to happen. Intel was offering 12th Gen 6P + 8E chips as their top of the line BGA mobile chip, then quickly released 8P + 8e BGA chips again instead of just adopting the already existing LGA chips. All just to save a few millimeters of z-height which they were so excited to mention in the initial launch videos. I like how Intel quickly shifted to "socket height" being the biggest issue with DTR laptops, while ignoring bios bugs, feature support and quality control with thermal paste / heatsinks. Or even just hinting to an OEM that having a basic machine without extra crap tacked on is, in fact a feature to this type of product. I think nobody in their labs actually used a DTR in a proper manner because once you realize you have to haul a 2cm thick cooling pad around to even get close to advertised sustained performance then that few mm slimmed chassis becomes useless.