jaybee83

11 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

A little heads up: the paste is extremely hard to spread. Don't bother doing this since the paste is very thick. Just squash it down using your heatsink and use the mounting force to spread it for you.

 

People who say Nanogrease sucks say it sucks because it's so thick and hard to spread. There's no need to spread thermal paste yourself though, and I never understood why people do that. The heatsink will spread the paste for you when you screw it in.

11 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

I always spread it no probs, without preheating. Takes a few min. Clearly recall Phobya packaging has a recommendation to spread the paste, comes with a spatula for a reason. 

so far ive been the type to let the heatsink do the spreading, ive only dabbled once or twice in manual spatula spreads. im guessing its just a different application philosophy. GN for example seem to prefer the manual spatula spread, so might produce more consistent results in the hands of an experienced technician.

i imagine the spatula method would allow for varying heatsinks with differing surface properties (porosity & bend), as well as mounting pressure. whereas the heatsink spread method is easier to implement if u stick to the same heatsink and mounting pressure. just a hyothesis on my side though.

in the end, such discussions will likely have much less of an effect than the utilized paste or cooler itself 😄

9 hours ago, Etern4l said:

My .02: Phobya Nanogrease Extreme. Immediately blows Kryonaut out of the water, both on a laptop and desktop.

Tried CoolerMaster CryoFuse Nano (14 W/mK) sourced from Amazon US on a GPU, looks like a waste of time - minimal improvement over stock.

7 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

I concur. I use Nanogrease on all my systems, and it is the only thermal paste I use nowadays. It's the only paste worth using in a high performance system. The only thing better is liquid metal.

thats pretty high praise, might give it a shot.

On 10/28/2022 at 6:51 PM, Light said:

Real world I'm seeing a single core load (exporting a very large tiff file from a vector graphic to a raster image which is a single threaded operation and pegs one core while I wait for the menu to switch from optimized to adaptive) hover around 4.27 to 4.37 Ghz and a momentary peak at 4.43 Ghz in windows task manager.

dont trust task manager when it comes to clocks monitoring...rather use smth like hwinfo64.

9 hours ago, ryan said:

so your coming from a laptop eh?

 

what is the main drawback to gaming on desktop now, like do you enjoy it the same way.  I personally don't move my laptop

i found it weird not to be able to move my machine anymore, although i seldomly did anyways. i find it nice to have more space on the desk now, with only kb and mouse in front of me. but omg all that extra screen real estate going from 15 to 32 inches 😁

On 10/28/2022 at 9:24 PM, johnksss said:

Sorry guys, but I can't seem to let it go.😂😂 Zotac "trash" card was doing very respectable numbers. And really good vram and was up to about 550W max.

haha glad the "trash" card is treating u well 🙂 what are u getting on the vram? 

On 10/29/2022 at 1:20 PM, Etern4l said:

 

"Dear Reciever,

 

This an official cease and desist letter. The content posted on your toxic forum has been painting our reputable company in unduly unfavorable light. We request that the site is shut down immediately. Just as with the original NBR, this kind of negative online publicity will not be tolerated. Should this request be disregarded, we will consider taking appropriate legal action.

 

Sincerely,

NVIDIA Legal Team".

poor @Receiver, doesnt he already have enough on his hands in keeping us in line? hahaha

On 10/29/2022 at 2:31 PM, electrosoft said:

AMD is brewing up a monster....I'm tellin' ya here and now....

 

5700xt to 6950xt   = 2.36x uplift (Timespy)
6950xt to 7900xtx  = 2.0x+ uplift

Card      SP            BC         MBW       Bus
------------------------------------------
5700xt    2560    1905     14 Gbps   256-bit
6950xt    5120    2324     18 Gbps   256-bit          
7900xtx 12188    2700     20 Gbps  384-bit

-------------------------------------------

 

 

 

said it before and sticking to it: ill be one of the first to applaud AMD should they be able to beat the 4090 in any circumstances 🙂

On 10/29/2022 at 2:46 PM, Mr. Fox said:

For those of you that like small systems and don't loathe air cooling, the rig it this guy's signature is very cool. It looks like a speaker or amplifier box with a mini-ITX inside of it. Pretty creative idea that looks neat even though I don't think I would like owning it. The specs are pretty unimpressive, but it looks great as a novelty build.

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damn, 8600+, thats insane... i already feel so old n slow with the 6600 M Die modules in my system... 😂😅

On 10/29/2022 at 6:19 PM, Reciever said:

 

Good Afternoon,

 

How unfortunate! Wish you the best of luck, I cant even get these blokes not to double-triple post so often. Besides, they have been scorning AMD for a near decade for its lackluster presence in the laptop market. Pendulums only swing so far before returning, though in this case it seems you gave it a helping hand. Something about a fancy form over function connector that melts? Perhaps focus is do in that arena.

 

Sincerely,

Internet Bloke

 

 

LOL ok, hes got it under control...and yep, as i said, already busy enough with keeping us in line 😂

On 10/29/2022 at 7:59 PM, johnksss said:

I guess if we start experiencing 3.0 PSU and power cable (single cable) failures then we could assume so, but as of right now no one has came forth with that as being an issue....YET!

 

Not sure how those single cables are put together because no one has torn one apart yet. I would really need to see that before submitting 100% to the idea that it is also safe.

 

Edit

To add, it was actually one of the main reasons driving me forward with that purchase. It was 1 cable and not 4 or 3 cables into 1

word, i had the same thinking with going native 12VHPWR

On 10/30/2022 at 5:43 PM, Reciever said:

Same modules. I let them run default to get the CPU OC to 51 first then start working on the memory.

 

Then switched it to XMP 1, no POST, XMP 2, no POST. 

 

Perhaps I have the wrong DIMM slots populated, checking now. Looks like A1B1.

 

From what I am reading here, looks like I should move the DIMMS over 1 position each to A2/B2?

yep i had the exact same issue when i first put together Hyperion, wouldnt boot at all because i put the sticks into A1B1 (which normally makes total sense since theyre closer to the cpu socket). but nope, A2B2 first! no idea why they chose to go this route.

haha thx for the kind words guys. and no worries, the updates will resume once im back 😁 still a TON of tuning left to do on Hyperion!

big fat greetz from the Yucatan

14 hours ago, JeanLegi said:

But he can use it on 3.0 gen so why not and it should not get so hot like nvme which work with PCIe 3.0 Gen..

I would say with temperatures the KC3000 could be the better option and for the future a little upgrade.

8 hours ago, SvenC said:

I chose the KC3000 even though my Dell 7740 has only PCIe 3, because I'll take it over to next laptop. And I found only the WD SN700 to be cheaper when looking for 4TB drives - so I saw no reason to go with a PCIe 3.0 one.

nice little future proofing, nothing wrong with that 🙂 should deffo run cooler at the limited 3.0 speeds! 

6 hours ago, cucubits said:

I'm working up the courage to start Elden Ring finally... installed it yesterday, haven't fired it up yet. 

 

I really should pick up all the souls series again. I only ever finished DS1, with 2 I got close to the end and 3 I stopped at one of the midgame bosses which at that point just seemed impossible.

working up the courage? is it that intimidating? haha

23 hours ago, Sandy Bridge said:

This has been an interesting twist in the new GPU generation - the melting of 16-pin adapters on the RTX 4090.  I don't know if there is any way to estimate how prevalent the problem is, but it sounds like it's more than just one or two rogue GPUs.

 

Should we start taking bets on how long it will be until there's a class action lawsuit?  Would you buy an RTX 4090 today given the stories of melting 16-pin adapters?  If you've already bought one, are you concerned about your GPU going up in a puff of smoke?

 

I wasn't in the market anyway due to the price and having no need for that level of performance, but I definitely wouldn't buy a GPU with that sort of problem.

heck yeah i was worried when those stories first came up. i checked my 4090 like every 5 minutes for any power cable sag / bend! such an elation to find out the issue likely lies with the standard Nvidia 8pin to 16 pin adapters! best decision i ever made in such a context to go with a high quality seasonic psu that has a native 16pin PCIe 5.0 power cable 🙂 plus, the humongous Phanteks Enthoo Pro II case also helps, sporting more than enough "girth" to leave sufficient space for the power cable protruding from the gpu, basically no bent at the connector itself and only very gradual bending of the cable downstream from the connector.

also wondering if that speed entry is really something read out "live" or if that is just a spec listing of some kind. what are ur actual clocks under idle, multi and single core load?

7 hours ago, Reciever said:

I plan to institute some changes that will help alleviate that. Getting rid of compilation/mosh pit threads in certain areas will do wonders. I discovered that for one of our Official threads its top 3 search result when googling via the name of the system. Official NH55JNNQ started by @electrosoft

So, some standardization in certain areas will be key to elevating the forums in terms of search results.

mwahaha, i noticed the same when googling for the NH55JNNQ, patting myself on the back on building up that thread with brother @electrosoft and @win32asmguy. fun times!

3 hours ago, ryan said:

@cylixI want your autograph on my chest lol...your a living legend like @jaybee83.. you guys literally bought desktops at the best time in ten years

LOL i laughed at that comment hahaha. but ure right, boy am i glad i held out through the whole pandemic hardware scam and waited for Zen4 and RXT 4090, the amount of performance u can get nowadays for pretty good pricing is absolutely insane.

3 hours ago, Reciever said:

Which is Why I dont intend to remove them altogether, where those groups exist, they will just have to be honest with the thread title. For news, having a compilation thread for it makes no sense at all functionally. For Official threads its just some standardization for thread titles and its OP's to a small degree. 

 

Initially we retained most of the forum structure and just letting time tell where we should curate, admittedly quite a bit of time has passed since we launched. We plan to move the ball forward in November as work begins to slow down.

being honest with the thread title, eh? id imagine the benchmark thread would be like: coffeeshop / townsquare for ex-DTR geeks turned desktop-freaks 😄

3 hours ago, ryan said:

dude holy smokes thats a nice score!!!

 

can you PLLLLLEEEEEAASE run crysis remastered maxed no dlss 4k and just post a pic of typical gameplay. and dude your PC is gods throne worthy

haha would love to my dude, unfortunately im about to head to Mexico with the missus for our honeymoon. so no hardware playground for the next two weeks! sucks to be me i guess lulz 😂

On 10/28/2022 at 9:46 AM, johnksss said:

I guess I mean out of the box doing nothing but set clocks and see if it can do it. No extra cooling or mods or repasting or anything else. 1500 and start port royal, no crazy artifacts(you can get always with about 10 to 15 seconds in and stop if one sees nothing), then go 1600 and then 1700 and then 1800. Up till it gets funky then back down a bit until stable and then run full test. Usually takes about 5 to 10 minutes max to find out if the memory is good or not.

yep, so specifically for port royal it tops out at roughly +1600-1625, at 1650 and above it starts artifacting / crashing to desktop. im using a suite of 11 stress tests to finetune for 24/7 stability, port royal is just the first step i take to get a quick idea of performance increase and rough stability range. so basically started with +1600 in port royal and dialed it down step by step to +1550 while going through the suite.

btw, just finished up with the core, +200 stable 🙂 but im gonna try for +205 haha. in any case, clocks end up in the range of 3060-3120 depending on load and core temps. not bad!

highest power draw on the gpu itself that i saw was 560W, with gpu rails maxing out at a whopping 675W! crazy stuff, but temps were always under control, i think the absolute hottest hotspot temp that i saw was in the low to mid 80s in furmark / kombustor. so no worries on that front! usually its more like in the 70s, with junction temp in the mid 60s to low 70s.

On 10/28/2022 at 2:04 PM, electrosoft said:

Took my game drive over to my buddy's house earlier today (the one I sold my 12900ks) as he picked up a Suprim 4090 air cooled model  a few days ago from MC. He's still on the 12900ks and has no desire to upgrade to 13th. He went there to get a new M.2 for more storage and saw they had a few in stock and just said, "Ehhhh....why not?" 😉

 

 

My monitor tops out at 144hz while his is 4k 240hz (Xeneon).

 

WoW FPS gain I get ~140-150sh in the good spots in SL uncapped (I usually keep display capped at 140fps in NVCP) but outdoor raid bosses in SL can sink my 3090ti to the low 50s / high 40s. 4090?  Same spots hitting 210+. Those outdoor bosses can still sink a 4090 to 65-80fps but nowhere does it sink below 60fps anywhere everything ultra, RT to max. While the Nvidia readout said 65fps-80fps in a full encounter, it still felt so silky smooth versus how it can get a bit chunky with the 3090ti.

 

Ardenweald the zone GPU slayer? 3090ti = ~75fps avg, 4090 = 120fps.

 

What I confirmed was none of those Ryzen dips which are just brutal. I hope they work that out sooner than later but seeing as they are still there from the 5000 series ugh....

 

Fallout76 went from 80-150 up to 110-240.

 

Locking the fps to ~58fps in NVCP to simulate my 60hz G-sync 4k 32" BenQ and watching the pull just plummet to 140w-250w just about everywhere was nice to see. Even Ardenweald and outdoor raid bosses it topped out around 300w whereas my KPE 3090ti will hit 425-450w no problem.

 

Coil whine was pretty monstrous......luck of the draw I suppose. If I had picked that card up it would have been going right back.

 

Yeah, that 4090 is a beast. It isn't so much the highs for me as the min/lows it really pumps up quite nicely. If I switched back to my G-sync compatible BenQ 4k 32" 60hz display I would basically get that full 60fps locked in everywhere and most times the 4090 would be pulling so low too.

 

 

yep, can confirm the coil whine on my suprim x, as well. although it doesnt bother me at all, i actually just tested for it after i got the card after i saw so many users on overclock.net whining about that 😄 glad im not as sensitive towards that haha, cant hear it at all while gaming or benching.

and yes, the 4090 is such a monster in so many ways! can go up insanely high with power consumtion if u push it, at the same time it can be soooo frugal in terms of wattage per fps if u trim it down via UV or fps limiter. while playing wolfenstein the new order i brought it down to 90W avg for 60 fps locked at 4K everything maxed lulz

i absolutely love this card! 🙂 

On 10/28/2022 at 3:14 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Maybe the person that built the system wanted to pull air away from the GPU rather than pushing cooler fresh air to it. Some people act like they really hate their expensive computer parts. but I think it is often a matter of ignorance or poor judgment.

my guess is looks. just "looks nice" to see the front of the fans when looking into the case. unfortunately, that goes against any logic in terms of airflow 😂

On 10/28/2022 at 3:54 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, both of them are nice products. Especially the delid tool. Very well engineered.

 

I hope he makes a die frame for 12th and 13th Gen Intel. I would love to ditch the IHS. I really miss running bare die.

keeping an eye on this. might come in handy later down the line 🙂 

3 hours ago, Scruffy said:

nope im not into it and dunno where to look at 😄

 

about ur high temperature i would just downclock the speed of cpu to around 4.6ghz

sounds about right to me for high cpu loads without AVX and pulling all cooling stops available to the user.

3 hours ago, srs2236 said:

Actually, I was thinking about this for a little while now.

 

I always run my fans at max speed. When I did the Superposition benchmark the GPU draw a constant 150W, yet it ran so comfortably cool reaching only 60C at the very last moments of the benchmark.

 

Yet, If I run a CPU benchmark like Cinebench at 150W, one of the CPU cores reaches 99C almost immediately.

 

Something doesn't feel right... I know for a fact the GPU side has more copper mass but still. Starts to sound like poor thermal transfer to me.

 

Maybe it's the fact that the GPU is direct die? Or maybe just has a better contact... I use Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut for both.

I am very afraid of liquid metal for the fact that it can destroy the whole PC if not applied correctly + the issue of re-application because of LM + copper problems.

 

I have been thinking about the IHS and change of thermal paste though.

 

The idea was to change IHS to a bigger one and put LM under the IHS. Then maybe change thermal paste from Kryonaut to the Honeywell phase change one. Seen some people praise it a lot.

dont expect to get 9900KS desktop stock performance in your machine. even with delid, liquid metal, highend thermal paste, higher contact pressure and highend pads + higher pressure on the CPU VRMs i wasnt able to get stock desktop performance out of my SIlicon Lottery binned 9900K. as bro @Recieveralready said, ull need to get creative 😄 

might that be the max multicore clocks? max boost as listed by intel is only the single core max.

9 hours ago, ryan said:

cable vs fibre?

 

honestly I can get 1gbps with copper...I think it can go higher like 5gbps and up.....fibre isn't what the game changer is..

 

I pay 87 for unlimited home phone and 500mbps..not bad but I don't live in calgary or edmonton anymore so its kinda normal to have 1gbps pretty much everywhere here in canada unless you live in a igloo up north

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

Fiber is absolutely a game changer, problem is many people pay for fiber but only up to the junction box, not directly to their homes.

yep, for now Fibre only brings marginal real life speed bumps, but long term its a total game changer. copper can only do so much.

1 hour ago, cylix said:

AMD 5800x3d selling like crazy, more then the whole new Ryzen lineup

lol damn thats crazy. so looks like both RPL and Zen4 are on similar levels. but where is the 13900K?

22 hours ago, ryan said:

what are you scoring in timespy?

quick n dirty run at stock. although time spy is not really interesting to me, i optimize gpu performance for 4K. thats also what i set when tuning the vRAM and core atm.

vRAM now all set at +1550 Mhz 24/7 stable (=24.1 Gbps), core currently at +200 Mhz (= 3060-3120 Mhz depending on load type and core temp), but havent finished my stability test suite yet, so could potentially end up a bit lower than that.

13 hours ago, KING19 said:

NVIDIA Game Ready Driver 526.47 - WHQL

 

Game Ready

This new Game Ready Driver provides the best day-0 gaming experience for Sackboy: A Big Adventure, which features ray-traced reflections, shadows, and ambient occlusion effects and utilizes NVIDIA DLSS Super Resolution for up to 2.5x faster performance. In addition, this new Game Ready Driver offers support for Victoria 3, WRC Generations – The FIA WRC Official Game, and the addition of DLSS 3 to F1 22.

 

Article:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/sackboy-a-big-adventure-pc-geforce-game-ready-driver/

 

Release Notes:

https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/526.47/526.47-win11-win10-release-notes.pdf

 

It fixes the map bug in Cyberpunk 2077

 

Feedback:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/503224/geforce-grd-52647-feedback-thread-released-102722/

 

 

at least based on the changelog no reason for me to upgrade yet, sticking to 522.25

18 hours ago, tps3443 said:

My 13900KF overclocked is literally 300% faster than a stock 11900K in R23 MT. Pretty crazy. 
 

 

Great chips for sure. I’m testing mine at 5.5Ghz all cores, HT enabled, E-Cores enabled, and it’s peak power is 250 watts during R23 still scoring 40,660. I’m losing nothing in terms of performance and it brings the 13900K down near the AMD 7950X in terms of power levels. 

Good AIO could handle that. Definitely an improvement over last Gen.

those recent jumps in CPU performance are definitely insane. were approaching GPU style changes more and more, not just with performance jumps but also the way the hardware works (i.e. different core types, dynamic boosting behaviour, high number of cores, etc.)

just dont make the error of equaling such a golden chip with overall 13900K standards 😄 

17 hours ago, johnksss said:

So your card wont do 1700+ on memory?

well, i guess it depends what ure looking for. im testing for max. 24/7 stability on auto fan curve. for benching i think id be able to do +1650 on auto curve, at max fans and better case cooling 1700+ could be doable.

also, havent repasted / repadded anything yet, full stock.

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 OC Shootout: ASUS, COLORFUL, FE, MSI, GAINWARD tweaktown.com
The ultimate GeForce RTX 4090 overclocking showdown: ASUS vs COLORFUL vs GAINWARD vs MSI vs Founders Edition... which overclocks the best?

 

Best Overclocker
You'd probably think it was the ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 OC Edition that is the best overclocker, but you'd be wrong... the ROG Strix RTX 4090 was topping out at just 2940MHz but your results may vary. The best overclocker that I've got here with my pile of custom GeForce RTX 4090 graphics cards is NVIDIA's own GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition which hit 3080MHz (but crashed) but was perfectly stable at 3060MHz.

 

Fun seeing Nvidia eat up their partners🙂 A good beginning before we see next chapter "eat their own" (5x90 FE). Have control on chips and memory chips bin quality/supply chain, pay off. Give it one of the best price tag help as well. Nvidia vs AIB partners = 1-0

huh, looks like mine aint that bad, currently still tuning the core but im at +200 offset resulting in load clocks of 3060-3120 Mhz depending on load type and core temps. full stock it runs 2850 and 2925 with maxed power / voltage limits (without clock offset).

but lets be honest, a total spread of 4% going from worst to best really aint nothing to write home about. i wouldnt even call that "binning", might as well just be (un)luck of the draw. still, its funny to see the most expensive card coming in last here lulz

8 hours ago, johnksss said:

Wait? Why no trash card in the list? Are they being haters?😂

maybe theyll do a separate piece on "trash card" performance 😂

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Man, you're missing out using XTU brother. It's handy, yes, very, but it is a virus that consumes system resources and impairs performance. It adds extra services to your Windows installation.

 

You should be using Dragon Power and Dragon Ball for CPU and memory tuning. If the version I have works for 13th Gen you'll be set. Dragonball works on my ASUS Strix for memory tuning in Windows. Both programs work really well for me, especially Dragon Ball. Neither of them consumes resources like XTU does. When you apply settings and close them, there is nothing left running and neither one of them are modern UWP filth. They are "portable" apps that work on Windows 7.

MSI Dragon Ball1.0.0.08.zip 3.82 MB · 0 downloads MSI Dragon Power1.0.0.6-intel.zip 4.81 MB · 0 downloads

 

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thanks again for the software pointers bro Fox, unfortunately MSI Dragon Ball doesnt play BALL (pun intended) with my 7950X 😄 

2 hours ago, Bullit said:

I am also considering the WD 770, it basically that or the EVO plus.

i guess u cant go wrong with either of those 🙂 

19 hours ago, ryan said:

very impressive. extremely jealous

 

entern4l is here now...holy smokes things are looking up..in case you guys don't remember him hes NBRs last genius. not many people like him reminds me of hmscott. too bad hmscott doesn't come back. NBR mod charles P jefferies banned alot of solid members, hence the dead NBR

haha no worries on that front, NBR members are still trickling in here on a daily basis 🙂

21 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I got a private message from CENS he wants to buy my 13900KF and LN2 it apparently. 

 

 

 

 

 

haha ure turning heads, congratz! are you gonna take him up on his offer? might wanna ask what they have in mind with "something nice" from EVGA. too bad they dont make GPUs anymore 😄

aw man, wish i could join u guys in CPU and RAM OC here, had a loooot to catch up on esp regarding Ryzen 7000 tuning. but im now slowly getting an idea of what settings matter and what approaches would be promising. in any case, currently started off with tuning the 4090, easiest and quickest to do for now 😛 got +1550 Mhz stable for 24/7 on the vRAM (= 24.1 Gbps), now turning my focus on the core. lets see what we get!

really happy with the STRIX OC vbios so far, lets me downclock and force way lower limits than before for desktop usage. also not bumping into power limits anymore, which is nice! 🙂 lets see if it stays that way once i start bumping up the core.

45 minutes ago, RS4 said:

For notebooks the most important metric is power/battery efficiency and SK Hynix Gold P31 is the big winner in that department, Anandtech review:

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16012/the-sk-hynix-gold-p31-ssd-review/8

 

 

yep at first i was thinking of that as well. but its not available in europe, which i assume is the OP's location due to him/her citing prices in €. so would have to add shipping and import taxes from the US, Korea, China or Taiwan (those are the listings ive seen so far on ebay).