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  1. 1610ftw
    Reading you power consumption numbers made me check the 9980HK in my MSI GT75. Here is what it pulls at the beginning of a CB R15 run, 4.7 GHz seems to be the sweet spot: 4.3 GHz: 96 watt 4.5 GHz: 112 watt 4.7 GHz: 119 watt 4.8 GHz: 129 watt 4.9 GHz: 141 watt The 4.9Ghz CB R15 finishes at a max of 147 watt with a max temperature of 87C and a score of 2134 As I said previously you may want to try another sample of the QJT1 as this looks like some really bad 9880H style efficiency in a system that would really benefit from an above average CPU.
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    😄 If they were desperate they would sell it cheaper 🙂 Yes the Clevo units are less but I would also say that they are less refined overall and screen and performance will not be at the same level. That being said this year I would not go with MSI but take a closer look at Clevo, Acer and Gigabyte as they all have at least three SSD slots and 4 memory slots. These are a lot more interesting as I have zero interest in a high performance GPU and a UHD screen, I want a smaller and cheaper GPU, TB5 and a QHD screen.
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    OK, I checked a 9900KS that I have here at the moment which is not that efficient and it needs about 125W when starting an all core 4.5GHz Cinebench R23. You may want to check what your chip needs. I always use the watt number that the chip stabilizes to in Throttlestop as that is the number that is not inflated by the chip getting hotter over time so it takes out the variable of cooling.
  4. 1610ftw
    Solid choice - let us know how you like it!
  5. 1610ftw
    Can now be configured at laptopparts4less: https://laptopparts4less.frl/Clevo-X580WNR-G-laptop-samenstellen-ANSI/Clevo-X850WNR-G-RTX-5070-Ti-Intel-275HX-game-laptop-samenstellen Schenker had it online, too it seems but not any more: https://bestware.com/de/ske18pe25.html
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    No recommendation for 17" as it is pretty much a dead screen size right now as far as higher end Dell, HP and Lenovo are concerned. If I had to get something new right now from these three manufacturers with a 1920 x 1200 screen then it would be the only 18" choice out there which is the Alienware M18: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/alienware-m18-r2-gaming-laptop/spd/alienware-m18-r2-laptop/useashctom18r201#customization-anchor It is bad timing though as most of the 18" Alienware units seem to be sold off by now including the model with the AMD CPU that they had and the new Alienwares and 18" Pro Max are not yet available. So as I said if you need something now as in right now it is bad timing and anything relatively cheap that could tide me over until the good stuff becomes available would be my choice like for example this one: urlr.me/eW6HJa
  7. 1610ftw
    What @win32asmguy and @song_1118 said. The ThinkPad P16 Gen 2 is indeed a very strong contender and would be my current 16" pick if I was happy with two SSDs. Edit: Still not a big fan though of 16" and if you are happy now with 17" and most of the time not restricted while traveling then why not go a bit bigger still? Very nice to work with a bigger screen and the added size will not be an issue when traveling by car.
  8. 1610ftw
    Yes, the prices for these chips can be great. Have you considered getting another one to see if it needs less power? That benchmark is rather bad but let's see how much higher you can go once you have the new heatsink and some good TIM.
  9. 1610ftw
    That is unfortunate about the power consumption, looks like a bad bin. There are 9980HK and 9900K that only pull something between 110 and 125W at 4.5 GHz which of course would be rather helpful in your case. You may want to downscale your all core speed to something like maybe 4.0 GHz for now and then go with higher speeds only for 6, 4 and 2 cores, something like for example 4.0, 4.5, 4.8 and 5.0. The DM models are not that well suited for higher power draws as they were only intended to be used with 4 Core CPUs and from what I recall @Prema did not want to incorporate support for the 8 core CPUs in his Prema bios for the DM models because of this, only for 6 cores. I would still see it as a very good idea to try and improve cooling in order to sustain more than 80 or 90W but I am not sure that even with proper cooling you can expect to sustain a constant load without long term issues due to weak VRMs. It is a bit like using a 110 power supply when you laptop constantly draws 150W - cooling will only get you so far.
  10. 1610ftw
    Have you checked something like Crystal Disk Mark and still it was only 2600 internally for read and write? In any case you will not see more than 3500 MB/s. Externally you will need a TB3 enclosure like this one: https://www.amazon.com/Enclosure-Aluminum-External-Support-Compatible/dp/B0BBZT42HC?th=1
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    Are you sure it is the VRM thermals? CPU temperature as per throttlestop still in check? You could try new thermal pads or if you feel ambitious some higher end thermal putty to better cool the VRM's like here Upsiren UTP-8 or something similar. Here is a good starting point for reading about thermal putty: Snarks Domain - YouTube Also is the power consumption with substantial undervolting? Seems awfully high for 4.5Ghz with CB R15, should be more like 120 to 135W
  12. 1610ftw
    This was always going to be rather unattractive pricing but $6K is something else.
  13. 1610ftw
    Correct but for your use case it seems worth the wait. Edit: Just saw you may indeed need something now. A bit of a shame as none of the new laptop generation workstations have been released. You may try an LG Gram 17 refurb in that case and switch to something else later as I think you will find it too flimsy.
  14. 1610ftw
    Get the Dell Pro Max 18 Plus instead if it has to be one of the big 3 of Dell, HP or Lenovo: up to 4 SSDs up to 256GB memory professional chassis easier maintenance than M18 You can get it with a smaller GPU and probably with a longer warranty than the M18. And yes it will be less powerful but probably not much of an issue coming from the XPS 17 that it will surpass easily. Best info on it that I have seen:
  15. 1610ftw
    Maybe stating the obvious but I recommend to keep the screen just a bit open as temps will be better. I usually shoot for two ca. 1 to 1.5" foam pieces at the front to create a gap where the warm air from the keyboard deck can get out. I am doing that with all my laptops when their screen isn't used and it certainly makes a difference.
  16. 1610ftw
    You need to activate the AW overclocking as otherwise clocks are too low. You should at the minimum be able to do something llike 46 / 38 all cores on this unit. Here is what looks like a good guide for Throttlestop: Here you find some discussion regarding the AW overclocking, looks like a pita to me. The good news is that it still seems to work for your model but do not play with core isolation as that may break Throttlestop functionality:
  17. 1610ftw
    Sorry, have to pass here but indeed you should first confirm that the overclocking is activated and what the recommended firmware is, could already be mentioned in one of the threads on here. Throttlestop allows to undervolt indeed and it also has a window view that will allow you to check power uptake during a CB run. In any case you can do both things in parallel. What I like about Throttlestop is that it shows you power uptake in real time and maximum uptake, too. So you can see how high it goes at most and also when it throttles down. AWCC used to be an abomination and I eliminated it from my 51m R1. Not sure how bad it is today but you may want to look into it possibly holding you back or causing weird issues.
  18. 1610ftw
    About the throttling: Get Throttlestop and check how much power you can sustain on the CPU, should be about 160W long term and at least 200W for a single run of CB R23. That is with internal fans only and no help from the cooling pad. Just lift the rear of the laptop by at least an inch for additional ventilation. I use a Ringke folding stand that I also travel with but there are other options, too. Next thing to do would be to undervolt and then you should get at least 35000 in a single run with 99C prochot.
  19. 1610ftw
    Wow - that fan noise does not sound sustainable! I would not be surprised if your liquid metal application is not that grest - it happened before.
  20. 1610ftw
    Newegg probably thought that it must be 2x8 as 1x16 makes zero sense 😄 Yep those 4 core CPUs were cooled very well, 70s at most.
  21. 1610ftw
    I am sure it will have some effect but much less so than a more open design where such a cooler would blow cool air directly onto the heatsink. I have a 51m R1 and it suffers from the same issue - much worse cooling with a bottom cooling pad than for example an MSI laptop that have the heatpipes exposed at the bottom with plenty of cooling. MSI had such a design from the GT73 to the GT76, they were very well suited for cooling pads. By the way: I had to laugh: I really like the GT73/75 chassis from MSI but I also have a GT75 with a single memory stick on the other side of the motherboard - pricks 😄
  22. 1610ftw
    Yep he does but he is talking about the Neo which is the Tongfang chassis. Key = Clevo 18" = 330W PSU Neo = Tongfang 16" = 420W PSU - biggest stock laptop PSU from what I know As @win32asmguy says this will cost more than the X370 but it is also improved compared to it: at least slightly better cooling more drive slots more memory better audio with a dedicated sub bigger screen two high refresh rate high resolution screen options
  23. 1610ftw
    To my my knowledge the hinges mainly were an issue with earlier models and even those were usually not top of the line. Recently they have made improvements to the hinge design of the lower tier, too so you should be safe with at least anything from the Vector series upwards.
  24. 1610ftw
    It should be safe once in place but you have to be careful to assure it stays in place while mounting the heatsink. In my testing (air only) I was not happy with the performance of these sheets compared to my phase change solution so I only use them for testing and nothing else. If you feel uneasy about conductive TIM then use PTM7950 pads - non-conductive, great longevity and great temperatures: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ptm7950 I have not seen degradation since the first units I used them for - no pump-out, no drying out.
  25. 1610ftw
    Please note that the water cooling option is only for the 16" Uniwill / TongFang chassis. Best air cooling this gen will probably be MSI or Aorus with their vapor chambers but Clevo offers the only 4+4 memory / drive option and it also is the only one that would not look out of place in a professional setting.
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