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@kojack I recently treated myself to the Vector 18 with AMD CPU and indeed the MSI fan curves are pretty worthless unless you can live with silent mode but as that seems to limit the GPU quite a bit I doubt that. So if that is not the case I suggest you look into this nice piece of software: https://codeberg.org/Sparronator9999/YAMDCC If you scroll down here somebody posts a profile for your Cyborg or so it seems: Cyborg 15 A12UC profile, use at you own risk of course: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DdwH0KGt9yhNbVOrUG7ZI6jGkeNBiTTJ/view?pli=1 I have used a self-made profile for the Vector for a couple of weeks now and I had zero crashes. How safe it is I cannot say of course but it is safe to say that I am not a fan of the MSI software for our laptops, not even the more simple one from MSI Turkey that would be another alternative if you want to bypass the overly annoying MSI center: I have used that one before and it is possibly a bit safer / official but I prefer the better granularity of YAMDCC. Another bonus is that YAMDCC also enables me to put the fans on full blast from time to time without having to touch my Vector when docked - very convenient.

Oh, that is too bad. I am not even sure what I did with mine but the CPU is still overclockable and I can also undervolt it and I was able to play a bit with the memory. At last in theory as it is not possible to do much tweaking with 4x32GB sticks...

I would avoid but then I already got an expensive bios and inept support from them, might as well have burned that money and would have been a lot better off. That aside there are several bios options to choose from, including one that has been mentioned earlier in this thread that even unlocks obscure settings like the ones for the Intel iGPU. I used that version for a while and then switched to the last XMG bios as supposedly it is very stable and with a 10th gen CPU it certainly is. Or add Clevo bios unlocker to your current (non-XMG) bios and you are set, it is mentioned earlier in this thread and there are multiple links in the first post to get you started.

Hope you get to the bottom of this as your GPU temps at only 140W do indeed seem excessive. Can you check which temperatures you end up with in Time Spy? In my experience its max temps are a better indicator for temps you may find in gaming and I am curious how much lower they would be than your Furmark temperatures. Just checked a run I did with an XMG P775 with the 9900K and it went up to 62C tops with an almost 11K score but if I had to guess it is possible that I kept the bottom cover off and I always prop up the back by about 5cm with a folding stand.

Thanks for taking those measurements - at least 322W is no problem for the power supply provided that it is not defective.. Your temps seem quite hot and I suggest you get those temps sorted out first, as with a total power uptake of less than 200W your GPU probably only consumes 150W and it should be a lot cooler at 150W. With a card that old I would shoot for 70C max for the GPU and 85C for the VRAM when gaming and then take it from there and replace only when these conditions have been met and it is still acting up. If you are not sure what to do you could either improve the existing pads and add some PTM7950 or you could get some thermal putty which is a bit more forgiving but also more of a mess:

So I checked and 80W can be sustained with a 10 minute CB R23 loop. Due to the anemic fan speeds the CPU reaches up to 99C I made a quick check with lower limits and I arrived at around 95C with 75W and 90C with 70W power limit. I also checked 55W and that is more like 80C and the fans ramp down already with that power target. That is all with the laptop closed and including the GPU and with the back propped up by about 4cm for better airflow.

Last thing about Eurocom from me: In the end it was almost comical to see how they weasled themselves out of doing the right thing. It was not about a big amount of money and I shudder to think what would have happened if I had bought something really expensive from them. Looking at your GPU it is clear that paying attention to the pad thickness and choosing the right pads seems to be quite involved and makes me consider to finally try my thermal putty that I have sitting arround for quite some time now - if only it wasn't so messy.

First off, glad you got it solved! I think there are a bunch of issues at work here and it would be really cool if somebody could put his power-brick into some kind of watt-o-meter and measure real power draw at the wall. From what I recall the old power bricks that were rated for 330W could go up to 400W and I am not sure how realistic it is to sustain even 330W for any length of time, certainly rather improbable with stock cooling. As you mentioned Eurocom I thought it was clear that I meant them. Personally I didn't have the best experience with their hardware and a software purchase turned out to be a real dumpster fire of a customer experience.

I wanted to post this earlier but it took me some time to remember the context I had seen it in. Before anybody buys a motherboard from a certain company on ebay that I and others have not had the best experiences with please consider the original design of the P775. Especially with a GPU pulling 200W it is easy to see how there would be problems considering the official 250W combined CPU and GPU limit for this chassis that you can see here in comparison to the X170: source: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Clevo-to-release-monster-17-inch-X170-gaming-laptops-powered-by-Intel-s-Comet-Lake-S-10-core-desktop-grade-CPUs.453755.0.html So as @Khenglish points out the embedded controller will most probably cause a shutdown at some point given the relatively low combined TDP and no new motherboard or 780W power supply will change that.

Wow - I am impressed 🙂 I will have a look at my Zbook 17 G6 later to let you know what I can get in temperature and sustained watts over a 10 minute CB R23 run. Unfortunately no Intel XTU for me due to the stupid locked down bios. The 5000 is a very nice card - I only have the 4000.

That is indeed interesting and another design fail. Unfortunately my Zbook 17 G6 is also the one laptop that empties its battery in record time when not connected and I haven't had time to get to the bottom of it. The fan curve is really stupid. I suggest to get PWM7950 for it to keep temps as low as possible but even then the fan curve is severely limiting power due to its emphasis of silence over anything else. If you ran updates already then it probably does not matter any more but if you haven't you should block bios updates in device manager as previous bios versions would allow third party fan control and undervolting via Throttlestop or Intel XTU but HP took all of that away in later bios. What I would do to mitigate issues further is to use Intel XTU in order to limit maximum CPU power to something like 75 or 80W and you can also try to limit the hottest cores to lower max clock speeds - usually the 9850H will run very hot on a core or too which will cause it to throttle a lot faster than needed. If that is not possible you can still use Throttlestop to limit maximum power to the CPU and again I would go for 75 or 80W as that will give you a more even user experience than the spiking that you get when power is ramping up to 100W. I am also not sure if it is possible to go back to an earlier bios but I am lucky in that I am in a situation where I do not have to risk going back as my use case is such that I can live with the current fan curve. This is a magnificent chassis with very bad software and on top of that is is also completely locked down in the final bios version which is a worst case combination. Because of that it will also be my last HP laptop for now until I see that they have a design that has great hardware AND software.

Which CPU do you have and what are your settings in power options? You want max CPU power at 100% at least when connected to power. Even at 99% the turbo boost will be disabled and it may be that this is happening and/or you are stuck in power saving mode. At 2.9GHz you probably have the Xeon E-2286M?

Xeons are history since Intel started with big / small CPUs so not sure if you are serious? 🙂 You should look at the Legion 9i for this gen - it has the keyboard, GPU and screen that you want and it is also a more powerful machine that won't drain the battery while you are gaming.

Sorry to hear about your experience - having to send the SSD to Taiwan really sucks! BUT: At least TeamGroup is one of the companies that extends its warranty to people who buy their SSDs second hand while with others you get nothing when one of their SSDs break. At least this is the case over here for companies like Corsair, Crucial, Lexar and Samsung. The best case would be owner agnostic warranty in combination with a service address in the country where the drive was purchased. I think that where I live (Germany) this may only apply to Seagate SSDs.

Oh, that is bad. You should definitely not have these issues with only a wireless mouse attached to it. Better give Dell a call, they may need to replace it.

is this a setup with external monitors or something else that is connected via Thunderbolt? My X580 does not play nice with my Thunderbolt gear and also crashes but no issues when no Thunderbolt connection is active.

Yes that is possibly true about the manual fan control and I guess that I could live with fans that are as well behaved as the ones in that I had in the 7760. Sorry to hear that you could not get the locking issue fixed. It inspires little confidence to see all of that happening with the workstation that potentially is the most powerful between the big three manufacturers.

It is a sorry state of things that the big three workstation laptop manufacturers Dell, HP and Lenovo seem to have no way to manually control their fans. At least Dell used to be decent when it comes too keeping fans quiet most of the time while not reducing power. HP seems to have an issue going back to the early Zbooks and to a lesser degree Lenovo, too.

Sorry to hear that you are missing the door - would that door be for the PCIe 5.0 slot? I am also surprised about the number of different bottom designs - do you not have the one in the picture you posted above but a third option?

I would like to have a look into the service manual for the Pro Max 18 Plus but it seems a part number is needed for that - does anybody have it? Shame that connectivity is effectively reduced by one port with all current TB5 eGPUs as they only allow up to 140W power delivery and therefore one of the USB-C ports has to be occupied by USB-C power delivery even in cases where only proper CPU performance is desired. Also I take it that there is still no fan control option for these so hopefully the Pro Max 18 Plus fans have enough hysteresis?

Plastic if done well is also my preferred material for the palm rest. 233W is substantial but I guess that they did not really do the math on that one when the dock delivers up to 300W yet the biggest power brick is limited to 280W. I am checking egpu.io every few weeks ad I would have thought that by now we would have numerous TB5 eGPU solutions but that doe not seem to be the case. In fact at least over here it is for now only the - very spartan - Razer box.

That sounds excellent regarding the palm rest! It makes me want to check it out, this always was something I did not like at all. The CPU at 30W in combined loads seems to be a very low though, aren't you CPU limited in most games with such a low power uptake? Ultimately the way this is designed it seems to be a good option for people who can make use of an external GPU so that all the power budget can go to the CPU when docked.

With W10 support and the performance you are getting it looks like a keeper. I am surprised that at 180W combined load with a 280W power supply it still drains the battery, Dell needs to look into that. Is the palm rest still rubbery?

200 to 215W combined seems pretty good given that you still deem system noise acceptable and that it can be sustained for some time. Best implementation for power limits this gen may come from Lenovo from what I have seen in a 9i review, looks like they have a couple of sliders to dial that in from within Windows which is pretty cool as it also allows to use less than the combined maximum power limit to go below the manufacturer defaults.

Interesting discussion, can somebody please update me on max CPU, GPU and CPU-GPU combined load for these? 175W to the GPU of course seems nice but not really that much of a benefit when total power for GPU and CPU combined is 200W which I recall was the number given by Dell for the Pro Max Plus 18? @win32asmguy I will be interested to hear about your impressions of the Pro Max 18" compared to the Clevo X580 when it comes to the output you can achieve at a a fan noise that is acceptable for you. Having been able to go from an essentially empty bios where you cannot do anything (Clevo) to one where you can adjust it all (Uniwill) must have been great and I assume that the Dell may be not as bad but still closer to the Clevo when it comes to adjustment options. I am still stunned how bad the Clevo bios is - it essentially gives no advanced adjustment options at all except for memory when oveclocking is enabled. That is not worth it however as it messes up the CPU performance that is worse with overclocking enabled than out of the box without it. @AL123 Congratulations on your 18", it seems like a logical choice this year unless more than 128GB memory is needed on a given budget - 256GB memory at CAMM 2 prices will really drive up the price! Same old story it seems with HP - impressive hardware hampered by crappy automated fan control and stupid decisions when it comes to sustained power levels. It is quite an achievement to reduce the max CPU power uptake to 85W with a vapor chamber and the 18" form factor but count on HP to get it done and at the same time annoy customers with stupid "AI" fan logic that cannot be bypassed.