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    The SSDs will heat up the motherboard to some degree and I have long wondered how much of an issue that would be. MSI and Clevo used to have their own self contained area with an array of up to 3 NVME SSDs some time ago but since then I have only seen the provision for cooling pads that connect to the mainboard. Does that mean it is safe? I would be a little bit sceptical if we are talking about writing terabytes to an SSD regularly but for everyday use it is probably fine. As a rule of thumb I try to avoid temperatures above 75C when transferring big amounts of data while shooting for regular temps in the low 60s or preferably less - quite high but such can be the realities in laptops. You can get HD Sentinel to check temps for yourself in the task bar and other parameters, too. It also warns you of possible failures. I have used the family license for years and highly recommend it, a test version is provided for free: Hard Disk Sentinel - HDD health and temperature monitoring
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    Yes, saw that too, pathetic. The pictures also tell the story of a rather bad Tongfang imitation with a cheap looking case. Severe lack of judgement on behalf of Medion coupled with a price that does not at all reflect the subpar performance.
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    Well, this has hundreds of posts, got a link?
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    Which main thread are you talking about?
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    I do not think that I misunderstood. My point was that in stock condition and as intended the x170 is the better laptop due to a number of factors with one very important one being the demise of SLI. Can the P870 be made better with a lot of effort and specialized knowledge? Clearly it can but that does not negate my point about the X170 being a better overall laptop in stock condition. As the P870 already has a thread where this is discussed I suggest we take this discussion there as I think that what you are doing with the P870 chassis is pretty cool.
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    That has some crazy potential with a 980W power supply and water cooling but it has to have a bigger screen and a proper keyboard. No idea who gave input on this but with a QHD+ 18" and a proper full keyboard with numpad it would be a much more tempting option. I can understand that they may want to have a mousepad in there and possibly it is difficult to place it in front of the keyboard or it would increase height but in my opinion that is not necessary for what is really a mobile desktop. When you always need a power outlet you should also be able to bring a mouse even if the trackpad cannot be moved down in front of the keyboard. Oh and I wonder about their battery option - would be nice to at least have some one or two hours of battery life and it would probably help with sales.
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    It is very impressive that for high performance laptops Uniwill / Tongfang are leading the way in several areas: modularity cooling bios customizeability thanks to working with Prema Intel and AMD option for the CPU To be fair to Clevo they are not exceptionally bad with regard to modularity but they have fallen in line with everybody else and they are still not back at the top when it comes to cooling capacity. Luckily the combination of improved cooling over last gen and a CPU that needs less power will give a lot better results but the 330W power supply already shows that they are not that serious about performance.
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    Not sure what the argument is here. Clearly an desktop GPU board would only fit in the P870 but for using it as is the X170 is a better laptop because the added capability of the P870 to use a second GPU is not of much use any more and does not outweigh the keyboard, sound and lesser CPU cooling. In any case what is holding the P870 back the most is by now the CPU unless maybe you manage to put a 5080 in there for 4K gaming where frame rates will be affected the least.
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    The P870 is a better desktop but it had issues cooling the 9th gen CPUs. The X170 was the better laptop except for the stupid dual power supply construction: much better sound better keyboard better fans unified heatsink I would also have preferred to see those improvements in a slightly bigger chassis with even better cooling but Clevo probably thought it would be overkill. Looking at the size of 5080 and 5090 desktop cards minus the cooler it is indeed a shame that nobody puts them in a laptop. We know it is possible to cool up to 400W of GPU in a laptop as has been shown by SLI designs from Clevo and MSI.
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    The X580 is kind of a return to form after the lackluster X270 and X370 but they did not go all the way like with the X170 that in many aspects was a very good design.
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    Cool 🙂 Let us know how things work out with your SSDs!
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    Not really - only MSI offers the combo of 4 drives, vapor chamber, UHD LED screen and mechanical keyboard. I have asked Schenker about the option to undervolt the X580 as I have done this with all my main laptops for a long time now and there is always some improvement to be had by undervolting.
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    So this week after some more testing I wanted to pull the trigger on the 5070Ti version of the X580 from Schenker and along comes this: https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/forge-tomorrow-the-new-lenovo-legion-9i-18-10-brings-games-to-life-for-gamers-and-developers-from-vision-to-victory/ 18" 4 drives 4 memory slots 2 TB5 So same as in the Clevo which is pretty unbelieveable coming from Lenovo! Crazy specs, and some things that I have been missing in the Clevo: undervolting vapor chamber cooling rated at up to 280W 400W power supply TB5 with 140W power delivery unless something changes dramatically a very nice keyboard with a good cursor key section Not so great and potential downsides: possibly no QHD display which could be a dealbreaker dual sided SSDs are not confirmed as being supported no subwoofer but supposedly a 6 chassis speaker system looks less understated than the Clevo
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    This is all still pretty new so I would simply check temps and performance, they should be easy to check. Plus for workstation use I will mostly use the CPU in my laptops so that already helps with temps.
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    This can actually be a very smart solution as in todays laptops memory, chipsets and the SSDs can get very toasty. So an added fan or two that get(s) the air moving over all those components is a really good idea. More and more manufacturers seem to want to make sure that those areas are cooled and so far we are already seeing that third fan with Asus, TongFang and Gigabyte even has two added fans for that purpose. The Cooling has some TongFang vibes by the way if you look at their latest 16" watercooling design:
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    I doubt it would make much more than a 20 to 30W difference and for CPU only / CPU heavy loads it will probably have very little real world impact. I have waited (very long) for feedback about the 5070Ti and it seems that it is pretty good and not that much worse than the 4080 mobile last year so it looks like I will go with that, looking forward to the 580!
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    I checked a few pics from CES and one of their models looks like a Clevo and another one has a distinct Dell vibe. Looks like they emulate the look of other manufacturers including TongFang. Do you have a link where we can see the inside of the X560? 3 drives is above average for sure and it is still puzzling that Clevo does not go for a vapor chamber in their top model.
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    Surprise surprise: Medion announced its ERAZER Beast 18 X1 and I thought it was another X580 vendor but instead it looks like a TongFang! Sadly without liquid cooling: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/medion-erazer-beast-18-nvidia-rtx-5080-32gb-18-qhd-240hz-intel-ultra-9-27-lap-mdn-04289.html Connectivity is rather sparse and if I had to guess it is 2 NVME and 2 memory slots each. For me this might be the best looking chassis this gen including the keyboard with proper cursor keys and a separate power button.
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    He already ordered a Thinkpad P16 Gen 2 and received it on the 14th of March.
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    Haha - that is brutal :D To pull that off in this chassis is indeed something and 67C with 155W (ot is it 165W?) is very respectable!
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    This is still really impressive and very cool, good to see you at it again! I take it that this is a P870 chassis with vapor chamber, how are temps during your TimeSpy runs?
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    Yep, sound looks improved indeed. Best 4K panel with LED will still be with the MSI Raider and Titan while Acer, Asus and Gigabyte offer QHD LEDs. Still your M18 has such good performance that this gen will probably be too early to see more than a 10 to 15% improvement.
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    Any reason except sound that you are consdering the Clevo instead of the new Alienware? Screen specs look similar to the Clevo but with a 300 instead of 240Hz refresh and from what it looks like you will get higher sustained power with the Alienware, too.
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    I thought that like MSI all Clevo bios were unlockeable so that undervolting would be supported but apparently not. That also means more heat than necessary which makes better fan control a must for me. Does Clevo have a useable fan control implementation in the X580 or do you control them by other means? In the X170 and P775 I am very happy with Clevo Fan Control https://github.com/djsubtronic/ClevoFanControl/releases but I somehow doubt that it will work with the X580! Good luck with those CSODIMMS - they seem to be the way to go for Arrow Lake laptops and I am currently waiting for 48GB modules as I do not really need 256GB but 128GB is not enough either.
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    Great to hear that you solved your bluescreen issue! Across multiple devices I have noticed that unless you put 4 of the same memory sticks in all slots those 4 slot designs are often lacking documentation about how to populate those slots. Luckily we can test everything with programs like AIDA64 but it should not be so difficult to give the customer instructions which slots to use in which order and/or what best to do with a given number of memory sticks. That SSD cooling solution does not seem to be well thought out at all. I wonder if anybody even tested it as I have a hard time believing that after some testing they would have come up with this. Why isn't it unified to improve cooling and share the load? How does it even differ from a user supplied NVME heat sink? How is it even much of a benefit in the first place when the SSDs seem to have zero airflow over these heatsinks - that surely can't be a good idea? Makes me want to get a spare bottom cover and do my own SSD cooling solution in case that I get the X580. In any case this is not that big of a deal really and I share your sentiment that this is a good one and for me it is the first Clevo that I consider since the X170 chassis. We will probably never get something like the X170 again but at least this is their first flagship BGA book design that gets the basics right.
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