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    Uniwill / Tongfang are always interesting and would have warranted a closer look for me if they had gone 18" but sadly they are stuck at 16". Still, if 2+2 memory and drive slots plus 16" are sufficient it would be my choice - love the liquid cooling concept and the split boards. Shame about the HP as their non-defeatable AI Cooling crap together with the rather modest power limit is something that I won't risk buying again. I currently use a Zbook 17 G6 on the side and the stupidity of their "intelligent" fan adjustment that I have also encountered in the 16" Zbook Fury is infuriating for people who have substantial power demands. The up and down of the fans and the throttling is a no-go. Not being able to use third party fan control or undervolt is just the icing on the poo cake for me, so overall very disappointing to see great hardware being sabotaged by bad software and a system that is locked down excessively. But hey, maybe they change their ways, the hardware surely looks tempting including an Asus-style third fan: Still the most interesting 18" cooling concept in this generation is the Aorus Master 18 from Gigabyte with a vapor chamber, 270W TDP and proper internal cooling that cools everything else and not just the CPU and GPU: As you know there are many parts that can get very hot in our laptops these days and temperatures way above 80 degrees for the memory or the chipset are bad news and should be addressed by all manufacturers. Asus was the first company to do that and now HP and Gigabyte are following but with more memory and drive slots. Unfortunately I have not heard that many great things about their laptops nor do I find their design to be very understated but I really would like to see how well this one performs, especially in CPU-heavy loads.
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    That is indeed a bit of a costly approach 🙂 I switch laptops more often so I have a data and backup drive that I move from device to device and I can even move its Macrium backup routine with it which makes life a lot easier as I do not have to start from scratch each time I move my data. In any case I guess you can splurge a little bit once every five years 🤜 By the way: In case you want / need something external that is very fast then I can recommend this one: https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Enclosure-Anti-Drop-Compatible-Thunderbolt/dp/B0CLV3D3H6/ref=sr_1_1? It does not get very hot as it has a fan but also not very loud and it has a silicone protector that is very welcome as it prevents you from accidentally bumping into your laptop and causing nasty scratches. It also helps to make it stay put. I am using it with a TB4 cable and get sustained writes beyond 2 GB/s - at least as long as the SSDs allow for it which sadly is not very long in most cases. They also have a 20G box that is relatively cheap and I got two of those, too as they hardly cost more than the 10G variant but I expect to get to use supported 20G connectors in the future so that will be nice.
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    Haha, yes you cannot expect a decent quality picture for a $5K + laptop - that would be too much to ask 😄
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    Great it has arrived! Why did you not just order the Lenovo with one SSD and then reuse the Kioxia as a second drive? I always try to order as little memory and storage as possible unless there is some kind of sale of course that is too good to pass on so I am curious about your reason(s).
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    How can it be the same when clearly it has less and smaller buttons in the numpad area? The Titan 18 keyboard actually has 3 physical buttons more so not sure if we are talking about the same laptops here ???
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    When all 8 cores are semi active you may need still need to allow something like 4.4 all core in order to allow the higher clocks in gaming while limiting power via for example Throttle Stop, best to experiment a bit. When my son was using the P870TM for gaming we settled on 4.6 GHz all core as otherwise clocks would go down in gaming even when the game was only using 6 or less cores and in the end the goal was just to stay below 85C for most of the time with even short bursts never exceeding 95C. You could start off with something like 75 or 80W and 4.4 GHz all core clock and see how it goes but I think that even 90W should not be an issue if you do not run it non-stop.
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    Well the Titan 18 keyboard has a 4 row numpad so it is actually quite different, including the combined Home/End/PG Up and Down keys: https://www.msi.com/Laptop/Titan-18-HX-AI-A2XWX/Gallery#lg=1&slide=3 Clevo still has the edge as it does not "waste" keys for power and copilot. And nobody can say that Clevo is not consistent - looks like the same layout as my P775TM from many years ago 😄
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    Hmmm - wasn't that the GT77 HX? Anyway, I was really annoyed by the small three row numpad and luckily the new generation has a 4 row version with combined home/end and page up/down keys which is different. Unfortunately it also has a wasted key that now is dedicated to Copilot. Have not yet seen the keyboard of the Clevo but if it has single function keys for all the 5 functions you mention I would be very surprised.
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    True, the fans were never that great and this is obviously because initially both CPUs and GPUs were not intended to consume that much power. Also the CPU heatsink just wasn't in the same class as the GPU heatsink(s) even though the later CPUs could easily consume as much power as the 1080 or the 2080.
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    Do you have a pic of the cooling section? All cores have similar temps? Also try a more regular cache like 40.
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    That is pretty impressive! The CPU of the P870 always suffered from its stock heatsink that was an afterthought compared to the massive cooling that was available for the GPUs. With a decent 9900K I would figure about 110 to 125W at 4.5GHz which in everyday use is pretty sustainable from my experience with the P870TM even when it is not the greatest heat sink.
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    Are you sure you won't destroy the vapor chamber by doing that?
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    Yes, sadly this is what it looks like, just be careful not to fry your motherboard. Regarding how far you can go I just remembered that @runix18 had the P870DM-G with the 9700K and he may be able to chime in regarding what he found to be a sustainable power uptake with the DM motherboard.
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    So you already have a Titan 18? Somehow I thought you had a GT77 with the tiny numpad.
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    Have you had a look at the new MSI keyboard? For the first time in ages they have a full sized numpad, no more hobbit keys. Currently using the Raider 18 HX and the keyboard is so much better with full sized keys from left to right. BUT: The Titan in the last gen had a mix of mechanical and membrane keys which I did not like, not sure if it has been adressed.
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    If it is not much cheaper then I would get the Titan myself as it is just a more solid build and also has 4 drive slots and superior vapor chamber cooling. I would think that if you max out the CPU you will not have better temps. Of course you can get more performance at a given wattage but again these CPUs scale pretty well past 250W so there will also be some additional performance to be had south of maybe 150W that you cannot realize. For sure cooler at a given performance level so for example it looks like 40000 CB R23 with some undervolting may be doable with 200W when the 14900HX would need more like 275W for the same score. But then even 200W will be beyond what we should expect from the X580 when the predecessor struggled with sustaining 150W to the CPU.
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    That's pretty impressive - won't be a boring Sunday it seems 👍
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    Understood but then the Clevo does not really cost that much anyway, it is starting at roughly 2.2K in Europe 🙂 The way I see it this is a relatively cost effective way to get these (for me) attractive features with a GPU that is not completely oversized: 24 Cores that are less power hungry than last gen 4 drive slots 4 memory slots QHD screen TB5 relatively understated / plain design TB5 should also be interesting for an eGPU solution with something like a 5080 or better so when docked at home or in the office the cooling solution will only have to cool the CPU and not the GPU. Of course if you want to compile with multiple cores the cooling may be an issue unless the cooling solution of the X580 has improved significantly over last gen.
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    285 and 275 seem too close to me to make that a decisive factor. I fully expect better gaming performance from MSI due to better cooling and only two memory sticks but not due to the slightly higher single core speed of the 285HX.
  20. 1610ftw
    No 5070 option is unfortunate.
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    Lower clocks result in lower power consumption and at some point we have a 125W CPU that can be handled quite well by the cooling solution provided by Lenovo. Of course you are right that one should make some use of a specific CPU or else save the money and from what @astrohip says he has such a use case where he can complete some of the stuff he does faster while also being able to do other things on the side.
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    The CPU is great as he can always run it at lower clock speeds where he will need a lot less power and the GPU will be chugging along. It gives him a nice vapor chamber heatsink and great cooling for his mostly CPU focused use case that obviously includes some degree of multitasking for which it is nice to have lots of cores and it is not like he could save a lot of money while getting the same cooling by going with a lesser CPU/GPU combo.
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    Reading you power consumption numbers made me check the 9980HK in my MSI GT75. Here is what it pulls at the beginning of a CB R15 run, 4.7 GHz seems to be the sweet spot: 4.3 GHz: 96 watt 4.5 GHz: 112 watt 4.7 GHz: 119 watt 4.8 GHz: 129 watt 4.9 GHz: 141 watt The 4.9Ghz CB R15 finishes at a max of 147 watt with a max temperature of 87C and a score of 2134 As I said previously you may want to try another sample of the QJT1 as this looks like some really bad 9880H style efficiency in a system that would really benefit from an above average CPU.
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    😄 If they were desperate they would sell it cheaper 🙂 Yes the Clevo units are less but I would also say that they are less refined overall and screen and performance will not be at the same level. That being said this year I would not go with MSI but take a closer look at Clevo, Acer and Gigabyte as they all have at least three SSD slots and 4 memory slots. These are a lot more interesting as I have zero interest in a high performance GPU and a UHD screen, I want a smaller and cheaper GPU, TB5 and a QHD screen.
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    OK, I checked a 9900KS that I have here at the moment which is not that efficient and it needs about 125W when starting an all core 4.5GHz Cinebench R23. You may want to check what your chip needs. I always use the watt number that the chip stabilizes to in Throttlestop as that is the number that is not inflated by the chip getting hotter over time so it takes out the variable of cooling.
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