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  1. 1610ftw
    Well the Titan 18 keyboard has a 4 row numpad so it is actually quite different, including the combined Home/End/PG Up and Down keys: https://www.msi.com/Laptop/Titan-18-HX-AI-A2XWX/Gallery#lg=1&slide=3 Clevo still has the edge as it does not "waste" keys for power and copilot. And nobody can say that Clevo is not consistent - looks like the same layout as my P775TM from many years ago 😄
  2. 1610ftw
    Hmmm - wasn't that the GT77 HX? Anyway, I was really annoyed by the small three row numpad and luckily the new generation has a 4 row version with combined home/end and page up/down keys which is different. Unfortunately it also has a wasted key that now is dedicated to Copilot. Have not yet seen the keyboard of the Clevo but if it has single function keys for all the 5 functions you mention I would be very surprised.
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    True, the fans were never that great and this is obviously because initially both CPUs and GPUs were not intended to consume that much power. Also the CPU heatsink just wasn't in the same class as the GPU heatsink(s) even though the later CPUs could easily consume as much power as the 1080 or the 2080.
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    Do you have a pic of the cooling section? All cores have similar temps? Also try a more regular cache like 40.
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    That is pretty impressive! The CPU of the P870 always suffered from its stock heatsink that was an afterthought compared to the massive cooling that was available for the GPUs. With a decent 9900K I would figure about 110 to 125W at 4.5GHz which in everyday use is pretty sustainable from my experience with the P870TM even when it is not the greatest heat sink.
  6. 1610ftw
    Are you sure you won't destroy the vapor chamber by doing that?
  7. 1610ftw
    Yes, sadly this is what it looks like, just be careful not to fry your motherboard. Regarding how far you can go I just remembered that @runix18 had the P870DM-G with the 9700K and he may be able to chime in regarding what he found to be a sustainable power uptake with the DM motherboard.
  8. 1610ftw
    So you already have a Titan 18? Somehow I thought you had a GT77 with the tiny numpad.
  9. 1610ftw
    Have you had a look at the new MSI keyboard? For the first time in ages they have a full sized numpad, no more hobbit keys. Currently using the Raider 18 HX and the keyboard is so much better with full sized keys from left to right. BUT: The Titan in the last gen had a mix of mechanical and membrane keys which I did not like, not sure if it has been adressed.
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    If it is not much cheaper then I would get the Titan myself as it is just a more solid build and also has 4 drive slots and superior vapor chamber cooling. I would think that if you max out the CPU you will not have better temps. Of course you can get more performance at a given wattage but again these CPUs scale pretty well past 250W so there will also be some additional performance to be had south of maybe 150W that you cannot realize. For sure cooler at a given performance level so for example it looks like 40000 CB R23 with some undervolting may be doable with 200W when the 14900HX would need more like 275W for the same score. But then even 200W will be beyond what we should expect from the X580 when the predecessor struggled with sustaining 150W to the CPU.
  11. 1610ftw
    That's pretty impressive - won't be a boring Sunday it seems 👍
  12. 1610ftw
    Understood but then the Clevo does not really cost that much anyway, it is starting at roughly 2.2K in Europe 🙂 The way I see it this is a relatively cost effective way to get these (for me) attractive features with a GPU that is not completely oversized: 24 Cores that are less power hungry than last gen 4 drive slots 4 memory slots QHD screen TB5 relatively understated / plain design TB5 should also be interesting for an eGPU solution with something like a 5080 or better so when docked at home or in the office the cooling solution will only have to cool the CPU and not the GPU. Of course if you want to compile with multiple cores the cooling may be an issue unless the cooling solution of the X580 has improved significantly over last gen.
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    285 and 275 seem too close to me to make that a decisive factor. I fully expect better gaming performance from MSI due to better cooling and only two memory sticks but not due to the slightly higher single core speed of the 285HX.
  14. 1610ftw
    No 5070 option is unfortunate.
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    Lower clocks result in lower power consumption and at some point we have a 125W CPU that can be handled quite well by the cooling solution provided by Lenovo. Of course you are right that one should make some use of a specific CPU or else save the money and from what @astrohip says he has such a use case where he can complete some of the stuff he does faster while also being able to do other things on the side.
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    The CPU is great as he can always run it at lower clock speeds where he will need a lot less power and the GPU will be chugging along. It gives him a nice vapor chamber heatsink and great cooling for his mostly CPU focused use case that obviously includes some degree of multitasking for which it is nice to have lots of cores and it is not like he could save a lot of money while getting the same cooling by going with a lesser CPU/GPU combo.
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    Reading you power consumption numbers made me check the 9980HK in my MSI GT75. Here is what it pulls at the beginning of a CB R15 run, 4.7 GHz seems to be the sweet spot: 4.3 GHz: 96 watt 4.5 GHz: 112 watt 4.7 GHz: 119 watt 4.8 GHz: 129 watt 4.9 GHz: 141 watt The 4.9Ghz CB R15 finishes at a max of 147 watt with a max temperature of 87C and a score of 2134 As I said previously you may want to try another sample of the QJT1 as this looks like some really bad 9880H style efficiency in a system that would really benefit from an above average CPU.
  18. 1610ftw
    😄 If they were desperate they would sell it cheaper 🙂 Yes the Clevo units are less but I would also say that they are less refined overall and screen and performance will not be at the same level. That being said this year I would not go with MSI but take a closer look at Clevo, Acer and Gigabyte as they all have at least three SSD slots and 4 memory slots. These are a lot more interesting as I have zero interest in a high performance GPU and a UHD screen, I want a smaller and cheaper GPU, TB5 and a QHD screen.
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    OK, I checked a 9900KS that I have here at the moment which is not that efficient and it needs about 125W when starting an all core 4.5GHz Cinebench R23. You may want to check what your chip needs. I always use the watt number that the chip stabilizes to in Throttlestop as that is the number that is not inflated by the chip getting hotter over time so it takes out the variable of cooling.
  20. 1610ftw
    Solid choice - let us know how you like it!
  21. 1610ftw
    Can now be configured at laptopparts4less: https://laptopparts4less.frl/Clevo-X580WNR-G-laptop-samenstellen-ANSI/Clevo-X850WNR-G-RTX-5070-Ti-Intel-275HX-game-laptop-samenstellen Schenker had it online, too it seems but not any more: https://bestware.com/de/ske18pe25.html
  22. 1610ftw
    No recommendation for 17" as it is pretty much a dead screen size right now as far as higher end Dell, HP and Lenovo are concerned. If I had to get something new right now from these three manufacturers with a 1920 x 1200 screen then it would be the only 18" choice out there which is the Alienware M18: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/alienware-m18-r2-gaming-laptop/spd/alienware-m18-r2-laptop/useashctom18r201#customization-anchor It is bad timing though as most of the 18" Alienware units seem to be sold off by now including the model with the AMD CPU that they had and the new Alienwares and 18" Pro Max are not yet available. So as I said if you need something now as in right now it is bad timing and anything relatively cheap that could tide me over until the good stuff becomes available would be my choice like for example this one: urlr.me/eW6HJa
  23. 1610ftw
    What @win32asmguy and @song_1118 said. The ThinkPad P16 Gen 2 is indeed a very strong contender and would be my current 16" pick if I was happy with two SSDs. Edit: Still not a big fan though of 16" and if you are happy now with 17" and most of the time not restricted while traveling then why not go a bit bigger still? Very nice to work with a bigger screen and the added size will not be an issue when traveling by car.
  24. 1610ftw
    Yes, the prices for these chips can be great. Have you considered getting another one to see if it needs less power? That benchmark is rather bad but let's see how much higher you can go once you have the new heatsink and some good TIM.
  25. 1610ftw
    That is unfortunate about the power consumption, looks like a bad bin. There are 9980HK and 9900K that only pull something between 110 and 125W at 4.5 GHz which of course would be rather helpful in your case. You may want to downscale your all core speed to something like maybe 4.0 GHz for now and then go with higher speeds only for 6, 4 and 2 cores, something like for example 4.0, 4.5, 4.8 and 5.0. The DM models are not that well suited for higher power draws as they were only intended to be used with 4 Core CPUs and from what I recall @Prema did not want to incorporate support for the 8 core CPUs in his Prema bios for the DM models because of this, only for 6 cores. I would still see it as a very good idea to try and improve cooling in order to sustain more than 80 or 90W but I am not sure that even with proper cooling you can expect to sustain a constant load without long term issues due to weak VRMs. It is a bit like using a 110 power supply when you laptop constantly draws 150W - cooling will only get you so far.
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