Reciever

3 hours ago, cylix said:

Intel Confirms New Branding For Meteor Lake CPU, “Core Ultra” Replaces “Core i”

Were gonna have names like mobile phones 🙂

Intel Ultra Max Pro 149xxxxxxx 😅

 

https://wccftech.com/intel-confirms-new-branding-for-meteor-lake-cpu-core-ultra-replaces-core-i/

Core Ultra MK brought to you by lol

5 hours ago, ryan said:

i'm planning on getting nitrous oxide installed in my mini van, it will bring the horsepower up from 280 to 350. should be able to outrun the police in it, imagine a minivan out pacing the police. believe that

Probably not

8 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

I've been needing to get rid of my Clevo 1080 as I plan on sending in the 2080S here soon. Would you be able to use a DM2/3 heatsink in your frankenstein or would you need to do some more modding? (besides finding 12v for the 8 pin power connector)

Hit me up when you are all squared away with the 2080S, I may take you up on it. Regarding the heatsink I dont know, but I will look into it hopefully some time today. 

The trick is realize what is the top and take a couple steps back as yesteryear's products are still quite potent for most people. 

Obviously this thread will skew that a bit but you have to realize that this group seeks the top of the mountain, actively. 

The laptop I have sitting aside for now still plays everything, just need to replace the gpu and presto I'm gaming just like the rest of them on a 9700F @ 4.5 and a 1080/2080 maybe 3080.

You could also look at AM4 if budget is the principle focus. It's a bit inversed to say budget but also 4090. It's not a good idea as that would mean you are likely cutting corners everywhere else, shoddy motherboard, shoddy Psu both which aren't desirable with a 4090.

On 4/29/2023 at 12:38 PM, ryan said:

1500 bucks buys you a mighty good tv and besides if you like widescreen you get that with black bars. don't, then use full screen. makes no sense buying a monitor in 2023

The sale is complete, discussion of the merits of TV's VS monitor not remotely close to this threads purpose. You are free to make a thread in the relevant spaces of the forum, this, is not one of them. 

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

Going through some of my old PC part bins, I discovered one of my first higher wattage PSU. An OCZ Fatal1ty 750W unit with red LEDs (I was completely team blue at that time, so don't ask me why I purchased a power supply with red LEDs). 

 

About nine or ten years ago, I started buying overspecc'ed PSU's for my custom builds. In the late 00's, early 2010's, you never really needed more than 500W for 90% of all custom builds. If you told people online that you purchased a 600W or higher PSU and didn't have SLI, a good portion would ridicule you. Fast forward to today, 850W to 1000W are the baseline. 

 

I remember paying $80 for this Fatal1ty PSU and thinking, I am spending a lot of money for this thing. I also remember researching the power rails, making sure they had enough amps. 

Yeah I remember a frys sales guy telling my brother in law he needed 750w for a 4th Gen system with no gpu. Told him he would be fine with 250w, 500w if he wanted a fancy gpu. To which he told me that he knew that was wrong because he was A+ certified. I asked him what section of A+ covered that because it wasn't on mine. Just to not stick metal things into psu, which, really shouldn't need explanation lol 

20 hours ago, Etern4l said:

GrepheneOS supports sandboxed GooglePlay, but yeah, in general it does seem a bit risky to run banking stuff in this manner. In theory it's open source and audited, but...

I think maybe today I will try putting GrapheneOS on my 7 Pro. I used to always put Custom Rom's on my phones and have been gutted that the scene seems to have mostly fizzled out. Unless of course I just dont know where to find that stuff anymore

8 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Didn't notice, you could have let me know right then or inserted a note in lieu of the image ("image of a naive human startled by the AI capabilities at time t + delta") as that image was a continuation of the slide before it, and trying to complete the point. I'm not sure it's worth retrofitting given the overall level of discussion and engagement with the topic here TBH (with one or two exceptions of course). Maybe it's time to consolidate the best material on first page and post the link on reddit and twitter lol

 

@Reciever Since we are moderating quite a bit (this looks to be by far the most heavily moderated thread I have seen on the site by moderator actions/posts), which I generally view as a value-adding activity, ideally we would also moderate the thread for informational value and clean up trolling.

For example, if a hypothetical troll with a track record of disruptive behaviour and zero relevant background in the topic, possibly attempting to contribute in a sedated state (if, for example, he advertised being in possession of a stash of legal in his jurisdiction drugs elsewhere on the site), invades with silly messages and personal attacks with no informational content, for example: "conspiracy theory, so funny!", "Tinfoil hat, haha", "Hello, it's me again, what I posted earlier is likely correct for no reason whatsoever, period.", can we remove that kind of inane and inflammatory noise please (otherwise we are no better than reddit and some bad areas of twitter)? We are trying to discuss a serious subject here, so it would be great if we could set a somewhat higher bar on the standard of communication (I don't mind bad grammar, dyslexia etc. as long as some reasonable arguments are being made or attempted). Many thanks.

 

To keep a slither of connection to the main topic, I consulted GPT 3.5 on the distraction at hand lol

 

TL;DR

 

Trolls are users who engage in intentionally provocative, disruptive, attention-seeking, and often anonymous behavior with a lack of empathy for other users. When determining the appropriate action to take against a troll, moderators should take into account a pattern of repeated "offending" and have clear guidelines and policies in place for dealing with trolls. This may include issuing warnings or bans, depending on the severity and frequency of the troll's behavior. The goal should be to maintain a positive and safe online environment for all users.

How to deal with an internet troll?

 

Dealing with an internet troll on a forum can be a frustrating experience, but there are several strategies you can use to manage the situation:

1. Don't engage: The first rule of dealing with trolls is to avoid engaging with them. Trolls thrive on attention, so the less you respond to their comments, the less likely they are to continue their behavior.

2. Report the troll: Most forums have a reporting system that allows users to flag inappropriate behavior. Use this system to report the troll to the forum moderators. Provide specific examples of the troll's behavior, including links to any offensive posts.

3. Block the troll: If the forum has a blocking feature, use it to prevent the troll from contacting you. This will also prevent you from seeing any of the troll's comments.

4. Respond with humor: If you do decide to respond to the troll, use humor to defuse the situation. Trolls are often looking for a reaction, and responding with a joke can take the wind out of their sails.

5. Stay calm: Trolls often try to provoke an emotional response, so it's important to stay calm and composed when dealing with them. Don't let the troll get under your skin.

Remember that trolls thrive on attention, so the best way to deal with them is to starve them of it. By not engaging with their behavior, you can minimize their impact on the forum and create a more positive online environment.

 

Should trolls be just banned from the site?

 

In most cases, yes, trolls should be banned from the site. Trolls typically engage in behavior that is disruptive and can harm the community, such as posting inflammatory or offensive comments, derailing discussions, and harassing other users. Banning trolls sends a clear message that this type of behavior is not acceptable on the site and helps to maintain a positive and respectful online environment.

However, it's important for forum moderators to have clear guidelines and policies in place to determine what constitutes trolling and to ensure that bans are applied fairly and consistently. It's also important to give trolls the opportunity to reform their behavior and learn from their mistakes. In some cases, a warning or temporary suspension may be more appropriate than an immediate ban.

Overall, banning trolls is a necessary step in maintaining a safe and productive online community, but it should be done in a thoughtful and measured way.

 

What are the main characteristics of a troll?

 

The main characteristics of a troll include:

1. Intentionally provocative behavior: Trolls seek to provoke and upset other users by making inflammatory or offensive comments. (check)

2. Disruptive behavior: Trolls often disrupt discussions and derail conversations by changing the subject or engaging in off-topic tangents. (check)

3. Attention-seeking behavior: Trolls crave attention and will often continue to post inflammatory comments even when they receive negative reactions from other users. (check)

4. Anonymity: Trolls often use pseudonyms or fake accounts to remain anonymous, which allows them to post provocative comments without fear of consequences. (N/A)

5. Lack of empathy: Trolls often have little empathy for other users and may enjoy causing others to feel upset or angry. (check)

6. Persistence: Trolls may continue to post inflammatory comments even after being warned or banned from a forum or website. (check)

It's important to note that not all users who exhibit these characteristics are necessarily trolls. Some users may engage in disruptive behavior or be provocative without the intention of causing harm or upset. It's up to forum moderators to determine whether a user is truly a troll and take appropriate action to maintain a positive online environment.

 

When determining the appropriate action to take against a troll which ticks all the boxes above, should a pattern of repeated "offending" be taken into account? What would be your recommendation?

 

Yes, a pattern of repeated "offending" should definitely be taken into account when determining the appropriate action to take against a troll. If a user consistently exhibits the characteristics of a troll and engages in disruptive or offensive behavior on multiple occasions, it's more likely that their behavior is intentional and aimed at causing harm or disruption to the community.

In terms of recommendations, forum moderators should have clear guidelines and policies in place for dealing with trolls, and these should take into account factors such as the severity and frequency of the troll's behavior. For example, a first-time offender may receive a warning or temporary suspension, while a repeat offender may be banned permanently.

It's also important for forum moderators to document instances of trolling and keep a record of any warnings or bans that have been issued. This helps to ensure that bans are applied fairly and consistently, and that users are held accountable for their behavior.

Ultimately, the goal should be to create a positive and safe online environment for all users, and taking appropriate action against trolls is an important step in achieving this.

 

I mean that's solid and common-sense advice, arguably 75%+ of native English-speaking humans would be unable to produce that level of response within several minutes, let alone several seconds. "My" last contribution on the trolling problem. Hope we can resolve the situation for the good of the site.

I do make attempts to be as transparant as possible in my moderator related actions, sometimes Im in a bind for time where I can let a problem persist ( which can be perceived as "ok" ) or cut it out for later notation. I elected for the latter in this instance since the debate was spilling out into other threads.

2 hours ago, ryan said:

yet you kept that

That is correct.

@Etern4l also had a picture removed for containing explicit language. Of which, if you recreate it without the use of such language it will be permitted.

Thanks!

Removed double posts, adult language or dialogue not conducive to discussion.

2 hours ago, kojack said:

Oh it's soooo much fun. Back then everyone thought imports were molasses.  In two years a group of us were in the 12s and 11s. 

Imports are a blast, still are to some degree. I was looking for a GR corolla but for now they are going to be hard to find. Rsx is a better fit for me though. 

Hoping to get to a better place overall and find an rx7 fc, love the aesthetic. Since I ruffle feathers generally speaking it would be all too perfect to put a non rotary in there lol

1 hour ago, kojack said:

Better yet, I would go super charger. WAY more fun on the street. I had my 2000 integra supercharged with an endyn modified Jackson racing supercharger.  It was WAY too much fun!

No thanks I already have pretty good low rpm torque lol this is also my commuter so only really looking for a bit more top end power without killing the gas mileage too much. 

I have seen the videos though of this setup with a supercharger, looks like a lot of fun! 

12 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

That's its job; and it's done damn well. 😄

I've been wanting to open up a program of sorts in the forum for exactly this scenario as it would encourage community building and help out those in need with troubleshooting their systems. 

I'm still driving my k24a equipped rsx :) 

I'd like to get a small turbo for it eventually but it's been a fun drive for the time being. Since I don't like to have any funny feeling in the car I will opt for better tires and suspension first though. 

34 minutes ago, ryan said:

@Etern4l you do realize money is a made up thing and so are economies

Stay on topic.

If there is a point you are attempting to make then include it within the post. 

Thanks! 

6 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

 

Update. Some good news on AW17 R1 Ranger.

 

I removed the MXM altogether and ran the machine for 24Hrs+ and yest night I did not shut the PC and kept it powered on. So no shutdown or powercut or throttling. It went on, downloading p2p for whole night. Still did not shut down and kept it running, now going to see for next 24hours.

 

If that is the case going forward then - I think it's MXM GPU failing in requesting power draw through MXM PCIe slot ? Is that possible, because irrespective of Power draw it fails, like starting a Heaven Bench does not cause it to shut down immediately nor playing Dota2 can cause, but rather can occur anytime on idle or downloading something or watching movie, and even happens if the GPU is not used but just connected to MXM slot itself on SG Mode using IGPU only. So I suspect there's some electronic failure on the MXM VRMs over the time which causes it to fail, any ideas..?

 

I think brother @Tenoroon's generous offer would help me in testing it out for one final test, to use his 860M and check if it's the MXM Slot or 980M MXM GPU. And if it's MXM GPU, then I'll be very happy as no mobo replacement required and can just try to get either Dell Quadro P5000 or HP Quadro P5200 MXM as replacement.

 

On an another note, finally the Cablemod order is complete and got the email for FedEx it is right now in China.

That 860m has been all over the country at this point lol 

I wouldnt say they all look like they are from 2009' but on that note i have been playing Diablo 2 Resurrected somewhat often with some of my coworkers

1 hour ago, zex4 said:

Hey buddy there you go.

https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005003662294560.html

 

Also pls read my detailed review on first post 😉

Thanks much appreciated! 

Where are you guys getting these adapters from? Very interested in using one with my P750DM-G.

It would let me use both fans for CPU cooling and my GPU is dying currently lol 

2 hours ago, ryan said:

@Mr. Fox I deeply apologize but I simply don't have the money to buy your nuc. I want it and if its available in a month ill keep my eye on it. But i have to tell you in advance. Sorry bro 😞

Take that to PM. 

Given the sensitive nature of the topic at hand please keep it within scope. Obviously many potential rabbit holes can come up due to this topic so I ask that all involved make a concerted effort to move the discussion constructively as possible. 

Thanks everyone! 

1 minute ago, Raiderman said:

So, I finally got everything set up and situated, and wanted to try the new adrenaline AMD driver. I've installed it twice, getting the windows 10 hardware has changed chime, then this lovely screen afterwards with a pretty blue line at the top. Wtf AMD?

Had to macrium both times

 

 

This happened to me recently with the RTX 3090, had to reinstall Windows as, even though the OS was present, couldnt get display under normal operation

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

I am not sure that's true, otherwise people would be mostly learning new things to deal with the constant fear - we know that's very far from the typical behaviour :) People just don't care unless suddenly and directly affected. It's the boiling frog scenario.

 

Alternatively, this situation is similar to someone walking into a punji pit, just because they were focusing on what looks like valuable loot on the other side. Most people are just completely unaware of the issue, never mind its complexities, and if they are, they probably get the information from the mainstream media, or some other source of information deeply skewed by the industrial marketing machine or worse (c.f. The Random Thread etc.).

 

 

 

The goal is not to accurately predict the future, that's impossible, but rather to reasonably and conservatively enough (given the stakes) assess the risk. What is the spectrum of scenarios? If there is even a 5% chance of AGI wiping us out in the next 100 years, do we want to risk that? What about a 10-50% chance? 

 

 

Say, have you seen "Alien: Covenant" yet? :)

People may state they would be interested in partnership, but often what is meant is "I'd love me some AI slaves".  For example, John Carmack (the lead programmer of Quake, in case someone is not aware), who left Meta to start working on an AGI in his garage, gave an interview when he offered a use case: he would like to be able to spawn himself "a couple of Freds" to help him work on projects.

The thing about partnership is: there must exist a reasonable balance of power. If one person owns 1% of the company, and the other 99%, they are not partners - one is the owner, and the other is a tiny minority shareholder. If one partner is 10-100x more intelligent than the other, they are not partners. The smarter one is the brain of the operation, and the other one is the tool - quite the opposite to the relationship people would be rather naively hoping to maintain with AI.

 

I'm not as optimistic on that, primarily because you don't program AIs per se. It's an old idea, harking back to Asimov's three laws of robotics and completely different methods people in AI were looking into at the time. You can train it to death, but there are hardly any absolute guarantees of the expected behaviour. At least as of now, but I expect the problem to become even less tractable in the future. We can forget about a friendly Arnie The Good Terminator coming to our rescue, although I guess if it came to that, that would probably be the last desperate line of defense.

 

Not yet, we probably have a few years left to act. For starters, lawyers of all people to the rescue lol (to be fair, arguably they are in the best position to act, short of a global Human Revolution TM): there is a class action suit against OpenAI/Microsoft over the allegedly illegal use of open source code.
 

 

Speaking of which, Elon Dearest has abandoned all pretense and is officially jumping on the bandwagon (he was actually already there with Tesla autopilot and his humanoid bot):

 

 Elon Musk quietly starts X.AI, a new artificial intelligence company to challenge OpenAI

 

To be fair, he did ring the alarm bell a couple of times, albeit it looks like it's hard to put your billions where your mouth is.

 

 

Actually, it's more of a concern about the known: what is achievable with the current technology already, what will be achievable soon with the technologies actively being worked on, and what will be achievable in the fairly near future, just a few more steps ahead.

 

 

 

Absolutely, and we can already see this unwanted effect of technology in the latest IQ study I posted earlier: all aspects of intelligence down except for visual-spatial processing (3D games?).

 

 

Well, I wouldn't trivialise it this way. Probably one of the main reasons for caution here is that we don't really understand how our own intelligence works.

ChatGPT (GPT 3.5) is no doubt flawed, it's not really capable of autonomously doing involved work, but it's just a PoC/research preview, and already deprecated. GPT-4 improves on it by an order of magnitude in some areas.

 

It doesn't have to be able to solve tomorrow's problems in order to have a huge impact on our species.

 

You think? People tend to wallow more than seek solutions. I suppose it's a matter of perspective. 

Which is why I am curious to what could be achieved under a partnership, obviously if if one is subservient then it's not partnership. 

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

I just find it refreshing to encounter people that freely speak what an overwhelming majority think but never say (or fear it will have repercussions if they do) because it is not politically correct popular to allow the expression of mainstream traditional views about anything. Depending what kind of crazy liberal wierdo mind-control outfit they work for, the fear might be justified. I've gotten in trouble with HR for daring to possess an opinion that isn't woke enough and being so insensitive as to express the mainstream alternative perspective in the context of a conversation on a topic of one-sided controversy. Isn't it funny how something totally normal and innocuous qualifies as controversial only when someone seeks to exploit the crime of being offended?

 

I hadn't really given any thought to the guy reposting it. I have no idea if he is making any money off of it. Good chance he isn't. I suspect he likes it for the same reasons I do and decided to distribute it. 

 

I've never received a single red cent from my YouTube content. At one point I started to have a tiny cash balance that will too small to process, then they changed the rules to make it very difficult for content creators to proser.

If its Youtube Reels, likely not much money being made off of it. That being said for smaller creators the best thing next to money is an audience, which in turns gets you the money.

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice looking people look so much nicer when they have a brain that functions correctly.

 

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Not a fan of such videos, no comment for the actual content but for the soflo antonio type edits to make money off of other peoples content.

She has a point! *plays someones elses content* What do you think?

Just seems intellectually lazy to me