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Whats your goal? Push and pull or just fans on one side? If you go with push & Pull then you can get some cheaper/weaker fans. No need for the best high end (max air flow and pressure) then. I still prefer the Noctua NF-12 iPPC 3000. And I use them in push and pull. But this is not really needed if you go with my setup. High performance fans is only needed if you go with single fan setup in push or pull. I got the wrong fans for my son's build. You can look here to get the correct one.... visit the product page. They have changed a bit on the sales page and the 4000 rpm fans on same side is the wrong one to buy. Be sure they arent the server fan's from Hell. You can see it on the fan blade design. Be sure you don't buy fans with this design.... Quiet? Nope. Very wrong😎 This is the fan design you want.... longer and sleeker fan blades. The normal Alphacool fans you want come with black cable sleeving (not the ugly mess above). And the length of the cable is the more normal 40 cm. Yep, you don't need expensive high end performance fans if you go with push and pull. What I returned.... And I always mentioned X. But I think the X model was the one that come first to the shops and reviews.

And I who thought this was your new case and not your MB. Looks damn modern. Yep, I learn something new everyday Or for a brand new AW desktop from Dell😎 The air fryer look/style is on the way to be old. Im pretty sure they would drool seeing an nice shiny Red toaster box from Dell😀

Hynix M-die is a safe bet on Z690. Less finky and if you manage 6400 on M-die you need above 7600 for A-die to get about same/equal performance. And 100$ for 32GB is a good price for Hynix 7600 A-die speed.

Removing results that is valid as my 3DM Fire Srike Extreme and let the top benchers have the leaderbord for themself won't send a clearer signal to the others (see pict above in my previous post)... Edit... In red. Or just start from the top and remove Futuremark benches that have the info clear as glass. See pict below. 'again why start in the middle of the leaderboard? There has to be a reason they do it this way. https://hwbot.org/submission/5130021_splave_3dmark___time_spy_extreme_geforce_rtx_4090_21023_marks https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/83861241

Yep, the golden boys... https://hwbot.org/submission/5130022_splave_3dmark___fire_strike_extreme_geforce_rtx_4090_49186_marks Can have their results on the leaderboard... https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/83861339 Even the blind man can see that Futuremark don't offer ECC monitoring in some of their older benchmarks... And 4080 as in the 4000 series cards have same GDDR6X vram but don't offer ECC monitoring. And they still have to bench with it enabled, LOOL

Nice small screen bro Fox. I look more after a smaller screen that I can put inside the chassis. There is several options but difficult to see what I want. Around 5.5" up to max 8" size. No need for a bigger one only for some HW info/statistics. Btw... This is nice. Got notice in email from mods on the bot removed one of my subs. And they don't even understand how some of the benchmarks works in Futuremark software with the newer HW. And why pick people from the middle in the leadeboard and not the top benchers? Is this what they mean.... Clearer signals (see red box)? That if you are the elite benchers your bench results won't be blocked? And if they do, they will do it last? This is a mess.

Very nice tech. And the OEM will use it for all it's worth. With todays castrating of max power consumption for next gen laptops (see pict below) they have to steal the needed power from some places (the laptops will still need some fans to cool MB components). From the GPU or the Cpu?😀 Or maybe remove one of the few remaining M.2 slot from the MB?🤔 And with new tech to increase cooling performance they can continue shrink the Chassis thickness (The guy from the tech company said it even himself - Make "thinner" Jokebooks). The goal is still try beat Apple in sleeker design and chassis size. I see it as innovation to the worse for the consumers. In same way as the innovative awful modern tech as Dynamic boost and AMD's equals (SmartShift) to try make laptops thinner and lighter. Yep, it will be a innovation to the worse.

The fun part.... Weird we haven't seen any nvidia cards stored in same way and with same symptoms and with same damage. And Nvidia have sold 1/3 rd of their cards to miners. Oh Well, this was to be expected due so much cards went to the miners. And they won't get rid of cards that fast. They have to be stored some places before some will buy them. Regarding Todays tech. We pay premium for trash.... PSA: Intel I226-V 2.5GbE on Raptor Lake Motherboards Has a Connection Drop Issue: No Fix Available techpowerup.com In the end, we just switched over to the motherboard's second network interface, which is not an Intel NIC, and the issue went away. Another option could be to buy a cheap PCI-Express network card or use the board's integrated Wi-Fi. Still, such issues aren't acceptable, especially not from a world-leading manufacturer like Intel, who once was reputed for the quality of its networking equipment. Intel and its motherboard partners need to get on top of this issue.

It's about for the same. Beat your previous best scores from the previous gen processors. Running Crysis or running Cinebench will be for the same. Then you have the Cpu bottleneck.... Running 2 or 3 years old Cpu's with todays graphics cards and the Cpu will be the bottleneck. And the same will repeat with next gen graphics cards. Gone is the days an older Cpu handled all graphics cards. Would you pair the Quad core Q9000 below with RTX4090?🙂 I go sometimes the opposite way. See what Cpu is worse than the newer one. But the goal is still the same. See if I can beat yesterdays score running same CPU. And new or old doesn't matter For the records... GPUI and GPUI v3.3 ain't the same benchmark. And the same apply for 100M vs 1B🙂 https://hwbot.org/submission/5177488_papusan_gpupi_for_cpu___100m_core_2_quad_q9000_1min_46sec_737ms https://hwbot.org/submission/5177493_papusan_gpupi_v3.3_for_cpu___100m_core_2_quad_q9000_1min_25sec_985ms https://hwbot.org/submission/5177516_papusan_gpupi_v3.3_for_cpu___1b_core_2_quad_q9000_28min_21sec_977ms?recalculate=true

He have probably forgot what he talked about in the earlier days😎 Maybe we all take wrong... GPUs is all too cheap nowadays. They should have costed at least the double. Or the triple of today🙂 Resurfaced Video Shows Young Jensen Huang Promising ’Inexpensive' GPUs

NVidia, AMD & Intel at CES 2023 - LIES and more LIES Todays word - GREED... Overclocking banned due greed and lack of willingness (will). Amd lock down their more expensive flagship Ryzen gamer kid chips for oc'ing while Intel lock out their non K chips from overclocking. Not so sure whats worst from those two stupids but AMD probably take the whole cake with their non overclockable X3D chips. RIP, Overclockable Intel Non-K Chips, We Hardly Knew Ye tomshardware.com Intel blocks overclocking on locked chips by...doing nothing. In a development sure to disappoint enthusiasts, it turns out that Intel's 'locked' Non-K 13th-Gen Raptor Lake models are not overclockable like the previous-gen Alder Lake chips. We verified that the previous-gen non-K chips can still be overclocked, but unfortunately, the newer 13th-Gen models cannot. According to our industry contacts, it doesn't look like the situation will change any time soon. Regarding greed and stupidity... Apple ain't far away from how Intel and AMD. They take greed to another level.... TRADE IN? Apple will offer you $970 for a $52,000 Mac Pro Cheese grater techspot.com David Imel, a researcher for tech YouTube channel Marques Brownlee, tweeted that they tried pricing the $52,199 Mac Pros at the company's office to determine their trade-in value. The machines can still be purchased from Apple's website, complete with Intel Xeon W processors and dual Radeon Pro W6800X graphics, for the same price, so one would expect Apple to offer a fair amount of that money for trade-ins. Sadly, the company thinks $970 is a fair amount. Isnt it cute... You can order the Apple's Cheese grater today and trade it in tomorrow for a fraction of the price you paid. This even if you never opened the package and tested the fancy Cheese grater. This just show how much todays tech is worth 🙂

I know, but the crippling of max power consumption continue. Last year well above 320W. Now it will be 250W. What with next years laptop models? 200W? The newest USB PD Revision 3.1 specification offer up to 240W of power over full featured USB Type-C® cable and connector. This is the max and the OEMs will never allow this amount sustained high power from the adapter for laptops. So 200w it will be. Or even down to 180W with peaks up to 200W Aka lower max power cosumption than what the GPU in my Clevo laptop consume by itself. And this for the whole Jokebook. Yep, sad times being an laptop jockey... The crippling trend roll faster and faster.

And we will most likely never know how many cables and GPU's they have replaced😎 And I hope this one don't own the 4090. And if he had, I'm sure he would never post pict of his fried cable/connector on reddit if the same happened to him, LOOL And to make it complete. Cable mod offer dual chance to not put in the cable fully seated in the GPU connector. You can reduce the cable bend with the fancy 90 degrees adaper but still fry your shiny 4090😀

Seems Nvidia will go the laptop route for RTX 4060Ti and castrate the TGP. Why do the same for the desktop cards? The same for 4070. There have been rumors regarding Nvidia reportedly pushing the power envelope of the RTX 4070 down to 200 W from 250W. Surprisingly-low RTX 4060 Ti TDP figure could see the GPU consume much less power than the RTX 3060 Ti

Microsoft's system requirements for running Win 11 downplayed by MSI, LOOL Researcher Claims Windows 11 Secure Boot Is Broken On Hundreds Of MSI Motherboards Among the requirements for installing Windows 11 are two security features: Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0 and Secure Boot. As we’ve documented before, it’s possible to sidestep these requirements and force a Windows 11 install or upgrade anyway. What a kick in the asss, HaHa https://hwbot.org/submission/5175686_papusan_hwbot_x265_benchmark___4k_core_2_quad_q9000_1.22_fps https://hwbot.org/submission/5175683_papusan_hwbot_x265_benchmark___1080p_core_2_quad_q9000_5.08_fps

Still no need to cripple the system down to 250W. They can use hybrid mode (steal needed power from the battery) and 330W power bricks is not utilized. They are good for above 400W peak load and +350w in sustained load. Why castrate the laptops at 250W? A nice way to cut on cooling cost and push you over on next HW refresh.

LOOL and it continue. Either people download the latest and greatest Intel Chipset drivers on Asus own official driver support page or in the driver thread in Asus forum..... They all continue install bugged drivers with a nice surprise as boot errors. And the more warnings you put out in the forum thread, the more they want to download and install, HaHa https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?131838-DRIVERS-Intel-Chipset-MEI-VMD-(6xx-7xx)/page2 Edit. Still not a single world record worth with 13900KS. I expect the elite benchers got the golden samples of 13900K silicon from Intel and partners before the 13th gen was released.... https://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i9_13900ks/

People have problem with the reading skills. At least they are honest about own problems🙂 None read OP and none take their time to read last posts (from the other screwed one) in such type threads. https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?131838-DRIVERS-Intel-Chipset-MEI-VMD-(6xx-7xx)#post881974

Review up for the newer Alhacool _AIO_ Not much to be happy about brother Ashtrix. Alphacool Core Ocean T38 CPU AiO Compact Water Cooling Review – Slimmed down, really cheap, but still good? https://www.igorslab.de/en/alphacool-core-ocean-t38-im-test-2/3/ Yep, screw ups from Redmond is common and can't be avoided if you want to follow up their patches monthly... Microsoft Defender update kills Start Menu shortcuts and program files on Windows

I had exactly 1200 in CBR23 but the Benchmate software screwed up (the normal on older HW) so I couldn't post it on the bot. We can continue talk about screw up. Corsair wanted to cater the new and modern thin and slimy but forgot that PSUs engineerd for 2023 should really have an 12VHPWR connector as an option. What is unique with cut on costs? The most unique aspect of this PSU lineup is that instead of having the connectors on the front, they are moved to the side. It begs to question if Corsair is on to something with its new designs & if this is the beginning of a "shift" in designing power supplies by other companies. Corsair hasn't used the Gen5 '12VHPWR' connector on the SHIFT PSUs and that may have to do with the overall clearance provided at the side of the PSU. As we know, the 12VHPWR connector needs around 35 mm of clearance before it can be bent, and most mATX or even ATX cases don't have that sort of room on the sides. As such, Corsair may have selected to go with standard 8-pin connectors that can be fed to a 12VHPWR adapter. I had this laptop a couple of months many years ago. Then sold it. Now the man is dead, so back it went. Not the nicest way to get it back. I will install a newer Win 10 version on it then give it to my mother-in-law. She have an very old laptop with an Intel Celeron 1007U and an small wimpy 15 inch display. That Celeron chips is covered with loads of Norwegian flags on the Hwbot leadeboard🙂 This one will better for her due the bigger screen size. And I have doubled the ram to 8GB. The laptop have never been updated since I helped install 1809 in early 2019. No patch for the OS or Windows Defender. Nothing, and still clean 4 years later🙂 Imagine this... +4 years old OS without getting any OS patches from Redmond, No patches for the Cpu or Gpu from Intel or Nvidia to fix well known vulnerabilities. And no working antivirus software. This old machine have run smoth without a hitch. This is not for everyone, LOOL Edit: https://hwbot.org/submission/5174617_papusan_y_cruncher___pi_25m_core_2_quad_q9000_10sec_515ms https://hwbot.org/submission/5174621_papusan_y_cruncher___pi_1b_core_2_quad_q9000_22min_56sec_668ms

Nope, but I got my hands on Intel Core 2 Quad Q9000. A real quad core Intel chips from 2008😎 Yep, near 15 years old and need 15 minutes to execute Cinebench R20😁 A real monsta. Dual dies. Yep, AMD fanboys need to slow down the bragging about the modern dual CCD Cpus. Newer doesn't always mean innovation. @jaybee83 try beat my nice CBR20 score with your new fancy modern dual die Ryzen chips. And please don't say you'll loose aginst my new and shiny dual chip monsta. The one who spend "longest" time to finish CBR20 win The Intel Core 2 Quad Q9000 is based on two Penryn dies with each 3MB level 2 cache both produced in 45nm. https://hwbot.org/submission/5174702_papusan_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_2_quad_q9000_1167_cb https://hwbot.org/submission/5174760_papusan_cinebench___r20_core_2_quad_q9000_484_cb https://hwbot.org/submission/5174615_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_2_quad_q9000_222_cb https://hwbot.org/submission/5174784_papusan_cinebench___r11.5_core_2_quad_q9000_2.43_cb https://hwbot.org/submission/5174626_papusan_7_zip_core_2_quad_q9000_9570_mips

Everything Microsoft put they hands on will turn into a disaster. How is this possible @Mr. Fox @Ashtrix ? The culture at Micosoft is rotten and the egineers just foolow common pratice... Never test own products. Microsoft Defender update kills Start Menu shortcuts and program files on Windows "Defender really is the Gift that keeps on giving!" Facepalm: Microsoft Defender should provide plenty of security features for Windows-based enterprises and home customers. Some of those features, however, are turning against users and making system administrators regret yet another unlucky Friday the 13th. As tradition dictates, Friday 13th was a rather unlucky day for Windows users and system administrators worldwide. According to multiple reports, this past Friday Microsoft Defender for Endpoint turned into a shortcut and file "killer." That fateful day, the security suite began to delete application shortcuts from Windows Taskbar and Start Menu, sometimes even removing the linked program files from disk.

Here's the thing... You need to know the source where the driver update come from. Not so sure people would jump on it as sweet candy if they saw that the drivers was for Intel's baby Gaming boxes😎 But, yep some would jump on it anyway. Stupidity will always beat common sense. And as I pointed out in my reply...

Thanks bro Rage 🙂 We Norwegians is weird people, LOOL This is a nice post for bro @Mr. Fox People will never learn!!! https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?117609-DRIVERS-Intel-Chipset-MEI-SATA-VMD-(1xx-2xx-3xx-4xx-5xx-6xx-7xx)&p=881836#post881818 My response below... End result.... Edit. And same mess here with same "not needed" driver... Yep, some people never learn

They all will soon go with white models. I expect they do it because of the never stopping (RGB) bling bling trend. White reflect colors a lot more than black. I expect Black chassis still have the bigger audience. My sons chassis is white, but if everything have been white it wouls become awful. The black parts inside the white box make it look a lot better. All white theme will never match all black. Too much of the white color will destroy the whole look for white chassis. Too much black in a black box can't go wrong. As you can see... Black will fresh up the whole white. The small black dog is the "Little Thief".