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This is almost as a defective product. Or just say what MSI is able to throw out (Bad QC or just greed). If this is what MSI say is a binned product and want premium on top. No thanks. But your Newegg SKU is more the normal and what to expect for binned products. Slightly better vram than what I had. But all in all... Disapontment products from Msi. And in line with my experience with MSI graphics cards. Thanks for the testing brother. This just confirm my feelings about MSI🙂

Just don't click, download and install everything you see/find interesting😎 Some fun for the weekend 🙂

XX90 should never been introduced. All too expensive because you get capped silicon. Should be xx80Ti and 20GB vram for 1199$. Or with inflation on top at 1299$. Minimum $300 cheaper than today. This would be more acceptable. They could offer Titan branding instead for xx90(Ti) for those that want or need prosumer cards with +24GB vram and full fat die for their workflow.

Not so sure 60% premium above already disgisting price is so much better if you walk with the Green side of products. They both offer little; Pay a lot. Galax walks their own way. RTX 4090 HOF Edition for only $2579 or 60% premium over vanilla 4090. If you are lucky maybe you may find a custom water block later that will fits to exchange the fans. Then you’ll see the +$3000 price tag. On top... Forget getting their "special" OC tools who is only aviable for the elite benchers/the choosen one. You get the HW but not the needed toools. GALAX launches its beefy and over-the-top 666W RTX 4090 HOF Edition for $2579 https://www.tweaktown.com/news/90160/galax-launches-its-beefy-and-over-the-top-666w-rtx-4090-hof-edition-for-2579/index.html

AMD/Microsoft just don't want polaris users to play newer modern games with older HW if they prefer Windows (works on Linux). Even if the game experience will be bad.... I thinks Mr. Azor would say (sarcasm).... Please buy our new very expensive RDNA3 GPUs but don't expect magic vs previous gen RDNA2 Radeon cards. But if you buy our newer gen cards, we can grab out some profits and you are able to get newer drivers... We spend less time make "drivers for older gen graphics cards" only to let you get the best experience with our new cards. So please buy our newest and more expensive cards even if the performance gain is minimal. You all will with this help AMD and me stay relevant and this will help me pay my bill's. AMD Radeon RX 400/500 GPUs reportedly can’t run Forspoken https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-400-500-gpus-reportedly-cant-run-forspoken Yep, 7% faster is still better than no increase in perfomance. Family fight: AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT is up to 7% faster than RX 6950 XT but costs 28% more https://videocardz.com/newz/family-fight-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-is-up-to-7-faster-than-rx-6950-xt-but-costs-28-more And it doesn't look very rosy for NVIDIAs either.. RTX 4090 Q1 Sales Update: Nvidia’s Greed has Limits! (+ Intel / AMD CPU Update).

Worthless if the OEM as etc Zotac follow Nvidia and washing their hands Also my Zotac 980 Ti Amp Extrme had voltage adjustments. 87mv for more voltage control. Now in newer drivers... Gooner. Most OEM offer a few mv for voltage control. But worthless if Nvidia say they have to jump. And this is for you my old friend❤️ Happy Birthday bro Fox. I'm the middleman. Older than you but younger than bro Fox🙂 Best of both worlds?😆

When better tools from other OEM won't work on its competitors cards, 3rd party tools don't work, you are forced to use own buggy/useless OEMs software or even castrated software from the HW manufacturer (meant for all AIC partners cards), new modern fancy software from Redmond.... This doesn't bode well. This smells as a coming disaster. We are already there with laptops and desktop hardware. Todays graphics cards is already castrated vs. what it could have been out from the factory. And then you have the castrating a few years after you bought your graphics cards. A nice new way to push you over on next new modern that will be equal destroyed later.

AMD offer OC and tuning in own software.... https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/software-performance And this isn't the best option... Just read my previous post about AMD cripple 3rd party software that works better. See post below.

Apple continue their sick engineering/developement. Apple Silicon Mac Pro Will Not Support External Graphic Cards, But Its Own GPU Is Said To Be Plentiful Apple is reportedly taking multiple steps back as far as the user upgradeability goes on the company’s Mac Pro. In addition to not being able to upgrade the RAM, customers will also not be able to hook up external GPUs sporting a PCIe slot. However, it is possible that Apple is locking out external GPU support because the Mac Pro’s own solution will be more than capable. See my point above about awful software.... Software will be more and more important if 3rd party tuning software won't get or have support or just won't work. Good OEM tuning software will be more and more important if all other options will fade away/vanish. Be stuck with trash and buggy OEM software to be able to tune own HW will be difficult to accept. You need more than awesome HW. Not be able to use it the way it was meant because the software can't be used, make the fancy new HW rendered useless. All you sit with, is an expensive gaming toy with loads of bling bling and nice fancy blinking colors.

Here's the ads video of the small 8Pack Asteroid mini box. You are sure you won't be tempted?😀 My pleasure bro electro 🙂

The bling bling + custom-made distro plates probably push the whole parts package into 5000$ territory with the included EU tax. But i could get a nice looking pc with same Cpu and Gpu + a nice looking used car for the price they want. And this here in tax hell. I had to be drunk near to dead if I would open my wallets for this. What a nightmare to wake up from the day after you have pushed on the trigger and bought it🤯

$13,600 is a lot for a small box with some modern bling bling. Yep, some nice HW but the price doesn't always match what you are willing to pay. But some will buy it anyway. 8 Pack Asteroid MK2 Intel Core i9-13900KS (OC) with 5.5 GHz (P-Cores) Asus ROG Strix Z790-I Gaming WIFI Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 (OC) 32GB DDR5-5600 CL36 5TB SSD storage Mini-ITX case The handcrafted gaming PC relies on custom-made distro plates and hard tubes to cool the entire system, which, like all other components, are highlighted by a large number of ARGB LEDs.

Yep, but have to feed excessively voltage to be able to reach clocks the cheaper cards can run at default voltage is just sad. Remember you pay massive premium for the higher bin. But didn't say you have to go with the cheaper cards with the cheapest made power delivery. Cheap always come at a price that "reflect why it's so cheap". Edit. Forgot to say my Gigabyte GTX 1070 G1 Gaming is dead. And Gigabyte always go with at least two revisions for their HW within short time. I wouldn't jump right on a newly released graphics cards from Gigabyte. Nope, not me.

Whats the point with all the power phases when the cards crap out at around 3000MHz? At least Der8auer lost in the silicon lottery for his 4090 AORUS Master review sample. And 3015MHz is about as low you can get. Then you have the software... One of the worst out there? For me... I don't put any 4090 card in the shopping cart. Because the 4090 Strix OC is still difficult to get.

Nvidia has quietly started selling its RTX 4090Ti 6000 Ada Generation graphics card. 'Only' $6,800 to $8,600 for 18,176 CUDA cores and vanilla GDDR6. If Nvidia want to release 4090Ti FE at 3000$, then you'll get a bargain deal😎 Add the AIC premium on top and you'll see at least 3300$. Then.... 6 months later its worth 1000$ when 50xx is out. We have been there before with 3090Ti. Nvidia don't need miners to put the "correct" price point for own products. They manage it perfectly themselves. Nvidia RTX 6000 Ada Now Available: 18,176 CUDA Cores at 300W https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-6000-ada-now-available And AMD will offer more of their newest tech.... Cheaper than Nvidias new and shiny come at a price. Underwhelming AMD RDNA 3 Navi 33 performance leak suggests a mediocre generation for midrange GPUs might be on the cards AMD is expected to reveal midrange RDNA 3 cards, possibly the RX 7600/XT, with the Navi 33 GPU sometime in the coming months. Now, the latest rumor claims that the chip will only present measurable yet ultimately unexciting performance gains over the RDNA 2 boards. In essence, we are looking at evolutionary rather than revolutionary performance gains if All_The_Watts’ report is legit. Combine this with the rumor that the RTX 4060 Ti will be 10-15% faster vs the RTX 3060 Ti and one can argue that this generation is looking rather unimpressive in terms of midrange boards. And AMD prefer that you jump over on their newest cards... Isn't it fantastic driver support? Or maybe they have problems make newer drivers works with yesterdays Radeon graphics cards? I don't think I have seen similar from Nvidia before. AMD Software Adrenalin 23.1.2 for RX 7900 Series Third Straight Exclusive Driver, No New Driver for RX 6000 Series Since 48 Days Techpowerup.com | Today, AMD today released the Adrenalin 23.1.2 drivers exclusively for the Radeon RX 7900 series, making it the third straight driver of the kind. There has been no new driver for older GPUs, including the RX 6000 series, including the 7-month old RX 6950 XT, since December 8, 2022 (48 days now), which means the overwhelming majority of AMD Radeon users don't yet have optimization for games such as Forspoken, and Valhiem. The latest 23.1.2 drivers only work with the RX 7900 XT and RX 7900 XTX. These introduce day-zero optimization for "Forspoken," and a handful background improvements for the Vulkan API. AMD fixed the "Delayed Write Failed" error noticed on Windows 11 22H2; less than expected performance with "SpaceEngine," and flickering issues noticed with "Emergency 4." DOWNLOAD: AMD Software Adrenalin 23.1.2 for RX 7900 Series Yep, either they have massive problems with the new cards and the latest and greatest need special treatments or they struggle with how drivers for R7900 series works with older gen cards. Pick whats fits.

I'm not so sure that Cens is one of "those chosen one". And you can clearly see that on Hwbot ranking.

This is somewhat old info bro ryan. Have been known for many years. The best benefits will be for gaming and Jokebooks who have the bios filled up with all sorts of power savings features you can't disable (yep, the OEM love you). If you have latency problems this tool should help on that. And the MSI tool have been baked into NVCleanstall a very long time. Regarding TechPowerUp NVCleanstall. ... Techpowerup released a new version yesterday. https://notebooktalk.net/topic/438-drivers-support-for-laptops-desktops-intel-nvidia-and-amd/?do=findComment&comment=24469 I mean the same was for 12th gen KS chips. And the elite benchers got the best binned 13th gen chips long time ago. They got the 13900K long before Intel released 13th gen last year. And yep... They didn't pay the KS premium price. The got it "Free at no costs" is todays word 🙂 13900KS.... 13900K....

TechPowerUp NVCleanstall v1.15.1 Released Techpowerup.com - Jan 24, 2023 TechPowerUp today released the latest version of TechPowerUp NVCleanstall, a handy utility that lets you take greater control over your NVIDIA GeForce software installation. NVCleanstall lets you disable stuff you probably don't need, such as Telemetry, or legacy components, giving your PC a leaner set of system software from NVIDIA. Version 1.15.1 introduces several handy changes. To begin with, the title screen shows whether the currently installed driver is a Studio driver (optimized for creators). A crash during the background update check for new NVIDIA drivers has been fixed. We've added two more installer tweaks with this release. The first one lets you disable Multiplane Overlay (MPO)—doing so is known to fix certain rare system stuttering issues. Another tweak lets you disable the NVENC concurrent session encoding limits, so you can encode more than two streams in parallel. This tweak uses keylase's patch scripts from GitHub. The "build package" option has been improved to ensure it runs well on systems with more than 20 CPU cores, and better error reporting has been added. Grab TechPowerUp NVCleanstall v1.15.1 from the link below. DOWNLOAD: TechPowerUp NVCleanstall 1.15.1 How to use NVCleanstall: NVCleanstall - NVIDIA Driver Customizer - TechPowerUp How to mod and sign NVIDIA drivers with TPU NVCleanstall

HaHa. But what with the new improved products from the more well renowned brand with first letter starting with A as in Assss or AMD? They follow the same new norm for todays tech world. Nothing good enough for you bro Fox?😎 Edit. AMD have confirmed their never stopping QC/QM problems. This one is the 2nd flaws now coming from their sales department. They can't even post correct info on their own sales page. But I think it was intended and that they was cought with the pants down. https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/news/hardware/prozessoren/60302-nun-doch-oder-ein-fehler-ryzen-7000x3d-prozessoren-mit-oc-unterstützung.html

I wonder how long it will take AMD to lock out all 3rd party tools for oc'ing/tuning older gen AMD HW in the same way as Nvidiots killed of voltage adjustments for Maxwell graphics cards. Most can be done with drivers. Nvidia did it. So can AMD. In short... So, you are on the mercy of the idiots. https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/no-rdna-3-up-for-more-power-tool-says-developer.3794008/ Edit... AMDs consumer products in free fall.... But it looks like for now, AMD suffers more than Apple. While the company is particularly strong with its datacenter-oriented EPYC CPUs, it is relatively weak on the PC market, which is why Bernstein Research cut its per share target for AMD from $95 to $80.

As you can see below... AMD don't want to cater to the performance enhusiasts anymore. All is about giving their main audience (their high core gamer kids) what they ask for.... Fancy Gaming toools. AMD go all in for fully locked hardware. Processors or graphichs cards they, all suffer from same target "Fully locked down". @Mr. Fox are you still keen on jumping on the Red sides hardware a last time? It seems everything AMD put their hands on nowadays turns into a disaster. No RDNA 3 Update for More Power Tool, Says Developer tomshardware.com Locking down the power tables When AMD first indicated that it locked the power play tables(opens in new tab) on its latest Radeon RX 7000-series graphics processors a month ago, it meant one popular overclocking method was not supported at the time. Now, it looks like AMD has completely locked down manipulations of the power play tables with its RDNA 3 GPUs. That means the More Power Tool utility(opens in new tab) will not be able to support the new cards, and overclocking will be essentially limited to AMD's Adrenalin software. "[When it comes to power play tables], pretty much everything is double and triple secured," one of the More Power Tools developers wrote, reports CapFrameX. "[To make things work,] we would have to rewrite firmware and drivers, and we cannot do that. Not even under Linux. So, there will be no MPT for RDNA3. AMD really screwed it up this time." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the symptoms of todays tech. From worse to even more worse (quality)(QC). Make cheaper products that the average Joe is happy to buy. We live in sad days bro @Ashtrix More and more cheapo junk will be thrown out to "cut costs". And we will see more of this in the future. AMD even have to lock out overclocking from their modern gaming processors so they don't go up into fire. Yep, very fragile. Equal fragile as Samsungs new "Pro branded" ssd's. They can barely be used the ways it was meant to be used. Samsung should have removed the "Pro" branding of their best ssd's. And same for AMD... The X moniker in the Cpu SKU name is very misleading. Some think its all about eXtreme. But thats not correct for Ryzen or/and AMD products. The should instead used FL = Fully Locked.

Remember the Phanteks T30 will perform worse vs vanilla Noctua NF-A120 fan at low rpm. And I don't talk about the stronger iPPC fans from Noctua. And at sub 1000 rpm you won't see very much difference in noise with ok'ish quality fans vs high premium fans. I expect you talk about putting the Phanteks as case fans (you'll use iPPC in push pull for the AIO). Paying high premium for case fans is for me a bit odd if you don't use them for feeding air to an AIO that sit inside the chassis.

What with the MC prediction?

You need to test it. But some info here... https://www.overclock.net/threads/overclocking-raptor-lake-13900k-13700k-13600k-etc-results-bins-and-discussion.1799628/post-29124626

Doesn't this below look familiar? Haven't wee seen similar coming from AMD's never stopping QC and QM problems? AMD Ryzen 7000X3D series now listed as ‘unlocked for overclocking’ videocardz.com https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7000x3d-series-now-listed-as-unlocked-for-overclocking Then you have this nice small notice from Techpowerup.com.... Update Jan 24th: AMD updated their product pages to remove this field altogether. And it seems AMD have even more nice news for the fanboys/girls in the Red camp.... Rumors, yes but with AMD you never know what you'll get as you can clearly see above😎 Dismal AMD RDNA 3 refresh rumor suggests all RDNA 3+ RX 7000 SKUs have been canned Per the leaker, AMD has binned all RDNA 3+ SKUs as they failed to hit performance and efficiency targets. The leaker goes on to say that RDNA 3+ is “bad all platforms”. All_The_Watts previously suggested that the RDNA 3+ would be the “true full fix” as flagship Navi 31 featured in the RX 7900 XT/XTX and mid-range Navi 33 suffer from identical hardware bugs that Team Red was unable to discover until it was too late. Navi 32 and Phoenix APU were reportedly doing fine as AMD had managed to fix the GPUs. The cancelation of the RDNA 3 refresh could be real, as Paul from RedGamingTech has also heard similar reports from some of his sources. Curiously, a few of Paul’s sources maintain that the RDNA 3 refresh is still happening, but it will be a while before the boards are released.