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In the old days they focused on overclocking.... Nowadays they focus on fancy RGB and the design. Look on the GPU packages for new modern cards. Oc'ing is almost not mentioned. I really love the design on the older flagship cards from Evga, Msi and Galax. Asus is boring.

Yup. And if they lock you out you are screwed if similar happens with whatever HW you own. See also my latest words in previous post. I'm happy with how MSI manage older HW? Nope. And it doesn't matter if you have some older AMD or Nvidia graphichs.

See my edit. If MSI want everything locked out you may risk have to buy a new screen. We could fix Dell's stupidity. But don't count on this next time. And if this is the direction they want forwards... Be prepared for something much worse forwards. Remember also... Only Asus software can fix MSI's stupidity locking you out from the voltage slider for older graphics cards.

Main point.... No one should lock you out from flashing whatever firmeware you want. You have paid for the product. You yourself should be able to do whatever you want with your hardware. If this is the direction MSI want "for you" forwards... Then you know the outcome. And that's not a good thing. Edit. You remember the black screen issues with AW and Clevo screens? How would it be if you couldn't flash new firmware? You was fully locked oth the way MSI want. That's disgusting.

Hmmm. This is MSI…. They prefer casual gamers/gamer «kids». Their future. Of course they released a new 2 dimm mini board for the same audience and not a real ATX board for the enthusiasts. Yup, the tech trend continues. Facepalm: A controversial decision to limit firmware updates on some new MSI gaming monitors ticked off enthusiasts. However, casual gamers will likely flock to the display's impressive specs and affordable pricing. https://www.techspot.com/news/102011-msi-new-monitors-cause-uproar-reddit-over-firmware.html

More nasty incoming... Your next Windows update may not require a reboot — "Hot Patching" is reportedly coming to Windows 11 shortly tomshardware.com The only caveat with this new on-the-fly Windows update feature is that it will enable Virtualization Based Security (VBS). If you are a gamer, there is a good chance you might have this feature turned off to boost system performance. Since it is a feature that is known to reduce performance slightly. Microsoft is currently testing its hot patching feature in the Windows 11 dev channel, but only with Windows Insiders with VBS enabled.

Why you think Jonny Guru (edit... boss for PSU division) put an stopper for this for Corsair PSU'S ? And the bend ratio is more strict for PSU's. They apply in all directions. + you get the flimsy hook also on the PSU panel. Double good? Nope. Double worse! And ATX 3.0 is an old standard now. And don't offer CEM 5.1 Edit. Buy Corsair’s latest revision of HX1500.

This is perverse. Who in their right mind can come up with something like this as an improvement? we talk about well paid engineers Disable "Show more options" context menu in Windows 11 And the HW manufacturers adopt exactly same stupid thinkings. And if I remember correctly.... Microsoft will with time handle all new drivers forwards from all HW companies. It will be worse bro Fox. A lot worse. And You don't need to look into a dummy books anymore. It will pop up directly on your screen. And AI will be in the kernel. So you can't stop it/disable it. I'm happy I am an older man. Edit. Yum yum... More of the modern. This won't stop. The only caveat with this new on-the-fly Windows update feature is that it will enable Virtualization Based Security (VBS). If you are a gamer, there is a good chance you might have this feature turned off to boost system performance. Since it is a feature that is known to reduce performance slightly. Microsoft is currently testing its hot patching feature in the Windows 11 dev channel, but only with Windows Insiders with VBS enabled.

As I mentioned in older posts.... I think we will see more 2 dimm boards forwards. And this helps on this as well. However, bigger things are coming. Memory manufacturers are preparing their mainstream 64GB memory modules for prime time. MSI brings 256GB RAM support on Intel and AMD motherboards Spot on. If this new fancy will be the only option I will go all in with Nvidia profile inpector. I have benched AMD card and I hate their fancy app/software. As you see... The new modern tech tend continue. I really hope Nvidia can make a slimmed down new fancy trashware. You have the opposite experience vs me. I can't see any fantastic with the MSI products I have owned. And I talk about several GPU's. Remember I'm an collector and bencher. Not a gamer. And why MSI scrapped 2 dimm boards after Z690 isn't a good move if you want sell products to those that enjoy benching/performance. A sucky move. Yup, they re- relased 2 dim board. But with baby design. This isn't what to expect from a brand that cater to oc'ers.

Nope. I don't want be their unpaid guinea pig. But I see the beta bios have changed to official 1002 firmware now. For the ME I think it's the same version as the release for the Encore. If you installed 0080 I mean you already have ME 16.1.30.2307 installed

Here's an another nice snacks you'll see when it arrives Papusan's plaza. This is the pict of asic from the coming new"old" GTX580 trash boat. Maybe You guess the brand without looking for the first letter?😀 For you others, the first letter start with... Z +80% is always a good sign🙂 But this doesn't' necessarily mean it has to be a keeper. Anyway... I'm a collector of newer and older HW. I enjoy all tech thats meet my needs. Bruno is one of the very few that let you have access to firmware that the elite/choosen one prefer have for themself. Same for software/drivers. And you need a name to get what you want. Thank you very much my friend 🙂 I always try save old XOC/good firmware. You never know when you'll need it. And I know you think the same way. So we have similar mindset. Almost like twins. Btw. Did you test the two latet bios version for the Encore? 0904 and Beta 1001

Would be very nice if You had it, so thanks. Maybe I have it from before. I save a lot from internet. 🙂 You never know when I have one of the kind in hand. The nice with sub 10xx cards. Just look in GPU-Z and you have the answer what you got. Not that high asic means an fantastic oc'r but the chance is higher than trash bin. Many of the best "so called best binned" cards is with lower bin. But that's for LN2 or sub zero. For normal temps its' different. I just payed for the card 🙂 It's mine now. Hope the post don't screw up. I have 5-10 old cards I look at. Will see if something is what I want pay for. I fill up the whole Papusan plaza with cards. The pict lover have something to look forwards to, LOOL Edit. I really love the work EVGA have put into the Classy GTX780. What you think you young man @electrosoft Edit. Is this the correct one? Bruno is a thrustworthy person https://community.hwbot.org/topic/226719-gtx-780-classified-bios-mod/

You're correct. In the old days you had proper options. Not so much nowadays. I hate the direction we going. Add some new RGB with fancy colors and people are happy with what they get. I like the old days. Maybe I'm starting to be old. Who knows. But I couldn't say no when I saw this (beauty) card on the used market. Right below $50 usd seems expensive but remember we pay 25% tax on everything we buy here. And most you find on the used market is somewhat bob bob. Or vanilla trash for slightly less. I'm sure I could have a fun time gaming with old cards. That don't bother me. I'm an old gen and can be pleased by less than the new and more modern. My 4090 HOF doesn't provide much more fun. Happy with whatever I have to play with. I'm just an simple man. And happy with that.

I have no problems wait one,two or 3 months to pick the card I want. I have probably +22 cards and can't play with them at same time🙂 @electrosoft @Mr. Fox @Rage Set @Talon +++ Do you like beauty? Real old beauty? Or is young and new virginity better? I sit waiting to finish pay and my new old EVGA is on the way on Monday to old Papusan. Paid. Say hello to EVGA GTX 780 Classy. Yup, this design is fantastic. The closest you can come older EVGA and Kingpin design. Why can't they make Classy and fantastic GPU design nowadays? The damn flood of RGB cancer and plastic destroy the whole products. Is new design always better than old design bro @ryan? Is newer always better? Nope! Prove me wrong brother. But you'll lose. Be you sure. I can post new posts to turn you around every day if needed😁 My addiction for new "old" won't stop. Who said you can't have fun with old? New is a buzzword. Yup I need to feed the pict lover (You know whom you are) with more and more beauty so he can be happy. EVGA is just the icing on the cake🤪 Sorry my not perfect english. But I try make the words in my own world perfect everyday. Correct me if some think my english or wording is awful. If you understand the half I'm an happy camper, HeHe Having the best bin from Evga for GTX780 make me more happy.... EVGA GTX 780 Dual CLASSIFIED w/ ACX Cooler Bought also this one today. I lacked a HDMI to Mini-HDMI cable for the old. On sales. Demo model for $7 USD. That's cheap for 2m. This type cables is rarely in use and almost never sold anymore.

Post #24 & #27. Mine is #31 Introducing Nvidia App: Replacing GeForce Experience and Control Panel https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/introducing-nvidia-app-replacing-geforce-experience-and-control-panel.451343/page-2#post-6210140

Just give them a fine that push them years backwards. And it helps avoid unwanted software/apps. In short.... Choose what you want and install carefully. Also the EU regulation have forced changes for privacy. To the better for "some" consumers as in EU countries and Northern Scandianavia. FTC Bans Antivirus Provider Avast From Selling Users' Browsing Data “The vast majority of consumers would not know that the Avast Software would surveil their every move on the Internet or that their browsing information might be sold to more than 100 third parties and stored indefinitely, in granular, re-identifiable form,” the FTC’s order adds.

Hmmm. I wonder how long it takes before we see new login requirements or new unwanted changes. Modern often turn into to the undesirable or disgusting. That's for sure. Just look at how Microsoft go one step forwards then two steps backwards with their OS. New or newer doesn't always mean better. It can be worse. Yup. Gamers nexus is spot on. See from 7:16 (new doesn't always mean better). More clicks to do same tasks is exactly the way Microsoft did with their new and shiny OS. To the worse. Yup, all this reminds me about the new modern Windows. And I hate it. Does it matter? In principle, it is a no-brainer. Stay away from "My PC, privacy and data". It's my property. It's me who determine what I want do with my data and my own computers. If I want to share... I do it myself. If they know everything they "all" would stop snoop.

Have seen it before but didn’t take a note of it because I scrapped the launch of Z790 cards. I walked right from Z690 Apex over to the Encore. Msi hadn’t an option after Z690 Unify-X. And Evga z790 wasn’t an option here. When you talked about it I googled it for you and @Rage Set 🙂

CPU Loadline Saturation Control: If CPU current is higher than the 'CPU Loadline Saturation Level' threshold, 'CPU Loadline Calibration' settings will apply. If the CPU current is lower than the threshold, the setting will not apply and thus there's no Vdroop https://wccftech.com/msi-intros-loadline-saturation-on-z790-motherboards-maxing-out-single-multi-core-performance-on-intel-cpus/

Evga use rotated socket for the Dark boards so I expect there is space for the tubes house. That's the main problem with this new AIO design. Arctic didn't bother put EVGA Intel boards on their compatibility list. Only their X570 Dark board https://support.arctic.de/lf3-compatibility Also MSI have limited model on the list. Loads of the lower end Intel boards have a place on the list. But I wouldn't trust this list. They failed with the compatibility list when the Z690 boards was released. Arctic is very glad in revisions numbers. I mean Freezer ll is up in v7 or 8 by now. Yup. The goal was to make the AIO more appealing to the consumers. Not for the best performance. Most people buy HW with their eyes. Not with their head or mind.

Be aware of compatibility issues. I would hate have a tiny 3rd party heatsink that destroying the look and performance. Not the first time Arctic "offer" compatibility issues with Asus ROG boads. Also the Freezer ll had similar problems. But this new one can't be fixed as you could with the older gen AC Freezer coolers. https://support.arctic.de/lf3-m2modif Nice solution? Nope. This is etc with the Z790 Apex and Apex Encore. You need either remove it and get thermal throttling or put in a smaller less performing 3rd party M.2 heatsink from etc Arctic or from China. And with this awful looking solution you eeven have to remove the added memory cooler for Encore boards. Even if you don't use this useless Gen 5 M.2 slot it will look ugly. You can either replace the M.2 heatsink with a thinner heatsink or remove it completely. Who want to use this small thin flimsy 3rd party metal heat shield to cool their already overheating/throttling PCIe5.0 gen M.2 ssd's? Idiotic Engineers and corp ruin everything. Yep. I stand with what I have said before... I don't llike this new stupid design.

The whole world is flooded with dishonesty. I will never determine my purchases on a few reviewers/influencers. I always do my own due dilligence. This because you can't trust them! Take for an example AMD. They try get rid of their older silicon/Gpus then want to dictate the retailers selling prices. If you want to sell it at a loss or at minimum profits... Why aren't you allowed to do so? Is it Nvidia, AMD and Intel that can determine what retail shops as etc Amazon can sell their products for? The free market doesn't work. AMD Taking Strict Action Against Retailers Selling Radeon RX 6750 GRE GPUs Below MSRP In China https://wccftech.com/amd-taking-strict-action-against-retailers-selling-radeon-rx-6750-gre-gpus-below-msrp-in-china/ China’s special graphics card RX 6750 GRE is too cheap! AMD takes action: fines, suspension of goods At the end of January, AMD issued an internal notice to AIB brand manufacturers and dealers, requiring that the prices of RX 6750 GRE 10/12GB must be strictly controlled, with the lowest prices being 2,149 yuan and 2,379 yuan respectively. NVIDIA Announces Q4 and Fiscal 2024 Results, Clocks 126% YoY Revenue Growth, Gaming Just 1/6th of Data Center Revenues Do engineers/developers prefer gaming cards as 4090's or cheaper SKUs?

Use whatever cheap DDR5 ram you have with 4K and 4080 Super priced cards. Maybe people/gamers can offset the 4080 Super prices going with cheap ram?😬 The fun part bro @Mr. Fox Old games take more advantage of the faster DDR5 sticks. At least in the sample from Jayz. In short... You can probably offset some of the disgusting Asus price premium, going with whatever cheap DDR5 ram you can get. Who said Asus 4080 Super flagship graphics cards was overpriced? HaHa. And isn't it weird that the reviewers don't bother reply when you call out their partners producing trash? Are they afraid for talking about their partners products in not a good lights / "in not a good way"? Will their profits sink or get less review units from partners? Whats the goal with reviews? Ads for their partners or help consumers buy the best products?

I can clearly see where Arctic designers were inspired from😁 More Gold for @PremaHwbot Team. Today's tripple bro @ryan😎 https://hwbot.org/submission/5488123_papusan_3dmark2001_se_geforce_gtx_560_ti_(gf110_448_shaders)_180524_marks?recalculate=true GPUPI - 1B (GTX 560Ti - +42 overclock or +320 for the cores) https://hwbot.org/submission/5488089_papusan_gpupi___1b_geforce_gtx_560_ti_(gf110_448_shaders)_43sec_239ms GPUPI 3.3 - 1B https://hwbot.org/submission/5488090_papusan_gpupi_v3.3___1b_geforce_gtx_560_ti_1min_0sec_439ms

Yup enjoy the 4090 consistency. Here's another but not so happy guy. But he play with Red fire. See from 6:42🤪 Is dips the same as crashing bro @electrosoft? Or does AMD offer both features? So double win for the Red team?😀 Also Nvidia screw the customers.... At least you get it a lot cheaper than the dippy 7900XTX card from AMD - From 7:03 and yees... Nvidia used the remaing defective silicon hence they castrated the card. What color do you get if you mix and match Red and Green? Brown like this mess from the little Thief? One thing for sure, I wouldn't dip into that. Neither would I dip into AMD😁