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TSMC is heavily subsidized by the Taiwanese government and now apparently the US govt. too. AMD got rid of their fabs. I think it’s long overdue for Intel to sell theirs off too. All of Intels losses are because of the costs and investment into those fabs in recent years. It’s not Intels job to ensure we have home field fabs. If the US government doesn’t care, then Intel needs to dump them. We will all be buying TSMC or maybe Samsung chips in the future. The prices are going to sky rocket. And it’s nobodies fault but our own. Also when is the last time Intels marketing was good? I feel sorry for those that are losing their jobs, but when a company is in the red, nobody is safe.

Intel with it's own bLLC (big last level cache) coming with Nova Lake. Apparently it's 144Mb cache tile. Nova Lake shaping up to be a monster CPU for Intel.

AVX512 is coming back to Nova Lake. Except it’s the next gen called AVX10. Unfortunately HT is gone I think.

AMD is making 32 core Ryzen? I don't think so. They're changing to 12 core CCD, meaning max 24 cores 48 threads. Intel has already got the LPE cores (see useless cores for desktop) figured out. They've been using them since Meteor Lake laptops. I recently had a 285H laptop that had 2 LPEs and they worked only when watching something full screen on battery. They do a great job to extend the life of the battery when just doing media consumption. So not worthless for a laptop. But unless something changes (and it might) for Nova Lake, they cannot be used for heavy tasks, even if you try to force them on. Although, like I said, it might change and they might be usable for Nova Lake desktop. But back to the point, it's already been figured out on the scheduler side. Also this is like the 6th gen of disaggregated hybrid CPU for Intel. The scheduler works pretty great at this point, I have yet to see many if any issues with Arrow Lake scheduling. Nova Lake with 48 cores, no HT, is likely going to wipe the floor with a 48 thread Ryzen in Multithreading. 24 threads on Arrow Lake already compete with 32 threads on Zen 5. With thread parity, I don't see it going well for AMD. Not to mention the E cores just continue to get better and better each gen. If they do happen to get all 52 cores working together, it won't even be close IMO.

1. Shut down the laptop. 2. Hold Fn + Tab and while holding, power on the laptop. When you see the lights on the keyboard light up, count to 2 and release Fn + Tab and begin to mash F2 to get into the BIOS. 3. Go to the advanced settings and look for the second advanced menu on the left. If the Advanced menu does not exist, you have to go one step further by creating an Admin password for the BIOS. Once you create the password, save and exit and then shut down and do the above. Now the advanced menu should be there. Be warned there are a lot of settings in there, and not all settings can be tinkered with an recovered from if set wrong.

I had the Acer Helio Neo 16S AI for about 3 days before I took it right back. The speakers, build quality, and overall horrible thermal design did not justify the price. How on earth Acer managed to make a chunkier, uglier, and less performant device than the Asus G16 is beyond me. I went back to my thin and light Asus G14 with 4070 and will ride this gen out I think. Honestly for my needs, the G14 does everything pretty great. Good screen, extremely portable and light, amazing speakers and a halfway competent gaming experience when I want to do some light gaming on overnights in hotels. I'm so over the huge and heavy desktop replacement style laptops personally. Mostly because they're not like the old days. They're stripped of features, and locked down so heavily the costs and weight/size don't justify their existence anymore. I'd rather the thin and light daily driver I can carry around the house, or actually use a laptop. The Acer "only" being 5lbs, and sub 1" looked decent to fit the bit for an upgrade at a decent price. Just didn't meet my expectations. I will say though, the 240Hz OLED instead of the advertised 165Hz was a very nice surprise. Also they used SK Hynix 6400MTs CSO DIMMS (laptop CUDIMMS) as well. Shame they locked overclocking down completely, even with the unlocked advanced menus. They literally removed the "overclocking menu" and Undervolt Protection option so you could not tune voltage. Why sell an HX chip, and then remove all of those features while you competitors offer tuning? If you guys do want to try and access the BIOS on Acer. 1. Shut down the laptop. 2. Hold Fn + Tab and while holding, power on the laptop. When you see the lights on the keyboard light up, count to 2 and release Fn + Tab and begin to mash F2 to get into the BIOS. 3. Go to the advanced settings and look for the second advanced menu on the left. If the Advanced menu does not exist, you have to go one step further by creating an Admin password for the BIOS. Once you create the password, save and exit and then shut down and do the above. Now the advanced menu should be there. Be warned there are a lot of settings in there, and not all settings can be tinkered with an recovered from if set wrong. Oddly you can sometimes also unhide even more settings in different menu trees by hitting CTRL + S while on that menu page.

@electrosoft I was just curious if he got into the hidden/advanced BIOS on that Acer as I found a way into the hidden/advanced menus without needing to use SREP. A simple key entry on boot unlocks the hidden 'second' Advanced menu on Acers.

Did you ever go into the BIOS and unlock it?

Benchmark!!! We need them.

Sadly I have been looking at that exact card lol. Had it in my cart multiple times. But sanity got the better of me. The excitement of owning something that expensive would probably wear off quickly and I'm not sure I could ever forgive myself for buying something that foolishly expensive. I'd rather get a couple Breitlings or a nice Rolex.

Awesome being sampled a laptop! As long as you can tune the D2D/NGU/Cache in the BIOS, you should in theory be able to get it's gaming and overall performance improved. 275HX has same D2D/NGU clocks as the desktop chip given it's a desktop chip in a laptop. 275HX should be very power efficient for the given performance.

Is the "refresh" any better? I was interested awhile back in the new CPUs they refreshed with, but are they not able to to clock any higher? How is latency on that platform? I know it's a ridiculously expensive platform, but I don't remember a single outlet even looking at overclocking/gaming on it.

Ya I got a TUF OC around the first round of price increases. But looking back, I got a bargain LOL.

Ya 5090 is an absolute unit of a GPU. The problem is the ridiculous price. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/the-last-of-us-part-2-performance-benchmark/5.html A 53% gap at 4K is insane. The 5090 really stretches it's legs here.

Gotta agree. I really liked the 4070 Super, and I'll take the 5070 for $50 cheaper, but dang what at tiny improvement. This card needed 16gb and same price and it would have been decent IMO. But same 12gb for the price and tiny improvement is just bad. I still think it's more than enough card for most though. I sold my 4070 Super for the $600 I paid for it. I managed to snag an MSRP 5070 Ti Prime off Newegg last week to replace it. It overclocks hard and the $749 MSRP ain't bad considering it beats a 4080 Super OC for OC.

Dang I wish I had known you were in the market. I just sold my Legion 7i Pro with 13900HX, 6000 CL36 DDR5 with tuned timings, and RTX 4090 175w. I have been rocking a wussy boy G14 with an AMD 8945HS 8 core and an RTX 4070 (vomit) 100w or something similar for almost 6 months and the Legion was sitting in my closet. I mostly use the G14 for browsing the web and some light gaming on my overnights in the hotel. I got so sick of lugging around my beastly Lenovo and really wanted a 3-4lb laptop that I didn't notice in my bags. I really liked the Lenovo, it was around 6lbs but used every lb and inch of space wisely. Compact yet powerful, with a full coverage vapor chamber that let the 4090 and 13900HX stretch it legs pretty hard. Also I could access the BIOS with a semi hack to tune pretty much everything I wanted fairly easily. But in the end, lugging around the 6lbs, nearly 2x the weight, not including the 330w brick, I got sick of it. When traveling 2-4 days at a time on the road, space is a premium. I'm considering going to a 4lb G16 16" laptop with RTX 50, but I question why given most evenings I use the laptop mostly to catch up on YouTube, Reddit, forums, or watch Netflix. Something the G14 with it's 14" 120Hz OLED does very well. Congrats on that beast, looks really nice.

I believe it's Intel 3, which is domestic, but 18A won't be available until later this year with Panther Lake.

That's kinda my point. It makes zero sense because the card will never operate that way. You could buy 1000 RTX 5070 Ti chips and not a single one of them is ever not going to boost upwards of high 2700-2800Mhz. Not one. Nvidia tunes these cards for peak performance along a curve, and artificially clamping them down can do all kinds of weird things to performance. And then to compare against a card he is letting boost like it should makes things even more bizarre and misleading. Yet if you look through the comments, nobody notices this? Then again his viewership is sort of an echo chamber as most channels tend to be. But I will agree with the idea that GPU prices are just stupid, stupid, stupid. I used an RTX 5080 for awhile and I really liked it but damn unless you get it MSRP, it's also stupid. I hate it. I am beginning to hate Nvidia, their supply, the games being played, all of it. For the first time in a long time I've been pretty soured by Nvidia. Also I ended up "picking" lol, the Asus TUF OC 5090. It was what Microcenter had available. I went 3x separate nights and finally got a card. It was downright insane/stupid lol. I did meet some pretty cool dudes though, all of us the same, crazy enthusiasts. Chairs, blankets, snacks, etc. We did chill in our cars most nights until around 7am and then lined up as the less crazies arrived. I actually wanted the TUF/OC model or the Astral. I've had an Astral on order at Provantage since last month, they charged me on Tuesday, so maybe it ships soon?

Unfortunately 600w just is not enough. I need to mess around with undervolting or get my hands on a higher than 600w power limit vBIOS. During the Steel Nomad run it was pegged at or above 600w the entire run. Will tinker with voltage and curve when I get more time. But it's clear to me from the outset this card is insanely power hungry/starved. This is an Asus TUF OC RTX 5090 btw. I also have an Asus TUF OC RTX 5080 I'll be looking to get rid of soon. Actually a banger card, more than enough IMO but not an upgrade or even a sidegrade from a 4090 unless you want to use multi frame gen which for single player games is pretty incredible stuff. But pure power and vram, it's just too gimped beyond the $999 price tag for the FE.

WTF is a "reference clock". I'm sorry, but this kid is an absolute goof. I've watched some of his stuff and he has very little knowledge about what he's doing or talking about. He overlays the stats, and puts in "reference clock" and clamped the clocks down to hit his agenda of trying to present a slower card. Total BS. Unless he's attempting to tell the audience out of pure ignorance or misleading them to believe that Nvidia cards only hit their "reference boost". This has not been the case since the 600 series? As you can see even this crap MSI Ventus "reference boosts" to 2782MHz out of box. Total joker.

I ran out of time to really compare to the two rigs. My 9800X3D remained my secondary system in my living room. Currently it's paired with an Intel B580 lol. It was getting a bit cocky and I had to put something blue in the cage to keep it humble. But honestly ran out of time with work to really compare with my 4090. I sold the 4090, and my 4070 Super is in my main rig as is my 285K. Honestly all complains or early teething issues with ARL for me are gone. The platform is just rock solid. Early on there were these random slow downs, or hangs in the OS. I'm not sure if that was 24H2 being trouble or if it was ARL microcode. Either way, the system just flies now. I'll do more testing when/if I get my 5090.

Absolutely not tuned at all. Running 8600 XMP is not tuned, it's just running stock with an XMP kit. This guy is actually a moron and claiming he did any type of tune. You can see he left the NGU/D2D and cache all stock. Then claiming he tried to "overclock" to 5.4Ghz P core all core. Dude 5.4Ghz is STOCK all core for P-cores. This dude is a literal idiot that is spreading more misinformation. At this point I'm not even convinced this level of misinformation isn't malicious. Tuning Arrow Lake takes about 2 minutes in the BIOS. You set 32x on D2D and NGU. Set 41x cache. Set 48-50x E Cores sync'd. Leave P Cores auto. Set XMP or XMP Tweaked. Save and reset. A decent tune is 68-71ns latency depending on which board you have since 2dimm boards have lower latency natively due to the physical distance. He's showing 85ns which is absolute trash and destroys gaming perf.

Nevermind, they are over 50 deep, holy ****. Unreal lol. Ya I'll just be sitting home and trying my luck against the bots.

I've been keeping an eye on the Microcenter lines, I'm off but I'm not going over there 2 days early to line up. Those people at my local MC are already 15 or more deep at this point. That is wild and I'm not doing that. I'll head over the in the morning and try and get a card, but honestly I'm not even sure that is worth it. It sounds like the 5090 is pretty limited, and everyone in line is gunning for 5090. This might be the first time in a long time I don't get a card on or around launch day. That is fine, I'm more than happy running this 4070 Super until I can get either an Astral, TUF or FE, possibly a SuprimX.

I ordered one for my 5090. Not taking any chances this gen.