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Thanks brother will try that tonight. https://benchmark.unigine.com/leaderboards/superposition/1.x/720p-low/single-gpu/page-1 A largely forgotten benchmark but 720p low shows the CPU strength. Even with my terrible latency, I'm in 5th place with a 4070 Super FE lol. Hanging out with the 4090s on the leaderboard. Eye that first place price, I will get there once I swap in my 4090 and fix the latency.

Alrighty guys. I got the AM5 rig built and running yesterday. 9800X3D — SP113 Asus X870E Hero 6000 2x32gb GSkills C30 running at 6200. win11 24h2 26100.2161 Can’t figure out why my latency is so bad. It’s using the tuned timings and I’m at 75ns. That seems really high for tighter timings. What could I be missing? I thought AMD didn’t need tuning to get low latency? It was 80ns before tuning timings. Need some help since I’m not AMD proficient yet. @electrosoft

Im done comparing to tech tubers running dummy settings. I will have first hand knowledge. Not bought or sponsored by either brand. I really hope I don’t regret this purchase and AMD had better support this board with Zen 6. Its part of the reason I bought a high end board.

Took advantage of the Newegg trade in deal. $380 for my 14900KS SP105. Newegg has combo available for 9800X3D and X870E Hero for $999.99. I got free overnight shipping too. Grand total after my trade in was $619.99 + $62 tax. Not bad for a brand new 9800X3D and X870E Hero. O ya, it will be here tomorrow and saves me a trip to Microcenter.

Same. I am waiting on W890 lol. These new Xeons from Intel look like monsters, all P cores or all E cores. We need a new HEDT from Intel on that platform.

Nice! Congrats! How did you land on the MSI board?

My honest opinion is that if you have a good 14900K/KS, not having any stability issues, and don't care about power consumption and are not having any issues, stay on it unless you have money to burn and love tuning. At least for now. I will say that LGA 1700 is far more fickle compared to this platform. Arrow Lake is easily the most stable platform I've used in a long time. The IMC is a breeze, memory tuning is stupid easy. LGA 1700 you had to hunt to find a chip that could do above 8000-8200 truly stable, not on Arrow Lake. I was testing 9000 CL42 Gear 2 last night after I updated to yet again another new Microcode (0x112) and ME. Thankfully they are punching out more and more microcodes that continue to improve performance. And best of all, gaming performance went up yet again. There are still things that need to be worked out with Windows scheduling and their cancer OS. Core Isolation in many things are a massive hit on performance with Arrow Lake. It's truly disgusting what is being forced on peoples hardware. In the worst offender Cyberpunk 2077, I am now within 6% of my best 14900KS run. But in other games my 285K is easily beating my 14900KS. Sugi on OC.net is showing the same, with his 285K tuned up beating both 14th gen and a 7800X3D. There are games where it seems to fall down, but plenty of other games where the chip just screams. Sorry I don't rely on HWU or other mainstream tech tubers that don't bother to scratch deeper than the packaging the CPU is shipped in. I am going to keep my SP109 14900KS and APEX, and then dump the rest of my Z790 and chips. I am holding out hope that Bartlett Lake will come and I can build and test that for fun. Overall I really like Arrow Lake so far, the power consumption is excellent, the temps are low, and I think the platform will only improve over time. I've already seen latency tests below 60ns on OC.net. I personally believe Intel is going to bring Panther Lake to LGA 1851 next year and that will go up against the X3D chips and Zen6. The IMC is going to be back on the compute tile and that will have huge latency gains with the speeds we now have access to. At that point both Intel and AMD will be done and will both have to start fresh on new motherboards. I look at this gen for Intel as a rebuilding of sorts, and it's something that had to happen.

https://ibb.co/VBdv7db Stock 250/250 and 347a power and current limits. Pulls a max of 240w during this run. Not too shabby for a such a low power limit and only 24 threads. I might go direct die on this chip. Seems that EK Direct Die AIO is compatible with 1851 according to their website.

Honestly I've debated going full water blocks with bigger rads, etc. But everytime I look into, I just get disinterested in dealing with the headache. I tend to swap parts quite often, and the AIO just makes it so much easier for me to swap parts quickly. Also somewhat space. My office just doesn't support the idea of having a test bench area. Maybe my next house which I'm going to ensure will have a huge and finished basement. It will be my man cave for sure. At that point I'll likely just have a couple rigs all built, with one being a test bench area.

Provantage has the OCF near MSRP of $499 at $509 at Provantage. Newegg $599 is a scam IMO. Personally wish I kept the OCF $499 order I had previously. I am going to be curious how far you can push your 285K (when you eventually buy it lol) on your direct die chilled water setup.

Yes almost identical actually. Mine is SP80 with a tad better SP P88 but same exact E74. My ring is 56 I believe but my MC is 62? I can't remember, not home unfortunately. I had almost no time with my new 285K to really tune it, but it booted my existing 265K settings. 265K has better latency on the order of 2-3ns, just because of core count or arrangement. And actually in a quick Cyberpunk 2077 bench, it actually scored about 3-4fps higher on 265K. However, in Hogwarts, the 285K absolutely decimated the 265K, like not even close. I was shocked at the difference in performance and smoothness. So latency ain't all it. I'll be home on Sunday to get a lot more testing in, very interested to see what I can tune this new chip to. @johnksss I ran my 265K at daily of 57, 57, 56, 56, 55, 55, 54, 54 and E cores at 48x. Cache at 41x. D2D at 35x and NGU at 33x. Then 8533 C38 using the built in memory presets for 2x24gb SK Hynix M-Die. But I only need 1.435 VDD VDDQ DRAM and I used auto IMC and SA. This got me around 130K read, write, copy and 63-65ns latency in AIDA. Make sure you updated to latest 24H2 26100.2161 and latest beta BIOS 0092 or 0016 on the Raptor Lake Resources page for the Apex. (Actually it's now been updated by Shamino to 9901 today). He's been making fixes and improvements to latency and issues almost daily it seems. He's a machine. https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/intel-800-series/arrowlake-resources/td-p/1051570

You cannot run on only E cores, check that day 1 lol. Of course I would have loved to do that testing because I love the odd tests. You can run 1P and as many E as you have. I will give Process Lasso another try, but it did not like when I began trying to force games on certain cores the other day. For now, even on my non-cleaned OS, standard 26100.2161 24H2, I've managed to somehow outscore all those with 285K with additional cores and higher clocks in TS CPU test. https://ibb.co/74yS623

Forgot the Cinebench run at same clocks.

I'm actually having a blast juicing this chip. And I have the baby 265K for now. MC had ZERO chips this morning for 285K. I snagged a Newegg and it was packaging, but I decided to wait. I'm not sure what I'm going to do. So far I'm not even mad at the 265K and I know if I get similar 285K silicon to this beast, I might beat out my 14900KS. I just ordered that G.Skill 9600 CUDIMMs on Newegg. They became available and I got an order in, although it's a preorder for Nov 1. https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8473838 -- Beat my 14900KS best result. I'm running 57x to 55x on the P cores, and 51.33x on all E cores. The E cores are absolute units on these chips.

The reviews went about as I expected. The latency at stock is just not it. And I fully expect some windows OS scheduling issues that may eventually get ironed out.

Eh it’s not nearly that dire. I also think some of it can be fixed with microcode and os scheduling updates. Right now if I don’t use high performance profile the CPU will add 20-30ns of latency it’s wild. I expect that is what a lot of these reviewers are doing or not seeing. Yet go back and watch HwU review of Ryzen 1. He purposely used high perf to ensure proper perf. Let’s see if he does this for ARL.

Dielets 💩

I also enjoyed tinkering with the 11th gen so much. Memory OC was key. 8400 C38 with latest BIOS around 66ns. I imagine we can shave this down even more with CUDIMMs. Arrow Lake loses hard in some games, but it eeks out a victory in others from my testing. But it requires you to run high speed DDR5 and overclock the fabric.

Honestly after I got the cancer that is Windows 11 installed properly, I've had absolutely no issues with any of that. No crashing, no consistency issues, nothing. I've finally learned that the latency and fabric clocks are key. But still in many cases the 14900K/KS is just flat out better, at least when compared to the cache limited 265K I'm testing. It doesn't have this latency penalty crap. I think with CUDIMM I might be able to get better perf on 285K in some games while saving power and offer higher multicore. But at what cost. I really hope Bartlett Lake ends up being real. Intel needs to drop a high core count P core only and cache chip for gamers.

I just got sent a new BIOS and it shaved off a decent amount of latency! It had a new MCU and ME update, so they are definitely improving and working on things.

My global SP was 80. P 88 and E 74. I guess that is pretty common from what they're seeing even on 285K with some back and forth messages I had with someone else that likely is in the know.

36K at 190w stock.

LOL yes.

About how I'm feeling right now.

Hey sorry, I was trying to prevent the prying eyes from seeing where it came from. It's not the Ultra 9. I have the Ultra 7 265K for testing. I finally have Windows installed but unfortunately I need the updated BIOS for real testing it seems. This BIOS is quite old from August and is missing latest MC and fixes to other things. Other brands all have their new BIOS online except Asus! Maybe it shows up tomorrow. Windows 11 F'd me and I had to reinstall again. I was having issues with my 4090 posting code 10 and then after driver install, would not boot into Windows without crashing the entire system. Could not safe mode to fix or anything. Would continue to crash. Unreal. A clean install fixed it though thankfully. The new GPU lock no longer has a button. You can simply lift the CPU/rock it and it unlocks, it's wild.