Mr. Fox

If it improves benchmark scores I will use it. If it does not I will not. Don't give a hoot about the "security update" nonsense.

The difference between peace of mind and piece of mind is the latter always comes free. 🤣

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One thing we know about Frankie-boy. Whatever he is selling, it is the best. Even when it ain't. 'cause that's how Frankie rolls. But, that's not unique... lots of his peers in the industry do the same. And, their followers accept what they are told, and that's how the sheeple roll. Friendly reminder: Frank... Thou shalt not bear false witness.

Chris Titus has his new tool available now. https://christitus.com/windows-tool/ (although the old one still works, this is the newer debloat tool option).

Also use the Chris Titus Windows debloat script and run that, remove Cortana, OneDrive and any of the other worthless trash that you can live without. All of that worthless rubbish steals CPU clock cycles and makes your computer run slower. https://christitus.com/debloat-windows-10-2020/ Hey, Chris Titus has his new tool available now. Use this link instead of the one above if you want the newer tool https://christitus.com/windows-tool/ (although the old one still works, this is the newer option).

It looks like the Accelero might be discontinued now, which would make your comment about sourcing one make more sense to me now. I could see how that would give it a collector's item status. It is strange that I have never heard of it before. It would be sad to think a truly excellent product had a short life span if it was simply because Arctic didn't put enough effort into marketing. I know that people who like CPU air cooling really dig the huge tower air coolers and this equivalent monster for their GPU would be something a lot of them would be really excited about if they knew it existed. It looks like the guy that did that video might be a relatively new channel. His oldest video is less that a year old and he has only 225 subscribers. Seems like a nice fellow. I found he had this installation video as well.

Have you seen this? Looks pretty impressive for an air cooler as well. Very similar idea. https://www.newegg.com/black-raijintek-0r100022/p/2T3-0007-00004 Also stumbled onto this... interesting. (Edit: appears this is a concept, but not a real product yet.)

Could be. I have never seen him before. It is crazy that his GPU memory is hitting 100°C with that massive back plate. Edit: I searched for other YouTube videos on the Accelero Xtreme IV and there are not very many. If it works Xtremely well, it is unfortunate that Arctic didn't send out review units so that more people would have the opportunity to know about it.

I had never heard of it before. I found this video. If this is an improvement over stock thermals, that certainly is scary. Seems like liquid cooling is the only solution that makes good sense for a GPU that runs that hot.

It would make sense if they presented it as an "overclock" or "Super" (I don't like NVIDIA's choice of words here, but it's in the right train of thought) rather than a new/different product. Pretending that it is something new seems more deceptive. Nobody is going to complain about paying more for a "superclocked" GPU, and they already expect to pay more for that. We gladly pay more for binned CPUs and RAM that have been tested and validated to run stable at higher clock speeds. Same thing here.

No, I have not. Since the Green Goblin moved to DCH drivers and no longer support traditional drivers I am no longer testing new drivers. I hate the DCH feces and will avoid using them for as long as I can. I don't spend a lot of time gaming, so it is rare that I have to care about Nazi game developers buildiing crappy titles that force you to use a newer driver to play the game. I am fine with "suggestions" but using force is just messed up.

While all of the issues relating to inflation and governmental mismanagement are real and causing tremendous harm to all of us due to incompetent leadership, that has nothing to do with a "new release" of basically the same product with a higher price tag. The issue is not the price, but the "new" product that isn't new, offers nothing compelling, and doesn't legitimately qualify as an upgrade anyone should want.

This will also be helpful. Apply the "Extreme" profile and manually add bloat Services to the list as you deem appropriate. The defaults for the Extreme profile will improve performance without any tweaking. https://www.sordum.org/8637/easy-service-optimizer-v1-2/ Also use the Chris Titus Windows debloat script and run that, remove Cortana, OneDrive and any of the other worthless trash that you can live without. All of that worthless rubbish steals CPU clock cycles and makes your computer run slower. https://christitus.com/debloat-windows-10-2020/ I highlighted what I run. I disable updates, but you might prefer to allow security updates only. (That doesn't matter much to me.)

Shut down all of the programs that are open and kill all of the unneeded Windoze bloat Services, set Cinebench.exe to run in realtime priority and your best yet score will be even higher. All of the junk that is running slows things down measurably.

I never expected anything worth having to be cheap. I didn't expect everything to be overpriced garbage though. Expensive stuff that is good is good. We expect to pay more for good stuff, because it's better. I just don't expect to pay a lot for trash. I don't like trash even when it's free, LOL. (Crippled is one definition of trash, but the list of what belongs in that bucket is massive.) And, I don't expect to pay excessive prices for everything regardless of whether or not it's any good. The good stuff is excessively overpriced and severely out of scope with what you receive in exchange for your money, and a lot of the "high end" stuff is crippled now. I farted around with the Supercool direct die block for a few hours today and decided it's more trouble than it is worth. I am pretty sure if I spend enough time getting the cold plate to fit right it would work great, like the one does on my 10900K, but I got tired of sucking the water out of it with a vacuum cleaner. After the third time I was like, "Fox, what the hell are you doing? And, why?" I can put up with inconvenient design when it works well and produces pleasing results, but I'm not seeing that. It should have just worked right out of the box. The temps were not horrible, but they should have been better than with an IHS and they were not. Not good enough to justify the hassle, that's for sure. I did not try sanding down the CPU side of the cold plate because the tabs or "wings" on the sides where the ILM presses down are already extremely thin and if I remove some of the material they might end up being too thin and bending under pressure. Plus, when you buy something special, you expect it to work right. I am losing interest in modding things other people have made that are supposed to be awesome (which is why you buy it in the first place) in order to get the results the product was expected to produce when it was purchased. (See my last post above about "trash" LOL.) I think I am going to order one of those ILM replacements and call it good since I am not benching much any more. If someone comes up with a bare die frame for 12th Gen that allows me to use a normal water block, I'll grab one if and when that happens. I lapped the stock IHS and put it back together with KPX on the top side and I'm done for now. Considering it's not liquid metal on both sides of the IHS, the temps are actually very good. As usual (for me) the stock IHS works better than the aftermarket copper IHS on a desktop. The aftermarket IHSes have only been better than stock for me on a laptop. Yup, and now more than ever, Macro$lop is going full Hitler on things. They already have WAY TOO MUCH control on what people can do with their "rented" computer tech and it's only going to get worse going forward.

I think I am going to probably be joining them. The hardware manufacturers and Redmond Retards have effed things up enough that it's not as fun as it used to be, and I'm getting sick of having to deal with their dumbass bullcrap. That's on top of the fact that their trash is overpriced to the point that it offers no value.

Hey kids! Here's our bestest GPU in the whole wide world. Buy this one. But, please please hurry. Prices might not stay this high forever and we need stupid people to act quickly. ...after a little while... Ha ha, faked you out. Guess what, kids?! It's not really our bestestest GPU. It's this one. It has the cooling and clock speeds that you deserved before when you let us screw you the first time, but you didn't get it because we needed you to come back and let us milk you for more. But, that's OK. It's cheaper now. But, hurry. Prices might not stay this lower forever and we need stupid people that opened their wallet last time to do it again before the smart people discover it's the same product made the right way on the second time around.

LOL... I just watched a video where Roman basically said the same thing. AMD is pulling an NVIDIA.

Maybe next weekend I will take it apart again and lap the bottom of the cold plate to increase pressure on the die. The recessed area on the CPU side of the cold plate is probably deeper than it should be.

I suspect it is either a contact issue or something with the fins on the water side of the cold plate isn't good enough. That is what I meant by "didn't have enough effort in the design" in my previous post. I showed this in the video. I might need to lap the die side of the cold plate to increase the contact pressure. I did not have adequate coverage, but you can see where the edge of the die contacted the bare cold plate. Had the fit been well it would have squished the liquid metal across the area that is bare metal. It is also only in the lower left corner in the photo. It should have been visible the full length of the die. Adding more liquid metal helped, but there are a couple of cores getting a lot hotter than the rest with the bare die block. Core temps were very even and close to the same on all cores/threads with the copper IHS.

Follow up after further investigation... It was user error at first, but overall really no improvement. That is very puzzling, but maybe the cold plate didn't have enough effort in the design. It's OK, but so far kind of a disappointment. Not sure if I am going to keep it or not. Will play with it some more before I decide. Still kind of shocking that the temps are not better since so much less material is present between the water and the die.

Well, I installed the Supercool direct die block and my temps are a little bit higher than they were with the copper IHS. The installation was pretty straightforward. The CPU was already delidded, so there wasn't much effort involved. To rule out the possibility of user error on my part, I am going to remove it and check to confirm the liquid metal application was adequate and test once more before I decide if I should go back to using an IHS. This would be the first time ever in my experience that direct die cooling did not result in an impressive improvement. I am impressed with the Supercool 10th Gen direct die block, so I am hoping this is a result of user error and not a flaw in 12th Gen product design. Edit: I had previously done the ILM washer mod so I will also remove them to rule out the possibility that is a factor.

Hey look. MSI released something as tacky-looking, proprietary and stupid as an Alienware, LOL. This isn't a current product, but it might as well be. It certainly fits the current trend in a PC space targeted for children and stupid adults.

I think justice often works itself out in time. Getting money for nothing doesn't really deserve to end well for anyone. Wealth needs to be earned. Even when it is inherited, somebody earned it in the beginning and it is appropriately acquired. Crypto isn't earned and it is intangible. There is no basis to complain about it losing value because it is imaginary money. There is a real basis to complain and be fearful about savings set aside from money earned and years of labor sustaining devastating losses. It is sobering to think some of that might be caused deliberately. It's laughable to think that crypto losses would be given a second thought or carry any weight in that same context. Stupidity and evil are becoming the new definitions for normalcy.