Mr. Fox

LOL... the label on that box to avoid VAT and duties. Prison anyone? 😄 Not sure if that is a felony in the countries that have those Nazi tax schemes or not.

Not that the reviews are totally reliable, but probably no less reliable than YouTube reviewers. Those who purchased it and used it on smaller CPUs seem to be very satisfied with it and some even said it worked better than an AIO cooler it replaced. It doesn't matter that much to me since I have no interest in air cooling whatsoever, but I thought the concept was quite interesting, and it seemed like something that could be more effective than the typical tower air cooler.

Too bad it is not engineered correctly. It could have been a good option for the people that like air cooling, have a lot of available space in their case and short memory modules. I have not watched the video yet. Did Roman figure out why it does not work correctly for Intel CPUs? That seems like a strange condition. (I will watch the video later to see what he revealed.)

Brother @Reciever I know you like using air cooling. Are you familiar with the IceGiant ProSiphon Elite CPU cooler? I stumbled onto that product by accident the other day and it seemed like an interesting concept that would likely work better than most other air cooling options, and maybe even better than some common AIO water cooling units.

I am really leaning toward purchasing products at the threshold of their EOL cycle, too. Everything is overpriced and offers poor value based on price until it is on the verge of becoming obsolete and priced for clearance of stock. It's no secret that EVGA is my favorite brand, and I have never been as pleased with competing motherboards as I have been with their Dark series. To put it bluntly, they have no match. I used to prefer ASUS firmware, but after owning multiple Dark motherboards I no longer think so. The EVGA UEFI interface makes a lot more sense and eliminates menu items for settings that I view as unimportant. A lot of what I disable or enable in the BIOS is set that way by default by EVGA. The Classified seems like an excellent motherboard, but I am also reluctant to consider it due to the 4-DIMM design. Even when you are only using two sticks of memory, the additional slots and longer traces diminish overclocking headroom and impair stability compared to a 2-DIMM design.

I am definitely going to keep an eye open for EK to release that. I already have that water block (with the normal cold plate) on the 12900K in Banshee and it is excellent. I had read where they were working on a bare die kit, but had not seen any photos of it. Now I am more excited about it.

Yes, it is extremely discouraging that there is so much variance, and the fact that even some Kingpin cards have garbage bin quality is demoralizing and feels like a scam. It applies to both GPU core and VRAM. You can get a GPU that the core sucks and the memory rocks (like mine) or a great core and sucky memory, both excellent or both garbage. It is terribly discouraging and one of the reasons you almost never see me running benchmarks anymore. Knowledge and skill don't matter when you get shitty products in the GPU lottery. Brother @johnksss got blessed with a golden KPE sample to the extent that the tragic mishap actually ended up being a random stroke of good fortune. It used to be that you could simply give a GPU with lower ASIC more voltage and it would overclock the same as a GPU with much better ASIC. As long as you could keep it cool enough with the higher voltage, the ASIC really did not matter that much and you couldn't really find a difference in the max overclock ceiling until you exhausted the available voltage and passed through the veil into extreme sub-zero sanctuary. That was true to the extent that I didn't really care what the ASIC was because GPUs overclocked in the same way that CPUs do... just give it whatever extra voltage it needed and everything was fine. Then the Green Goblin developed their dark witchcraft and depraved fetish for sodomizing customers in more brutal ways by introducing firmware that no longer allows the silicon lottery losers to level the playing field with more voltage. They began stacking the cards with Falcon security and hulk-signed firmware with the introduction of Maxwell. The rules have been broken and the game rigged with loaded dice. Winning today is a matter of predestination and generally reserved for those appointed to divine favor. Once you draw a short straw in the modern-day lottery you are sentenced to a cursed existence and permanently doomed to failure due to their AIDS-infected firmware cancer algorithms. No amount of lubricant will be enough to avoid a hemorrhaging and fissured posterior orifice thanks to their virus firmware deployment. But, it is important to note that they don't charge any less for their rubbish silicon samples. You enjoy the privilege of paying the same price for their garbage.

In that case you may want to consider one of the bare die frames that I am selling. These are listed here for $35 + $5 shipping. They are listed on eBay for $55. FS: RockitCool Bare Die Frames - Intel 10th Gen and Intel 11th Gen Running bare die will facilitate better temperatures and higher overclocks. Sometimes you have to fuss with the mounting to get the water block to sit level on the die, but once you get that situated there is no more effective way to lower CPU temperatures on ambient water. Short of more expensive artificial cooling like chilled water, extreme measures like LN2 or DICE there is not a more effective cooling mod. As soon as I can find a reliable way to go bare die on 12th Gen I will do so without hesitation. It was a bummer that the Supercool Computer 12th Gen bare die block performed poorly. I think it was rushed using past logic and could have been excellent had enough effort been given to the jet plate design. There were not enough fins in the stack. They were too thick and had too much space between them. I really dislike having an IHS. It is an impediment that serves no useful purpose that I can identify.

Yes, the X170 motherboard is definitely a limiting factor. And, so is temperature. I have run benchmarks with the CPU at 5.6GHz all core on chilled water.

Some of the anti-AMD vs anti-Intel comments relating to this article are very funny. Fanboys will be fanboys, LOL. I suspect many of them are just repeating what their friends told them, who are also repeating what their friends friends told them. https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-3d-v-cache-cpu-runs-cooler-after-being-delidded/ I don't have an issue with people that don't care about overclocking. Some people still believe there is something immoral or inherently "dangerous" or "evil" about it and refuse to do it because of their strange misunderstanding about things. Even some so-called computer experts still think that way. Some don't care as long as the game plays well enough because they are gamers, not overclocking enthusiasts. That's all that matters for them and I am totally OK with that. I do have a problem with the product and the maker of it though. Taking a CPU with special performance-enhancing features and cutting off its man parts to eliminate the ability to overclock it is unacceptable. I question the motives and integrity of a company that intentionally plays to the interests of gamers by selling them something crippled just because they can get away with it. I do realize the people that buy it don't care, or they haven't researched things enough to know that they might care later when they discover that issue, but that doesn't change my animosity toward that behavior by the company that produced it. That's the same kind of Nazi crap most folks have grown numb to and are willing to tolerate with castrated turdbooks. "A little bit of leaven..." It clears a path to an expansion of the nonsense like the tragedy that has occurred with laptops. Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink.

I think it would work fine for CPU retention using the same screws as the ILM, except for the fact you would have to do something with the air gap between the die and heat sink cold plate that would occur with the IHS removed. You can't pull it down to the die because of the part of the cold plate than needs to make contact with the VRM components. If you to fill that gap with a small vapor chamber soldered to the part of the cold plate that normally contacts the IHS, that might work. It would definitely be an exploratory and experimental project due to the geometric complications with the design of the stock heat sink.

I am puzzled that anyone would deliberately build a new system with that castrated "gamer" CPU. The brain-numbing effect of compromise that a market flooded with emasculated BGA notebook filth for 6 to 8 years has really taken its toll on common sense. There has always been an elevated level of cognitive deficit among the sheeple, but the herd appears to have been overwhelmed by a pandemic of stupidity.

Very good message on this one. Not really political as much as simply pointing out how things should be and normally would be when a political agenda isn't being a destructive distraction. In that aspect it is more like a celebration of normalcy and actually anti-political.

Love the "case" but the price makes ludicrous seem like an understatement. The price is so beyond sinfully retarded that I find it impossible to find anything nice to say other than I love how it looks. Lots of vulgar expletives come to mind though. Nice thermal enhancement for sure. Most likely. If it is a recent release and/or a fully updated version of Windoze then performance is going to be extremely erratic and stunted. There is so much random trash wasting CPU clock cycles that it is a small wonder it is even bootable because the system is drowning in its own vomit. The difference in performance between my unmolested version of LTSC 2019 and my crash dummy OS makes it seem like a different computer when I boot the OS filled with autonomously transmitted STDs. Using ESO to tranquilize the virus payload helps, but it doesn't result in a cure.

Have you seen this way of managing update filth? Looks like it gives a lot of control over what occurs, and I am old enough that I still like using a command line interface. I tested it today on my crash dummy OS that allows update filth and it is preferred over the Winduws Update GUI. It will give you a list of available updates and let you choose which ones you wish to install. https://pureinfotech.com/install-windows-10-update-powershell/

Keep us posted on how that goes and we'll keep you in our prayers for the best outcome. It's very exciting to hear that "career upgrade" is on your horizon. Congratulations to you and your wife. What a huge blessing to have your second on the way, and also that your wife will be able to bless your kids with a strong foundation as a stay-at-home mom. That job is a harder and more taxing position than any job I've ever had, and also more important than any position I have held, but the benefits last for a lifetime.

It didn't take me very long after I went back to desktops until I didn't really want to have anything to do with laptops anymore. And, that was before the only option available was a BGA turdbook. At that time you could still buy something at least partially respectable. I literally had to ask myself why I put up with mobile trash for as long as I did. And, now I no longer do and I find them all repulsive. You're showing symptoms now. It is a glorious disease, and you will not want to be cured.

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If they could get the features and drivers to work right consistently and manufacture GPUs with long life spans they might actually have a winner one day. They seem to do a good job of producing half baked solutions that get them close to the finish line but not across it. After having nothing but a stack of bad experiences with their products for more than a decade I'm not sure what it's going to take for me to ever think they deserve another chance to empty my wallet. That sure as hell didn't work out for me when I tried to bury the hatchet earlier this year. That sucked more than words can say.

They don't care about gamers or miners. They care about money. They're going to pretend to love whatever market gives them the most of it. The moment their darling stops putting out like a slot machine they become the next red-headed stepchild.

Chances are high that the hardware is OK and the problems revolve around a firmware dumpster fire covered in feces. The best hardware in the world is as worthless as the tits on a boar if the firmware is junk. You are not going to win any races in a Top Fuel dragster with a malfunctioning transmission no matter how much horsepower it has.

I said to ignore part 1. Maybe you should go watch part 1. Luumi does not demonstrate it as GamersNexus did, but he talks about that process sometimes damaging the modules. It might be more fun to do it that way though. The way I have always done it works and causes no damage to the memory but it ruins the original adhesives and pads in the process. If you need to sell or RMA the memory and any point that part is less than ideal because it makes putting them back together more difficult and costs something more than zero.

Setting the water block on top with no thermal pad (direct metal-to-metal contact) dropped the temps yet another 3°~4°C instantly.

Wow, that worked flawlessly. I put my memory sticks in laquer thinner standing on the connector edge in a shallow plastic container so that the specification label (the one that has "warranty void if removed" on it, LOL) was not submerged or damaged by the solvent. I made the thinner deep enough to reach all of the the adhesives though not deep enough to reach that label. Within about 5 minutes I was able to easily separate the heat sink from the modules. I did it gently so that the original adhesive remained on the heat sinks and slowly peeled away from the PCB. After letting them dry, I put waxed paper on the adhesives and pads so that if I ever need to RMA the modules I can reinstall the stock heat sinks and there will be no visible evidence of removal or modification. All of the factory adhesives and thermal pads are exactly where they belong on the heat sinks. Now I have the water cooling jackets back on them again and they are much, much cooler, even without the water block. Temps dropped from ~51°C to ~42°C in the TM5 1usmus_v3 test. This is enough improvement to mean the difference between zero errors and failing the stress test and instability due to high memory temps running identical memory overclock settings.