Mr. Fox

Wow, that is a really nasty can of worms. Would have been much better for them to delay launch rather than releasing a defective product deliberately. Smells like an Azor move. Skunks don't change their stripes.

Let's see what kind of response this gets... I'm suspect someone(s) with a famous user name(s) might get butt hurt about having to play by the same rules as us pions. https://community.hwbot.org/topic/221655-mandatory-systeminfo-555-update-and-new-benchmark-rules-for-rtx40-series/#comment-632711 Now this is interesting... https://forums.evga.com/My-Arduinobased-RAM-SPD-readerwriter-free-and-open-source-m3053544-p6.aspx

Yeah, 100%... "they'll come behind you guys and lock it down" 😞 Totally butt-headed Gestapo crap. A lot, maybe most, of everything that is good and awesome about overclocking is attributable to EVGA. NVIDIA is probably relieved they are no longer an AIB partner, and their competitors are probably glad they do not have to be held to standards as high as where EVGA set the bar for GPUs. Heaven help us if they stop making motherboards. Do you still have that 2-slot spacer daughterboard? Truly a collector's item and a piece of history if it came from Vince and Tin.

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Historically, AMD has been anti-overclocking and has had a very anti-overclocker policy. By leaving a lot of headroom on the table it makes it easier to deny warranty if they can find any evidence of overclocking or performance modification, and they even go as far as mentioning that using the overclocking software they provide is a basis for warranty denial. If they push things to the edge (like NVIDIA) and the GPU fails, they're automatically on the hook for the warranty. So, they are being rather sly with self-insulation by selling an under-performer with lots of headroom that they know full well some customers are going to tap into. It seems that rules seldom apply to the people making them up. The rules only have to be followed by the people that the rules are designed to victimize.

Probably to increase performance to look better for marketing purposes. Harder to demonstrate value and sell grossly overpriced products when the price difference for the less expensive overpriced products has a smaller performance gap. I think everyone got "talked out" in the HWBOT thread. Decisions were made by the people with the power to make them who made an "executive decision" how to handle it in the way that best served their own interests. Bad decisions made by bad people wrongly gifted with authority seems to be the new normal no matter what the subject matter or the realm of authority.

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Hot off the presses, with Vince talking about EVGA's GPU secrets. Different topic...

Are you using a smartphone? Stupid stuff like that happens to me when I do. Simply edit the post and delete all of the extra space. Yes, it absolutely does. They made a very bad decision and it makes them look bad for making it. Whether it was due to being misinformed, or because they enjoy having deceptive people on staff, is anyone's guess. It is very discouraging. A big reason for it is that the people in control of everything don't care about enthusiasts, don't share our passion for overclocking and don't really understand what makes us tick. The politically-based cliché applies here as well as politics... "elect a clown, expect a circus" and to that I say "not my circus, not my monkey" LOL. The difference is, we don't get to vote on the clowns that are in control of the technology, so we can't blame our friend and neighbors for the messes their stupid decisions caused.

Well, the Team Group Delta 7200 A-die was buggy and got refunded by Amazon, but the G.SKILL 7200 looks like it might be a keeper. I haven't started any intense tuning. Here's a down and dirty that passes memory stability testing. Not bad considering some of the timings are still sloppy (set on Auto in the Z690 Dark BIOS). Not too shabby for a $300 A-die kit. @Raiderman Sharp-looking pickup, bro. My favorite color, too. (And, the least appropriate color for the dusty blast furnace that I live in, LOL.)

I automatically believe the opposite of whatever Azor says.

Just take your time with it. If you're not benching and what you have does what you need it to well enough, save your money and wait for the prices to fall. They probably will. Depending on how long it takes for idiots to max out their credit cards, it might happen sooner or may take a while. I mean who would have thought that I would own a 3060 Ti or that I would entertain the idea of buying an Arc A770? Even I would not have believed it until a year or so ago. When I bought the 3090 KPE and began to reflect on what benefit I got for spending my money (or what little benefit if you look at it that way) it caused me to reflect on things and adjust my perspective. I spent a lot of money and got something that wasn't a whole lot better than ordinary. Based on what I spent, it should have been a golden sample. While it was better than average, it wasn't nearly as special as the price tag would have suggested it should be and less than what I deserved to receive for paying the extra premium. Do I want a 4090? Hell yeah, of course I do. But, it's a really poor value and unless I got extremely lucky with a golden sample that allowed me to be successful at benching against "the chosen ones" that get cherry-picked silicon for free, chances are fairly good I am going to regret having burned a really huge wad of cash on a run of the mill ego-crazed gamerboy's cracker jack trash card. I'm not saying that my foolish side might not eventually rationalize the decision. That could happen. But, the final outcome (speaking of the regret over the money spent) will probably turn out the same. Sounds like your disappointment with things is similar to mine. Sorry to hear that, but it is what it is. I never expected it to be cheap, but when you have to pay far too much money to get something that may turn out to be an overpriced piece of garbage, then have the fun taken out of benching on top of that... what's the point? If it isn't fun any more, then I guess there is no point. Fun was the basis for it in the first place. Exactly. Very similar to my comments to Brother @Raiderman. Don't let the money burn a hole in your pocket. Just wait for the kill. You can shoot when you see the whites of their eyes.

LOL, did I call it or what? Very predictable. I wish I would have been wrong about this, but I always expect the worst when it comes to how companies treat consumers. That's just the sad world we live in now. If what you want is desirable, chances are great that you're going to get screwed and it should be almost taken for granted that you will get hosed on the price. They use "supply and demand" as the excuse to legitimize their thievery, but let's make no mistake about it... just good old fashioned greed and price-gouging with little or no connection to supply and demand. They'll charge as much as stupid people are willing to pay. Prices will go down only when overpriced inventory stops moving.

Out of all of the air-cooled 4090 cards I think it is the nicest looking as well. I'm not buying one because they're just too damned expensive to entertain the idea, but if I were going to I would probably go with that one. The money saved can be put toward a waterblock.

C'mon now... we know you value function over form. You should. I do, too. Form is nice. Function is essential. Balance is nice when you can achieve it. But, those fans are just ridiculous, LOL. I would even go as far to say so ridiculous that function is impaired. The unbearable noise is a functionality limitation. You have to run the fans slower to not have your ears bleed and that reduces their capacity.

If sales are slow that could also drive lower prices as we saw with AM5 CPUs. Oh, is that all? [sarcasm]

What they are doing certainly doesn't come anywhere near the order of magnitude of the WWII atrocities and can't be compared to that, but the approach with the censoring and agenda-driven information (disinformation) control is remarkably similar. This is unacceptable and totally contrary to normal American life, not to mention unconstitutional and illegal. They are basically blocking everything that is true, accurate, normal and mainstream and replacing it with extreme woke, hard left nonsense... wickedness on steroids. They shroud their agenda in a fake presentation of being anti-racism and anti-hate when it is exactly that they are guilty of. Totally ludicrous.

Wow... still down?!? Seems like something more than "service enhancements" because it is taking a crazy long time. Wonder what the deal is? Maybe trying to keep the lid on something they don't want exposed for discussion in their forum? Or, maybe a mishap that wiped everything out? Neither one would be good.

The problem is the censoring, and in particular, the censoring of everything that doesn't fit their extreme left woke socialist agenda. It forces people from the center to move hard left or right, moreso of the latter.

I still haven't forgiven them for back-stabbing 3090 owners with the 3090 Ti. I hope they never release a 4090 Ti and stop the financial shell game. It's not welcomed and merely shows what a sucky greed-driven outfit they are.

If they overclock well (TBD) it could dramatically change things. I have always cared a whole lot more about how well a CPU or GPU overclocks than I care about how it runs stock. If it runs great stock and sucks at overclocking, then I have no interest in owning it. It's boring and I don't do the "everyone gets a trophy for participation" thing. That is also frequently used as a lame excuse that [insert brand name] is giving their customers the best by leaving nothing on the table for overclockers which is baloney. If it were true, it would mean there would be many failures, malfunctions and RMAs as the poor silicon samples can't function properly at stock spec. The Linux support is compelling by itself if you are a Linux user. If they wanted to really open a can of whoop-ass on the Green Goblin they would include Windows 7 support. They would have an instant following and demonstrate they care more about the people that own their products than being an obedient muppet that licks the boots of the Redmond Retards.

I generally view the need to verify misbehavior by the internet Nazis like Twatter, Facepoot, Goober and YouPoop as an unnecessary denial of what is already obvious to those paying attention. Also very hard to verify what they do because it is always so deceptive, secretive and misrepresented. What is more revealing is how deep and wide the scope of their evil plan and devices were and are. I am super glad that Musk is releasing all of the dirty garbage from the former Twatter Gestapo. It certainly puts things in perspective.

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