Mr. Fox

https://hwbot.org/submission/5522789_ | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/6740847 https://hwbot.org/submission/5522800_ | https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/compute/5232934

I do not run air cooling on my desktops. CPU, GPU and RAM are liquid cooled on both of my large desktops and my mini-ITX system has the CPU liquid cooled. I suppose if I got ambitious I could try some on my A770 one of these days. It still has the stock thermal paste.

It's actually easier to take apart my cell phone, LOL. I have replaced the glass back on my OnePlus 8T twice in the past year and it's easier to do that than it is to replace thermal paste on a laptop, which is actually kind of absurd when you think about that. It's glued together and not supposed to be user-serviced, but it still requires less time and effort. And, yeah... having a glass back on a cell phone is about as idiotic as an idea could possibly ever be. Ludicrous. crApple made having brain damage and doing stupid stuff very popular.

Maybe one weekend when I don't have something that needs to be done I will tear apart my Precision 7720 and put some of the PTM 7950 termal paste I have on it. That's why I bought the PTM 7950 to begin with. I just haven't mustered enough desire to be bothered with the hassle. Whenever I need to use it I am always "impressed" by how hot it runs. I should put some on my wife's laptop (Eluktronics Mech 15). That sucker has always been a hot mess. It takes a lot for me to feel motivated to work on either one. The Mech 15 is much easier though. Just a few screws to remove the bottom cover and everything is accessible. But, it's demoralizing working on laptops to me now. The Dell, of course, makes everything much more of a pain in the butt than it needs to be. Everything involves lots of unnecessary screws, cables and foolish rigmarole. Build quality 10/10. Intelligent, user-friendly design 1/10.

The reason IC Diamond and PTM 7950 work so well is they are thick enough to fill all of the gaps and help make up for poor contact. Coincidentally, that is also the reason why liquid metal often does not work well for laptops. The poorer the fit of the heatsink, the more beneficial IC Diamond and PTM 7950 will be. What they lack in thermal conductivity is made up for in enhanced contact. I would not worry about that. Tearing the thermal pad doesn't matter and your installation should work as well as if it looked pretty. Once it melts it will work the same as if looked like a perfect CGI rendering from the start. How it looked before it melted will be irrelevant. Very simple. I got fed up with the crappy control-freak shenanigans and the shift in focus to thin and light dung, long battery life, low power consumption and castrated firmware and poor quality control. Once I dipped my toe back into desktop waters there was no going back again. There was a period of golden years for laptops, where they came within striking distance of an air-cooled desktop performance, but that era came and went. BGA ushered in the era of disposable compromised filth. Now laptops are only a marginal improvement over a cell phone with a keyboard. They might perform better than a cell phone, but they're designed in the same pathetic manner. Using a touchpad is as miserable as a touch screen. The only benefit in my mind is a larger screen and a real keyboard. If you're going to connect an external monitor and keyboard, then you may as well have a decent desktop to connect them to. Use the turdbook when your external monitor and keyboard are not available. Leave it turned off the rest of the time. That's how I roll now... only when necessary. Never because I prefer to. The friendships that were built when laptops were respectable have lasted and I will take them to my grave. But, the original reason those friendships were formed is as dead as a doornail now.

I used to run distilled water with an antimicrobial additive. I cannot identify any benefit to that. Automotive coolant is a superior alternative. It requires no maintenance. I have a laptop that I use once in a great while. I sometimes forget that I have it. I don't hate laptops as much as I do smartphones, but I do find both are pretty miserable products in general. I won't use either one if I have access to my desktops. Neither of them will be replaced until they stop working because upgrading either one is a waste of money. I won't even use my smartphone for text messaging if I am at a computer because I loathe touch input so much. (I use Google Messages on my desktop instead of the phone.) The idea of owning a touch screen laptop makes me feel like punching someone. That looks nice, bro.

Aim to Head always has sensual cover art. They probably get YouTube subscribers for no other reason. Seems to be common with Techno artists in general.

Fans wear out, but 2 years isn't very long.

It works well for laptops with poorly fitting heat sinks. I tried it on a water cooled desktop and it was inferior to most of the popular thermal pastes. I do not think it is great in terms of thermal conductivity, but it is good at filling gaps

The renaming is only necessary for recovery flashback using the button on the rear I/O. You can flash it inside the BIOS with the original file name. I really do not like how ASUS handles their firmware. It is the worst. The dual BIOS is a joke. It is not a real dual BIOS. That is why when you switch BIOS using that button it goes through a reflashing sequence. If it were a proper dual BIOS it would have a switch that disables one chip and enables another and they would function independently of one another. Because of how they did it, it is not brick-proof. And, one BIOS position is not completely agnostic of the other. It is not a very smart way of doing things. The only right way to do it is how EVGA did it, and how it is done on GPUs. You slide the switch and the other one no longer exists. The ME and EC are not shared from common NVRAM. ASUS used to do it that way. I am not sure why they thought it would be better to do it this way now, but it sucks. The way it was on the X299 Dark was the best, having at least one SOP8 chip in a socket so you could swap out spare chips and manual flash them with an SPI programmer was so sweet. I put one of those sockets on a couple of laptops and it worked flawlessly. That is a truly brick-proof system. Solder once and you're forever free to make your own decisions about what firmware to use.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5520984_ Completed all 4 passes with CPU in parallel mode. Parallel mode stresses the memory with all cores simultaneously rather than rotating amongst the cores.

Yeah, I have historically not liked them at all, but the past couple of GPUs were well made (including my A770). I had a Thai Chi (Chai Tea) motherboard several generations back and is was a sucky, flimsy piece of trash. I do not like their warranty policy. You have to first try to go through the place that you bought it from. Sounds like a slow process, especially if the place you bought it from is a bunch of losers. I think (don't hold me to it) that their warranty is only to the original buyer. If you buy one used in warranty, you're not covered. It doesn't follow the part like most other brands do. If they're open to change and improvement, the former EVGA employees might be exactly what they need to go to the next level. Here's hoping they give the dimwits at ASUS a run for their money.

Either they were not thinking, or they were and it was a deliberately nefarious decision.

That is an amazing first PC. What a blessing that so many parts were donated.

I hope that both of you get back to feeling good again. Seaonal allergies are bothering me right now, but compared to what is bothering both of you that is hardly worth mentioning.

Same with both of my systems. It's not actually "Auto" as much as what they decide to set as the default value so that the most horrible CPU silicon will run without lockups and blue screens. It's not "intelligent" at all. They call it "Auto" and what it really means is "ASUS BIOS Default" value. It has to work for 99% which means it's way more than necessary for probably at least half of the systems, maybe even more than necessary for +80% considering some people are content with 6800 or 7200. The lowest common denominator gets accounted for. If I set mine to 1.250V under load the actual IMC VDD is 1.225V. I haven't tested this on the 24GB A-die modules, only the 24GB M-dies. The M-die uses lower voltage all the way around. Totally stable with the TeamGroup Xtreem 8200 bumped to 8400 and 1.435V. CL38-49-49-84 2T tRFC 700 tREFI 131071.

I'm having issues with having so many bios options set to auto. Can be perfectly stable for a while. Then if I power the system off and leave it for a while and then come back to it and turn it back on it's no longer stable and I have to go back to my old manual overclock settings. I've had this problem off and on over the years with vatious systems, which is why I usually set all values manually and use static voltage values. Then my systems behaves the same all the time even if it might be getting a little bit more voltage and drawing more power than what it needs it behaves more reliably. In some respects it is the same, or the opposite, as pushing a system to the edge of stability on the overclock, or pushing the undervolt to the edge of stability. In either circumstance the edge of what works and what does not moves based on temperature, and unless "auto" works 100% of the time, (regardless of environmental changes,) there will be times it does not work.

Thanks for the suggestion. I did that. It seems to run and perform exactly the same except for only the two best cores boosting to the higher clock. Perhaps in a situation where only two cores are used (maybe in a game or something) it would be more stable that way?

I have 15 Thermalright fans in my systems. They work well and are priced the way all 120MM should be priced. The only thing that would make me like those fans more is if the ARGB was just plain white LED. Then I could just plug in the power and enjoy the white color that I prefer. I refuse to spend a lot of money on fans. To me they are just not worth paying a lot for. All of my systems have so many fans in them that it would cost way too much. Including the MO-RA 360, my system with the white Apex has 27 fans, LOL. I actually loaded one of those AIOs in my shopping cart because it was so inexpensive. Then I stopped and asked myself what I was doing and why I would buy something I have no use for just because it was priced so nicely. Just for giggles, last night I started goofing around to see how high I could coax Cinebench R23 by using as minimal overclock as possible. With BIOS defaults it is over 42K. By increasing the all P-core clock 100Mhz and all E-core clock by 300Hz and disabling cache downclock it is almost 44K. Load voltage is like 1.217V. Most of the BIOS settings are optimized defaults. I set the Adaptive Voltage value stated on the VF curve page with adaptive voltage as the Additional Turbo Voltage value, positive offset and offset amount left on Auto. Memory is XMP Tweaked, Mode 2. But, nothing has been tuned otherwise. Idle voltage is high, but load voltage and temperatures, and power draw, are all lower. Interesting.

Sounds exactly like an ASUS move. Let Intel pay for the CPUs their motherboards kill. At least it was nice for a while. Now EVGA have joined the asshat club that all of the technology leaders hold a charter membership to. I agree. I want only bad things to happen to crApple and Micro$lop. They both suck real bad and deserve bad things to happen to them. Their products are crap and their approach to business is even crappier.

Yup. Exactly. What I said a minute ago.

Intel is the only option. I don't like saying never, but I cannot imagine any scenario that I would consider purchasing another AMD product again. I've never been satisifed with anything I have owned that they made and I don't like the company in general. I've given them plenty of opportunities to change my mind and that has never happened. It would be foolish for me to think that they ever could at this point. I have friends and family that like their AMD products and I am happy they do. I'm not really open to the prospect of dealing with the disappointment all over again. What we are seeing with the crappy 14th Gen silicon samples is a symptom of the world we live in. Everything sucks now no matter what name is on the label. Crappy is the new normal for almost everything, including lots of people.

I've tried using them and they are not good. Neither are the graphite pads. You can expect your CPU load temps to increase substantially using that. They're not even as good as using a sheet of 0.1mm indium, which isn't very good. Better off using paste or liquid metal. Those fittings are nice, but they will not fit well on every system. It depends on how your lines are route. With both fittings being the same height you might encounter contact interference. If I have both lines attached on the same side of the GPU, I have to use a spacer on the inlet port to avoid having the compression fittings and tubing routed the way I want the because the outlet port gets in the way of the inlet. If you have the CPU block and GPU block mounted in series and the lines are oriented at 90° angles to one another the lines would collide, but then the elbow is pointed toward your motherboard. Indeed, they certainly could have. Although, they might end up having too few samples that anyone would be willing to buy as things are looking now with how few good 14900KS samples exist. If I had to take a wild guess based on anecdotal bits and pieces, my guess would be that maybe 1 out of 20 would be good enough silicon not to RMA. I'm not sure why that is. Maybe their binning process is flawed and they pulled the wrong samples for KS branding. That's the main reason I sold my Z690 Dark. The product itself was amazing, like everything else always was... and with unrivaled support and warranty service. But I could see the writing on the wall. When they stopped making GPUs they were doomed for destruction. If you aren't making money, you can't afford to provide good product support and you can't do world-leading product development. You can only provide service if you can afford to pay the employees that provide it.

Looks like Dufus drew the same conclusions most of us have. The 14900KS is merely a scummy scam cash grab designed to trick overclockers into wasting money on an "upgrade" to what will ultimately prove to be an inferior product more often than it proves to be a micro-upgrade. If you are extra-lucky you might get something better, but probably will go the other direction.