Mr. Fox

I agree with you. MSI is going to be the new substitute for EVGA I think. I've never owned an MSI product that I can remember thinking was a piece of garbage. I hope Vince ends up going to work for them and they release Kingpin branded enthusiast components.

Another masterpiece from Brother Tom. I think everything he says is freakishly accurate. I wish it wasn't true, but our world is run by tiny minority composed of evil, insane, psychopaths that are supported by a brainwashing machine. Hopefully, there will be enough people with the capacity to use the gray matter between their ears to not allow it to continue, but my level of optimism is low. Too many mild-manner zombie sheeple willing to go with the flow and too worried about offending the evil psychopaths intent on destroying them.

I did not. Have you tried them? I saw they update the Intel ME again with no path back like you would have if they ran a good ship like EVGA used to. If you have, was the result good or not? I have no interest in being a crash test dummy for the retards at ASUS and I don't give a rat's butt about security updates. If it doesn't improve performance and enhance overclocking (they always say that even when it does not to trick the sheeple) then I don't want/need it.

I think he is just crazy busy with work and life right now. I wished him a happy birthday a couple of months ago via SMS and he replied right away. That is exactly the same process I used, but not with LLC4 and Auto voltage settings. It worked OK other than the power draw going higher (crazy high) than I have ever seen it. I just installed the 14900K from @Talon and will try again with LLC4 and Auto voltage and see if it changes the behavior. Edit: @tps3443that does not work at all. Maybe it's your golden sample CPU, and I will test again when the one I ordered from Germany arrives, but this CPU will not run Cinebench R23 with those settings. WAY TOO MUCH vdroop and blue screens with the clock watchdog timeout. I'll have to use the tried and true manual voltage settings and 0.01 AC/DC LLC settings I have used for years that I know will work the way I want them to.

Automotive antifreeze 50/50 premix. That's what I have been using for years. @johnksssuses it as well. Don't waste money on PC coolant. Either use this or pure distilled water with a biocide. I buy the cheap blue colored premix for Asian cars from Walmart. In the loop it looks clear. Automotive antifreeze has lubricants, prevents corrosion, is safe for tubing and acrylic parts, and it kills anything that thinks it might want to live it in so no need for biocide additives.

Yes, probably so. I downloaded it and if I still have it I will compare to see if it is the same or different. This is the primary reason I bought a second 4090. I did not need one, and I still plan to investigate Battlemage. I suspected this will happen and prices of 4090 will not go down. If 5090 is difficult to source, the 4090 prices might even go higher. Honestly, I don't think things will ever return to normal again. There are simply many idiots and dishonest scumbags have the ability to make decisions affecting those who are not idiot scumbags. Even if all of them died (we could only wish) tomorrow, it would be a challege to undo everything they have screwed up. It was delivered about a half hour ago, so I will install it this evening when I am done with work.

If I did not delete it I will send you my XOC vBIOS stuff for the 780 Classy. If I still have it I will send you a link from Google Drive as I have in the past.

I had one exactly like that for a while. Very good GPU. New is poo... old is gold. At least in terms of form and function. Sometimes newer and faster just isn't enough to be viewed as good. The one thing we can always count on with new products is they are always newer.

The "fine" should be revocation of any business license or authority to conduct business in the country levying the infraction. Otherwise, some will pay the fine and keep doing it. Best to extinguish their ability to conduct business. Dead men don't tell lies, or commit crimes.

There is no such thing as security online. To achieve it requires tremendous effort and expense, and deployment of multiple strategies. The only way of not having your data collected is to not register for any accounts for anything so that your IP and MAC addresses are not connected with any known entity. You will still be tracked and monitored, but they won't know who they are tracking and monitoring. NVIDIA (nor anyone else collecting data) do not need you to sign in if they know the IP and MAC addresses of the systems associated with you. Applications "phone home" all of the time without our knowledge or express consent. If one has agreed to "terms of service" they have given consent to have their data collected. It's not looking promising. Still no change in status. Either is hasn't left Chicago or it wasn't scanned upon arrival in Phoenix. No way to know. Hopefully tomorrow. Time will tell.

It is also possible it will still show up today but wasn't scanned upon arrival at the destination facility. I have seen that happen a few times recently as well. What has been happening recently with late USPS Priority Mail packages is they get to one of the post offices between the origin and destination and then don't move for a day or two for some reason. The status doesn't change, then the original delivery date passes and the status changes to "unavailable" and then it shows up, but the stops along the way are not clearly documented and no explanation is offered for the delay. I've also had packages that show delivered and signed for by someone in a totally different city. I ordered an NVMe drive from NewEgg probably a year ago now that everything except the final delivery was normal. It showed delivery and signed for by "Corey at front desk" in Mesa, AZ. I do not live in Mesa. My name is not Corey and I do not have a "front desk" at my residence. NewEgg gave me a refund with no hassles, but my concern is more for the incompetence of the US Postal Service. They used to be one of only a few governmental entities that one could consider reliable and competent, but I don't think so anymore. The best way to screw anything up is to allow a government entity to control it. I have also seen a decline in overall workforce competency across the board. Good help is hard to find and there are more losers that could not do anything right if their lives depended on it than I have ever seen before. Too many just don't care and can't be counted on to do a good job, and I've noticed an uptick in morbid stupidity in the private sector workforce as well. The Z790i Edge motherboard I bought from @electrosoft and the SP117 CPU I purchased (about the same time) were two other recent examples of very late USPS Priority Mail deliveries.

I hate USPS. For the last few months EVERYTHING arrives later than expected. As if that was not bad enough, the local mail carriers are idiots. At least one day a week, sometimes several, I get mail for other people and other people get my mail. They are incompetent.

I started blacklisting and excluding it as bloatware trash quite a few years ago with @j95 driver mods and having it installed did steal CPU clock cycles and lower benchmark scores. ShadowPlay has always been great for game recording. I will let it install and see if my benchmark scores go down like they used to. More processes running in Windows almost always equals lower benchmark scores. I'll find out and if I am wrong I will admit it without hesitation. It is entirely possible I am wrong and things may have improved. (That would be rare based on the current trend in technology, LOL. Not many things are getting better in terms of software and firmware cancer.) And, If I am not wrong, I will mention that as well. Perfect. Glad it was that simple. 🧡

Depending on what you want/like, that kind of sucks. I hate GFE and use NVCleanstall to eliminate it entirely. I don't want that bloatware garbage. I know some people love it, but that will be a huge disappointment to me to have to have the extra garbage installed. It's because your voltage is too low. If your 4080S is like my Gigabyte 4090 the stock vBIOS is the new "low voltage" turd. You need to flash an older vBIOS that is 1.100V max instead of 1.050V max. OMG, I am pretty sure I am going to absolutely despise that. I hope NVCleanstall can help those that do not want it avoid it. I truly loathe the extra trash that NVIDIA and AMD bundle in their drivers and use third-party utilities (Slimmer tool for AMD and NVCleanstall for NVIDIA) to take out their trash.

I was able to increase the all P-core multiplier to 57x now without overheating. So, a 200MHz clock increase without overheating. This would have been over 100°C and a throttled mess without the Loadline Saturation Control option. This is a sweet feature MSI added. Pretty impressive for an ITX mobo and a 360 AIO. I am excited to see what this will do when I get the trashy bin 14900KF out of it and my SP108 13900K or the @Talon 14900K back in it again. @Rage Set This little MSI board having the capacity to run the memory at 8000 fully stable puts all of the idiotic 4-DIMM crazy expensive "enthusiast" motherboard jokes to shame.

That is a good article and it explains how it works in a clear way, unlike "Rambling Bill" LOL. Thanks for the link. I wish ASUS had this feature. I had never heard of it and had not seen the article before. Is this something you remembered reading before, or did you Google search "CPU Loadline Saturation Control" and come across it that way?

@Rage Set I found something interesting that you might want to try on your MPG Z790i Edge. This actually worked very well for me, even with this HORRIBLE 14900KF that I am sending back to Amazon after the 14900K I bought from @Talon arrives tomorrow. This turd CPU cannot run the E-cores above 45x without a BSOD. I found this trick in a Buildzoid video, but to spare you from his rambling and cut to this chase, here is what he showed with his motherboard (exactly the same one). Here is the video if you are a glutton for punishment and have a half hour to spend to harvest a 5-minute nugget. MSI Z790i EDGE WIFI: Load Line Calibration and Vcore regulation Long story short, MSI has a terrible implementation of LLC regulation. There is a workaround that seems totally counter-intuitive if you are used to overclocking with ASUS and EVGA motherboards. Set LLC 8 (maximum vdroop... yes, really), set override voltage, not adaptive, then apply a high Load Line Saturation (I used 75A). I was able to clock the P-cores 100MHz higher with lower load voltage and shaved roughly 12-15°C off of my Cinebench R23 max core temps and scored about 1,000 points higher because it was no longer thermal throttling. This provides better voltage control and he proved it with his oscilloscope. Below are the BIOS settings used on this CPU illustrating what I did, but use the idea conceptually for yours based on what your CPU needs for vcore under full load. As you can see, I set the vcore very high for 56x (much higher than needed)... 1.435V override. Now, go to the DigitALL menu, set CPU and CPU AUX LLC to Mode 8, then enable Load Line Saturation Level and set it to like 75A. This is an amperage negative offset value that reduces the erratic overshoot/undershoot swing in load voltage and slightly reduces power draw (about 50W less for me) and heat. Below is the no-longer-overheating garbage bin 14900KF Cinebench R23 result. It was thermal throttling with the P-cores at 55x before this tweak. In this screenshot the middle number (indicated with green arrows) is the Cinebench R23 load voltage.

I suspect it would have fit issues as well with the Z690 and Z790 Dark because they have the massive VRM heatsink in the same place as the large NVMe heatsink on the Apex/Apex Encore.

In some cases the reviewers are just heiny-kissing shills. Maybe in most cases. Those that dare to call balls and strikes and can't be controlled don't get nearly as many freebies because they can't be bought. Short of saying they are dishonest, it is easier to overlook and forgive defects when you pay nothing. When you use your own money and it turns out to be trash, that changes things... and, you complain about it because it was your money that was wasted.

Why do people do these crazy things?

Looks like the Green Goblin is forcing PCIe 6.0 and the new revision of 12VHPR on all 5000 cards, including the lowest tier junk that is still using 8-pin PCIe power connectors.

Yes, I agree. I run my GPUs at firmware defaults except when benching. I am using the Galax HOF OC Labs 1000W vBIOS for both 4090s. The default core boost clock is like 2850 or so. With the 4090 (and probably 4080, maybe even 4070 Ti) there is no real need to overclock the GPU to have a fantastic gaming experience.

Good. Glad to hear it. I wish they had not included that option for 4090. It's stupid. Had they not included it, HWBOT would not have been able to make it mandatory for 3DMark submissions for 4090 owners. It impairs performance having it enabled.

@tps3443does the 4080S have ECC in NVCP?

If 4080 has it, you will find it in NVIDIA Control Panel. I do not know if it does or not. I am curious to know if it does or doesn't. On 4090 it is disabled by default, but the dumb-dumbs at HWBOT require it to be enabled for 3DMark. (Not older 3DMarks like 3DMark 11 and Vantage, but the newer 3DMark suite of benchmark bloatware.)