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FG aside (yuck), 5090 has some impressive gains in my testing over the 4090 and 5080. Pricing is absolutely terrible, but the performance is there. Down the rest of the stack, you either pay the same or even less for modest gains across the board. It isn't exciting, but it is still net positive across the board. It isn't like Nvidia provided zero up uplift and charged more. We need AMD to do what they're doing to the mid range with the 9070xt to the halo tier. Nvidia literally has zero competition. They didn't have it last time either with the 4090 but the 9070xt lowers the price (when MSRP), ups the RT but is basically performing raster wise overall like a 7900xtx. Demand has many 9070xt's priced like 5070ti's and as much as I like the 9070xt, if pricing is equal, I'm taking the 5070ti. ----- @tps3443 This is some serious levels of dedication to shunting and ad hoc cooling the 5090 FE!! https://www.overclock.net/posts/29462990/

I won't lie. I'm still on the fence with this one, but if other things move first🤣, I'm going to keep it.

5080FE and Z790i Lightning (and a few smaller things) sold on fleabay already..... NH55 listed here and on fleabay.... Have some more items to list up over the next week or so including several other laptops locally and a potential 14700k desktop buildout... The great sell off has commenced... 🤣

Price: $975 + S&H Condition: Good Warranty: None Reason for sale: Upgraded, too many laptops (again) Payment: PayPal, Venmo, Zelle Item location: NJ Shipping: Buyer's choice (Usually FedEx Ground is the cheapest) International shipping: Yes but only to those I know and Zelle, Venmo F&F only Handling time: 3 Days Feedback: https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/feedback_profile/electrosoft Specification: I picked this up a few years ago from @win32asmguy and it has been super fun to play around with and tinker/optimize to get it to run full tilt with a golden 12900k and other best in class components. CPU and GPU both have Kingpin KPx since I was able to get the CPU pairing optimized with retention frame removal and slight modifications to the heatsink. Using Throttlestop to apply a -0.065 cache UV allows it to really stretch its wings and hit a full CB23 run with zero throttling. GPU runs crisp and cool too. Check out the NH55 thread here Specs: Intel i9-12900k desktop Socket 1700 CPU Kingston HyperX 2x16GB DDR4 3200 CL20 Samsung 980 Pro 1TB Nvidia RTX 3070ti Intel AX210 WiFi Windows 11 Pro 230w PSU included System will ship in its original box with original pack ins and all that good stuff. Proof of ownership: Time Stamped pictures

Supply is really catching up with demand. St David's eventually sold out of their 10qty allotment too but took a bit. @jaybee83 : " I'm gonna install and find the magic vBIOS to break through my silicon wall..." Your Suprim: 🤣

Then you're good to go for testing. Might need something like a dirt cheap Arctic Cooling 280mm ($86) or 360mm ($101) to really keep it in check for testing vs the air cooler at 5.5 all core but let 'er rip. I know the 14900KS in the wife's system at 59/45/45 is still a monster on tuned DDR4 4000 CL15. Just hit those test spots and see if you get 99% cap on your 5090 with your current setup at least with much lower CPU overhead/usage first: 5090 @ 99% utill stock 4k Ultra RT high/max: 5090 @ 99% util +300/+3000 OC 4k Ultra RT high/max: If you cap out on those spots, then you know it is your CPU severely dragging you down even moreso in CPU intensive areas. If you can't even hit 99% utilization in those spots at 4k, then you really know it is your CPU holding you back as that Oribos spot is as CPU light as it gets. Yeah, we had 10 in stock this afternoon at ours and now all gone, but they're getting easier to grab especially since the trucks are showing up during the early morning/afternoon. Not much AMD can do. They are charging more now to AIBs, sure, but then the AIBs are just AIB'ing like on Nvidia and pricing up. You also have a lot of tariff (pre, during, post) adjustments in play. With the way the US market is projected to unfurl over the next 3-4 months in reaction to the tariffs, I expect prices to go up. As I said before, you will have AIBs in an odd spot as even if they price back down, tariffs will only allow those prices to go so low as they will not suffer losses. Instead, they will redirect to other markets to sell and the US will either have no stock or small quantities of stock priced accordingly in reaction to the tariff costs. "There are several factors attributed to the constant price increase with AMD's RDNA 4 GPUs, with a significant part being played by the US tariffs, along with the high demand, even after months of launch." This will impact both Nvidia and AMD.... You will know a true wall has been hit when Nvidia prices their Founder Edition cards upwards in response to market conditions. One thing they never did during the 3000/4000 series was ever change their MSRP pricing. If they do with the 5000 series, that will let you know costs and tariffs have finally dug deep enough into their profit margins to cause a price adjustment.

Looks like 5090 pricing really is starting to find that supply/demand price point as 5090s are staying in stock everywhere now much longer including Amazon with the $3400 shipped and sold from Amazon Epic-X ARGB. My local MC has 9 Gigabyte 5090 OC's in stock for $2919. They would have been gone by 10am before. Newegg has a slew of Gigabyte and MSI "minimal" combos in stock (IE, w/ a PSU OR MB only). Pre-builts everywhere. Pricing is basically back to MSRP now which is pretty high. Now comes phase 2, the slow trickle of 5090s because they can't get any cheaper in the US and might get even pricier with the full effects of the tariffs not even being felt yet. AIBs will ship 5090s to other countries where it is cost effective and makes better sense to sell there than here. 5080's on down are priced low enough (relatively speaking even with AIB pricing), that they will continue to flow in along with 9070xt's and that is where we will see the real pricing war if applicable. Yeah, I haven't bid on items in quite some time just outright purchased them so it was new to me. As a seller who just turned their store back on last night to unload some more hardware, it was a pleasant surprise. Nothing worse than leaving things up for bidding then have a winner take forever to pay or request a cancellation or accepting an offer and the buyer then goes awol. I was tempted to keep both, but I have to be realistic with my tech budget constraints. As I slowly start to list stuff on my eBay store, I'll probably put it up for $1500-$1600. I'll also list my NH55 here and eBay and other small stuff. I am going to start monitoring drops again. VPA has picked back up and BB has had two drops now of 5090 FEs. If a 5090 FE drops on BB or VPA, I'll probably pick it up for comparison. I did the same with watching the 4090 FE and snagged one when it dropped many moons later with my 4090 Liquid for comparison. Liquid ran roughshod over it badly, so I returned the 4090 FE but with such a large pricing gap, I can settle for not so great silicon/cooling/D2D OC as long as it doesn't have coil whine. Pricing differentials are in play, so if I snag a 5090FE that has no coil whine for that price, I would sell the Astral or if it happens before early June, just return it. What z690 board and memory is it? I would suspect a decently tuned 12900ks system (5.5 all core, turn off e-cores if needed to achieve) and some halfway tuned DDR4 or DDR5 will outperform your HEDT. Even pure stock it might too. As a baseline, do the Oribos and Hallowfall tests I posted at stock 5090 settings to see where they go with GPU utilization. Oribos might cap out even on HEDT at 4k Ultra max settings across the board RT high. Hallowfall will not but let's see how high it goes. I know with my 9800X3D rig, flying around even had my 9070xt and 5080fe capping out routinely at 99% over Dornogal too. Oribos caps out at 99% ~186fps stock, ~210fps OC'd. Hallowfall would sit at ~92% stock, ~76% OC'd on the 5090 (capped out on everything else including 4090 OC'd). All roads lead to Rome with the PNY doing it while giving you the best overall clocks. In a game of inches it seems, it wins. One inch more is one inch more (insert joke here). Nice work and write up! Did you try for an overall higher OC as you were testing the vBIOS's or did it come down to your card's silicon wall so trying to find the best vBIOS that ran within it to produce the best results?

I returned the 9070xt to BB today. Not gonna lie and say it didn't hurt to let it go, but I can't keep them all. And then there were two.... (5080 FE, Astral 5090) ------------------------------ I like the buyer changes eBay has implemented to avoid non paying bidders. I went to go bid on some motherboards and now you: A> Have to have an attached, verified form of payment (also helps cut down on fraud) B> Authorize eBay to charge that form of payment if you are the winning bidder ------------------------------ Ahhh, ok I saw it. WoW...... I mean it makes sense considering the breadth of the hack on EVGA's forums and how people tier their passwords based on priority. A lot of people get lax with their own personal security when it is just forums and such and share the same Q&D login credentials versus let's say banking and credit card to store front sites.

Context helps..... 🤣

What bios are you running now?

B&H sent me an update on a launch day PNY 5090 I had queued up for $2199.99. Still unavailable, but the price is now $3399.99. This is the official MSRP now on this card as of last week. Sheesh. ----- Yeah, for this run I'm not using CO just a +200 boost and tuned SOC. I haven't gone back in to recheck my offsets since testing out 1203 which is proving to be worse than 1104 (I think I mention it in the video). I did see 1303 just dropped and in the notes it says, "improves system performance," which is sometimes Asus speak for, "our last version regressed." ----- Everyone is hooked on the Gigabyte vroom vroom right now over on the OC forums, but it will be nice to see testing them all on your Suprim what emerges as top dog.

Are you sitting at 100% utilization during the run? Stock, my Gigabut 9070xt Gaming OC is hitting a bit higher...might be the 9800X3D flexing a bit... I know I uploaded that video of it running through the benchmark: Those memory temps are about right out of the box. My memory was hitting 90 peak under load too. Hotspot around 85 again out of the box stock: Yeah, just like the 4090 I'm not going to fret over it. I plug it in, do some OC'ing, benchmarking, play my games and if she blows she blows. GPU Tweak III lets me know as I've switched to its OSD. We both know the odds of it blowing are slim to none. (Tonight on the 5090 in Fallout 76): https://imgur.com/gzuWJmTo show how poor the 9070xt fairs in this game (but still plays nicely), this same encounter area it was clocking in at 62fps..... But when you find those games and titles that let it stretch its legs, it's got some chops. https://imgur.com/gzuWJmT Seriously, MSRP vs MSRP, 9070xt is an absolute stud. There's a reason AMD can't keep them in stock while AIBs pump them out like crazy while you see 5070s and soon enough 5060ti's start to lag in sales. That's also why you suddenly see Nvidia talking about a 16GB 5070..... And yeah, I did like having those 3x 8-pin cables running.... 😞

I just run GPU Tweak III w/ its default OC +300/+3000 no voltage adjustments and that's about it w/ the ugly tentacles and pin monitoring. low fan noise, no coil whine just purring away. It just runs perfectly for me, but as we've seen with MSI, how the hell do you cut corners with the most dangerous part? Like I remind everyone, including myself, "it works perfect!!!" till it doesn't.....

Hey! I didn't make the video! I'm just linking it for educational purposes! 🤣 At least some good news after the dead CPU. Makes me wonder how it would do on a 1DPC board though but everything else looks good! Congrats on the happy buyer too in Italy!

Yeah, this is all the day before D day (1st) which was always my set return day since the bill is due a few days after that. 🤣 I played WoW for 3hrs last night on the 5090 and noticing all the areas even when flying around that cap out on the 5080 FE and 9070xt vs the 5090 always ready for more or running a few tier 11 solo delves and sitting at frame cap (238fps) most of the time and just ultra silky smooth. Ran some raids in my fixed D2D OC profile with GPU Tweak III and just smooth.....even when fps dipped into the 70s still smooth.....The problem with the WoW engine will always be when all that player data hits in certain moments, your 5090 will perform like a 4070 Super or 9070xt. Same with the 5080FE. There's just nothing you can do about it. The engine CPU physics need to be overhauled badly. Tonight is 3hrs of Fallout76 where the 9070xt is just not good just like the 7900xtx was poor too versus Nvidia. Nothing worse than outdoor bosses and the frames just chunking into the 50s and 40s on AMD vs always 100+ on Nvidia. This will be my first serious session with the 5090 tonight versus running around and benchmarking..... Did I mention how absolutely gorgeous and smooth Deus Ex MD looks on the 5090? Final Analysis: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 9070xt is going back either way as it has strengths in other games but WoW and especially Fallout 76 is not it. Decent 1440p and to an extent 4k WoW card but I can't trust it with AMD/Blizzard history of breaking drivers plus the fact it still crashes on the regular in Classic WoW. Final nail in the coffin is the poor FO76 performance overall versus even a 4070 Super let alone the 5080 FE or 5090. I'm still impressed overall with the price:performance at MSRP. For $600 it is an absolute banger albeit I paid $$771 after tax so back it goes. So then it now comes down to the 5080FE vs the 5090. I know I can sell the 5080FE and make $400 on it so mentally it becomes a $1500 card for resale. I can use that to put an almost 50% dent into the 5090. I know for a fact I can ride the 5090 for a few years and then sell it off and make back the bulk of what I paid and maybe a touch more depending on how this market goes. Therein lies the blessing and the curse with Nvidia cards, especially their halo cards the last few cycles and even AMD and their 5700xt and my 1080ti. I sold ALL of them after a year or two at worse for a tiny profit and some with a hefty one. So either I'm walking into BB tomorrow with ONE card to return or BOTH and I would just continue to rock the 5080FE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I know, I know, first world problems to have all three laying around and having to decide which one(s) to keep.... 🤣 Nvidia is purposely holding back raw performance in the lower tiers and trying to push AI solutions as an overall "performance package" and that is BS. When Jensen said a 5070 had the performance of a 4090, that was all you needed to hear how they plan to shape the future of gaming advancements as a major piece of their strategy. The fact they and AIBs are trying to "encourage" reviewers to discuss talking points involving upscaling and frame generation. Even trying to discourage some reviewers from discussing comparing the 5000 series mid and lower tier cards vs the 4000 variants but instead focus on 2-3 generation older cards. In the end, Nvidia needs AMD or Intel to drastically step up their game or like @jaybee83 said, we're going to eventually be stuck with marginal cycle upgrades because there's no competition like we had with Skylake++++ until AMD started to wreck them and forced their hand to move quicker which they couldn't and here we are. We need another 6000 AMD series surprise where Nvidia was legitimately caught off guard with the performance of the 6900xtx and it was basically matching the 3090 up to 1440p and only at 4k did the 3090 manage to gain a very small amount of breathing room. Nvidia's only saving grace was their RT performance. I will say as time and drivers move on, the 5090 is widening its lead over the 5080 and 4090 and in some titles it is pretty substantial. I know I didn't expect the 5090 to be that much faster than the 4090 in WoW. ------------------------- Remember early reports were AIBs weren't making much of a profit because of Nvidia charging so much. You also have to calculate in tariffs as these cards are being made real time versus other companies selling pre-existing stock so the tariffs haven't really "hit" yet but will as levels are depleted and either stock dries up or prices go up (or both). I do know there are now plenty of sane priced combos on Newegg that are languishing since yesterday including some flat out solo cards from Gigabyte and MSI now ready for purchase. What continues to sell out though are Astrals including those $6k combos again.....insane. Speaking of Astrals, nice no holds bar build out with an Astral air and LC unit and comparing performance and temps. Air model performs just as well and better on memory temps overall. To get the same temps (+/- 1c), Rad had to be mounted on the front and used as intake which makes sense. Speaks volumes for the chonker heatsink on this thing.

Most approach computers as a tool to be used like a dishwasher and treat it as such. Fine for a dell office computer. Not so much for a 5-6k rig running top of the line hardware including a 5090. I swapped my Astral 5090 back in with a clean install to compare against the 9070xt for D2D gaming at 4k. The 9070xt lulled me into a false sense of "this is good!" 5090 is obviously superior in every way, but is it $729 vs $3359 superior? Is it $999 5080FE vs $3359 superior? Or is it having the absolute best gaming/benching experience price be damned good? This is my philosophy exactly. I only buy used and I drive it till it falls apart. I am driving a 2016 basic Nissan Rogue that I will drive easily for the next 5-6 years or until something catastrophic happens or not worth fixing. I have no qualms with my friends and family that upgrade their cars every three years though. That is their choice. I'm currently running 576.26 when I gave my system a clean install to put back the Astral 5090 for more testing compared to a clean install Gigabyte 9070xt for realistic D2D use and further cost analysis. I'm leaning towards returning the 5090. Superior in every way and a good bin but the cost whew..... but we'll see tomorrow which card goes back. What's the newest version?

Couldn't have said it any better myself @johnksss. That has been the point I've been trying to get across for sometime now and you summed it up quite nicely.

Yeah, the one thing your card is saying to me is, "please put me in an SFF!" Seriously, it with a 9800X3D in a proper case? Like a top mounted variant that exhausts from the top? Magic SFF build bro.... In all seriousness, If I had your 5090 FE instead of an Astral, I would build out a top exhaust SFF and probably jettison my MSI 18 and use the SFF w/ 9800X3D for travel with my 18" 144hz USB-C powered display. Then you can come at it like B4BG: Push for that max OC inefficiency be damned or UV and let your chips silicon quality shine through.....

I agree when it comes to WoW and especially FO76 where Nvidia rules the roost. 3080 10gb has just been an absolute workhorse beast. It is quickly headed to the 1080ti goated status at its original MSRP. Some games shine better on AMD than Nvidia. WoW loves Nvidia and always has since the major engine overhaul several years ago when they added in RT support. From that point on, the smart play has always been to get Nvidia for WoW. One thing I will give the 9070xt and I can't put my finger on it yet is its smooth, even play at lower fps vs the 5080 or even 5090 in WoW. Spots where I felt like the 5080 chunked a bit the 9070xt just keeps it moving even in raids or outdoor events. In Testing Games comparison of the 9070xt vs anything, its FT graphs are always much smoother than I've ever seen from AMD cards. I played quite a bit of Fallout 76 earlier (found a new testing spot), and even when fps drops to the low 60s on the 9070xt, it was just so smooth. Having logged hundreds of hours on Nvidia cards on both WoW and FO76 for a few years including the 5080 FE and 5090 since January, the consistency and smoothness of the 9070xt really stands out at the same settings at lower frame rates than Nvidia and it is perplexing. ----------------------------------------- Decent video..... Jufus basically saying leave the 5090 FE as is also hitting all the same salient points I made about itx heaven, runs hot not really made/worth blocking...yet I very much want to see it blocked and shunted.... "The best overall 5090 for 90% of people is the 5090 FE" - makes total sense. Sad to see Canada also is paying some insane prices for 5090's too along with low to no stock levels but price conversion wise, USA is just getting raked across the coals right now compared to former countries we routinely had lower prices for years. 😞 And like he said, 600w will have you having SWAS (Sweaty *ss) in a small computer room sooner than later..... 🤣

"Profits above people" extend to all facets of corporate America. The most egregious of them all is the healthcare industry as profitability is grossly incongruent with offering optimal, financially sane care for American citizens.

Running some tests comparing the wife's 3080 10gb Strix vs the 9070xt in WoW. She plays at 1440p, but I tested both at 1440p and 4k. I'm thinking of cancelling the 5070 and giving her the 9070xt instead. Problem is in WoW I think the $549.99 5070 will plant itself much closer to the $729.99 9070xt than the 3080 in WoW. I'm also not sure the uplift is worth the disruption at this point. This is at full Ultra 10 w/ RT at max 1440p: Hallowfall: --------------------------- 3080 - 105fps 9070xt - 142fps -------------------------- Oribos: -------------------------- 3080 - 116fps 9070xt - 150fps -------------------------- 4k: Hallowfall: --------------------------- 3080 - 70fps 9070xt - 93fps --------------------------- Oribos: --------------------------- 3080 - 66fps 9070xt - 101fps 5080FE - 115fps 5090 - 186fps ---------------------------

Too many small limitations on the FE this time around. I know I dig in on ya for fun (light hearted ribbing), but the FE will not be setting the world on fire this iteration. It's strengths lie elsewhere (aesthetics, engineering, compact size, price). You notice the Gigabyte vBIOS coupled with the Astral too. Like @johnksss said and to further I keep pressing is a 5090 FE is still a 5090 and a monster card out of the box that will lay waste to everything out there and blocked and 1 stage shunted you will extract every bit of performance out of it to let it flex as hard as it can but even in a game of inches it will still fall short due to several factors compared to the top dogs. It's not a knock on it at all and I hope you're not taking it personally bro. 🙂 And you are spot on with your rig limitations. It's fun and nostalgic and has its pros and country charm but it just can't keep up with modern hardware from your former 14th gen platform to an AM5 platform. Even a 285k will outpace it to extract as much performance as possible from your 5090. Now you get to think about what you want to move to next. Back to 14th? 285k looks like a lot of fun to tune up. AM5 is a proven winner. Nice score! I see that GB vBIOS. 🙂 I'm afraid, but I'll give it a run later to see if my ear drums explode. 😁

Yeah on all my Astral 5090 screenies and benchmarking results reports, ALL I use is Nvidia's monitoring tools. My last big post with the card comparisons for the 5080 and 5090 was all Nvidia's tools. You gotta figure they know their hardware better than any other external monitoring tool and it works well enough for my needs to a point. Go back and look. I just customized the screen read out because I like it to the left, vertical and in red w/ a larger font but that's Nvidia's statistics reporting utility (Alt+R baby). I use AB when I'm doing fps session grabs to get average framerates via Rivatuner and/or usually overclocking, albeit I used PX1 for that last session for both the Astral and FE. For AMD, if you go back and look at some of the first DXMD pics, you will see AB and Adrenalin on screen at the same time. Using Nvidia's OSD, I'm hitting 2745mhz on the 5080 FE stock and 3030mhz OC'd 99% util in WoW so based on your older posts, that is right in the neighborhood of your stock clocks. Both our FE's have subpar voltage caps at stock. DAMN!!!!! I'm so sorry bro. 😞 I've killed a few chips over the years pushing them too hard. Still hurts to see it happen. They aren't cheap! A proper sorting of the universe would have your replacement 9950X3D having a monster IMC and run ice cold. Next question is, do you plan on delidding this one? Awesome! Congrats @johnksss!! Which block are you going with? Go by your results. You're overthinking a good, solid, average very well priced card. Just enjoy it. I can't imagine stressing this much or coming at it from so many directions to extract water from a rock. I would just focus on the price, aesthetics, potential lack of coil whine and the fact it IS a 5090 and keep it moving.....

Agreed, I am really impressed with it. I haven't felt this good about AMD since the 5700xt which was inferior to the 2080ti but I opted to rock that that for a few years till the 3090 dropped. I'm seriously contemplating that again. I was very pleased to see the video and spreadsheet I was using as a reference was incorrect and the Gaming OC provides the same power and performance as the Elite. I just really like either minimalist blackout build or that uniform lighting "industrial borg" look of the system. When I get crushed to the face with an over abundance of rainbow RGB it hurts. Only reason my keyboard is all lit up like a rainbow is because I refuse to run the Steel Series GG software. I think that was a smart move to sell off a lot of hardware, downsize, clean up and get some clarity financially. My tech fund I built up with the last sell off would be in the negative if I keep the Astral 5090 and MSI Raider 18" along with the Crosshair + 9800X3D combo I picked up. Something has to give. I still do have a nice list of hardware to sell off though I'll get up on Fleabay and the OC forums but with all the hacked accounts over there I'm a bit wary atm. Nice baseline set of data to publicly set in stone before "The Tinkerage" starts. 🙂 Did you block your 4090 Sujprim or run it strictly on air? Do you plan on blocking your 5090?

9070xt installed and clean install of Windows 11 Pro for the next few days as my daily driver. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Day 1 and I'm finding a lot of things I like an don't like. Likes: GPU is stupidly quiet with no coil whine GPU runs crazy cool under load Boosts to 3ghz+ right out of the box. Highest I've seen so far is 3230 While it was rumored to have the weaker 304w vBIOS, it actually has the 340w variant and has pulled up to 371w Minimal lighting and is quieter under load than the 5080 FE and Astral 5090 which were both already very quiet Very stylish looking Dislikes: Terrible issues with flickering with HDR enabled. The 5080 and 5090 have them too but nowhere near like the 9070xt. I just keep HDR off till I want it on for gaming. Same as I did with Nvidia. While lower than many other 9070xt's I've seen, the hot spot in the 80s along with the memory hitting 90+. Yes, I know that's within range, but I prefer my temps lower. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In WoW, it is hitting ~98fps in the new test spot 4k ultra RT max with 99% utilization: This puts it at: 9070xt = 98fps 9070xt OC = TBD 5080 FE = 115fps (~18% faster than 9070xt) 4090 = 125fps (~28% faster than the 9070xt) 5080 FE OC= 126fps (~29% faster than 9070xt) 4090 OC = 135fps (~38% faster than the 9070xt) Astral 5090 = 186fps (~90% faster than the 9070xt) Astral 5090 OC = 210fps (~114% faster than the 9070xt) 5090 OC vs 4090 OC = ~56% faster (whoa!) I'm actually very impressed with the 9070xt on the newest Adrenalin drivers released a few days ago (25.4.1). It has cleaned up a lot of issues in WoW including the stuttering and chunking with RT on. I spent a few hours playing and zero problems. If things stay the same right now, and I was a WoW player and MSRP was in effect, I would pick a 9070xt over a 5080 FE because the price:performance is just better. If price wasn't too much of a consideration, I would then go with the 5080 FE. If price is NO object, the 5090 is just a wrecking ball. The 9070xt is faster in WoW than the 7900xtx and the 5090 just obliterates it in the scariest fashion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @Mr. Fox Deus Ex MD problem fixed. After a lot of trial and error what was happening was playing around with MSAA in the pre-launch menu was for some reason sticking even when disabled for some reason dragging performance down once in the actual game. Here is a video giving the 9070xt a proper run with all the options checked in the video menu before benchmark so you can install 25.4.1 and give it another go and double check my work: And the actual results: ----------------------------------------------------- Lastly is Fallout 76. I happen to find a few spots that push the 9070xt to ~96% util which is good! I have my bud with the 5090 FE actively trying to find the most graphically demanding spots in the game to see how hard we can push the 5090. I plan on joining the hunt when I switch back. Stay tuned....