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Yup, prices are officially rising from the AIBs: https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-and-asus-hike-geforce-rtx-50-series-prices-in-official-stores-now-up-to-3409-for-rtx-5090 Plus with the tariffs in play prices are rising on a lot of items here in the US for other computer items. I noticed even Asus peripherals have gone up in price in the last few days. I'll pocket my $1000, rock my 5080 FE which like my 4090 is being held back in WoW and Fallout 76 (9800X3D results not in yet) and keep it moving unless on a rare snag I get a $2k MSRP card. Anything else is just not worth it paying a almost 200%+ markup for 50% more performance on a card that is being bottlenecked for my two main games anyhow atm. I have several SFF builds in mind I can't wait to slap this into. 100% markup for 50% more performance? Ok, I can maybe swallow that....kinda but that requires an alignment of the stars and that doesn't rule out Nvidia raising the prices on their FE editions to $1100/$2200 or more. I'm not paying $2868 for a 5090 Suprim or $2975 for a Liquid 5090 after tax. That's insane. Absolutely insane. That is literally almost $2k more than I paid for my 5080 FE. Astral 5090 is $3284 after tax. No. Astral 5090 Liquid? $3635 after tax. **** no Just......no. --------------------------- For those of us who also enjoy laptops, I'm loathe to think of the new prices that we'll get. If Asus has already raised the price of the incoming 5090 laptop to $4199.99 BEFORE the tariffs, that is going to be $4500.00 for a 5090 laptop. No idea what MSI will be charging but they're routinely not that far behind. I'm sure the Titan will cost at least one kidney and a weekly quart of blood for a down payment. ----------------------------- It might be time to use common sense and just sit back and enjoy what we have or if you're really hell bent on getting a 5090, just suck it up and pay out the wazoo as soon as possible and hope to recoup a lot of that cost reselling your 4090....if you can score a 5090.

See? And that's why I'm glad you're here and actually bought one. 🙂 All I have to go off of are other people's results. So having owned and played with it for quite some time now, what is your overall comparison versus your tuned 14th gen and 9800X3D? Pick 3-4 games that favor either or and?

I will give the AIBs a pass on this one because of how Nvidia treated them in regards to leaving them in the dark till the last minute and literally giving them ~2wks to actually get the cores and do some semblance of QC testing. But Nvidia? They had ample time to work out the kinks with the 5000 series. They had already pushed it back from its normal launch cycle (~2yrs). They could have easily waited till June or even pushed it back another full year to the fall and launched it properly. If it helps, my 5080 FE is running smooth as silk and zero problems. Just the normal 4090 issues with the 14900KS still bottlenecking it at 4k more often than not where before the 4070 Super was sitting at 99% the vast majority of the time. Raids at Ultra 10 RT on leave the 5080 FE sitting well below 80% almost all the time and sometimes even lower. I am pleasantly surprised at the performance level of the 5080 stock. I haven't even begun to OC it yet. One last round of testing with the 14900KS and 8200 tuned before I slap in the 9800X3D tuned 2200/6400 1:1 for its turn and relegate the 14900KS to the test bench system till it learns its fate. (insert ominous music HERE). I love the comment section. A lot of salty, butt hurt 4090 owners getting testy where it really isn't needed....

I imagine this on loop while you refresh over and over in the darkness of your computer room.....

Potential plan of attack for myself: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sold mine for $2100 and prices are absolutely insane right now hitting 2700+ for the liquid. Picked up a 4070 Super to tide me over w/ 60 day BB return window Snagged a 5080 FE on launch Returned 4070 Super on very last day eligible (Feb 1st) 5080 FE has a return window till April 2nd (like that would happen) Plan on rocking the 5080 FE till an MSRP 5090 potentially drops If I managed to snag a 5090, hopefully sell off of the 5080 FE can cover most of the expense since I blew the last of my Fall sell off budget picking up @win32asmguy's beastly 18" 4090 laptop to travel. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you can stomach going without a GPU, sell it for a bit of profit while the market is ultra dry. Pick up a holdover GPU if needed. You had $$$ set aside for the 5090 anyhow, so use a good chunk of the 4090 sale and address other upgrades and needs or toys. 🙂 I know with the 5080 FE, those 99% utilizations I had all over the place with the 4070 Super are gone again and I'm back into 4090 territory with the 5080 FE being bottlenecked all over the place with the 14900KS, so the next big project is rebuilding out my main rig with the x870e hero + 9800X3D which is finally tuned up as tight as I can get it for my needs then let's see if this 5080 FE keeps laughing. I don't mind being GPU less for a few months or rocking a much lesser GPU. I rocked that 4070 Super for a solid two months and survived. When I sold my 3090 before, I rocked a 3060 for a month or two and survived.

Regression in performance for Ultra 9 285k even tuned a bit for gaming: ---- I was thinking the same thing having just watched Roman's video. So many issues and oddities with the 5090s but with most AIBs having at most a few weeks to actually slap the chips on and test their designs, it makes sense. I would also expect more issues with the 5090 vs 5080 since the 5090 is basically redlining right out of the box. Meanwhile, Nvidia has had the entire lead up time to vet their engineering and design and get it right and it is still having some issues. I'm just not seeing a realistic scenario without dual 12vhpr ports for a true enthusiast 5090. lol, it's true! All you need to do is look around and realize overclockers are an ever shrinking minority in the sea of hardware users. it's evident how companies have taken over with boosting algorithms to properly give every end user access to the bulk of their CPU/GPU's performance naturally. Yeah, too much myopic focus on gaming and benching (present company included). Sometimes we forget all the other advantages and upgrades in the 5000 series especially to content creators and AI along with better display standards for starters never mind all the gaming "enhancements" it received. I think when all is said and done, the 5080 is going to be the overclocking gem of this generation since there are no, real limitations to power out of the box like the 5090 is brushing up against even at stock. My biggest fear is Nvidia analyzed the cross BIOS flashing vulnerabilities and have locked down the 5000 series even tighter. New ranking for desired 5090: #1. Gigabyte Windforce (good cooler, MSRP) #2. Suprim Liquid (Why fix what ain't broke?) #3. Suprim Air (Like a Liquid, but easy to move case to case) #4. Astral (Because if you're being stupid with your money, why not be EXTRA stupid?) #5. 5090 FE (MSRP, but reports of crazy coil whine and weird noises and issues seem to keep increasing)

Brett ranting about people ranting about the 5000 series basically sums up how I feel (timestamped): ----- MSI 5090 Liquid 5090 quiet as always and less coil whine: ----- Insane shortages everywhere. Even the stock trackers are showing zero restocks basically since drop in the US for eTailers for both 5090 and 5080 cards. MC shows some trickles coming in on trucks. People paying $2k for 5080 FE cards on eBay is insane but hey it's their money! Imagine funding a 5090 FE snag with reselling a 5080 FE.... ------ I'm probably one of the few who enjoyed the 5000 series launch video from Microcenter. The guy doing the longest interview talking about how people are overlooking the encoders/decoders upgrade on the 5000 series is valid. For content creators, the 5000 series is a massive step up even the 5080. AI upgrades are pretty substantial seeing in some models too Looking at SO many happy faces getting some beastly upgrades with the 5080 and 5090 is great to see. The guy upgrading from a 1050ti to a 5080 has no idea the insane difference he is about to experience in performance. Times like this, I realize we truly are a small minority in a big sea of joe gamers and Carla Content Creators of the world. ----- 5080 OC up in stock 4090 territory in TS:

Well, mystery solved. It was the memory. Pulled the 2x32GB G.Skill A-die and slapped in the 2x24GB 6400 kit that was a freebie with the 9800X3D bundle and just like that everything is working right as rain in WoW and everywhere else. Those sticks were problematic on the x670e hero and x870e hero. I'm starting to think they are failing (or at least one of them). Here is what it looked like when the 2x32GB sticks were installed:

I enjoyed the hunt actually. It was fun frantically trying to nab one from NE and BB while also getting real time reports from a few buddies camped out in St Davids and Parkville MC to keep me in the loop how that was going (it didn't lol) All of us in our own, little personal hardware forum here too was fun as real time we smashed ourselves against Nvidia's rock... I mean, we all came out with nada but it was fun!

This is the way..... ------------------------------------- 5080 FE has arrived: Even better news, ZERO coil whine. I mean none. I mean I let Fallout run over 1000fps in the menu and zero during Steel Nomad, Timespy or World of Warcraft. Out of the box it is boosting close to 2800 so that bodes well for some overclocking magic. This is **4** GPUs in a row now (3090ti KPE, 4090 Liquid, 4070 Super, 4080 FE) with different motherboards, CPUs, memory, SSDs with basically no coil whine and all have been on my EVGA 1600w P2. Like I said before, my old 3080 Strix has coil whine in the wife's system with the Seasonic 1000w, but when I swapped it into my system after repasting it to retest it, it had none. Bad news is I'm getting some serious artifacting in WoW with my CPU >5.4ghz and Timespy errors out on the last GPU test. I drop it to 5.4 and everything is smooth sailing. Only difference now vs then is this last week I did swap in those 6000 2x32GB dual rank sticks while I tune up the TG sticks with the 9800X3D. I'll swap in the extra set of Corsair 2x16GB sticks to see if that makes a difference, but I got a funny feeling..... ---- Lastly, 4070 Super seems to be the sweet spot for Fallout 76 as I'm getting CPU bottlenecked the same across the most hard hitting spot static spot I can find where I do my testing with 4k everything maxed. The 4070 Super hits ~99% utilization in this spot, but the 5080 FE is hitting ~54%. I know FO76 loves X3D and was a monster on the 7800X3D, so hopefully the 9800X3D (pictured left above, coming down the home stretch for tuning the TG 8200 sticks at 2200/6400) will bring this 5080 to its knees but we will see. Min and 1% is up though with the 5080. For historical comparison to show how much the 14900KS w/ 8200 tuned up to 5.9 improved performance but more importantly the absolutely dominating performance of the 7800X3D in Fallout 76. The 13900KS was doing 5.7 all core and the 8000 sticks weren't tuned on the level of the TG 8200 sticks so even with a 4090, my 5080 had better results but that 7800X3D....WHEW. Oh and lastly, today was literally the last day I could return the 4070 Ventus, so I did. Now it's me and this 5080 FE.....

I think this is a case of the 2000 to 3000 series debacle again where minimal gains were achieved. Even 3000 to 4000 saw nothing really below the 4080 mobile. Seeing as outside of the 5090, nothing is massive in terms of improvements this is about what was to be expected.

I agree 100% (I usually do with what you write @Papusan) I would love to see that, but we both know Nvidia is not going to do that. They definitely targeted putting their boot even harder on AMD's neck and the 7900xtx and preparing to counter the 9070xt without giving too much back to consumers. Nvidia just extended the 4080 Super with newer technologies, GDDR7, a modest bump in performance and a new compact design and kept the price the same. No more; no less. Good or bad, value wise, it is one of their better picks. That just tells you overall their price:performance is not great across the stack so you pick your poison and keep playing their game. But truly this is the ultimate solution:

100% Agreed. I said it before, but for Asus to purposely go out of their way with a BIOS update to no longer allow settings to retain without the need of their software was a dirty move. To proactively enforce the need of their software installed is terrible. Everything should default to OFF or at worst a static white, fixed and saved. I've been watching various videos and read ups on this and here is the problem as I see it. Nowhere did Nvidia promise or imply that various tiers would equate to a certain amount of cores or performance metrics comparatively. I can't find where Nvidia said: 090 (previously 080ti) tier = X cores 080 tier = X-A 070 tier = X-B 060 tier = X-C This looks to be some type of model concocted by users, journalists and influencers noticing a trend to determine what each tier should be not what is reality. I also don't remember Nvidia promising certain tiered performance metrics per generation either. You get what you get and decide if you want to purchase it or not. We complain a lot, but yet we keep lining up and buying Nvidia. The one device that speaks the loudest to Nvidia, our wallets, routinely open right up and spew forth cash to get their products. Present company included. I'm not defending Nvidia as their objective has been and always will be to give you less for more while nudging the overall performance forward. They spoiled us with the jump from the 2080 to the 3080 at such a good price. They spoiled us again with the jump from the 3080 to the 4080 performance wise but snatched that right back by raising the price by $500 where consumers actually fought back with their wallets and they course corrected. I shudder to imagine how they would be if AMD didn't exist. I used to think the same with Intel and AMD too. So what do you want? Another jump in performance but costing $1500 for the 5080 using the 3080 to 4080 jump? Because if you keep thinking we're going to get another 2080->3080 jump at almost the same price, you need to wake up. Never mind the fact Blackwell is stretched to its limits as is. In regards to humanity as a whole, in the words of Gene Hackman: "Like I always say. Put a fox in a hen house and he'll have chicken every night."

I agree, no crying. The market is what it is and when I don't get the product(s) I want, I literally shrug my shoulders and toss in an audible "ah well" each and every time and it's out of mind as quick as it was in there and life goes on. 🙂 I say this knowing that a good chunk of GPUs went to scalpers or knowing bots were used or knowing insiders had first dibs for themselves or.... (insert another reason here). It is what it is. Life is too short to get worked up over stuff like this over luxury items that only a very select few can afford anyhow. I know I am in a blessed position in life and I can roll this stuff off my shoulders and keep it moving. When you can relate contextually and realize how much better off you are than most, life becomes a much more positive, wonderful existence....(or at least that has been my experience). (The BIG fist bump! 😁) ------ On a related note: Is it me, or is the Asus Prime 5000 series linup very industrial beautiful designs? I really like the look of the 5080. And it is $999 MSRP

I put nothing past businesses to constantly increase profits. Absolutely nothing. Newegg routinely takes advantage of current market conditions by charging more over MSRP along with suddenly adding in shipping fees. Let's not forget their combo "deals" (well, in their defense, some of the deals are nice).

All that matters is your frame rates/benchmarks with the undervolt and how much you're saving from the wall versus your performance metrics. I stopped worrying about clock stretching / ghost clocks and started focusing on my actual bench/performance results / stability versus what my meter is reading being pulled out of the wall and drawing the conclusions there while undervolting and increasing clocks/mem to find the perfect power:performance point. @tps3443 rerun your tests with Timespy or in game benchmark to find that sweet proper UV point where performance takes the least hit. I just used TS with my 4090 to hit 2825mhz at 0.950v with power usage right around 340w in WoW and then below that clocks and performance really started to suffer and I had to dial back on my +175 to clocks or give it a wee bit more power or I would get lesser performance or crash/lock ups. I monitored and kept numerous 7900xtx's in my basket on newegg. Each had anywhere from being in 150+ baskets (Sapphire Pulse 7900xtx) up to 450+ baskets (Nitro+) to a modest 300+ baskets (Asrock Taichi). I also kept track of several 7900xtx models on Amazon and BB too. They were routinely in stock if not always in stock. This was also true with the 4070 Super. 5000 series drops, sells out instantly, tons of people couldn't get a 5080 or a 5090 and suddenly after the launch 7900xtx and 4070 supers sold out fairly quickly. Translation: Some buyers were holding off buying a 7900xtx, 4070 super (top cards realistically left in stock at many places from each company at MSRP) and once they couldn't get a 5000 series card and needed something they snapped up an alternative. You also have a fear of Tariffs kicking in and those prices skyrocketing. I guess this is your first taste of an Nvidia launch in quite awhile. 🙂 This one was worse than the 4000 series launch though by far as some 4090's lasted a few days at MC before selling out. 5090 was ready to launch. I mean, the cards and architecture are there and out. It wasn't ready to launch in volume but it was definitely ready to launch. 🙂 I think Nvidia wanted to get in also before the potential Tariffs kick in and suddenly the cost of all these cards is going to be at least 25% more expensive if not more for consumers unless an exception is made. With a baseline tariff, you're suddenly looking at $1250 for a 5080, $2500 for a 5090 for FE models and the prices just scale up from there. $3000 for a Suprim Air. $3500 for an Astral. This is all before sales tax. I know for myself if Tariffs kick in before I get a potential 5090 I will most certainly pass. Even now I'm still "meh" (as I was looking all morning....I know right?). I'm going to do some hard numbers when my 5080 FE comes in. at basically $1012 after tax w/ discounts it will be hard to beat price:performance. I'd prefer a 5090 FE or other MSRP model for $2k or if I need to spend more, a Suprim 5090. That's about it realistically but sometimes you have to let common sense kick in (or not 🤣) When I see numbers like this: It really shows the 5080 at $999.99 justifies its place in the price:performance pantheon. ~9% behind a 4090 for a fraction of the price. Do I wish it was faster? Of course, but no denying the same price for more performance and features. 5090 is just off in its own world dominating everything..... I've done this in the past. You just have a family member or friend order something for you from the same location so you can get more than one of whatever. It's no biggie and I'm sure Dom (and others) have done it to get multiple units. On the other hand, purchasing before the embargo is another thing or swooping in and buying dozens or more. I guess I just don't get my shorts in a bunch over things like this. I never have. I didn't score a 5090. I just shrugged my shoulders and thought, "Ah well, there's always tomorrow." 🙂

I thought this was a slight discount on the 5090 variant for that price then saw the 5080 and chortled. 😂 Update: It now says "Notify Me" so someone wanted it! WoW.

5090 liquid vs 5090 Founders: Those temp differences are outrageous lol. 🙂

B&H website down atm. They might be updating for their launch now. @tps3443 EDIT: Back up. Keep an eye on it. 🙂

Might as well. I sold my 4090 for $2100 🤣 lol, if we go by Microcenter drops it looks to be about 10:1 5080:5090 and plenty walked away from trying to order or get a 5080 in person empty handed. Visiting the Reddit threads you would have thought someone died. It is a GPU people! calm down.... When you look at the cost per frame the 5080 is in the top five and only beaten by the 4070 Super (which @Talon and I routinely championed) for best bang:buck. 5080 is legit no matter what anyone says or dumps on it. Two tiers of improvements (4080->Super->5080) and a much needed price cut and not raising the price this generation even with inflation in play puts it right where Nvidia wants: Keeping buyers from picking up a 7900xtx and making it an actual decent gamers GPU upgrade. Seeing Jufus (since he's the only one going OC vs OC) showing what it can do vs the 4090 at $999 is pretty nice. Did it break trend with previous generations and not best the previous generation's best? Yes, but market forces, how we calculate generation to generation uplift and value and prices paid have changed radically too. It wasn't like you could blame the pandemic or crypto. the 2080ti was the first big salvo from Nvidia to signal how they priced their GPUs and associative performance metrics were being adjusted more in their favor each and every cycle. AIBs unfortunately are caught up in the storm and being wrung out for every cent Nvidia can extract till you might get more EVGA like responses. Apparently reading about dealing with AMD shows they're not much better. I do think if Nvidia had released the 5090 for $1699 the uproar wouldn't have been so bad but they went fully greedy to $1999.99 AND have left the AIBs with such small profit margins they have no choice but to up their prices by 2 to 3 times the original amounts over MSRP. OC vs OC (remember how you used to try and compare cards? 😁) it actually isn't let alone much worse bang:buck on the 4090. Not like the 5090 is any better in that category but still.....no. I do think the 4090 makes a nice mid card slotted in between the 5080 and 5090 atm though. This gen 5070 and 5080 (in that order) will be the best bang:buck cards from nvidia by far. 5090 is poor value but king of the hill so it is what it is. Bring it on! 🙂 Usually once or in rare instances twice a week and at anytime. Best bet now is to follow a bot after the initial known launch but in the past they dropped usually around 1-2 EST during the pandemic. I signed up for notifications with B&H for the Astral, Suprim Air, Suprim Liquid and the MSRP Mid cycle launches have almost always had more stock on hand especially if it lacks a halo card. I can guarantee if a 4090 Super/TI had dropped, it would have disappeared quickly. As I said above, going by the MC chart, it was a ~10:1 ratio 5080 to 5090 and 5080's sold out stupidly quick too. As for yields, gamers are getting the dregs or what Nvidia can spare while their AI machine is printing money for them atm. Just remember a few months from now we'll all laugh at this as 5080's are plentiful and those who wanted a 5090 managed to track one down at MSRP. Congrats! And whatever gets you in the queue and on the playing field.

Yep, I'm out too. Remember, this is just the first day of launch and we all know they will eventually become available given time. Like I said before, I can't remember the last time I scored a card on launch day and quite honestly the FE 5080 was a pleasant, delayed surprise. I suspect I won't score a 5090 till a month or two from now. That seems to be my jam. 🤣

I'm not sure if Nvidia is selling their FE on their website this time around or at least at launch. All I saw was 3rd party links too. I've never had an issue with BH Photo, but I've only used them to purchase in stock items or items with a known shipping date. If they can't ship within 30 days, you cancel or just contest it. They have been around for quite some time. This is the first I've heard of issues with them.

I can now safely return my 4070 Super if I so desire. I have till the 2nd... $1012 after BB rewards almost half the cost of my 4090 for the bulk of its performance. NOW the big hunt continues...... @jaybee83 I'm looking around to see if I can find anyone online who scored an MSI Suprim 5090 of any kind yet.

Yep, BB hell. Nevermind the fact they're the only one with FE cards in the US. On a related note: Whew, managed to score an FE 5080! The order I pressed to confirm earlier that said "opps! there's a problem" and it went out of stock on BB like 90 min ago? I just got an update it was processed with an order number and is now in my order history. One down...... One to go.... Maybe.... 🤣 ----- I never made it to that point with the FE 5090. B&H hasn't launched their cards yet so keep an eye out on them too. As I'm sure you witnessed, Newegg sold out so fast it gave me whiplash.

A. Yeah, best buy goes like this: #1. Add to Cart #2. You're in line! #3. Sorry, something went wrong! or "Out of Stock" determined by inventory logistics #4. Add to Cart Button still on screen #5. Goto #1 B. If you manage to make it past this phase #1. Please verify order by logging in again #2. Here is your 2FA #3. Go to Check out #4. Opps something went wrong! #5. Goto #1 C. You actually make it to the final purchase screen #1. Place your order #2. Opps something went wrong! #3. Goto B else "That item is currently unavailable" This can happen over and over and over again. This was me earlier: