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27 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

They pretty much are, they have 390w bios.
 

 

 

 

The Super 24GB variant will have 400w as it's official TDP. The 5080 FE is 360w. (or right around there). OC'd a bit more, but nothing like you will get with the vBIOS from Zotac or Asus.

It isn't "practically" 400w.

This from someone who tested theirs extensively before getting excited about the vBIOS then pissed off. 🙂

With all the extra headroom on the 5080, an AIB model (unless you want to shunt) is the way to go and flash it with Zotac or Astral vBIOS and really let it somewhat cap out nicely.

5080FE OC'd to +400 / +3000 99% utilization in WoW (I'll dig around for my other SS in TS/SN but I never saw anything meaningfully over 360w)

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I’d test that 5080FE and not worry too much about this at all, it may be really efficient with power, from what I read they are efficient. They have a 400w max power limit. My 5090FE is extremely efficient with its 600w cap, and it under-volts insanely well and sips power. I have no problems keeping up or beating other AIB 5090’s because they just aren’t as efficient, so even though my card is hotter it’s still able to get it done. This happens with 5080’s too. I have learned a lot about the RTX 5000 generation, and it’s really all over the place. So I’d still definitely test that 5080FE, it may very well surprise you. Also, the price is cheaper than all the others. 
 

 

Yeah the 5080FE is a banger especially for $999.99 but it is limited to ~360w which is the official spec. It's still a killer card and third most powerful out there atm.

You will need a different vBIOS to open it up to to even 400w or especially 450w on the Astrals/Zotacs of the world. 😞

2 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Was your 5080FE normal $999 MSRP? 

BB drop, so $999 MSRP still on the FE's.

42 minutes ago, johnksss said:

So this randomly showed up today...

 

I(n far better shape than the box I sent to Brother @Mr. Fox 😂

Well hello sailor! 😍

Why is bitrecover watermarked on every picture?

12 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

So uhh I was able to snag a RTX 5080 FE and am debating whether I wanna keep it or not. 

 

But I saw people talking about 400w and 450w vBIOS. Too bad all the links I've seen are dead. 

 

What's the deal with 5080 vBIOS? Is there 400-450w vBIOS that can be flashed on the FE cards?

 

If I keep it I wanna do some benchmarking. 😁

Unfortunately FE editions (5080 / 5090) can't cross flash vBIOS unlike the AIB variants.

That's the #1 reason I sold my 5080 FE a few weeks back.

You can shunt mod it, but no thanks.

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and yeah, Best Buy had a drop of FE cards this afternoon including 5070, 5080 and 5090 models. This is their second drop of FE cards.

Nvidia VPA is dropping pretty regularly now too. I've had at least 4 guildies / clan members score one now directly from Nvidia.

Prices are definitely trending down on eBay for the 5090 FE now.

Tons of other cards coming into stock across all brands too on the regular.

5090 owner told, "You should have gotten a 9070xt bro..."

His response.... 🤣

I'd like just the display itself to take along with a laptop or SFF. They can yank all the other stuff out of it.

5 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m kinda surprised you’re entertaining another 5090. I don’t think you’re gonna like the Gigabyte though, you’re probably already spoiled at this point is all lol. It’s going to feel plastic-E and light weight/cheaper in comparison to your Astral. But you may very well love it! If it’s a good card that’s all that matters. 
 

My 4090 Gaming OC was fantastic for the price of $1350 shipped, and I loved it. But, it felt like a toy GPU lol, It had the “Outdoor Bug Zapper light” coil whine tone in any load scenario, the core maxed out at 2,895Mhz reliably, even 2,920Mhz on the desktop with no load or games open would lock-up windows. With all that being said, I still really enjoyed it, I had a loud system at the time with a 59dB chiller anyways so it didn’t matter too much how noisy it was. It was amazing for the money and fast no doubt and that’s why I loved it! I think that’s honestly why I’m happy with my FE being total opposite of what I had, it doesn’t feel like a toy, it feels like a solid heavy high quality GPU, the silicon is soo much better than what I had before. In my current build the loudest item in my case when gaming is when my Lian Li Gold Edge 1200 PSU fan cycles on/off, the only thing I can hear is my PSU fans. Definitely a new problem for me and what I’m use to.

lol, yeah, I cancelled it after talking to my wife and really thinking if saving some $$$ was worth the downside for the next few years when I am 100% happy with the Astral (besides the price of course 🤣). I actually spent considerable time on BB looking at cards and then MC and NE and seeing the various levels of savings vs worth the potential issues and would I be happy with it weighing the pros and cons and each time was a no and so here we are.

I could be equally happy with a Suprim I think, but they're so close in price what's the point and there's a chance it's a dud and/or has coil whine.....

My wife knows me better than I know myself and at dinner we talked about it again in detail. And in her final words, "From what I heard tonight, there is like zero chance this 5090 is going to be anywhere near as good or well built or perks filled like your 5090 now and you've said numerous times your 5090 is perfect like your 4090. so I think this is stupid and you are going to regret it over $800 which is really nothing overall over two years. Either keep it or return it and use that rodeo (Radeon lol) thing and pass the rice."

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True, the Windforce tier is one step below the Gaming OC tier. The Aorus Master level is where Gigabyte really starts to step it up a level. The price:performance level of your 4090 was great. Once costs get down to a certain point, you can start to say, "Well, I'm ok with this and that." I remember you weren't doing backflips over its clocks.

FE build quality is lights out, period. It is streamlined and elegant. I have always loved the look and feel of the last three generations of FE cards. the 4090 FE was just a monster slab of beauty and the 5080 / 5090 FE is a compact eye catching engineering beauty too. Even Steve at GN lavished a ton of praise on it.

It's gonna be painful watching you tear it apart, but it's worth it for the results. 🤣 

Once you start pursuing quiet computing, it is really hard to go back to noisy setups outside of pure benching for a few minutes here and there. My system is absolutely whisper quiet during normal use and gaming I can have the speakers on low and still not hear my system.

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

Soooo. turns out silicon lottery is real, even with RAM kits. The second Trident Z5 Neo turned out significantly better than the first one, at least being able to make it halfway through testing at DDR5-7800.

Secondly, pricing is NO indicator whatsoever when it comes to OC ability on a given mobo. Among all the kits tested, the Kingston Fury was the most expensive (387€ vs. 298€ 2nd place, 270€ avg. and 229€ cheapest kit) but actually performed the worst, erroing out pretty much instantly at 7600. For comparison, the "golden" DDR5-8000 kit i found only cost me 266€, so a tad below average!

 

So this only leaves the 1.35V older sku of the G.Skill 8000 kit, which unfortunately got cancelled / refunded by the shop i ordered with. However, since that kit is specifically the only one listed on the QVL of the X670EE ill try to get my hands on it from a different source. im just too curious to see how it holds up with the 1.30V variant (secretly hoping i might be able to push 8100/8200 😛).

 

so anyways, hope this data might help out someone here! it certainly was an eye opener for me, thanks to bro @Mr. Foxfor putting those silly thoughts into my head 😄 

 

now to initiate the bunch of returns for all the "loser kits" 😛 and hoping to get all my money back 😄 

 

conclusion for now:

4 out of 9 max out at 7400 MT/s, so basically half (including my current TG DDR5-8200 kit)

4 out of 9 max out at 7600 MT/s

1 out of 9 is able to do 8000 MT/s

 

Notes:

Striked through: Out of the race

Blue: current champ

Percentage in parenthesis: how far did the stress test go before it errored out

 

8000 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048E24GX2-TZ5RK 1.30V (newer SKU) = 7600 / 7800 / 8000 / 8100 (Win Logon)

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK 1.35V (older SKU)

G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 1 = 7600 (1%)

G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 2 = 7600 / 7800 (49%)

Patriot Memory PVXR548G80C38K = 7600 / 7800 (3%)

Kingston Fury KF580C36RLAK2-48 = 7600 (0%)

Lexar ARES Gen2 RGB LD5U24G80C40BR-RGD = 7600 (20%)

 

8200 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8200J4052F24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (97%)

 

8400 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB SP-8400J4052G24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (1%)

All that is guaranteed (assuming compatibility) is what is stamped on the boxes regardless whether it is memory, CPUs or GPUs.

For memory, you have to toss in MB compatibility and IMC along with other things on top of it.

But yeah, when I grabbed some Patriot 8200 kits before that couldn't even do 7800 TM5 30 minute let alone 90 or Karhu on my SP109 + Asrock Z790i but turned right around ordered TG 8200 that worked no problem up to 8600 and could post 8800.

Same problem binning B-die sticks too especially when it gets to voltages and timings. Same kits but others could go well beyond the others.

Crazy.

But good set of data to chew on!

Glad out of all of that a set emerged that could do 8000!

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

no surprise there, reputable seller with top notch wares and awesome pricing 🙂 if only bro fox was located a bit closed id shop at "Mr. Fox Rox Hardware Shop" way more frequently 😄 

 

 

uhlala going for best bang/buck, nice. keep it up with the impressions on the Astral vs. Windforce. anything catching your eye yet that would be worth a price increase for the Astral, aside from the per pin monitoring? hows the cooling and voltage range on the new card?

 

ill continue the RAM binning today, two more kits currently incoming. that leaves one last kit that hasnt yet shipped from the respective shop.

will likely start the return process today for the "loser kits" 😄 and also did a first pricing check on fleabay for my current Teamgroup 8200 kit. ill finish up the tightening of subtimings on the TG kit to get some AIDA64 baseline numbers to compare with the new 8000 speed, should be interesting!

 

speaking of fleabay, just sold my 7950X yesterday to a dude in croatia for about 90% of the current new in box pricing, cant complain!

Yeah, going for best bang:buck, but my wife legitimately had me cracking up over our morning coffee/tea.

"I ordered a different cheaper 5090"

"The GPU thingy?"

"Yeah"

"Why?"

"Because it will net me the bulk of the 5090 at almost $800 cheaper"

"So less than the cost of us going to Disney for one day in February?" (I can sense where this is going)

"I guess so..."

"And what if this card isn't 'perfect' like the one you have now as you've said a few dozen times"

"I'll return it..."

"and keep the the current one?"

"Prolly or try another and I'll have to return it by then so it will be gone"

<Audible Sigh on her part>

"What?"

"Can't you just enjoy it? You're like the most financially responsible person I've ever met even to your own demise"

"Huh?"

"Because if you end up having to return it during your 'Let's make a Deal!' swap fest, what if you never get another as good as this one? Am I gonna have to hear it on the regular?"

"Prolly"

"Just keep the damn card. Please. You even said in a few years you'll be able to sell it and get back everything most likely"

"It's called an Astral by the way..." (in my snootiest voice possible)

<Slow Eye Roll>

"Why the eye roll" (We're both starting to crack up at this point)

"Because you lucked out, first time, on this GPU thingy"

"An Astral"

"An 'Astral' (with finger quotes) that as you put it is 'firing on all cylinders' (more finger quotes) with zero problems and you're going to jump through hoops over $800 to chance receiving a not so good card over and over again if ever again?"

"Yeah, but $800....."

<Slow sip with eye roll and sigh>

<Laughter for the next few minutes>

She is right though. I'm going to try ONE Windforce since it is the cheapest one on the market outside of the FE but a traditional AIB model and I will have time to try and return it before I'd have to return the Astral.

I have zero complaints about this Astral except the price and I do get her reasoning. 🤣

Clocks high

High voltage max (1.110)

Does +3000

Build quality is lights out

love the aesthetics (understatement)

runs quiet

low to no coil whine (have to have the room dead silent to find it even the gpu fans)

real time per pin monitoring

High voltage waiting for an XOC leak

Chonker heatsink shown to be able to handle the XOC bios quite nicely for some use

Just hate the price.

30 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

The Astral is still high priced here home. More like $3195 (but still much cheaper then US). The TUF and a similar other 5090s dippping around $2200 now. Seen it down to $2140.

Yeah, the pricing is still high here but cards are coming into stock much faster across the board and staying in stock for many models (I'm looking at you PNY).

I just pulled the trigger on a Gigabyte Windforce 5090 for $2639.99.

If it turns out to be a decent card (IE no or low coil whine which is all I care about really), I'll return the Astral and pocket the ~$800 difference as for what I do it will get me what I want and slap that $800 back in my pocket. It's priced closer to an FE than an Astral.

Astral is a monster, don't get me wrong with a top Voltage range of 1.110 and satisfies every thing I could want in a 5090 except the price. If everything works out as planned, if one of you (this thread only) wants it for exactly what I paid ($3582.59) + S&H, let me know else back it goes by next Sunday no harm; no foul. I won't sell it on OC. I'll just return it and avoid the headaches from over there.

I'm also going to be testing a few sub $200 budget x870 boards  and maybe selling off the Crosshair too while I finish setting up these two other systems to sell off a bunch of my other parts laying around. Time to reel this ship back in a bit. 🙂

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1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, it does. I think they might be the same PCB. I have emailed Titan Rig to see if they can get it rather than ordering it directly from Alphacool. Alphacool has blocks for like 17 different 9070 XT models. I think it is a Radeon trait and they all run hot. They use surprisingly high memory voltage on the 9070 XT, maybe to clock the memory higher to help make up the difference using slower VRAM than NVIDIA. The 6900 XT that I had still ran hot even on water, just not as insanely hot. But hotter than I had ever seen on water before.

 

https://shop.alphacool.com/shop/gpu-wasserkuehlung/amd/14780-alphacool-core-rx-9070-xt-aorus-elite-mit-backplate

 

Edit: Looks like I have an interested buyer for one of the 14900KF now.

 

Yeah, I double checked and it is 100% compatible so most likely identical PCBs but better cooling on the elite. It doesn't list the normal 9070xt gaming though which is odd unless there's a difference between them. I do have the OC though.

One down, a few more to go. They will sell. It is just AMD is "hot" right now and moves much quicker, but outside of a few grossly overpriced samples, the 13th and 14th stuff does move and your chips are priced nicely.

Playing some WoW switching between the Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070xt and Astral 5090 still seeing if I could get by with the 9070xt to tide me over as my primary GPU and wait on a cheaper 5090 and return the Astral (I have till the 3rd) and some of the newer areas the performance difference is just savage.

In many of the areas out questing and doing dailies, I'm getting 70fps with the 9070xt capped at 99% even on a 12700kf and in the same exact area on the Astral 5090 with a 9800X3D tuned up  I'm getting 186fps and 93% utilization. Just brutal stuff like this happens all the time in open areas playing and questing. I routinely look up at the OSD and the 9070xt is huffing and puffing at 99% with sub 90fps and the 5090 is wanting for more sitting at 50-60% utilization at 120-130fps+ looking at the 9800X3D going, "common bro...."

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

X670E Gene, Trident Z5 EXPO 6000 CL23 RAM and IceMan RAM block sold. Boxed, labeled and ready for UPS tomorrow.

 

I will be ordering an Alphacool CORE block for the AORUS ELITE 9070 XT. It needs it. Real bad. Looks like they are projected to be 6 to 8 weeks (in production). Air cooling is not my friend. The Arizona heat and absence of humidity (especially) doesn't play nice with air cooling. 

Whew, that moved quick!

Quick sale on AMD stuff these days but Intel stuff, even the 14th/13th gen goodies, lag. Who wudda thunk it? I think it is AMD being overall the better choice to many, degrading fears and many do not want delidded CPUs for their use (maybe warranty fears). At a certain price point, many buyers are just going to pick up a 9800X3D/9950X3D or go buy a boxed CPU unless the SP is really good. As always, eventually buyers will mosey on by.....

Will it fit the Gaming OC line too? I agree on the temps. 9070xt is a hot and heavy beast including Gigabyte's cards. Memory and hot spot temps are crazy hot. Both I've had and have ran/run pretty toasty.

9 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

 

correct, when it comes to gpus im pretty boring, air cooling only for me. thats why i went for the suprim to get the best air cooler 🙂

 

btw GOOD NEWS GAIZ! i hit 8000 STABLE on one of the kits yeeeehaw! so this is indeed a very interesting finding, were getting a spread of at least 600 MT/s between the worst and best performing kit on the same cpu + mobo. u basically never see any reviewers doing this, they either bin cpus (seldom) or mobos (mostly). 

so this is one of the g.skill 8000 kits, the one running at 1.30V for the XMP profile. i also tried 8100 and it booted but then hang during the windows login screen. dont matter tho, ill take 8000! 

so this leaves 3 kits still to be tested, two out of which are already on their way to me.

stay tuned!

 

here the current standings:

 

8000 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048E24GX2-TZ5RK 1.30V (newer SKU) = 7600 / 7800 / 8000 / 8100 (Windows Login)

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK 1.35V (older SKU)

G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 1 = 7600 (1%)

G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 2

Patriot Memory PVXR548G80C38K = 7600 / 7800 (3%)

Kingston Fury KF580C36RLAK2-48

Lexar ARES Gen2 RGB LD5U24G80C40BR-RGD = 7600 (20%)

 

8200 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8200J4052F24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (97%)

 

8400 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB SP-8400J4052G24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (1%)

Ditto with my main rig card, but you water cool the CPU or AIO? You know what, just slap up a refresher pic of your rig.... 🤣

w00t! on the 8000! on a 2DPC x670e board, that is a massive win!

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/134254982

 

Got #3

 

Dont think I'll be able to get much higher for Steel Nomad but #3 is pretty good for air cooling

 

44 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Thanks, spent the better part of the day working with my 7900 XTX trying to figure out its behavior. 

 

Finally came to terms with despite using an A/C unit freezing in my own room, the stock fans on the Red Devil were not enough to cool 800w (surprised they took me this far to be honest). Replaced with 3x92mmx45mm fans powered externally. That allowed me to get this score, along with the application of PTM7950.

 

The hotspot temperature is really the only thing that I am taming on this card, GPU temp might hit 62c with the fans maxed.

Very nice!  Top three on air....boom!

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Are you planning to watercool your 5090?

I'm pretty sure @jaybee83 doesn't watercool his cards. I think I asked him before and the answer was no.

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

first two ram kits done with testing, unfortunately only these two made the delivery today. but tomorrow should bring along many more packages 🙂 already seeing a bit of a spread, makes me hopeful!

 

so the Lexar kit is the first to drop out of the race, was unstable at 7600. the G.Skill 8200 kit made it through 7600 but errored out at 7800 riiiiight at the very end of the stress test. more to come!

 

 

8000 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048E24GX2-TZ5RK 1.30V (newer SKU)

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK 1.35V (older SKU)

G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR

Patriot Memory PVXR548G80C38K

Kingston Fury KF580C36RLAK2-48

Lexar ARES Gen2 RGB LD5U24G80C40BR-RGD = 7600

 

8200 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8200J4052F24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800

 

8400 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB SP-8400J4052G24GX2-TZ5RK

As a checksum, I would pick up a 1dpc board from Asrock (or similar, rated at 8200+) for testing everything memory wise unless you've come to the conclusion your MB is limited to ~7600/~7800 and or CPU?

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162201?Item=N82E16813162201

This is what I did with my Carbon x670e to figure out what was truly giving up the ghost and to know where my topped out vs CPUs and kits of memory.

Watching the XOC bios pulling 950w+ on an Astral cooled by De8auer's block....

No real need for CAMM memory outside of potentially more exposed area to cool better....

Crazy builds....

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Crying after mama🙂 Please close the damn chassis door. And undervolt me.

 

Holy $&%^&!!

Yeah, that's bad. That's 3090 FE level right there just missing a slightly higher pitch....

I can run my Astral full OC, no door, 238fps capped for my display and barely a whisper out of it.

That Aorus would be returned so fast...

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, I ordered my second X870E AORUS Master so I can sell the Gene. I haven't posted it yet, but a member of overclock.net got wind that I might sell it and messaged me. He said he would let me know by Sunday. If he doesn't then I will list it. 

 

I purchased this AORUS Master on April 13 from Amazon for $478. It has since gone up to $550 on Amazon and NewEgg, but I found it at Central Computers for $490 and ordered it there. It seems kind of crazy that the best AM5 motherboard (in my opinion) is made by Gigabyte. I never would have guessed this would be true. Everything just works right. The Gene is a great motherboard, too. It is unfortunate that it is mATX. Otherwise it would be a keeper. Unless it were to have all of the same flaws as the X870E Apex, in which case it would be crap. I'm still sad that the X870E Apex sucked. Heck, even the low budget B850 AORUS Elite was better than the Apex or the Taichi. The Carbon was also better than the Apex, but not as good as the Master.

So in the end, how did the boards rank for both CPU and memory OC's? Apex vs Gene vs Master vs Taichi vs MSI vs Elite?

This happened to me during the 600 series cycle. Those two Asrock B650 boards OC'd much better than the MSI Carbon and Hero I tried testing my original 2x16GB 8000 G.skill sticks.

They clearly made improvements on the 800 series as this Hero had no problems hitting 8000+ with these TG 2x24GB sticks. I think I topped out at 7600 on the x670e Carbon and 7400 on the Hero while both those Asrock 1DPC B650 boards both hit 8000.

CENS wins the OC competition at Computex.....

10 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

right, says the one whos already gone through 6 kits 😄 

 

and hey, its all bro @Mr. Fox fault, he put silly ideas into my head! 😛 

In my defense, I DID pace myself over several months....

....but....

.....yeah....

🤣

I'm probably going to order a few more since I've sold off all my weaker sets and my last set of 6400 sticks is going into a system of other parts to sell off (12700kf, 3080, 32gb 6400 ddr5, etc...).

Right now, I'm fighting the urge to pick up a 9950X3D to properly take advantage of 8000+ with the dual CCD.....

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Excess is always better than lack or mere adequacy.

True, I've sometimes picked up multiples of whatever I'm testing/upgrading in the moment....

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

aight boiz, i just ordered 8 different RAM Kits, lets get this binning party started 😄 

 

all of them 8000+ at 2x24GB, just cant go back to 2x16GB kits anymore even if they might turn out a bit faster in the end. capacity first! 🙂 

 

Ordered from 4 reputable shops so i can be sure there wont be any hassle with regards to returns.

 

These are the kits I ordered:

 

8000 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048E24GX2-TZ5RK 1.30V (newer SKU)

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK 1.35V (older SKU)

G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR

Patriot Memory PVXR548G80C38K

Kingston Fury KF580C36RLAK2-48

Lexar ARES Gen2 RGB LD5U24G80C40BR-RGD

 

8200 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8200J4052F24GX2-TZ5RK

 

8400 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB SP-8400J4052G24GX2-TZ5RK

 

i left out any kits that didnt offer black versions (gold / silver / white aint my thing) and also skipped CKD kits (currently not supported on AM5).

 

i have a RAM profile saved with max voltages and loose timings, so will just test that and check what the highest attainable frequency is for each kit, so should go pretty fast. ill start at 7600, since my current setup can already do 7400 stable.

 

my current RAM kit for context: TeamGroup T-Force DELTA RGB FF3D548G8200HC38EDC01 8200 Mhz 2x24 GB

Whoa! Go big or go home! 🤣

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Interesting that you purchased some Intel XMP kits instead of exclusively EXPO. I have had poor results attempting to use XMP memory on AMD. Even booting using the default memory profile has been hit or miss and custom tuning a bit more cumbersome. Something is different at the firmware level.

 

Look forward to seeing your results.

I've tried about 6 kits now and while XMP only kits worked a lot easier on my MSI and Asrock boards than Asus, I did find EXPO/XMP cert kits were less problematic on the Hero overall.

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

yep i turned a blind eye on XMP vs EXPO on purpose, just wanted to let the test results do the talking and see what ill get 🙂 

 

ill ignore the preset profiles anyways and do custom tuning either way, so might as well cast a wide net!

True, I think all of us in here manually tune our memory and CPUs.

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I tagged you over here @tps3443 about someone looking to trade down + cash. 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/my-5090-astral-for-your-5090-fe-1200-usd.1816392/

Double check Asus NA warranty and make sure a product in Canada can use Asus warranty in the States.

He hasn't opened it yet, so you have no idea what bin is in there. Astrals can be duds too topping out at sub 1075 or the rare chance of not hitting +3000. As we've seen some can not even idle check at >3300. I, personally, would have him open and test/verify the card with results before doing anything. @tps3443 has a decent sample on top of that IMHO that has a healthy 1075 top, idle checks to 3400+ and can hit +3000. Nevermind the potential coil whine (not sure @tps3443 cares about that).

And in NO way am I biased and want to see an FE properly blocked, chilled and shunted....nope not at all! 🤣 No siree!! 🤣

Only unknown on @tps3443's sample is the coil whine, but just about everyone I've crossed paths with sings like a canary >150fps+ but we all know I'm extra OCD about coil whine....

6 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

not sure if thats purely coil whine though, might also be coming from unevenly balanced fans scratching at the fins. 

I know with my bud's setting fans at various speeds without it being under load only resulted in just the sound of the fans. I confirmed it with my 5080 FE in testing.

But when under load especially >=150fps, his card went wild with the coil whine and that weird sound while my 5080 FE was quiet except for the fans.

Not that this negates his particular 6000 sample from potentially having defective fans, but the noises you can hear weren't present on either of our cards with fans at 50->100 manually.

Anecdotally, I actually like the fan noise of the FE series. Only problem is because of the smaller heatsink overall, the fans can and will spin up from heat soak so there is no real, true 0RPM mode like on the AIB chonkers out there.

Coil whine and that weird electrical noise. This is like my bud's 5090 FE exactly except frame / load changes would seesaw and scale up and down. Still not as bad as my 3090 FE.

You could give me a 5090 FE or one of these 6000 cards, and if it sounded anything like this, it would be insta sold and marked as pure trash in my book.

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Innovation at it's best. When aRGB ain't enough to trick you into pay more. Same as with modern AIOs. A small screen on everything to increase the prices.

 

V-Color puts displays on memory modules tomshardware.com

 

Of course, screens on the side of memory modules add to the cost, but since they represent a unique feature, enthusiasts will likely be willing to pay extra to have it.

 

 

The end game is obviously a system that looks like it stepped right out of Cyberpujnk / Blade Runner with every component neon lights 'esque lit up.

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

id actually be highly interested in one of those cpus for my lady's machine. only issue being that i need one with iGPU enabled, so no diced unfortunately.

 

 

ah yes, first RGB and now displays. might as well install an electric heater on the RAM 😄 

Was @prema able to actually enable 13th gen and/or 14th gen support on the NH55?

Nice custom builds including Deltamate Astral Block on a pretty sick build (timestamped) at Computex:

48 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Newest addition to the Green Goblin's overpriced broken trash circus.

 

I just watched this and I expected worse to be honest.

8GB is trash overall, but it had the best cost per frame and was beating the 4060 pretty handily.

"3070 with a 40% discount" lol

If they had offered it with 12gb of memory it would be an acceptable $300 card but the problem is going to be the 9060 XT 16GB at $350.

Plenty of 5090s available at MC now along with Newegg (which is still only selling Suprim's in combo BS).....

Even a decent amount of 9070xt's including the Taichi I originally wanted at an already inflated launch MSRP of $729.99 but it is now officially $850 and basically DOA to me at that price point.

57 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Not much of an upgrade. More vram is welcome but the rest is the same. Will probably come with an increased price. But with this refresh Nvidia have made room for the 5090DD for China and a possible 5080Ti

RTX 5080 Super rumored with 24GB of memory — Same 10,752 CUDA cores as the vanilla variant with a 400W+ TGP

Considering the 5080 die is full fat, the only other option was a new die, severely cut down 5090 die or as was predicted with all the overclocking and tdp overhead on pre-existing 5080's they were going to up the power package and slap on 3gb modules vs 2gb modules and probably charge at least $1200 for it MSRP if there's an FE of it..

Load up HWinfo and/or GPU-Z along with MSI AB when running and see how much the card is pulling under load both Timespy and Steel Nomad.

You really shouldn't have to undervolt your 4080 in any way for it to operate normally.

I'll assume you have tried a clean Windows install or at least a DDU and graphic driver re-install.

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

No. I do not have a surprised look on my face. Business as usual.

 

I just finished watching this and wow....

Just when you think Nvidia can't get any scummier, they find a way.  They really have lost their way as a gamer, enthusiast, consumer friendly maker of GPUs. Each and every cycle they keep trying to find ways to freeze out enthusiasts, push a narrative counter to what enthusiasts want and need and have just become a sad shadow of what they used to be and mean to gamers and benchers.

Make your products, distribute them to reviewers and let the chips fall where they may....

They are Intel circa 10yrs ago.

Dominant, arrogant and trying to control every narrative including creating branding partnerships and either bribing or threatening OEMs to only include their products when able to do it.

They are in a position now that they NEED to keep being on top decisively because the moment they slip, they will get AMD'd like Intel did.

Ironically, Intel is making inroads in the low end market and AMD is actually doing damage in the middle. Consumer opinion is starting to sour just a bit too.