electrosoft

I so badly want to support you AMD, but my god your 9070xt, just like the 7900xtx, sucks for WoW and FO76.....

 

EDIT: Looks like AMD still sucks for WoW, just not as badly as before but same performance issues especially with RT enabled. So it's back to Nvidia because AMD can't get right. Now it's just a matter of the 5090 or 5080......

 

This makes my 5080 FE look like an A tier card and obviously my 5090 a Super Duper S tier card.

 

It's better than the 7900xtx in FO76 (4k Ultra settings):

 

 

But Nvidia yet again smokes it badly:

 

 

Even the 4070 Super beats it on a 14900ks no less:

 

 

 

It's scoring right where it should on Timespy stock out of the box run as a checksum for performance:

 

 

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I went to my favorite check spot in WoW and proportionately speaking from testing the 7900xtx vs the 4090 a year and a half ago, it is right around the same spot except RT performance is better and doesn't take as much of a hit as the 7900xtx did. RT enabled is also much smoother but this could also be AMD finally sorting out their drivers.

 

4090 vs 7900xtx was a blood bath so this is in the same vein.

 

73fps on average in 4k Ultra 10 RT max:

 

 

82fps on average in 4k Ultra 10 RT off:

 

 

5080 FE (4k ultra 10, RT max):

 

 

9070xt for WoW is meant for 1440p or especially 1080p. I can't say I'm surprised with the 4k results. It really isn't designed for that in many games.

 

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I'm collecting some Deux Ex MD benchmark runs and I'll run some other tests and play around with it for a few days but for my use case this is a hard return......just like the previous 3x 7900xtx's I tested (XFX, MSI, Powercolor) that were returned or sold.

 

It's last chance of hanging around is I will test it in the wife's system since she plays at 1440p with the 3080 Strix, but I remember the 7900xtx with RT on performing just about the same as a 3080 or even a hair less. With RT off, it was ~20% faster.

 

Gonna swap my 5080 FE to collect some FO76 data. I only have runs when it was on the 14900KS before switching over to the 9800X3D.

 

 

 

 

16 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

first impressions on running benches with the 5090 Suprim:

 

- my system is SO insanely quiet now with the 9950X3D + 5090, both are much quieter than my previous 7950X + 4090 Suprim combo. crazy, wouldve never thought that!

- absolutely zero coil whine, not even at 500+ FPS. my 4090 would have a slight coil whine during very high FPS runs (were talking 300+), but otherwise basically nothing.

- EVGA PrecisionX1 still works and allows me to push the vRAM to 34 GBps (+3000 on the slider or rather +6 Gbps). i love this tool so its great to see its still functional 🙂 still have AB installed as a backup tho and for future custom fan curves.

 

havent checked temps yet under high continuous load, the benches im currently running are too short to properly determine cooling capabilities. but judging from the noise (or lack thereof), im not really worried in that dept. 😄 

 

so far so good!

 

Mmmmmm......

 

Only piece of software I've found that can bring my GPU alive even if only a little bit (and all previous GPUs) is oddly enough the Deus Ex Mankind Divided benchmark.

 

WoW uncapped hitting 300fps+? Nope

Timespy, Steel Nomad? Nope

Fallout 76 uncapped? Nope

Deux Ex MD Benchmark? *whispers*  "Hi!"

 

Deus Ex MD Benchmark also made my 3090 FE which was already painfully loud with coil whine an absolutely screeching seesaw monster.

 

I did not know EVGA PX1 worked on the 5000 series. I'll have to give it a whirl.

 

Suprim is a gorgeous card with a nice, beefy heatsink. It ranks right up there with the Astral for me IMHO. If that one had popped available first, I would have grabbed it no questions asked. Congrats bro!

 

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

I said it before. China and Asia have 5000  series cards. Just jump into a shop andgrab what you prefer... And cheaper as well. Of course they have them.... Asia is 1/3 of nvidia's GPU market. And with no extra tariffs.

 

 

Edit. New batches with 5090's out here today. Gone in seconds.   All we have here home is a couple of web-shops and need competing with bots one time a week.

 

Rather say $3000+ for the 5090. 50% more expensive for 50% more FPS vram

 

 

I have till ~May 1st to decide if I want to keep the Astral before I return it and I'm back on the fence. I could technically keep it till June 2nd but the bill is due well before then and I have no desire to carry a +~3600USD credit on it for any length of time. 🤣

 

I've been playing a crap ton of FO76, WoW, Deus Ex MD (now in its full 4k Ultra glory clocking in at a locked 140fps) and some CP2077. Benching is fun but not enough to hold onto it.

 

It is very VERY powerful but I just don't know if I'm getting the proper value out of it.

 

FO76 was effectively capped with a 4090 and X3D so is the 5090 and X3D. Both GPUs were being limited badly with the 5090 severely limited. Doing a lot of testing, the "sweet spot" for FO76 was a hair above a 4070 Super (probably 4070ti levels) where diminishing returns kick in hardcore.

 

WoW engine can't contain the 5090 anywhere I check even with zero player data. With player data, it can get painfully limited down into the low 60's fps range and utlization sub 25% depending on what going on.

 

CP2077 is not a good enough reason to hold onto it.

 

I plan on running the 9070xt in my rig for the next few days. I'll be swapping out the 5090 tonight to gather some comparison data for FO76, WoW and Deus Ex MD.

 

My main problem is I have a $999 5080 FE and it makes it hard to justify anything above that price:performance except a $2k 5090 and even then a $2k 5090 would be spending a lot of time twiddling its thumbs but not at a $3.5k price point.

 

Astral is a total enthusiast card who wants the best and would probably do a lot more with it than I will end up doing.

 

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@tps3443

 

Since we game at ~QHD on laptops,  this is Jarrod reviewing the Aorus 275hx + 5090 175w power limit. This is in line with just about every review I've seen so far of the 5090 vs 4090 mobile.

 

I am waiting for the 9950HX3D review to see if we get some more separation because as it stands now, upgrading from the 4090 -> 5090 at QHD or less is a total waste. Even at 4k, it isn't much of anything worth the $$$.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

There is no real value in the AIB cards except for the fact that they are not the inferior FE design with separate parts cobbled together with cables like a stinking turdbook. The FE doesn't look bad and the form factor is useful for small builds, but I really despise the way the card is put together. Whatever person or group designed it as they did were taking some kind of scary drugs. It's quite the abortion. Everything is gimped, so even the expensive AIB cards are not offering anything in terms of performance. Even if they did offer enhanced performance, the difference is not in scale with the added cost.

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So, I made some hard decisions this weekend. Not only getting rid of external cooling loops and going down to just two desktops (primarly because of lack of space and my growing sense of claustrophobia the congested workspace is causing), but I also cancelled the X870E Apex order. The more I have compared differences between the all of the AM5 boards I have or did have (X670E Gene, X870E Carbon, X870E Taichi and B850 AORUS Elite) the more it seems like there is little or no differences in performance or overclocking potential. The CPU runs like the CPU is going to run and it doesn't care what motherboard it is installed in. Ryzen is a solid product, but limited by design and having a more robust motherboard makes hardly any difference in CPU overclocking, and minimal difference in RAM overclocking. This is in stark contrast to Intel, where it really does seem to make a big difference having a better motherboard.

 

For AIB boards, shunt mods are compensating for a lack of XOC BIOS which is nice and gives benchers an option if they want to crack their cards open. It's something @Papusan can readily do if he wants to take his scores to the next level.

 

I can see why the overall design of the FE card is nails on a chalkboard to you, but man they are SFF dream cards. You just have to make sure your SFF case selection is pure pass through because of the sheer amount of heat coming off that thing let alone its physical temp.

 

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Are you selling the chiller too? I remember us discussing boost algorithms and the slow decline of overclocking headroom across CPU sns GPUs many moons ago on the notebook forums. It all started with the slow death of DTR laptops so you then move to desktops where boosting algorithms really started to come into play with AMD and Intel really had no choice but to respond.

 

On paper, it really makes sense though to give end users the best performance shaped around their power and cooling but it really doesn't help those of us who like to experience those  massive swaths of performance bumps.

 

Still, pushing a 9800X3D to 5.6ghz from ~5.2ghz is nothing to sneeze at but the true enthusiast chips still lie with Intel up to 14th gen.

 

 

51 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

5090 installed and purring smooooooooooothly 🙂

 

first up: all ROPs present and PCIe 5.0 x16 working as intended, PHEW! dont worry about the clocks, fiddling around with powersaving profile for simple desktop usage.

 

 

next up: Id never thought Id see the day where my Suprim 4090 seems SMALL, THING AND LIGHT 😄 check out these CHONKERS! 5090 always on top

 

 

I really wish they wouldve sticked with the three slot backplate... why would anyone do a dual backplate on a 4+ slot brock of a gpu?!?! 🥸

 

anyways, time for some stock benches to get a baseline vs. my oced 4090!

 

Nice! I absolutely agree with the 2 slot vs 3 slot. I would even be ok with a 4 slot on these chonkers and give it full support across the PCB and heatsink. It doesn't make any sense. PNY still seems to go with a full 3 slot support bracket. I am not sure why MSI regressed and went with a bigger heatsink but a 2 slot support bracket.

 

I'm no GPU expert, but I've heard that full ROPs is a good thing....right? 🤣

 

34 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I am completely happy with the FE model. To be honest I really did not want a FE originally. If I could have had my choice it was a Suprim, MSI Vanguard, or Gigabyte Gaming OC, Aorus Waterforce WB, maybe something like that. The only thing appealing about the FE was the price, so it was considered as a back up last resort, I did not want the dinky cooler. But now that I own one, I really like it and it grew on me fast. Some of the main concerns kept me from wanting one 100% originally. High memory temps, I wondered if the liquid metal was done correctly and stuff like that if I was gonna have to re-do the liquid metal, I worried about issues with the PCIe connector being modular, I worried about noise and high temps. After you ordered your Astral I thought man I could sell my 5090FE and get an Astral too lol. But, then I started to love the GPU for what it was engineering and all. I think it's a genius design, none of my original concerns were real problems. Overclocks really aren't all that much worse. If you're running 3,100 to 3,200. I am running 3,030-3,130 with the typical +3,000 memory (Depending on the title). But I am finding that overclocking seems to be silly. I do not feel a difference. It's like going from a gazillion fps to a gazillion and 1 fps. Overclocking the 4090 was a little more useful, because that card was 450w bios. So, bumping it up to the 600w bios helped a lot in 4K. But I think as a whole the card just works. I am not forcing myself to like it. I just like it! I am content with it. In this hobby it's easy to see something else and lust for it until you break down and get it lol. So, I'm not doing any of that, so I'm 100% glad about that. 🤣 As of right now, I am not interested in trying any other 5090's. I might water block this one. But mainly just because I want my whole build to be custom loop+ hard line tubing and finished. But I might not, I think since the card stays quiet and does the job well. I might just leave the thing on air cooling. I've eased up a lot on the whole extreme overclocking. 

 

That's good and some good insight into your current mindset.

 

I do remember you wanting the Aorus Waterforce WB disproportionately vs the other models because it came blocked and ready.

 

After using the 5080 FE and externally it is identical to the 5090 FE, it honestly just upped the street cred of the 5090 FE even more because of the build quality, look, design and temps knowing the 5090 FE is an even beefier design internally. It is a true 2 slot design and trying to shoehorn it into a 9800X3D SFF build (9800X3D so it can be tuned around a low profile air cooler and still work 100%) intrigues me. I could obviously do it with the 5080 FE with much better thermals still though.

 

Funny you mention that about the Astral. In my Fallout76 clan (all of us are also current WoW players. Some of us go back 20yrs, with a few even further into Diablo II and Quake crazy) where we game and talk voice in game, I have an Astral 5090, clan member has a 5090 FE and another has a 5090 Zotrash. One member is playing on an 8700 + 2080 and still getting it done for perspective. I was talking about my top three list and he readily offered to trade up his 5090 FE + cash for my Astral as he wants to run full tilt but thermals are holding him back so I have an offer on the table for his 5090 FE + $1450 for my Astral once he saw how it clocks and runs cool easily but I'm in your position now that the more I use it the more I like it for many reasons. His sample runs about the same as yours it appears which is about average. I told him we can facetime   tomorrow (gutting my daughter's office tonight some more) so I can hear that coil whine / EC noise because when I asked he said, "well, it's not quiet, but what GPU is?" 🤣

 

As for overclocking, with the monster heatsink on the Astral, cooling isn't the issue as Motiv is over on the forums literally shunt modded and pushing 1000w through the Astral and temps don't even hit 70c which is insane but shows the massive over-engineering Asus put into this chonker.

 

I find it chortle worthy from someone who used to run his gear on the edge w/ a chiller to extract every fps possible suddenly has done a 180 and is arguing against it 🤣

 

Overclocking wise, you're looking at a 6-8% gain in performance overall using a "sane" OC that could be run daily.

For me, the big "whoa" moment of course was in WoW where pushing the most basic, limited of OCs pushed my GPU utilization from 92% down to 80% in WoW that was with zero PL/Voltage adjustments. Total overkill for WoW atm till something changes.

 

I like knowing if/when I encounter a GPU hungry game and want to push a bit more oomph through it I have the cooling and headroom to rev that engine as I see fit.

 

With all this being said I *STILL* might return it and go back to 5080 FE or 9070xt.... 🤣

 

All options are open!

 

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@Papusan Timestamped from soneone who owns 5 Astrals and the fan noise being a nothing burger for them across all 5 samples so it could be some cards but not all. I'm telling you, when I put it under load and waited for the proverbial "chainsaw," I just went, "that's it?!"

 

Also showing why the Astral air heatsink (including the rear cover especially) is that next level machining and fine touches here and there. $1500 worth? No, but then again try getting a card at $2k atm.....

 

It is part 1 of a 3 part series where he tears down an Astral, TUF and blocks them both.

 

He was majorly disappointed in the heatsink/shroud build of the TUF being a lot of plastic even though temps (normal usage) was only about 5c cooler on the Astral so it isn't like the TUF isn't delivering.

 

 

Part 1: (Astral teardown)

 

 

Part 2: (TUF teardown)

 

 

Part 3: (Installed and comparison/test)

 

 

 

 

13 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Hmmm. You don't find any FE cards here home. 

 

And at that time you didn't know if you could cross-flash firmware for the FE. Not even sure you can do it now.

 

Hmmm. Some really  want that FE cards.

 

 

I didn't have many choices. No HOF and I don't like MSI or Gigabyte. I could of course get the Palit cards. But sadly it cost close to Astral. Why buy cards you don't like in middle price specter? Neither fish or bird. Then we have what is available of cards. Not many brand's SKUs in the shops here. And the few, they are all gone after 1-2 minutes. In the beginning right after launch... Gone after 30 sec. That have improved massively since launch... From 30sec to 1-2 minutes before empthy😬

 

I mean that's a 5080 FE for 5080 Astral trade but the 5080 FE owner will only do a straight trade? LOL, FE isn't that great. It would have to be +$600 for a 5080 FE to Astral trade or +1450 for a 5090 FE to 5090 Astral trade. MSRP for MSRP and the difference. That buyer of the 5080 Astral clearly doesn't want it because he also wants to do SFF builds.

 

But if you're into SFF builds, I can see the FE being the perfect card albeit there are SFF 5080 AIB editions out there and I am sure 5090 AIB editions will be coming too. But sitting here holding this 5080 FE it is dense (not light at all) but the 5080/5090 FE form factor is so slick. Like I said, the strength of the FE editions is price and size and that's it. After that, everything is in the AIBs favor across the board.

 

Having traveled a few times with SFF builds last year, laptops are just so much easier but a lot louder when gaming/under load vs a properly built SFF.

 

My criteria since the jump has been the three models FE, Suprim, Astral and that will never change. 4090 was FE and Suprim Liquid but I've moved on from Liquid models because they are just a pain to swap in and out for testing systems.

 

FE = Size and price

Suprim (before price hike) = strikes medium pricing and has good build quality and like MSI

Astral = most expensive but best overall design with all the bells and whistles

 

What overrides ALL of this is coil whine and electronics noise. Bad noise/coil whine = immediate return/resell.

 

The fact I can run the Astral at 3100-3200mhz just by pushing the sliders up to max (+328, +2000) with no PL or volt increase and the fans never break 50%, temps never go over 66 in GPU Tweak 3 is just sick for D2D use.

 

I suspect the Suprim will be able to do the same easily.

 

No HOF and the fact you don't like MSI or Gigabutt and no access to FE (dunno if you would want one though) really limits your choices.

 

Did you specifically want the Astral LC over the Air or were you fine with whatever one was available?

 

12 hours ago, tps3443 said:

During launch day I was open to just about any 5090 honestly, I’m not too picky lately. I think it’s just the model we happen upon or end up with. And we like it because it’s ours and we can only appreciate the features or experience of that particular model compared to prior experiences. If I had another 5090 like a Ventus 5090 or PNY 5090, I’m sure I could find some positives to speak on with those too, just like many other models. No doubt some models may completely suck. But most are probably fine and get the job done. 

 

lol, that is the mentality of most enthusiasts on launch actually. They will take whatever 5090/4090 presented itself. I know you're cheering up your FE, but if given a choice among models, would it have been the FE?

 

I know on launch, I queued up for the FE (both 5080/5090) and at B&H I wait listed myself for the Astral and threw in a Gigabyte because of the launch price at the time ($1999 or $2199 can't recall) and queued up for the Suprim the next week or so when it officially launched and that was it. Every other model I didn't even consider because if it became available I wouldn't buy it.

 

Over the last few months, I had access to PNY and TUF (x2) and passed on them because I flat out didn't want them. I also had access to the 5090 Astral LC (x2) and passed on it because I didn't want it.

 

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

This. Doesnt matter if i spend 2k or 3k for a 5090, at those price points its all the same: i better get what i actually WANT, otherwise might as well set fire to those bills and call it a day 😋😄

 

aight boiz, currently finishing up my last bench, then its time for the GPU transplant 😎

 

 

Yup, for these price points, I know what I want and will pay for. I can't imagine dropping thousands on a model I don't want simply because it was available but I can understand those who do.

 

Ok now! Let's get it crackin'!

 

 

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

So far, the Lian Li 1200W Edge Gold is holding up great. 12v rail never drops below 12v EVER with the RTX5090FE.  Three runs with Steel Nomad.  Memory is at +3,000 on my 5090. 

I also want to touch on memory temps. Because I think the memory temps are really good with the Dinky FE model. Even overclocked, and auto fan, it stays at 80c or less during long term gaming inside a closed case. If you run the memory stock it will run at 72-74c. 

I'm sure the big AIB cards may do better than this, but its not an issue on the dinky FE model. 🙂



 

 

I'm not doing backflips over its performance or the fact if you let it run full tilt it will heat up real quick to try to sustain 3.1ghz+

 

I do love the form factor though. Visions of SFF builds dance through my head. To me, that is its primary strength. It fails everywhere else but that compact, elegant design is awesome IMHO. 🙂

 

 

8 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Close to $1500 USD extra doesn't bring much extra. Only a much deeper hole in your wallet. And the cheapo sag bracket and the kids ruler with golden paint that come in the Asus box give you zero value.  

 

 

And yet we all bought the overpriced editions to get that little bit of ooomph!!! You too @Papusan...... 🤣

 

At a certain point, it isn't about cost. It is about getting a model you want based upon your criteria.

 

FE = Suprim = Astral to me in regards to desire regardless of price.

 

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I’ve only used this paste on the IHS, and it has done amazing for that. You’ll have to test it and see. I know Kryonaut Extreme cannot be used on die, it all just pushes right off the die it’s the oddest thing lol. I will probably redo my laptop paste again with this stuff, and see if it works. But I’m waiting on my thermal putty to show up. 

 

Ditto, I plan on testing it on one of my several laptops to see what it can do along with this desktop I'm building out from spare parts to sell and clear space (12900k, 32GB DDR5, 500GB SSD, 3080) for testing.

 

 

1 minute ago, jaybee83 said:

 

well...depends how u define "MSRP" 😄 getting a card at the 2229€ current FE MSRP would still be very difficult. but at 2800-2900€ no issue whatsoever, so were talking roughly 25-30% above FE MSRP. i.e. comparable to 2500-2600 USD without tax.

 

Let me rephrase it. 🙂

 

Are prices now the same across the board with AIBs as they were at launch or did prices go up officially for AIB MSRP pricing too over the last few months like they did in the US?

 

 

8 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

How does the Cryofuze compare to Phobya Nanogrease Extreme? Are they about the same? Phobya Nanogrease Extreme is the only paste I've been able to use in laptops without it pumping out.

 

The power with Nanogrease and laptops is the fact it is so thick and doesn't pump out. It is all I use unless I can correct the pairing pressure enough to use KPx.

 

My vial will arrive tomorrow, so I'll see how thick it is.

 

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

I test many thermal paste. You just have to take my word on it. It’s VERY good! Color has nothing to do with it. Their newer paste is garbage and a gimmick.
 

The link I originally posted is the original CryoFuze with a 14Wmk thermal conductivity. The stuff @papusan shared is CryoFuse 5 which is lower thermal conductivity/more expensive/ and they started trying to sell different colors as a gimmick for more money and scam people 😂. They also have some CryoFuze 7 which still isn’t as good as this one. 
 

I discovered this paste when I first ran LGA1700. It really works well. It performs with the best. 
 

@electrosoft The paste I shared is not CryoFuze Violet, it’s not CryoFuze 5, and it’s not CryoFuze 7. It’s specifically called “CryoFuze” and it’s the 14W/mk stuff which as far as I know will probably be discontinued. It is unbeatable for $5.81 for 2 grams. 
 

Oh, the paste is gray in color @Papusan 😁 lol 

 

 

 

Yeah, I ordered the one you linked the non 5 variant:

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

If anyone didn’t know. This is hands down the highest performing thermal paste I’ve ever used for the lowest price possible. It performs like Kryonaut Extreme pink paste. But this stuff spreads easier and is only $3 dollars per gram 😁

Don’t tell anyone! It’s only $5.99 on Amazon. Their newer stuff cannot compete with this stuff. 
 

https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Performance-Nanoparticles-Conductivity/dp/B09JY3S6LL/ref=pd_lpo_d_sccl_1/139-7628459-0114413?pd_rd_w=4DKUg&content-id=amzn1.sym.4c8c52db-06f8-4e42-8e56-912796f2ea6c&pf_rd_p=4c8c52db-06f8-4e42-8e56-912796f2ea6c&pf_rd_r=R697DH8A95XTD1XW0Z0W&pd_rd_wg=UFWcF&pd_rd_r=71e5e821-bae2-4386-8a4d-9c7e1213a2e0&pd_rd_i=B09JY3S6LL&th=1

 

 

 

 

 

What testing methodology did you employ? What was it tested against?

 

EDIT: $5.81 and free shipping on Amazon atm (Prime), so I went ahead and snagged a vial to try because....why not?

 

 

To give you an idea of drop ratios of 5090 vs 5080/9070xt, this is the recent snap shot from one of the stock trackers I follow for USA:

 

 

The bulk of these drops are disproportionately skewed Amazon (like 90%) including both 5090 drops which were for a TUF for $2999.99 and an Astral for $3359.99.

 

 

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

i dont get it....first @johnksss input on the dire 5090 situation in the US and now urs. prices are still dropping here in europe, ive even started seeing several shops list the Suprim at "acceptable" prices (i.e. within my preset budgeting limits). stock lasts for days, if not weeks in multiple cases. u can basically go and get a 5090 any time u want from reputable shops and even if u want a specific model ull hardly have to wait a day or two to get it in stock somewhere.

 

why this imbalance?

 

Are 5090 prices fully back to MSRP? One thing I will say in the US is pre-built 5090 systems are deeply in stock now at Newegg and the one or two models Microcenter sells also routinely pop up with a few in stock across their stores. No longer lucrative to scalpers to yank the cards for resale....

 

39 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

The tariff mess. You never know what will come next day or next week in US. Better ship the cards to Asia and Europe. I'm sure China get what they want. And not only 5090D cards.

 

RTX 5070 dips below MSRP at UK retailer — £518.99 marks a rare low in this unpredictable market

 

 

 

 

Pretty much what @Papusan posted.

 

The Tariffs and ever in flux economic status of the US right now has caused many companies to pause pre-orders or not ship stock while they try to figure out where this is going to end.

 

Every country on that tariff list, even with the pause, is still subject to a minimum 10% tariff.

China is still fully under the 145% tariff and they are not backing down so the US might as well settle in for a protracted economical war. Someone has to blink. At least China didn't retaliate past 125% basically saying at this point, "this is getting stupid." 🤣

 

Prices are going to go up because of the tariffs. A few estimates are looking at ~$4k/yr increase in cost per house hold on average (+/- 10%) due to this economic war. $4k isn't much to many of us, but for ~50% of the country that lives paycheck to paycheck? Of course a large chunk of that $4k per household indirectly goes right into the government's till via the tariff tax.

 

For tech, one bright spot (thank you Apple and google) is that smart phones and computers are exempt from the 154% tariff but still subject to the original 20% tariff.

 

For the time being, it makes most sense to just ship Nvidia cards everywhere else that are much more price stable than the US at the moment.

 

I guess this is what it felt like to be in the EU all those years with your high priced tech. 🤣

 

 

 

 

STATE OF THE GPU MARKET

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Still waiting on Nvidia and their "big drops!" outside of 5070s, 5070tis and 5080's which have my stock watchers chiming so much I had to mute them. 9070xt's drop fairly regular too daily but sell out instantly.

 

5070's stay in stock for long stretches especially the stupidly priced models. For example, shipped and sold by Newegg Zotac 5070 for $949.99.

 

5070ti shipped and sold by Newegg for $1039 and $1099 both Asus models.

 

5080 "bundles" on Newegg only thing available atm for $1770 (MSI) and $1945 (ASUS)

 

All 9070xt sold out at Newegg.

 

Even that $6k Astral bundle that lasted 3 days eventually sold out.

 

Haven't seen a sniff of the Newegg Shuffle recently.

 

 

NO Nvidia VPA RTX 5090 drops since March 25th and almost two months since Best Buy (I think BB is DOA for 5090 Founders). Probably holding back while price adjustments will be coming in for the tariffs.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see 5080 FE jump to $1199.99 and 5090 FE jump to $2399.99.

 

Watching my stock bots over the last week or two and you barely get any alarms for 5090s while when I check in the morning, the 9070xt is usually anywhere from 20-40 notifications but they always sell out indicating small batches and scalpers still on them.

 

Best Buy had *1* drop in the last week and it was for a Gigabyte Waterforce 5090 that was gone before I could even add to basket.

 

Last Newegg 5090 drop (non combo) was 3/20 for a TUF 5090

Last MSI Store 5090 drop (combo) was 3/29

Last Best Buy drop 5090 was 4/8 (Waterforce)

 

 

Almost every 5090 drop when they do show up is usually Amazon

I flat out don't trust Amazon and their constant dings and prices fluctuating all over the place. You follow them up and it is always some 3rd party seller most shady others names we know that are gouging like crazy (Platinum Micro and Hidevolution for starters).

 

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Shipped and sold by Amazon for Prime members but look at that price plus a two week+ lead time...

 

 

 

59 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, the Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC is on its way to the new owner and the Apex and 14900KS was delivered to its new owner today. Net on the sale of those parts was $2500. Not too shabby. I sold the GPU for what I paid for it new, not counting the waterblock.

 

Congrats brother!

 

31 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Coincidentally just enough for a 5090! LOL 🤩

 

I thought the same thing. 🤣

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

We can repair FE models too which is kinda cool! I think a lot of 4090’s ended up with a micro crack or broken PCB/PCIe. Just grab a 5070fe and throw the PCIe on your 5090 if it breaks. In the instance someone tried to use your GPU as a step. 🤣

 

I don't think that's the win you think it is. 🤣

 

"Just grab a ~$575 after tax unicorn 5070FE and viola! Repairio Fixumdulus!!!"

 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

This just show how they (AMD) lure people. There is no reason to offer firmware with castrated power budget. They do this to upsell next tier in their price range. Desktop parts as etc graphics cards shouldn't be treated as mobil junk so it can work in limited space as in tiny and slimy jokebooks.   

 

Kinda like Nvidia and the 5080 holding back so much clock and memory speed.....

 

You can just SMELL that 5080 Super in 10 months! 🤣

 

Or Intel selling silicon with plenty in the tank for years just to bin it up in 6 months to offer a faster version for more money...

 

Corporations just Corporating as expected.....

 

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I know that @electrosoftand @tps3443 saw my post at overclock.net about possibly selling my 4090 Gaming OC GPU to @VULC. We got stuck at the shipping cost. I had no idea it cost so much to ship to Australia. Very weird... 2x to 3x more than shipping to UK, Germany, Finland, Saudi Arabia and other places I have shipped to. Weird that Australia is so crazy high. UPS and USPS are about $200, but FedEx and DHL are more than double that. Crazy.

 

@Thanh Nguyen is also messaging me asking about buying it. I will put it out here in case @Clamibot or @Reciever or @Rage Set or anyone else is interested if the AUS shipping ends up being a deal-breaker.

 

I figured for $1500, that would be an easy pick up for @VULC even with $200 S&H on top of it.

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

VULC will probably still want it. GPU’s are like 3-5K there. For a 4090 or 5090. So I’m sure even if shipping is $200 it’s probably still a bargain lol. Than Nguyen already has a 5080, he wants to sell it and go back to a 4090. He says “5080 sucks 4090 is far superior” 😂

 

Nah, 4090 is nowhere near "far superior." You can use that talk when comparing a 5090 to a 4090 but 4090 vs 5080? I'll pop my 5080 FE back in and overclock it seeing as an OC'd 4090 was only ~10fps faster than my stock 5080 in WoW both GPU capped at 99%. I can guarantee you the 4090 will only be 1-3fps ahead.

 

Still, I'd take a 4090 over a 5080 everyday of the week if they were priced somewhat the same or the 4090 was only $200-300 more. $1500 vs $1000? Things start to get dicey....

 

$2100 (sell price of my 4090) vs $1000 (buy price of my 5080)? 5080 all day everyday....

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

5090 was supposed to be 25% more expensive than 4090, but its definitely averaging 50% faster for me than my 4090. It’s a really good improvement! Sometimes more than that. 
 

Sometimes it’s abnormally large jump. Especially VR or MSFS. I think it’s just that the 4090 is already brutally fast and very expensive. So it’s not required to upgrade. 4090 has Frame Gen already and 24GB vram. So it’s good enough to hang on to. 
 

 

 

In WoW, I don't know how far the 5090 could soar because it is CPU limited but even where it topped out my 9800X3D it was already up 35% over my 4090 OC vs OC with utilization at 80% vs 99% on the 4090.

 

35 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

The 5090 definitely isn’t worth it unless it’s $1,999.99. Because you could essentially cover almost that whole cost with a 4090 sale if given the opportunity at a 5090. I was gonna keep my 4090 and be happy. And I was 100% content after I understood that I literally could not get a 5090, and I eventually got over it. Then I was going to finish my build with the 4090 Gaming OC and be happy. The 4090 is already insanely fast, so I was good with that. I think it’s not worth it at these AIB prices. I agree with the MSRP or nothing statement.

 

Whats even worse is that technically the 4090 and 5090 are both a rip off with today’s new adjusted prices. 

 

Depends on what you're seeking. Enthusiasts, OC'ers, blockers (unless they have no choice) and those who want the best air thermals won't touch the FE with a 10 foot pole.

 

Me? Meh. I'm fine either direction. Many months ago, I said my picks were the FE, Suprim and Astral. That still remains in place.

 

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

The faster AMD can get rids of 9070 the better. This SKU should have never  seen the light. And same time they should reduce the MSRP for 9070XT down to same level as for 9070. That would help AMD to take over the whole mid end graphics cards. 

 

The RX 9070 could be discontinued, first in China, then in the rest of the world. What reasons does AMD have for this?

 

$599 is a perfectly valid price for the 9070xt especially in the current market conditions. I mean, if they want to drop it further, sure, but they don't need to.

 

 

18 hours ago, johnksss said:

Been camped out for 6 days and all I got was a Zotac 5080. The only 5080/5090 that showed up in 7 days.

 

Well at least I got the Zotac part right....

 

....but damn. 😞

 

What did the staff say about 5090 inventory and drops?

 

17 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Yeah, It gets the job done well enough though, I’m definitely losing some performance that other CPU’s would provide. I can still knock that 240fps at 4K in CB2077 full maxed out with multi frame Gen just like everyone else though.  When I swap platforms, I’ll be moving to 240hz OLED as well. 5090 has outgrown 120hz 4k, and my 250hz laptop is insanely smooth. 
 

 

NEW COLOR!!! Blue is much better than the egg plant before.
 

 

Definitely looks good!

 

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

Daddy is happy 😁 Likely will not get to install it for a few days, want to finish up some benches with the 4090 first before flashing it back to stock and taking it out.

Will be sure to post size comparisons between these two bricks 😄

 

 

And it starts.....

 

 

 

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

from what ive seen thus far the spread of SP ratings is very tight for Ryzen CPUs, so any slight differences might not amount to much.

my SP120 9950X3D seems to be not as robust in terms of RAM OC as my previous 7950X, need wayyyy more voltage to even get 7400 stable vs. the previous 7600. hoping that binning some RAM kits will do the trick though.

 

Yeah, AM5 chips are clustered within a range of 3-5 it seems which is very tight vs Intel which has a range sometimes of 10-15.

 

I'd be curious for testing to see your chips on a 1dpc board. Like I found out before, even the dirt cheap Asrock 1dpc boards could hit 8000+ while my Carbon could not reliably.

 

 

Astral EK Waterblock looks saweet....

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Thanks. 

 

Would you buy an gaming Jokebook for close to $15000 ?😂 Or what with an Apple-phone for $3500 ? It seems 5090 looks damn cheap compared to this.

 

This estimate that iPhones would cost $3,500 if made in the US has me terrified of tariffs and the concept of a mid-range gaming laptop costing $5,000 and high-end models hitting nearly $15,000

 

Analyst predicts it would take years to move even a small fraction of iPhone production to the USA.

 

Yeah, that's never going to happen. There is this pipe dream that all this manufacturing is going to come back to the US and it's basically a non starter except in specific pockets to protect bigger critical industries from China (IE TSMC).

 

Other manufacturing will continue to migrate to the Vietnams, Indias and Malaysias of the world and more. I expect any and all tariff issues there to clear up sooner than later because they all want to be the next China and setting the parameters for that begins with the tariffs. As for the rash of other tariffs unleashed en masse upon the world? Whew.... that is a mess.

 

Unlike China which keeps the bulk of their manufacturing in country, the bulk of USA corporations have long abandoned the USA for access to cheap labor and lax rules but that centralized manufacturing has resulted in China and the USA becoming the largest economies in the world with every other country a very distant 3rd and lower. The easiest way to neuter China is to hit them in their production capacity which is exactly what is happening.

 

The slow withdrawal from China has been happening since 2018 with the first round of tariffs against China and people often forget that when Biden was in office he not only left ALL those tariffs in place for a reason while offering incentives to move production out of China he raised some of them even more before leaving office. The writing has been on the wall for almost 7 years now regardless of Democrats or Republicans in office.

 

It's just that the conflict has now gone from a 3 to a 10 real quick when a 5 or 6 would have sufficed to keep things moving properly and not cause as much disruption.

 

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

So far I have it at 4.8ghz on six cores and 4.6ghz on all others. The Skatterbencher article mentioned individually testing each core to find an offset but I have not found the process to do that yet.

 

Yeah, that is extremely behind the 13th and 14th series in regards to clock frequency and seeing as WoW likes as much as it can get vs core count, a 14900KS with tuned 8000+ memory would really decimate it in performance especially with a 4090/5090.

 

Same obviously goes for even a 285k and 9950X3D/9800X3D.

 

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@Papusan

 

New GPU Tweak III with active warning alert for power. Works on the Astral 5090 and Matrix 4090.

 

https://rog.asus.com/us/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-astral/rog-astral-rtx5090-o32g-gaming/helpdesk_download/

2 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

 

Yeah Sapphire Rapids also has some unfortunate downsides like registered dimms, mesh clock bottlenecks and broken CPPC. I also find that disabling hyperthreading improves performance. Mine is the monolithic chip variant and IPC should be close to 13900K P-cores as it has the full 2MB L2 per core.

 

I wonder how a 285K setup would do. 275HX has not been horrible so far. I also thought about getting a 38 inch 144hz ultrawide as the 5090 could likely run it at the exact same framerates as I get on the QHD display. Although that still does not make the machine any more portable so I can use it during the day.

 

The 5090 itself has been great. Just stock clocks, no coil whine and temps are pretty good. It was 2500usd including tax which without any silly bundle bucket deals which seems pretty killer compared to prices today. It might even get worse if the MSRP for these is going up to 3500usd soon.

 

How high can you clock it though? SP109 14900KS I was using (and now the wife is using) was clocking 5.9ghz all core in WoW and re-tuned on her Asus Strix Z690 D4 (my very first Z690 MB, the gift that keeps on giving) is clocking 6.2 on the newest BIOS in WoW and staying at or under 1.4v and ~70c on an EVGA CLC 280 w/ KPx and B-die sticks dialed in at CL15 4000 super tight across the board 2x16GB ( @Mr. Fox B-die sticks I bought several years ago that keep on giving)  . WoW will gobble up every last bit of frequency and it loves tight timings. Only at >=5.7ghz and dialed in 8000 did my 13900KS SP113  almost catch up to my 7800X3D. 5.9ghz and 8200 dialed in on the 14900KS made a good attempt but couldn't hang with my 9800X3D for WoW.

 

Before switching, the 14900KS at 59/45/45 8200 tuned had zero problems in my benchmarking spot capping out the 4090 overclocked to 3135mhz/+1500 memory.

 

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@Talon has his 285k dialed in and has had really good results. I think he has all three platforms now under his roof (9800X3D, 13/14th gen, Ultra 9) all tuned up w/ a 5090 to swap between them so he could give us a better overall appraisal for gaming between the three on the 5090

 

I can't really find any good results or tests for TWW and the 285k dialed in on the level we play and tests I know I personally run so it's frustrating. For a game still massively popular, it gets no love on YT for proper, controlled benchmarking. I could maybe try to snag a binned 285k (SP90+ would be nice) and a decent board but that is $1k right there and then you're gonna want to go with at least 8600+ memory and that's another $300+ so just like that $1300+ to play around. I'd actually go for 9000+ at this point

 

In this video, tuned properly, it seems to be hanging with the 9800X3D at 4k with a slight lead on average, but that is with a 4090 and he is running 9000 rated DDR5 for $340.

 

 

Look below to my response to @tps3443 about open box Apex boards and 9000 memory on Newegg.

 

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I personally would hold onto your 5090 because that price paid ($2500 all in) is really good especially now and then build out a better gaming rig around it, but with that being said having spent the last several days in WoW with my 9800X3D + 5090, those absolute frame tanks in ORBs and loaded Theatre events  is a killer and I am unsure (along with the 5090 being an absolute powerhouse of a GPU) if it is the cache being exhausted, engine limitations,  CPU limitations or a combination of all three but watching the fps drop to ~67 on the ORB in the Undermine and GPU utilization plummet to 22% is disheartening.

 

Good thing is your exact model 5090 still command $3.4k+ on eBay w/ a new MSRP of $3059 so reselling it would be very easy and pocketing a bit of change or sell it to a board member at cost and pat yourself on the back.

 

1 minute ago, tps3443 said:

So for 4K, the games I play it’s primarily a GPU limit and does well! Star Wars Outlaws, KDC2, CB2077, Indiana Jones, Ark Ascended. Tarkov which I just started playing that has really shown me just how weak my CPU is. The game uses like 3 or 4 cores lol.😂  But yeah I’m getting bored with the platform. I’ve had it over 6 months. I plan to swap it out in a bit. It has been very reliable for my work apps though. And for some reason it has always done better for work than something like my previous 13900/14900 setups. I am considering 9900X3D/9950X3D or testing out an Intel 285K (I feel like I could whip that 285K in top shape). If I ran either I’d want 2x48GB ram. I’m not really after super fast ram anymore, I could care less if it’s 2 dimm or 4 dimm board. Lately I’m more in to boards with lots of I/O and features. Godlike/Extreme etc. For now current setup gets it done though.

 

 

Ok, as long as you weren't gonna try to say your platform is the same as an AM5/14th gen tuned up for gaming. If you did, you get some of this:

 

 

But in all seriousness, 285k or 9950X3D is your next, great frontier @tps3443 if you want to truly have a go at it with your 5090.

 

 I would be lying if I said it hasn't crossed my mind lately having exhausted AMD 7800X3D, 7950X3D and 9950X3D along with Intel 12900k, SP113 13900KS and SP109 14900KS.

 

I get these itches I have to scratch....

 

Newegg has some open box z890 Apex MBs for a crazy price of $371!

Toss in a pair of 9000 cudimms for $339 (or TG 8800)

 

and then either pick up a new lottery pick 285k or look for a decent bin on the forums....

 

7 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

You may want to hang on to it, the market right now is pure insane. Pricing is worse since launch. I’m also thinking about trying an Intel 285K. I feel like this would be a good CPU. Not sure if I’m ready to move to AMD yet. The idea of something lower power usage is nice. 

 

Yeah, I agree. It is going to be top dog for the next two years +. I bought my Liquid 4090 3 months in and rocked it for almost two years. I plan on doing the same with the Astral (or whatever I end up with in the next 30-60 days, but probably the Astral. Sweet sample, no coil whine, runs cool and quiet).

 

 

4 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I still have the 5090 gaming trio oc but have not used it for a month. I will probably just list it for sale soon as I don't have much time at home to use a desktop system. To be honest the sapphire rapids CPU isn't pairing very well with the card as WoW was mostly CPU limited.

 

Yeah, that HEDT has its merits, but driving a 5090 and for WoW is not it.

 

If WoW is choking out a tuned 9800X3D, there's no way Sapphire Rapids can compete.

 

All my testing shows the 5090 is just a beast and if you play at QHD you're really limiting the 5090 as it truly is a 4k card that separates from the pack at 4k. At QHD is gets mired down in the same bottlenecks the 4090 suffered but even moreso.

 

If you really want it to shine you have two options to at least do that 5090 some justice:

 

Build out a 9800X3D/9950X3D (tuned)

Build out a 14900KS w/ 8200+ DDR5 tuned<---required.

 

I wish I had the resources to properly test a 285k tuned but I am now seriously over tapped and scrambling to get my tech budget out of the deep red.

 

How does the card clock at stock? OC? Coil Whine? temps? I know you got in early and paid a decent price for it total w/ tax?

 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Hmmm. Who want to pay ROG prices for PNY cards? If  this is correct then I expect Asus will come with a new nice price increase very soon. What I see here... The only shop that have the Astral cards right now can't get rid of the overpriced Asus flagship (still +24 of them ready to be shipped). If so... What will Asus do with that? Try put an even higher price to see if that helps boost the sales?🧐 And what with the +50 in stock of massively overpriced 5080 Astral ? This card don't move out at all from the shop. Aka the same as for the 5090 Flagship from Asus.

 

 

Everything related to newest tech is a disaster....

 

AMD motherboards fail with RTX 50 and RX 9000 cards: PCIe 5.0 speeds are reduced to 1.1, creating multiple problems for gamers.

 

Well, with the tariffs, AIBs really have no choice but to raise prices as they're not in the market of losing money.

 

What will happen if the tariffs continue as such (China isn't backing down) is AIBs will slow or stop orders as demand will drop with even higher pricing and they will focus on the sectors that can swallow the cost increases for profitability.

 

You will continue to have a smaller section of consumers that WILL pay $3-4k for 5090s as they trickle in.

 

Nvidia has no problems not producing 5090s as the AI market is still in full demand. This is one time they simply don't care enough and will just go where the $$$ is.

 

Even now, 5090s in the US are still painfully trickling in and yes, while I made fun of that $6k combo package on Newegg lasting three days, eventually they sold out.

 

Those +24 Astrals will eventually move or be re-allocated elsewhere when buyers realize prices aren't coming down and probably will eventually go up. As they see prices continue to rise they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They have two options....skip this gen or suck it up and buy one.

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I know the Nvidia VPA was running heavy from late February and in to March. It seemed like they were picking 4090 owners, then out of no where they started sending buy links to 3080 owners apparently per Reddit polls lol. I think there might be a low stock on 5090FE or maybe Nvidia is selling all the 5090 pallets to China or companies at over retail cost lol. $1,999.99 seems like a freaking bargain compared to $3,599.99. These AIB MSRP’s are getting insane. I mean, for a PNY? 🤣 That’s usually bought because it’s in-stock and a little less expensive. 
 

@win32asmguy

 

I’m running a Xeon w3175X and Dominus Extreme, which is old as the hill. But it gets the job done surprisingly. Running PCIe Gen 3 x16, I have no ReBar at all and Skylake architecture. It’s really an old CPU. It is overclocked to the absolute max on ambient water 4.7Ghz on all cores HT on, 3.3Ghz mesh, and DDR4 3800cl14  50ns latency. It’s typically always pushing the 5090 in 4K. I admit that overclocking my GPU is pointless most of the time, and some games like Tarkov really are all about the CPU. But this thing rips. I can run monster hunter and Cb2077 benches and compete similar to other modern rigs in 4K. Even Unigine Haven throws down! 😃 I’m impressed with the old pig. 
 

It could be since your system is dual CCD and OCTO channel and there’s a latency hit. But the IPC on 

your rig is definitely there! 

 

Depends on what you want. For example, @Mr. Fox wouldn't touch an FE with a 10 foot pole. It is good for what it is and based on cost, I would pick one up maybe, but in terms of cooling, OC and capability? Meh. I love LOVE the aesthetics though but the more I use this Astral? It's pricey but I like the extras across the board. Bang:Buck though the 5090 FE is a gem as long as there is no coil whine or electronic noise. Those fans spinning up drive me a bit bonkers though.

 

You can't copium your way out of running a much weaker platform that isn't doing the 5090 proper justice @tps3443!! Don't delude yourself!! 🤣

PNY prices on walmart (shipped and sold by walmart.com) just jumped drastically too.

 

Epic-X OC is now $3599.99 from ~$2999.99.

 

Zero recent updates on any VPA 5090 FEs going out and BB hasn't had 5090 FEs since about a week or so after VPA started via Nvidia.

 

5080s continue to rain down every day tripping stock watcher alarms all the time.

 

5090's go quiet for days on end and then a trickle comes out and then it goes quiet again.

 

China is not backing down (I never expected them too), and with threats of even higher tariffs in play things are going to get real messy real quick.

 

16 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Gamers have waited long time to get newest gen graphics cards....  RTX 5090 Gaming Trio OC only $3488.99

 

Retailer Stuns Gamer With A $1000 Price Hike On His GeForce RTX 5090 Preorder

Graphics cards are the most important and exciting part of a gaming PC. They're also the most expensive and getting even pricier, as gamers are quickly finding out. NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 is at the forefront of this discovery, as a buyer on Reddit recently experienced.

 

 

 

MSI raised their prices but $~3500 for a gaming trio? CDW has deep roots into the supply chain and this is a pre-order that clearly isn't going to be honored considering they haven't even gotten a card yet.

 

MSI last raised the price to $3049.99, but if this is CDW getting wind of further price hikes with the new tariffs kicking in sooner than later, that is bad news.....

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

helloooooooooooooooooooo 😎 card is at the shop, package prepared 😁

 

edit: aaaaaaaaand shipped! 🙂 5090 trainwreck, here i come 😄 

 

@Papusan any specific drivers ud recommend to minimize the damage? 😛 

 

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Ya I got a TUF OC around the first round of price increases. But looking back, I got a bargain LOL. 

 

 

In an odd moment of uniqueness, everyone in this thread who has a 5090 has a different model lol.

 

Listed in order of acquisition:

 

@Talon = TUF OC 5090

@tps3443 = 5090 FE

@Papusan = Astral 5090 LC

@electrosoft = Astral 5090 Air

@jaybee83 = Suprim 5090

 

Did I miss anybody?

 

Maybe @johnksss will roll up with a Zotac....