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From your past adventures, I'm surprised you didn't go for a 1600w or close PSU. 1000w seems kinda conservative for you. First you get an R batch 14900k and don't even delid it Second you back away from top end and go 4080 Super Lastly, you opt for only a 1000w PSU stepping down from 1300w You feeling ok @tps3443???? 🤣

I have never encountered that changing settings piece meal but I haven't installed the newest BIOS yet just the previous beta. I was going to update this afternoon and give it a whirl. Was this happening to you on previous bioses or just this newest one? ----------------------------------- Cache is king and scarily so. For me, this is shown in Fallout 76 where it absolutely loves that cache and the older FO engine can basically fit inside of it at all times producing a scary performance leap over Intel. I would love to see Intel somehow integrate an X3D type stack on their chips comparable to AMD:

Of course the day right after I install the last beta and go through my whole process! 🙂 I'll install it today still. Beta is working fine but never hurts to have the officially goodies. Glad it dropped before I did my deep dive in some OC'ing benching and data collection.

LOL, I can wait. I'll just sit back and wait for that initial rush to subside then BOOM snaggeroni! If we look at the performance gains from nvidia in their tik-tok type of Intel cadence, I expect blackwell to be pretty beastly and it might be why AMD has already basically given up the ghost in competing on the top end this cycle and has intimated the same for next cycle. They're bringing everything they can full bore but Nvidia is just a juggernaut giving serious performance gains each generation. Imagine if Intel and AMD had provided the same generational uplift with their CPUs? Very beautiful! I've been a sucker for EVGA since back in the 6800GT days when I picked one up for my Power Mac G5 Dual tower back in 2004. I've always loved their cards and they just kept getting better over the years. I still miss them in the GPU space and while they've shifted to PSUs and other peripherals, I still check their website and forums. You need to make a custom display case to house your current and incoming GPUs with a small brass label under each one showing the name and highest score achieved. 🙂 I dunno if Bruno is "thrustworthy" but hopefully he's trustworthy! 🤣

Installed the latest BIOS and recert my memory before a clean install. After clean install time to get in there for some OC tweakage with the 7950X3D.

4090 consistency in gaming and Nvidia's overall better features/package can't be denied. The dip is real but unless you're a pro or hardcore, it really is much ado about nothing depending on the games you play or want a locked refresh rate that's pushing the edge anyhow which for an esports gamer I can see being a must. I'll be sticking with my LF II 420 for now until a compelling reason presents itself to upgrade/change. The noise:performance is quite nice. Have you done the delid and testing yet? (Maybe I missed it). The good thing is you can bench with it off for personal benching. The bad thing is you can't submit them for inclusion on the bot. They should really do away with it seeing as all lower tier cards don't have it. On the stock vBIOS and AIO I hit ~2820-2835 out of box and with a standard OC, I game and bench at 3120+. Memory does +1600 solid or +1700 for benching on my MSI Suprim Liquid X 4090.

Welcome! 😁 Mine is still in the box brand new lol.... Looks like AC wanted to control the entire mount from insertion to pump block. I like the idea on paper, but I would have preferred a standard CF included that was tested and paired with their normal mounting mechanisms. This would allow you to use theirs or somebody elses. LF III shines in performance:noise ratio. One thing I love about the AC LF II 420 is how quiet it is even gaming or handling small little CPU busts when surfing and such. Even though the LF III is louder than the II, it is still best in class for providing high levels of performance with the lowest noise. Noise normalized, it is #1. Not sure how you're going to void your warranty when the contact frame actually helps prevent any potential extra stress or warping. If you're stupid enough to answer yes to Intel asking if you used a CF, that's on you.

What @Papusan posts above... What I see below! 🙂 🤣

I thought the same thing. "Looks nice but did he take this pic with a circa 2000 digital camera?" 🤣

I'm Gen-X too. 🙂 I used to love Kmart. That was my favorite "that type of store" to shop in ever since I was a kid but they've all shut down. I really do not like Walmart at all. Target is like a slightly fancier Kmart. Yeah that MSI is slick. I'd get one of those in a modern version and @tps3443 it does kinda give Suprim vibes! Hopefully better results than with the EVGA.

That one is much better. I thought about the other one because you could maybe get it basically at retail pricing (or a touch below) when all was said and done and have a guaranteed SP100 chip but I can see ponying up a little more for the SP102 if able. I go to Walmart less than 5 times year if that. I prefer Target. 🙂

Walmart is interesting as I know a family member who returned so much stuff in NJ they were banned from Walmart returns and every Walmart they went to they couldn't return anything. Walmart requires the receipt or government issued ID to return items so there was no getting around it. Paying in cash doesn't work all the time and would require an associate to use their government issued ID if you don't want to use your receipt. You could have a friend return a cash purchased item with no receipt and they would have to use their government issued ID. Funny, but they ended up moving across the country and the bans were not active at their local Walmarts immediately so they could shop and return items but after numerous returns it triggered the system that then associated it to their NJ record and BAM banned again. I got my first and only "nasty-gram" from Amazon when I returned that EVGA FTW3 3090ti I bought at 2199 on launch and realized it was so not worth the money (Only to turn around 5 months later and get the KPE 3090ti oy!).

Did you buy all 4 at once and return all 4 or did you buy them in lots of 1 or 2? I only know one person who eventually was told they could no longer return items to Best Buy. They weren't banned from buying but their return privilege was revoked. He was returning stuff left and right and basically using items for 30 days and returning them over and over. He was warned first via in store and email but he kept it up. So @Mr. Fox I am sure a few CPU buy and returns will be ok unless you're returning items like a bat out of hell. I tend to think the "binning" crowd is a very small slice of the overall CPU selling pie. We're a drop in the bucket vs most buyers on all levels.

I wouldn't order more than two at a time. I've done it since 10th gen gen but skipped 13th and 14th this time around. If you have shopped there at least a few times in a year and you pick up a few and then return them you should be ok. I even returned two Asus G18 laptops last year but in my defense I shop from there so frequently in a pinch or convenience for myself (always price match Amazon), friends and family it's rediculous. 🙂

Ack, 0-3. 😞 Sorry Bro.

Nothing new for AMD. They did it with my old Acer Swift 3 when it had a 5700U in it making you think it was 5000 series Zen3 when it was actually a repackaged Zen2 while the 5800U was Zen3 all within the same product/life cycle. The product page USED to say "Zen2 architecture" for the 5700U but they removed that pretty quickly while 5800U page still says "Zen3 architecture" on the bottom. They aren't hiding the details. They're just not announcing them with the same vigor as some of their early GPU/CPU "best light" presentation benchmarks and not showing them in their overall or worst light. Kinda how like they led most to think there was an actual physical doubling of the CUs in their 7000 series GPUs when it was actually same CUs with double FP and they never corrected it or gave clarification. These marketing tactics fall under a grey area of scummy as you can find the info out there if a consumer does their due diligence but they aren't blaring their trumpets to show any product shortcomings. In other words, just another corporation...er...."corperating"

Funny I was going down memory lane the other day with a guildie who is die hard AMD and telling him how much AMD/ATi hardware I've used over the years. My first AMD cpu was the Athlon X2 4800 and then I bought a FX-63 as a "goodbye to Socket 939" and gave the X2 4800 to my brother who ran that thing till 2011. Intel introduced their Core and then Nehalem architecture and AMD basically was getting blasted (a little less and less during 1000 then 3000 series) till the 5000 series then hopped on board but USB issues drove me back into the arms of Intel with 11th then 12th. Switched to 7000 series after 7800X3D dropped last year. Ran Intel 13900KS while sorting out my dead motherboard issue then back to AMD. GPU wise? Well, after 3Dfx went under, I was die hard ATi till late 2004 then went back and forth between ATi/Nvidia till 2009 when the GTX 280 dropped in 2009 then actually went back to Radeon for their 7000 series cards (7970) in 2011 and ran that till I picked up a 980 in 2014 then 1080/1080ti (KPE actually) right before the crypto market sent prices soaring then back to Radeon for the 5700xt ran that till the 3090 and here we are.....round 3 with the 7900xtx incoming and 4090 just purring away since January 2023. ------------------------ As for Intel, well, this is a taste of Skylake stretching all over again and I'm calling this Alderlake++++ and we're at the end END of this node and it is being pushed to the redline so chips that are officially "ok" are hot and heavy. As @Mr. Fox referenced, some get really up in arms when returning CPUs. There's two schools of thought here: Those who say regardless of how hot and heavy is it running, but is it running? After you get into the BIOS and tune it up or get the proper cooling, is it performing per Intel specs? Yes, then it is what it is and returning them is unethical. Then there are others who say there needs to be a cut off and if a chip is running that hot and heavy and pulling that much power to meet spec and requires tuning to run as intended, that is unacceptable and back it goes. Me? I don't need a reason to return a chip that just isn't doing it for me performance wise. I don't want it. It isn't as good as I want and it's my money and back you go. Some say you should sell them at a small loss. No thank you. I don't need to justify it. I'm just returning it. If you want to sit in the corner and get butt hurt because I'm using the retail return mechanisms to return a product I am unsatisfied with for whatever reasons go right ahead and cry in your blanky. I mean cut them some slack.....AMD is absolutely trouncing Intel in that segment. 🤣 Ryzen Master Utility was recently updated. I'll take a look at it later

If that first picture will be your computer area, I could still see running a few lines through the lower wall/panel right outside and placing a small enclosure out there for your chiller. I do like the layout of your new place!

That is an awesome idea actually. Either that or add a small enclosure right outside your computer room and have dedicated lines running to it for your chiller. Silent and keeps all heat out of the room too.

I mean I was just trying to prepare you seeing as how everyone was popping all these sub SP98 POS chips but you landed two subpar chips in a row. The 6ghz points were bad and the 5.8 points were down right insulting. Newegg has no return only exchange policy? I wonder if they reach a point where they deem your chip fine and send it back? With this level of garbage bins, they've had to have encountered this before. I really didn't think Intel was going to eeek out a 14900KS chip with such bad 14900k's but it would make sense now keeping all their R batch equivalent chips for 14900KS. I expect your CPU will be more than 14900KS worthy and then some. What impresses me most about it is your 4300 V/F point (I'm thinking NH55 laptop use here) as I think that's the lowest 4300 point I've seen on a 13900k and 14900k chip. If I recall, it was like 0.969 or 0.964? For a 14900KS, I'll be focusing on the 5.8 V/F curve as with my setup that will be be sweet spot to push all core with very small trips into the 6ghz+ on select cores for gaming and some benching but I did just plunk down $740 on the 7900XTX after rewarding myself on a massive winter spring clearing of tons of hardware over three months Nov-Jan so hopefully I get a window to catch my breath. If that's the case, then my 13900KS was running close to a stock 14900K w/ 8000 tuned sticks within spec at 5.7 all core for gaming. I think I said it before, but the gains from a tuned 12900k 5.2 all core / 4133 DDR4 tuned vs a 13900KS 5.7 all core / 8000 tuned was quite substantial. To see the 7800X3D smack down the 12900k pretty easily was sombering but then to run the 13900KS tuned and see it retake the lead in WoW was nice. I'm just glad to see when both platforms are pushed and dialed in, the competition is fierce. It keeps both companies on their toes.

I like your nuclear option logic, "If we dial it all in, push everything to the wall even if it is going fukushima then it can compete and blast a 7800X3D" 🤪 The way the 7000 series uses memory and how the 5000 series uses memory especially for gaming is much different this time around. Before, you could almost set even 3200 CL20 with a 5800X3D and it was so cache focused/dependent that scaling it up to 3600/3800 CL15 did not net much in terms of gains and if instructions / data fell outside of the cache performance would plummet where 10th and 11th scaled like a bat out of hell and ran consistent. 7000 can actually scale well with frequency but moreso with tighter timings much better than 5000 so if you're going to "tune" Intel you "tune" AMD too. Will it scale as well? Nope, but where it does scale it takes advantage. Maybe take a look at the OCN 7000 X3D forums especially domdtx's work (resident AMD gaming tweaker who was also bringing the heat with his 5800X3D and 5950X rigs) and you will be surprised at how much AMD can scale with overclocking, memory frequency scaling and tight timings along with gaming benchmarks. Newsflash, AMD has "golden" chips too! 🤣 After having run my own tests, you will literally have to pull together an outlier setup for Intel to consistently match AMD's X3D chips if that. This is on average as there will always be games that favor each CPU. While I don't have your binned 14900k and setup, my 13900ks 8000 tuned 5.7 and it was able to hang in there overall. I didn't even get a chance to tune my 7950X3D yet but did use my 6000 tuned A-die settings and the 13900ks was fighting hard to get that WoW win (where it naturally shines) and was just decimated in Fallout 76. I mean trounced. The immediate take away vs the 5800X3D was seeing so much scaling and improvement in gaming runs dialing in the memory and running proper 1:2:3 sync. To me, 13th and 14th gen are tweaker chips paradise 🙂 and OOB vs OOB AMD really has the lead so there is this misnomer that X3D chips "rule everything" which is false if you know what you're doing. Once you really start dialing in each platform things get much MUCH tighter and competitive in a good way. If you need a chilled/dd, hand picked 14900K ultra tweaked 8400+ DDR5 pushing 5.9+ uncapped 13th/14th gen chip to beat AMD sometimes, is that really a win? (I'm ribbin' ya here bud!). I still might pick up a 14900KS though. 🙂

Bro, you crack me up. 🙂

That is atrocious in every way possible and might be one of the worst 14900k chips I've ever seen.

Arctic, like all companies, follow the money and what buyers want and the bean counters must have seen their RGB AIOs were selling well enough to the point to "extend and embrace" RGB even moreso in their AIO line up. I'm ok with RGB but outside of targeted builds, I do not go out of my way to light up my case like the 4th of July. All I've heard are good things about Kryonaut Extreme. I tended to shy away from them ever since that run of bad Kryonaut batches along with just being outclassed by other pastes but I might have to give them a try again.