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Same price, I'm picking the 7900XTX every time over a 4070ti Super. This. The latency hit is a known quantity especially in competitive games. Frame Generation would not be a selling point for me.

If you're looking for a performance upgrade but don't want to splash some cash for the 4090 and its hefty price tag, it makes more sense than the 4070ti Super but if I had a 3090 I would either bite the bullet and get a 4090 or just wait for Blackwell. Unless you want to take your foot off the "master hardware" gas, ease off having the best each generation and shift your generational upgrades to the xx80 or xx70 class. In that scenario, you upgrade to an xx80 now and each subsequent generation or you keep your 3090 till next gen and wait for the 5070 as you adjust your hardware performance expectations. I'm not quite sure where @tps3443 is on the 4080 Super rationale though. 🙂

Picking up a 4070 Ti Super when you have a KPE 3090 makes zero sense. Just wait for the 4080 Super.

1. I don't think there are compiled numbers anywhere but I know I've bricked numerous MXM GPUs but that was doing a lot of testing back in the day and I always had a P870DM then TM on hand to slap the bricked card in the secondary slot and reflash it. Worse case scenario was using my SPI Programmer to flash it directly (along with my P870DM BIOS when experimenting). For desktop, I did somehow brick/corrupt my GTX 280 back in the day but I was running two EVGA cards in SLI and just booted off the secondary/working card and reflashed it that way and got it back up and working. That was the last time I bricked a desktop card. You can also boot off of Integrated if needed and attempt a re-flash that way. 2. NVflash (as @Mr. Fox referenced) or GPU-Z will let you save your original Vbios. If you're flashing anything the very first thing you want to do is backup your original. Everything is going up and I expect GPUs and other parts will never return to any semblance of their pricing from 5-6 years ago. 😞 4070 Super is awfully close to the 4070ti. If you don't need 16GB of memory, it really is the sweet spot (relatively speaking) for Nvidia this time around. Hey....free performance increase and 16GB of VRAM for the same price.....

Sometimes it is differentiating between inflated pricing universally and Newegg being...well....Newegg. 🤣

Agreed especially depending on setup dual 4080's might make more sense. Zero reason to price cut the 4090 for many reasons. The "temporary new norm" prices for the 4090 on Newegg is $2k+ for all cards available even sold and shipped from Newegg....ugh.

Well, if you're getting a slightly faster GPU and more importantly 16GB of VRAM vs 12GB of VRAM for the same price that has merit. Each tier of the "Super" cards has their standout upgrade: 4070 Super = Substantial core increase for the same original MSRP 4070 ti Super = Nice bump to memory with small bump to cores for the same original MSRP 4080 Super = Big price cut with a modest bump to cores Greatest thing about the 4080 Super is it will force AMD to lower the 7900XTX pricing and the 4070 Ti Super will most likely keep those chronic "sales" on 7900XT cards into a more permanent state. 4070 Super is my pick this generation for Nvidia Bang:Buck. 4080 Super now makes more sense and is "less bad" This. I got mine a few months later and a full year later it is still providing top tier gaming performance.

You shoulda snagged that 4090 FE I had back in July that was brand new and sealed before I returned it to BB. 🤣

If you're fine with any model, just be up in the morning and you will definitely get one. Don't go for expensive garbage (I'm looking at you Asus). Just grab a decent $999.99 model. 4070 Supers never sold out on Best Buy outside of the FE and maybe one other model. They've been available since day 1. If you want the FE? Definitely be up and ready and maybe keep track of a stock watch page. Make sure to go Best Buy so if you find it isn't worth the cost vs your 3090 (assuming you haven't sold it) you can still return it. Shhhhh, no you don't (with an Obi-Wan Kenobi hand wave). 🙂 I always look to you to grab day 1 hardware from Nvidia and Intel and see early results. Don't let that pesky myth of a hardware problem get in the way! 🤣

Ditto, my plan is to snag @tps3443 14900k SP107 when he's finished with it and no longer priced in the stratosphere. 🙂

You have NO idea....lol. I've been on eBay since 1998 and we could sit and have a few pints and I could regale you with just about every type of horror story as a buyer and a seller. I try to explain everything as much as possible in my T&C so there is no confusion and some buyers STILL don't read and ask questions or get mad and I usually say, "everything you asked is in the T&C" and then I get back a, "Ohhh.ok....if I had known I would have (Insert reason here)" But you DID know *IF* you read the T&C...... It takes one minute to boot and I only turn it on once per day so I'm ok letting it do its thing. The only time it is really a pain is when I'm messing with clocks/memory and there is that 60 second delay on boot but then you would kinda want it on then so.....yeah. Here's something scary for all the losers swapping out parts/modifying 4090s and taking their cores, etc.... This buyer is obviously a bulk/returns buyer who bought a palette of Amazon returns/dead items but still...

Looks like it is sold to @spit051261 over on the OCN forums. Just waiting for PayPal to clear the air on this International sale (He's in Australia). I have one other buyer potentially lined up too but he's in Hungary with 2 posts over there so I'm not exactly jumping through the hoops for that one. I prefer state side sales though. Just easier overall when able or sell to those I know. Those always override any other buyers if you're all interested.

Ah, that might be the equivalent of the Asus command. I'll have to check and see if it is on or off.

That made me chuckle. 🙂 I agree. Outside of RT and some QOL Nvidia advantages, if pure raster is your game, $450 for a 7800XT is definitely the smart buy. I'm the same guy who knows he's going to be a glutton for punishment and when the 4080 Super drops and the 7900XTX drops to $899 or less, I'll end up shoving another 7900XTX in my cart (XFX first time, MSI second) and tell myself, "third time is the charm!" 🥲

True, but I always find listing on forums nets me less as the buyer pool is smaller and they are much more, um, frugal with their funds expecting some hefty discounts so it comes down to listing on eBay or listing on both. This is the 7800X3D setup I sold here for 789.99 + S&H no GPU. I listed both my motherboard setups on eBay for $100 more than the forums to offset the ebay fees and buyers will also have to pay tax on top of that. The more I'm thinking about it, I'm really tempted to swap in the MSI 13900ks setup for the Asus Z690 D4 12900k setup on the wife's desktop. I'm going to mull that over the next several days. 4060 is just not a good card if you're trying to push anything modern with decent settings these days. Sometimes it is worth it to pay a little bit more and get a much better card which the 7800XT is both in horsepower and Vram.

It's all good brother. 🙂 I have it listed over on OCN and on fleabay. I'm kinda tempted to swap the 12900k in the wife's system with the 13900KS and sell that and the MSI and memory or pull her Z690 Strix D4 w/ 32GB B-die and 12900k and sell that and swap in the MSI setup just to keep it in the family for future considerations.

Finally qualified, requalified and then moved my X670E Carbon from the test bench back into the big rig and pulled the MSI Z790i Edge. Unlike with the 7800X3D, I'm running the 7950X3D with the offset AC LF II 420mm mounting vs the EVGA CLC 360mm. As for my 7800X3D, I had enough components to put together a very nice 7800X3D rig that someone snagged on eBay. I've been doing more testing between the 13900ks and 7950X3D (I had amassed a lot of data the last few weeks on the MSI Z790i + 13900KS setup w/ tuned 8000 memory) and the AM5 rig consistently and brutally beats it in Fallout 76 both avg and 1% avg. In the most problematic spots in Fallout 76 for testing we are talking 89fps vs 115fps because Fallout 76 loves that 3D V-cache. On the other hand, 13900KS rules the roost in WoW...... Having run the MSI Z790i + SP115 13900KS + G.Skill 8000 (@8000) for a few months now as my daily driver on desktop while I sorted out my AM5 motherboard issues, I have to say I was equally pleased with it too. Since I'm over the sff phase (a couple of trips with it let me know a laptop is there for a reason but that's a tale for another post), I'll be listing my MSI Z790i Edge + SP115 13900KS + 8000 32GB soon on OCN and eBay for $1000 for the combo I also listed my AM5 setup as one of them has to go (but I prefer AM5 this time around overall so I'd rather see the Intel items sell first 🙂 ). AM5 back in action!

Welcome to team Red? 🤣

Nope, your temps are just about right where they need to be with CB23 and especially with Prime95. I think you got a very decent 7600x with temps capping at ~80c on CB23.

I usually keep 1TB as boot and game drive and use externals for data archiving, but I finally reached the point where 1TB is finally feeling "tight" so I scooped up a 2TB 990 Pro on sale a few weeks back. This makes sense too. Where does Logging OC errors with ECC enabled end and actual memory degradation from OC logged errors begin? I'm leaning more forwards the former with the latter off in the periphery. 🙂

That makes sense as to why he wanted a copy of the infomap for the Suprim to rewrite his Suprim and effectively remove the error logs. My only concern would be reflashing your vBIOS might wipe the "error log" but the errors could still exist in the memory itself and will just be re-detected and logged eventually when running with ECC on. If that's the case, re-flashing would be a slimy way of removing the logged errors of remapped/bad/troubled memory modules before sale.....speculation of course. What happens when you flash back to the Galax? Remapping bad memory could be similar to remapping bad sectors. I can't see a scenario where performance would be hindered unless you full saturating the 24GB of vram and then it would have to be a scenario where small memory reductions actually make a difference.

I never even contemplated older M.2 Sata drives as I only use NVMe but I think AM5 doesn't support M.2 Sata so the motherboard would need a special controller/sub system to support them vs AM4 which could support either. Until you hit boost cap, AM5 will push as hard as possible till temps become an issue. Those temps do seem a little high as testing the 7800X3D (sold now) and the 7950X3D in my test case temps top out at 80c or below while hitting their expected scores or greater (~37k on the 7950X3D and ~18.5k on the 7800X3D). This was on an EVGA CLC 360. I haven't tested the 7950X3D on the AF LF II 420mm yet. Have you tried reseating / checking thermal paste application it a few times just to make sure? I didn't realize the 7600x consumed so much power under all core load. Does it do that when running something like CB23 too? My 7800X3D topped out at 90w while hitting ~18.5k. It is slightly better now than last almost 10 months ago as things have matured but I'm sure you found out that stock 4800 Jedec boots up pretty quick but as soon as you enable EXPO or custom frequency/timings retraining can take 20-30 seconds. Early on it took almost a minute on my setup. It was always a race between getting to boot screen or my display timing out with its 60sec timer built in.

tl;dr "Different strokes for different folks" 🙂

To me, the most precious commodity is time. It is finite and meant to be lived in the now as best as possible. You can perpetually compromise your current existence / experience (by choice and/or by circumstances) on all levels and that includes computing hardware. Technology continues to advance and for the price paid, you can perpetually be using and experiencing the very best offered as you cash in that finite commodity real time. Of course this is tempered with common sense and "you can't take it with you" vs "if you can't afford it, don't buy it" and make smart decisions. Will I need a 5090 / 8900xtx? Most likely not. Will I buy one? Probably. 🤑

I'll be curious to see what your report spits out (along with @Papusan and @Mr. Fox). I suspect yours will be clean as we don't do too much overclocking. LOL, in my defense I'm sure @Talon will be the first out of the block with a 5090! 🤣 Awesome bro, congrats! So what does the final desktop build look like now?