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Beautiful pic @Papusan! Food looks yummy too. 🙂 I always liked the 11900k frankenchip. If anyone is interested in a 14900KS, Alexandrus has 4-5 good ones up for sale (SP104 to SP110): https://www.overclock.net/threads/eu-i9-14900ks-sp-104-overall-118-pcore-76-ecore-77-mc-delidded-lapped.1810822/ I PM'ed him on a few of them that look tasty.

Maybe talk to Prema as he was able to make some major inroads with the BIOS on the NH55 working with @jaybee83. I'm not sure what's up next. Releasing the full fat 12900 definitely knocked a bit of luster off of the separation between the NH55 and other BGA laptops. Agreed on all points about the state of laptops atm. 😞 I have had over 10 laptops sent to me from Acer, MSI, Dell and Asus (in that order), and they all are basically the same approach. At least the Ultra 7 laptop Asus sent me has much better battery life than previous Intel T&L models. Oh, the Aliexpress links are still on the launch page for the whole replacement heatsink here. Unlike the PSUs, their prices have not really gone down.

Sorry to blow up your spot @anassa 🤣 They are actually these I have my buddy cutting down to fit along the small islands around the heatsink: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CTCL9QN2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I also want to try some other flatter designs along the pipes themselves for testing for a little more passive cooling so the fans and heatsink overall don't get so overwhelmed. I remember doing a lot of testing with my MSI MS-1722 QX9300 back in the day and it definitely helped keep it from going over the edge. I know the best move is to unhinge the wallet and order the much thicker and better one from Aliexpress, but I just can't justify $320-350 for it......yet. 🤣 Seeing the killowatt meter hit 200w+ just on CPU was definitely a, "whoa...." moment on such a small little notebook. I'd like to run some simultaneous tests but it won't be something stupid like furmark + prime95. I don't want to kill the darn thing! Remind me back in the day when we uncapped our i7-940xm in the M15x and it was pulling almost 200w running prime95 + furmark for funsies. I posted a video 13yrs ago for the forums on YT:

Besides @tps3443 and his 14900k, does anyone have a 13900k/14900k with a V/F point at 4200/4300 <0.970 or below? I've seen a few out in the wild and the lowest I've seen is 0.964. Starting the preliminary work for binning a chip for the NH55 laptop to add to my collection. 🙂

I still like to tinker with it plus it has really nice performance. I'm going to dial in the 3070ti next but really the best upgrade is most likely the aftermarket heatsink but they're still $300+. On the other hand, the 330w PSU is down to ~$68 so I might need to order one of those seeing as the CPU was pulling 200w from the wall all by itself. 13900k/14900k is the ideal end game but that aftermarket heatsink (or modified stock heatsink) would be near mandatory along with a chip that has a V/F curve at <0.970 at the 4300 point and hopefully not a bleeder and hot. Some more work on a good BIOS would be nice too but something tells me the Socket 1700 NH55 wasn't exactly a massive seller for Clevo. 🙂 Testing the same 12900k on a motherboard with cooling removed as an issue and locking in PL125w limits and DDR4 memory locked in at 3200 for comparison: EDIT: If someone is interested in a barebones NH55, there is one up for bid on eBay. PC Specialist model open box. Might be able to get it for a good price. This is the 3070ti model so top end: https://www.ebay.com/itm/335391388254

Welcome back bro! I saw your video the other day cleaning out your block/loop. 🙂

Ditto. I needed a few drives so I picked up some open box 980 Pro's for a fraction of the cost and full warranties. Until they can figure out how to get Optane level Random I/O+ on NVME, I'll stick with Gen3/4 drives.

Give the thread a bump Pulling 200w+ from the wall (Kilowatt meter) on a CB23 run before I start testing heatsink placements for some passive cooling.... Any updates @jaybee83 on BIOS thangs or holding steady atm?

It's your $$$ bro. If I feel ANY need to return an item, I do. Many moons ago I actually felt bad returning some items but then I realized money doesn't grow on trees and I want 100% satisfaction for big ticket purchases especially. Now you can sit back and decide what you want next if at all.

5700xt was that nice, well priced, calm before the storm of 6000 series. I used one for a year for 2560x1600 gaming and it held up very well for WoW before the engine revamp from Blizzard. If AMD needs a timeout again because Nvidia is just firing on cylinders atm, I get it. 🙂 I'm still waiting on a few parts to finish my daughter's Team AMD total rebuild with the Powercolor white 7900xtx. I ended up changing everything when all was said and done.

Finding that sweet spot for power limits especially on laptops is a good thing for the CPU and GPU I always lock my frames even on desktop. Thereis no reason to abuse the GPU for those massive spikes (and heat, pull, noise) and work for a consistent window of performance. For me it is ~144fps as my locked point even on this 240hz killer display. Best way to test air flow is to try your laptop with the bottom off and on to give you an idea of how much airflow is being compromised and adjust accordingly (IE, cooling pad for more forced injection or modding the bottom to allow more air flow). Yep, boost clocks aren't always the end of all even on desktop use especially if your being GPU limited in many scenarios. Those temps are very good for laptop use. Down the road, cracking it open and using PT7950 or LM will probably net you even better cooling along with maybe analyzing the heatsink and cross airflow to invest in some low profile heatsinks strategically placed for extra heat dissipation. e-cores are a tricky thing. Some games love them and other don't. Also see if Intel's APB software can be used to increase performance. Best to test with them off and on per game to see if it's worth disabling them. You may find down the road as you address hardware cooling limitations and UV table unlocks become available, you'll be able to boost performance as needed. A good 13900hx setup should be hitting 32k+ in CB23 but you can address that later if needed depending on needs/desires. If you're hitting 18k+ in TS and gaming with those temps you are good to go atm. And as always, if you're unhappy, be wary of your return window. 🙂

Take away from this video is the massive increases in performance AMD has brought to the table in two generations from the 3600 to the 7600 (along with the argument that 6 cores is the sweet spot for gaming):

If it's any consolation, massive gains are gone on the desktop too with AMD, Intel and Nvidia using dynamic boosting to allow users to get a massive amount of clocking out of their chips and allowing each piece of silicon to smartly boost as much as possible based upon cooling, power and silicon quality. What's the warranty on it? That's more important than many other factors. 🙂

You're getting ~3080ti performance w/ 4000 series benefits (DLSS, FG, etc...) along with more than enough CPU power. It can definitely do 4k but if you want to lock in 120fps you will just need to dial in your settings to find the perfect balance per game just as you would on a desktop. I had to adjust the wife's settings in WoW even for 1440p to keep her fps consistently above 100fps at all times on her 32" 165hs display. It is doable. Like I said before, when I was stuck with a 3060 and a 3070 between my 3090 FE and 3090 KPE, I just massively dialed down my expectations/settings and I was able to game at 4k but it was ugly and I couldn't wait for my 3090 KPE queue to pop so I could get one ASAP. 🙂 If you keep it, shed 4-5 of your other laptops and keep one that has perfect portability and your gaming monster, bank the $$$ and call it a wrap. It is a market reality and the masses have spoken. Most people do not want to lug around tanks or tinker with their hardware but they do want decent performance. They want to plug it in, boot it up and go and there's nothing wrong with that. Everybody's built different. Having tested several thinner and lighter gaming laptops over the last few years or so sent to me for evaluation from Acer, Asus. MSI and Dell/Alienware, I can fully attest to the fact they do start up, setup and work relatively just fine and can game right out of the box and for most users that is all they want to do. Everybody I know (or just about everybody) in normal day to day life just wants to flick a switch and go and that's ok. Just like some want to just get behind the wheel of their car and go and that's ok too. 🙂 For myself, I see immediate areas of overheating, overvolting, poor cooling implementation, bios restrictions, bad memory selection (horrific timings or only including one module), bloatware, restrictive software and more and I have to separate MY reality from the average users reality when evaluating them because it isn't realistic unless it is such a gross abuse of design decisions that I need to address it. I really lament the loss of choice in regards to having at least one or two tanks available for us who like both. 😞 Just give me a P870'esque chassis with a Prema level BIOS and modern desktop hardware along with MXM level options beyond Ampere and I'm good to go. I love binning parts and tinkering inside while spelunking around the BIOS to dial everything in as much as possible but that has slowly eroded over the years to the point of near non-existence.

Intel's design spec like AMDs now allows and encourages CPUs to run up to 100c and 95c respectively. Our job is to maximize the cooling solution (IE fix flaws off the assembly line and/or beef up the cooler) and tune a UV if able to extract maximum performance under that thermal envelope. 🙂 In terms of full control of our laptops out of box and allowed by the makers, MSI reigns supreme in their Titan series as it is basically their desktop BIOS on a laptop. Second is Asus as they do provide some control including a BIOS level UV but it is neutered compared to their full desktop experience. Some of the Clevo models do have modified BIOSes to a degree but anything post 11th gen X170SM/KM hardware wise is thin and light in design in comparison except maybe the Titan which is a behemoth. If it wasn't so darn expensive I would consider getting one but it is stupidly expensive It still comes down to are you happy playing with dialed down settings? If so, even a 3060 will get you by in most cases. I'm a glutton for eye candy and max settings. Others don't care and it's about playing and that's it. Most fall somewhere in between. That's a nice chunk of doubloons you splashed out for that laptop. If you're not 100% happy, return it and contemplate do you want to wait for another laptop or buy a pre-built or slowly start building out a desktop.

Uh oh.....Asus repair is now in GN's crosshairs....

Switching to LM or PTM7950 for the CPU along with a dialed in UV and you will be blowing past 30k on CB23. Your TS score is definitely better than a 10GB 3080 and on a 3080ti level. For perspective, your laptop is performing slightly better than my wife's desktop with a Strix 3080 10GB and 12900k and once you dial everything in and optimize the cooling, you're going to blow past it even more especially on the CPU.

However you look at it, it is a monstrous upgrade over your old laptop! Down the road, PTM7950 + tuning the voltages will net even more performance. Congrats!

Congrats! I had a feeling in the end you were going to go with a laptop as they really are your true love computing wise. I love laptops too just as much as desktops so I get it. 🙂 Post up full specs on the system, a pic of it and a Timespy.

It really is. I tried to make the math work to upgrade the wife's Strix 3080 10GB but as much as I "Beautiful Mind"'ed it, it just didn't make sense. 🙂 Yup, you called this out weeks ago. Even when working with SFF 13900ks last year, the logic was to enforce the limits before fine tuning with a UV to work with a 280mm and it was still hitting 41.8k no problem in CB23 with killer temps. I ended up enforcing ~400a 300/300 and that 13900KS ran so smooth on that 280mm in the small case and never throttled.

I'll second this @ryan . I also like that NZXT has much easier to access components (they're all basically off the shelf and usually their brand) and they have good airflow. Along with checking "Facepoot" (lol), don't be afraid to check eBay. Plenty of good deals to be had there too. I still stick to building out your own from scratch to really dial in what you want and hand pick your components, but if you're wanting to go pre-built, NZXT is not a bad choice.

It's scary how so many have lost the ability to agree to disagree and remain amicable. Identity politics and extremism on both sides hyper inflated by social media makes it rough waters out there and I've seen life long friendships disintegrate over politics and/or religion. I have numerous friends and loved ones on both sides of the aisle and watching some of their life long relationships with each other obliterated is disheartening. As for hardware, everybody has their own personal criteria and use cases. I do see your fervent argument @Mr. Fox about neutering BIOS because Intel messed up big time and were over zealous with their CPUs in the need to compete and clearly as data has gushed in, Intel sees a need to cap PL/AMPS because they were redlining their chips. I'm all for issuing bios updates that change the default profile to Intel's new recommended spec which is a massive nerf (125w/188w? Wow). What I do not want to see happen is an AMD hardline cap to voltage and allow users to OC as they see fit at their own risk. Imagine someone who dropped serious coin on binned chips and top end motherboards like Encores and Tachyons to purposely overclock suddenly having to make the choice of being capped at the bios level or never being able to update their bios to retain full control over their chip. Lastly, As we enter the end phase of Ada, 4090 reigns supreme but for me this cycle's clear price:performance winner is the 4070 Super:

utilized variable length stalls/cycles versus virtual pipelined instructions is my guess. AKA reimagining hyperthreading for more efficiency is my guess but we'll see.

I would go with something like this in the here and now: No GPU: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/h7szrv w/ PNY 4080 Super: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LcB8cH 7800X3D complete build out and all you need to do is add a GPU of your choice. Either a place holder or actually pick up a 4080 and the total cost is the same as a 4080 laptop but with much more zip, power and expand ability. Either way the base system is as good as gaming gets with the 7800X3D and it will be ready for Zen5.

I'll double down on this. AM5 or wait for Intel's Socket 1851. Socket 1700 is dead and AM4 is double dead (even if AMD keeps releasing silicon for it).