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Were you able to hit 8400 and 8600 for short term testing before temps became an issue? I do know the Strix board I tested briefly before (Z790i) wouldn't even post past 8200 while the MSI Z790i would hit 8400 and 8600 for at least posting with the 13900KS SP115. Ugh, Gigabyte.....no thanks. 🤣 I have yet to have had a good experience with a Gigabyte board from Z390 through Z590. Reading over the Z790i Ultra from them I'm not doing backflips....

Thanks! Funny, but I was just revving the engine to start to seek out a nicely binned 14900k/ks for this push for a 12.4L SSF as I want to try to "re-tame" a 14900ks with the EK Nucleus CR240 sitting on the shelf that I used with the 13900KS with zero throttling. I was kicking myself a bit because I had turned down an SP108 14900KS for $800 because I didn't need it at the time a few months ago and thought I should have picked it up just in case. Debating on picking up another MSI Z790i Edge or going with a Strix z790i for something new(ish) as I explored that Z790i Edge from every possible angle so no new ground to tread but I really love those boards. Amazon Warehouse has the Strix Z790i for $230 (normally $450) How far were you able to push the MSI Z90i edge memory? I was limited by my sticks at the time as tested across three systems, they just wouldn't do much over 8000 (G4 x670e, MSI z790i edge, G4 Asrock B650 2 dimmer) tested but could boot 8400 and individually 8600.

I would need the proper board and memory to really test it so I'll probably never know how high it can fly lol.

I DID snag it! lol! I couldn't pass up that price for an SP109!

True, maybe see if @tps3443 will lock his clocks to ~2200 (or what was his solid D2D OC on his KP 3090) on his 4080 Super and see how it compares to his previous 3090 results.

3090ti vs 4080 super. My original assessment stands. Raw power, the only real upgrade for a 3090/3090ti owner is the 4090. I suspect history will repeat itself for 4090 owners and the only real upgrade will be the 5090.

I always consider Sapphire for AMD cards. They really are the old school EVGA of the AMD world. It's usually Sapphire and Asrock now for card consideration unless you can find a killer priced variant like the Powercolor I picked up for $720 total to my door. 🙂 And he's right, anti-sag is a must for the bulky GPUs and hilarious the owner dropped a dumbbell on his GPU!That's a first! 🤣 NWR declaring the Sapphire the best version of the 7900xtx (timestamped) and overall I'd agree. I don't think he has done a Taichi 7900xtx repair.

Hopefully this one fixes the boot times from their last update..... I'll give it a whirl when it drops. 🙂 I don't run a 4060 or 4070 so.........yeah. 🙂

He has a decent amount of experience with LN2. Nowhere near on the scale of the true pros though. The immediate problem is the pot and surface coverage. If he had a better pot tailored to the 14900k, it would do better. His approach for the most part is sound. He notes the pot limitations early on in the video because the other one he wants to use can't clear the caps on the MB. The pot is not centered either. It is just not the right tool for the job. 🙂 A binned 14900k would help a bit too along with tuning the voltages in tandem to dial it in with the pot. Also throw in a need for an optimized W11 environment and maybe some RT runs for measure too. CB23 44,451 multi is not great at all....but always fun to watch.

I tried the Mushkin kit last march (2023) and it requires XMP / manual timings access and was only single rank for the 2x16GB kit. I ended up sending it back. I left a review on Amazon about it:

First thing I do after a clean install is delete defender and OneDrive from all my new installs on my personal systems. I have zero desire for either.

Ditto. I have no desire to upgrade my MSI board and it is running just fine atm (knock on wood). I'll be holding off till X3D so I'll get to get a taste of launch results from you and @jaybee83 at least. Task is irrelevant. What matters to you is what is important and if increased CPU performance is a metric of validity. You bench. It really has no real world, tangible use except its a leisurely pursuit of fun to push hardware as much as possible in your level of benching (above most, below LN2'ers) but I think you said it yourself that if you ditched benching because of shifting hardware market priorities by companies, you would most likely just run a turdbook as it is close enough for your actual D2D needs. Gaming (and a close second is compile times) is my priority in regards to computational power and if the CPU is a limiting factor / bottleneck, I will start to seek out upgrades to improve it. If I ditched gaming and casual overclocking, I would probably drastically downsize my computer hardware and effectively run on a turdbook too along with my Macbooks for work. 🙂 Coming from a B650, that will be a most righteous upgrade! Do you plan on upgrading to the 9000 series too? Agreed 100% and really liking the results on the DD CR360. So many were whining and going on about the hotbox / thermal nuclear status of 13th and 14th gen, but getting one tamed quite nicely in a 18.4L SFF on a 240mm CR240 and running full tilt no problem was rather satisfying and on that same MSI motherboard no less. 🙂 Equally satisfying was taming the X170SM/KM w/ 10900k and 11900k and the NH55 w/ 12900k too. There's an equal satisfaction getting hardware to run well in small form factors as there is having full wide open spaces and hardware and pushing it without restrictions. At least to me there is. I actually picked up one of these for more SFF (open box for $90) adventures going from 18.4L to 12.4L in an even smaller and tighter space. What is the volume size of that case? It kind of looks like the volume of an NR200MAX

I'll be real curious to see the entire breadth of benchmarks for the 9950x. We know it won't be as fast as the 7800X3D for gaming but in other memory intensive tasks, I'm real curious to see how much improvements they've made with the IMC to take full advantage of that memory bandwidth meaningfully whereas the 7000 series can now hit 8000+, but outside of memory bandwidth benchmarks, we're just not seeing any real tangible gains and in some cases performance loss between G2 and G4 (which makes sense when you think at it). I'm definitely excited to see what it brings to the table and if a 9950X3D is in my future. 🙂 I'm equal parts interested to see how 7000 and 9000 perform on 600 and 800 series boards too and if there is any performance loss using a 9000 series on a 600 series board.

Bro that is awesome, congrats! ❤️

Whoa..... never saw that coming! But I kind of like it because they're not really established in the premier/OC space at all and he wouldn't have to fight the culture change to his vision at say Asus or MSI. "K|NGPYN" - I can see it now. 🙂 And if he is with PNY, my 5090 will be a PNY too.

Oh AMD.....why? *Downloads Party Animals* 🤣

This is the XFX variant and non reference design (3x 8 pin power connectors). This is a custom Merc card. Until he checks all the non reference designs for the same mask....well.......there you go. 🙂 I would be curious to see him check cards like the Nitro+ and Taichi for their mask designs. Also that crack on the PCB, yikes!

This is the way brother. 🙂 After the wife getting her own PC during the pandemic, building the secondary PC for my daughter to use and having my workbench case always at the ready for testing, I can't see not having multiple PCs going at all times now and all really at the ready test beds where gear and equipment will sometimes filter down. I love comparing myself along with reading everybody else's results. I always test bone stock everything and then start to tweak and OC while testing along the way to get a clear picture....oh and it's fun!

EVGA X670E Classified ES board....*sigh* what could have been before they basically abandoned their entire MB and GPU divisions.... 😞 https://www.overclock.net/threads/evga-x670e-classified.1811115/

Tuned 12th beat down 5800X3D. 7800X3D trumps stock 13th/14th gen Tuned 13th/14th gen can go toe to toe with tuned 7800X3D depending on games "Gear 4" on 7000 is basically a bandwidth e-peen contest at this point with no, real tangible gains on the level of Intel in the same boat. After testing those sweet 8000 sticks I bought from @Raiderman for a month I sold them as they really didn't do much in regards to tangible performance uplift in real world usage for my case usage. After testing both side by side for over a month (during and after I got my MSI X670E Carbon back from MSI for RMA), I was perfectly fine with either. Only thing was Intel sucked down a lot more power to achieve competitive results. Seeing as 9000 series as is won't beat the 7800X3D (Unlike 7000 vs 5000 where the 7600x is basically on par with the 5800X3D), I'll wait for Arrow Lake and the X3D parts to drop and hold steady while @Raiderman and @jaybee83 snatch up 9950X3D's to give us some up close and personal results especially as @Raiderman plans to uograde to an X870e Taichi along with it so I'm looking forward to those results. If down the road I end up getting a 9950X3D, I'm going to move my 7950X3D into my daughter's rig or upgrade the wife's 12900k rig. 🙂 That's exactly what I do. I go into the BIOS and turn off the non X3D chiplet when testing for gaming and sometimes for gaming outright because even with PL and GB, WoW will still drift onto the non-X3D cores and in raids and PvP, that induces an immediate lag spike/stutter. There is a part of WoW where you fly through a cavern and with both CCDs enabled, it stutters and lags at the very same spot. Enable only the X3D chiplet and there is no lag/stutter in that spot. I would very much like to see a 9950X3D with 3D cache on both CCDs as the rumors are saying AMD is bringing many refinements and enhancements to the X3D process this time around versus the "slapping it on" with the 5000 and 7000 series..... .....of course AMD also lead us to believe the 7900XTX was going to have double the count of CUs versus actually only having double the count of FP so we will see (I'm still salty about that lol)

Absolutely on the Taichi. I still find myself dropping it in my buy basket on newegg. If I didn't snag this Powercolor 7900xtx for $720 shipped complete when all was said and done, I would have grabbed one by now. I'm still thinking of selling the Powercolor and grabbing the Asrock Taichi 7900xtx white edition. 🙂 Looking forward to seeing some magic brother @Raiderman !

Well.....damn....... 🙂 If I did pick one up I'd probably move my 7950X3D into my daughter's system and replace her 7600x or upgrade my wife's 12900k to the 7950X3D. The "smart" move is to hold off and wait for Intel's new chips for comparison but I might "accidentally" click the order button....who knows? 🙈🙉🙊

You're very lucky. Luckily along that variable ~1.8v-6.6v range it settled somewhat in the proper range and you didn't torch it. I always keep one of these around for 1.8v programming:

Absolutely. I am a very big proponent of let others test version 1.0 aka beta testers. 🤣

There are pros and cons to new form factors but I like the idea of all cabling in the back and as long as Camm modules can hit higher frequencies (as has already been displayed) then I like the flatter, nicer look too. I'm all for innovation and pushing the industry forward in all aspects. 🙂 I fully embrace function AND form.