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Picked up a 1300w MSI MEG AI1300w PSU (LOL at the "AI" now included) from Amazon Warehouse for $142.00. Let's see how it is when it arrives Wednesday. I couldn't pass up that price. I ended up sacrificing my EVGA P2 850w from my work bench case to my daughter's system currently in build stage because the Powercolor 7900xtx was freezing/tripping the EVGA GQ 850w PSU when benching. I swapped it into my main rig for testing and it worked absolutely fine. I then tested it with the P2 850w and it worked absolutely fine. Back to the GQ 850w? Lock ups when benching. I plan on slapping the Watt Meter on it to see what it's pulling transient wise. For giggles, I tested the 7900xtx on a Thermalright 600w GX2 which is tier A rated and watched the entire system shut down over and over again on launch for Timespy. 🤣 I might swap my EVGA P2 1600w for the 1300w since it does have the 12vhpwr connector and would eliminate the tentacle from MSI with an MSI PSU/12hpwr cable run.

I can see their logic isolating and having targeted tests for the GPU and CPU individually, but depending on CPU it still carries some weight in the score at a certain point and should be reflected somewhere even if as a percentage. We do have to remember we are the drastic minority here in regards to what we do and what we expect out of our hardware/software. It is what it is. 😞

I really need to have a reckoning of sorts with my parts collection. I have stuff dating back to the m15 920xm still here and sandy bridge desktops. That is just the tip of the iceberg. We plan on having a secondary shed built soon and play the "Shed or Trash" game and I feel trash is going to win easily and clear up a lot of room. I literally have shelves and closets full of tech.... Looks very promising. Single core speeds >=14th gen and all big boy cores vs hybrid garbage. I do wish Intel could get their act together and give us 16 P-cores. If rumors are true and next gen AMD is looking to explore 24 and 32 core desktop chips, Intel needs to "get good" sooner than later. Ditto. I'm going to try and fight the good fight and wait for the 9950X3D. 🙂

Now that temps are back in sanity-ville, I'll be curious to see what the Aqua unlocked vBIOS does. Hopefully Asrock brings the heat with the board refresh to have a near complete "Temple of Asrock" type build.

Preaching to the choir brother! 👏🙏

This would be most welcome news. I can see with not only AMD chips (not sure why one wasn't made for the 7000 series) but especially Intel's Ultra/AL line up returning to some voltage sanity we could see a few models. I'm equally curious to see if it would be a hybrid like the NH55 or one with interchangeable graphics as well.

Ahhh, good memories. I lost count how many times I used mine for P870x and P775x clevo laptops and MXM cards especially with Dsanke which basically was, "roll the dice on a CLI flash and if it doesn't boot, crack it open" My go to programmer was/is a Wingoneer along with one of these just in case of course This is the first time running into a major BIOS regression for me with regards to the boot times and no real tangible gains for current AM5 chips. 😞 I am almost 100% sure I will be skipping the launch 9950x and waiting for the 9950X3D.....almost. Do you plan on switching motherboards for the new chip launch of sticking with the MSI?

Yep, I was pretty sure it was accurate. 😞 7000 series are so sensitive with hotspot differentials it isn't even funny but once you have a good mount in place your hot spots will finally normalize in the 80s even for air cooling. Fixed and now your hotspots are right where they should be. Where your setup is going to shine is when you start to really push it and water comes into play especially with the unlocked Aqua vBIOS on what is, again, the very best PCB design for AMD with Asrock. Best results have seem to come consistently with PTM7950 both temps for core and especially hot spot. Just something to keep in mind. BTW, I finally flashed the newest BIOS from MSI and how is it possible boot times with memory context restore off has INCREASED from ~55 seconds to 90 seconds now with my tuned sticks? lol.... I don't mind as I usually fire up my system and then go make tea each morning but when retuning my memory to see if anything had changed for the better the post times are insane.

On 7000 series, there have been cases of massive differentials between core and hot spot so it can happen especially with water cooling that depending on mount/placement, can keep the core temp even cooler while the hot spot suffers. That is also why I asked if you used PTM7950 on it because for GPUs and especially it seems form 7000 series, it can really help correct the wide chasm that can pop up between core and hot spot temps.

Whoa 111?, that hotspot is one thing holding you back. Even on air, that should at most be in the 80s if done right. On water even with clock pushing low 90s at worse. None of my 7900xtx's I tested (XFX 7900xtx, MSI 7900xtx and now Powercolor 7900xtx) topped out in the 80s at most. When I get this mess of hardware re-assembled I'll retest. Did you use 7950, LM or thermal paste? This. Unfortunately AMD has really started to adopt Nvidia practices instead of being different which doesn't help them considering they're constantly lagging. 😞

I'd flash it. With that being said, have you definitively correlated boost thresholds and thermal throttling and/or power limits? You're hitting 3.2ghz in Wattman, but is that consistent? Scenario dependent? Momentarily just time to time? I've seen my lowly Powercolor 7900xtx boost to 3ghz but it's just vapors really because of power limits and cooling. You basically have a equal or better Aqua since the PCB is the same and yours is blocked just like an Aqua. One way to find out.

This would be a nice comparison. With and without chiller too would be nice to have a complete set of data in both states.

I'll have to give it a run once it's up and in running condition. Bad argb hub and bad PSU stalled the build.

Vulkan definitely makes a difference and blocking it always helps (look at those flat lines! lol). Let's see how much more the chiller helps on top of the custom water to really push it. How did DX12 hold up in comparison? Has anyone tested Steel Nomad with scaling CPU clocks to see how much CPU contributes since it is the "successor" to Timespy where we at least got individual scores and a combined score?

I tend to think you're a good guy who rolls with the punches bad or good with a smile and sees the best in the hardware you test. The Silicon Overlords reward you thusly. 🙂 Odds of scoring better than an SP108 randomly are low, but with your luck you never know. If you manage to land a random SP110+, you are truly blessed! 🤣 Did your purchase come with the free Star Wars Outlawz?

Nice! Not golden, but definitely WAY above average, congrats! On your setup lidded, it will be interesting to see how close it is to the "Junker" SP99 you're testing out atm.

Oh, might be a banger! Post the V/F and MC shots. 🙂

Stock run no OCs on anything and on my bloaty install with browser and stuff running..... (Set the baseline as low and bloaty/non OC as possible): https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/111942073

Make sure to turn that garbage OFF (from my settings) as it defaults to on of course. Insane. This and other things should always be opt in. There needs to be laws on book that everything has to default to opt out and an end user must explicitly select to opt in.

$700-800 on fleabay is what they go for routinely especially with 32GB of memory but you know if you want to work a trade of sorts......wink wink. nudge nudge. 🤣

After having upgraded my daughter's and nephew's systems, had enough components to slap together a little Fortnite monster in a new budget Raidmax case (with peel still intact 🤣) Asus Prime B660 D4 12400 3060ti 16GB (RGB) or 32GB (non-RGB) of G.Skill DDR4 500GB of scintillating storage GX2 600w PSU Raidmax RGB case This one will be going up on FB and eBay My daughter's system is slowly coming together as I'm taking my time and hand selecting all the components but it is definitely an ode to AMD from top to bottom unlike my desktop color scheme that now reflects AMD (CPU) and Nvidia (GPU) with new colors from my standard purple for everything (with EVGA cable tie since I'm still running the 1600 P2 from EVGA).

4080 or 4090 laptops are pretty slick and pack a punch. Imagine walking around with a 4090 laptop with the power of the last gen $2000 3090ti under the hood. I fancy the MSI Titan, but that price...... There is an Asus G18 13980HX + 4080 for sale open box close out at our local BB for ~$1500 I keep telling myself I don't need to go round 3 with Asus and the G18. As for moving away from DD, is that why you're selling your R batch and just going back to a standard OEM lidded chip to avoid the hassle and issues? Do you regret delidding the R batch? I was re-watching your video on the tubez here: I can see where you need D2D reliability and your chiller can really tame a stock OEM chip that DD can be a hassle. I'll inbox you to talk about it and pricing.

Ah, thanks for the clarity bro. Do you have a link to the video and Taobao? I can update the launch page. Just read it. Nice write up! Looking forward to some pics and more inside spelunking along with optimizations to see what you can extract from it.

Nice write up! I l really do want a Titan but that price point is insane. Would love to see a real side by side comparison with a Titan to see what you're really getting as it looks like they use the same MB minus an m.2 slot, vapor chamber and maybe some external aesthetics/ergonomics?

Do you have a link to the YT video? Please clarify. 🙂