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I'd like just the display itself to take along with a laptop or SFF. They can yank all the other stuff out of it.

lol, yeah, I cancelled it after talking to my wife and really thinking if saving some $$$ was worth the downside for the next few years when I am 100% happy with the Astral (besides the price of course 🤣). I actually spent considerable time on BB looking at cards and then MC and NE and seeing the various levels of savings vs worth the potential issues and would I be happy with it weighing the pros and cons and each time was a no and so here we are. I could be equally happy with a Suprim I think, but they're so close in price what's the point and there's a chance it's a dud and/or has coil whine..... My wife knows me better than I know myself and at dinner we talked about it again in detail. And in her final words, "From what I heard tonight, there is like zero chance this 5090 is going to be anywhere near as good or well built or perks filled like your 5090 now and you've said numerous times your 5090 is perfect like your 4090. so I think this is stupid and you are going to regret it over $800 which is really nothing overall over two years. Either keep it or return it and use that rodeo (Radeon lol) thing and pass the rice." ------ True, the Windforce tier is one step below the Gaming OC tier. The Aorus Master level is where Gigabyte really starts to step it up a level. The price:performance level of your 4090 was great. Once costs get down to a certain point, you can start to say, "Well, I'm ok with this and that." I remember you weren't doing backflips over its clocks. FE build quality is lights out, period. It is streamlined and elegant. I have always loved the look and feel of the last three generations of FE cards. the 4090 FE was just a monster slab of beauty and the 5080 / 5090 FE is a compact eye catching engineering beauty too. Even Steve at GN lavished a ton of praise on it. It's gonna be painful watching you tear it apart, but it's worth it for the results. 🤣 Once you start pursuing quiet computing, it is really hard to go back to noisy setups outside of pure benching for a few minutes here and there. My system is absolutely whisper quiet during normal use and gaming I can have the speakers on low and still not hear my system.

All that is guaranteed (assuming compatibility) is what is stamped on the boxes regardless whether it is memory, CPUs or GPUs. For memory, you have to toss in MB compatibility and IMC along with other things on top of it. But yeah, when I grabbed some Patriot 8200 kits before that couldn't even do 7800 TM5 30 minute let alone 90 or Karhu on my SP109 + Asrock Z790i but turned right around ordered TG 8200 that worked no problem up to 8600 and could post 8800. Same problem binning B-die sticks too especially when it gets to voltages and timings. Same kits but others could go well beyond the others. Crazy. But good set of data to chew on! Glad out of all of that a set emerged that could do 8000!

Yeah, going for best bang:buck, but my wife legitimately had me cracking up over our morning coffee/tea. "I ordered a different cheaper 5090" "The GPU thingy?" "Yeah" "Why?" "Because it will net me the bulk of the 5090 at almost $800 cheaper" "So less than the cost of us going to Disney for one day in February?" (I can sense where this is going) "I guess so..." "And what if this card isn't 'perfect' like the one you have now as you've said a few dozen times" "I'll return it..." "and keep the the current one?" "Prolly or try another and I'll have to return it by then so it will be gone" <Audible Sigh on her part> "What?" "Can't you just enjoy it? You're like the most financially responsible person I've ever met even to your own demise" "Huh?" "Because if you end up having to return it during your 'Let's make a Deal!' swap fest, what if you never get another as good as this one? Am I gonna have to hear it on the regular?" "Prolly" "Just keep the damn card. Please. You even said in a few years you'll be able to sell it and get back everything most likely" "It's called an Astral by the way..." (in my snootiest voice possible) <Slow Eye Roll> "Why the eye roll" (We're both starting to crack up at this point) "Because you lucked out, first time, on this GPU thingy" "An Astral" "An 'Astral' (with finger quotes) that as you put it is 'firing on all cylinders' (more finger quotes) with zero problems and you're going to jump through hoops over $800 to chance receiving a not so good card over and over again if ever again?" "Yeah, but $800....." <Slow sip with eye roll and sigh> <Laughter for the next few minutes> She is right though. I'm going to try ONE Windforce since it is the cheapest one on the market outside of the FE but a traditional AIB model and I will have time to try and return it before I'd have to return the Astral. I have zero complaints about this Astral except the price and I do get her reasoning. 🤣 Clocks high High voltage max (1.110) Does +3000 Build quality is lights out love the aesthetics (understatement) runs quiet low to no coil whine (have to have the room dead silent to find it even the gpu fans) real time per pin monitoring High voltage waiting for an XOC leak Chonker heatsink shown to be able to handle the XOC bios quite nicely for some use Just hate the price. Yeah, the pricing is still high here but cards are coming into stock much faster across the board and staying in stock for many models (I'm looking at you PNY).

I just pulled the trigger on a Gigabyte Windforce 5090 for $2639.99. If it turns out to be a decent card (IE no or low coil whine which is all I care about really), I'll return the Astral and pocket the ~$800 difference as for what I do it will get me what I want and slap that $800 back in my pocket. It's priced closer to an FE than an Astral. Astral is a monster, don't get me wrong with a top Voltage range of 1.110 and satisfies every thing I could want in a 5090 except the price. If everything works out as planned, if one of you (this thread only) wants it for exactly what I paid ($3582.59) + S&H, let me know else back it goes by next Sunday no harm; no foul. I won't sell it on OC. I'll just return it and avoid the headaches from over there. I'm also going to be testing a few sub $200 budget x870 boards and maybe selling off the Crosshair too while I finish setting up these two other systems to sell off a bunch of my other parts laying around. Time to reel this ship back in a bit. 🙂 --------------------- Yeah, I double checked and it is 100% compatible so most likely identical PCBs but better cooling on the elite. It doesn't list the normal 9070xt gaming though which is odd unless there's a difference between them. I do have the OC though. One down, a few more to go. They will sell. It is just AMD is "hot" right now and moves much quicker, but outside of a few grossly overpriced samples, the 13th and 14th stuff does move and your chips are priced nicely.

Playing some WoW switching between the Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070xt and Astral 5090 still seeing if I could get by with the 9070xt to tide me over as my primary GPU and wait on a cheaper 5090 and return the Astral (I have till the 3rd) and some of the newer areas the performance difference is just savage. In many of the areas out questing and doing dailies, I'm getting 70fps with the 9070xt capped at 99% even on a 12700kf and in the same exact area on the Astral 5090 with a 9800X3D tuned up I'm getting 186fps and 93% utilization. Just brutal stuff like this happens all the time in open areas playing and questing. I routinely look up at the OSD and the 9070xt is huffing and puffing at 99% with sub 90fps and the 5090 is wanting for more sitting at 50-60% utilization at 120-130fps+ looking at the 9800X3D going, "common bro...." Whew, that moved quick! Quick sale on AMD stuff these days but Intel stuff, even the 14th/13th gen goodies, lag. Who wudda thunk it? I think it is AMD being overall the better choice to many, degrading fears and many do not want delidded CPUs for their use (maybe warranty fears). At a certain price point, many buyers are just going to pick up a 9800X3D/9950X3D or go buy a boxed CPU unless the SP is really good. As always, eventually buyers will mosey on by..... Will it fit the Gaming OC line too? I agree on the temps. 9070xt is a hot and heavy beast including Gigabyte's cards. Memory and hot spot temps are crazy hot. Both I've had and have ran/run pretty toasty.

Ditto with my main rig card, but you water cool the CPU or AIO? You know what, just slap up a refresher pic of your rig.... 🤣 w00t! on the 8000! on a 2DPC x670e board, that is a massive win!

Very nice! Top three on air....boom! I'm pretty sure @jaybee83 doesn't watercool his cards. I think I asked him before and the answer was no.

As a checksum, I would pick up a 1dpc board from Asrock (or similar, rated at 8200+) for testing everything memory wise unless you've come to the conclusion your MB is limited to ~7600/~7800 and or CPU? https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162201?Item=N82E16813162201 This is what I did with my Carbon x670e to figure out what was truly giving up the ghost and to know where my topped out vs CPUs and kits of memory.

Watching the XOC bios pulling 950w+ on an Astral cooled by De8auer's block.... No real need for CAMM memory outside of potentially more exposed area to cool better.... Crazy builds....

Holy $&%^&!! Yeah, that's bad. That's 3090 FE level right there just missing a slightly higher pitch.... I can run my Astral full OC, no door, 238fps capped for my display and barely a whisper out of it. That Aorus would be returned so fast... So in the end, how did the boards rank for both CPU and memory OC's? Apex vs Gene vs Master vs Taichi vs MSI vs Elite? This happened to me during the 600 series cycle. Those two Asrock B650 boards OC'd much better than the MSI Carbon and Hero I tried testing my original 2x16GB 8000 G.skill sticks. They clearly made improvements on the 800 series as this Hero had no problems hitting 8000+ with these TG 2x24GB sticks. I think I topped out at 7600 on the x670e Carbon and 7400 on the Hero while both those Asrock 1DPC B650 boards both hit 8000. CENS wins the OC competition at Computex.....

In my defense, I DID pace myself over several months.... ....but.... .....yeah.... 🤣 I'm probably going to order a few more since I've sold off all my weaker sets and my last set of 6400 sticks is going into a system of other parts to sell off (12700kf, 3080, 32gb 6400 ddr5, etc...). Right now, I'm fighting the urge to pick up a 9950X3D to properly take advantage of 8000+ with the dual CCD..... True, I've sometimes picked up multiples of whatever I'm testing/upgrading in the moment....

Whoa! Go big or go home! 🤣 I've tried about 6 kits now and while XMP only kits worked a lot easier on my MSI and Asrock boards than Asus, I did find EXPO/XMP cert kits were less problematic on the Hero overall. True, I think all of us in here manually tune our memory and CPUs. Double check Asus NA warranty and make sure a product in Canada can use Asus warranty in the States. He hasn't opened it yet, so you have no idea what bin is in there. Astrals can be duds too topping out at sub 1075 or the rare chance of not hitting +3000. As we've seen some can not even idle check at >3300. I, personally, would have him open and test/verify the card with results before doing anything. @tps3443 has a decent sample on top of that IMHO that has a healthy 1075 top, idle checks to 3400+ and can hit +3000. Nevermind the potential coil whine (not sure @tps3443 cares about that). And in NO way am I biased and want to see an FE properly blocked, chilled and shunted....nope not at all! 🤣 No siree!! 🤣 Only unknown on @tps3443's sample is the coil whine, but just about everyone I've crossed paths with sings like a canary >150fps+ but we all know I'm extra OCD about coil whine....

I know with my bud's setting fans at various speeds without it being under load only resulted in just the sound of the fans. I confirmed it with my 5080 FE in testing. But when under load especially >=150fps, his card went wild with the coil whine and that weird sound while my 5080 FE was quiet except for the fans. Not that this negates his particular 6000 sample from potentially having defective fans, but the noises you can hear weren't present on either of our cards with fans at 50->100 manually. Anecdotally, I actually like the fan noise of the FE series. Only problem is because of the smaller heatsink overall, the fans can and will spin up from heat soak so there is no real, true 0RPM mode like on the AIB chonkers out there.

Coil whine and that weird electrical noise. This is like my bud's 5090 FE exactly except frame / load changes would seesaw and scale up and down. Still not as bad as my 3090 FE. You could give me a 5090 FE or one of these 6000 cards, and if it sounded anything like this, it would be insta sold and marked as pure trash in my book.

The end game is obviously a system that looks like it stepped right out of Cyberpujnk / Blade Runner with every component neon lights 'esque lit up. Was @prema able to actually enable 13th gen and/or 14th gen support on the NH55?

Nice custom builds including Deltamate Astral Block on a pretty sick build (timestamped) at Computex: I just watched this and I expected worse to be honest. 8GB is trash overall, but it had the best cost per frame and was beating the 4060 pretty handily. "3070 with a 40% discount" lol If they had offered it with 12gb of memory it would be an acceptable $300 card but the problem is going to be the 9060 XT 16GB at $350.

Plenty of 5090s available at MC now along with Newegg (which is still only selling Suprim's in combo BS)..... Even a decent amount of 9070xt's including the Taichi I originally wanted at an already inflated launch MSRP of $729.99 but it is now officially $850 and basically DOA to me at that price point. Considering the 5080 die is full fat, the only other option was a new die, severely cut down 5090 die or as was predicted with all the overclocking and tdp overhead on pre-existing 5080's they were going to up the power package and slap on 3gb modules vs 2gb modules and probably charge at least $1200 for it MSRP if there's an FE of it..

Load up HWinfo and/or GPU-Z along with MSI AB when running and see how much the card is pulling under load both Timespy and Steel Nomad. You really shouldn't have to undervolt your 4080 in any way for it to operate normally. I'll assume you have tried a clean Windows install or at least a DDU and graphic driver re-install.

I just finished watching this and wow.... Just when you think Nvidia can't get any scummier, they find a way. They really have lost their way as a gamer, enthusiast, consumer friendly maker of GPUs. Each and every cycle they keep trying to find ways to freeze out enthusiasts, push a narrative counter to what enthusiasts want and need and have just become a sad shadow of what they used to be and mean to gamers and benchers. Make your products, distribute them to reviewers and let the chips fall where they may.... They are Intel circa 10yrs ago. Dominant, arrogant and trying to control every narrative including creating branding partnerships and either bribing or threatening OEMs to only include their products when able to do it. They are in a position now that they NEED to keep being on top decisively because the moment they slip, they will get AMD'd like Intel did. Ironically, Intel is making inroads in the low end market and AMD is actually doing damage in the middle. Consumer opinion is starting to sour just a bit too.

Yeppers, HWU is correct. "As it stands now" aka with the inflated prices on the 9070xt (not MSRP) and scarcity, the 5070 is the better buy because pricing on the 9070xt atm is outlandish. No one should ever pay more than $700 tops for a 9070xt or it quickly loses its value. I mean, I'm glad people continue to buy it in the face of Nvidia, but that doesn't change the value proposition. If you're dropping more than $700 or especially $800, start looking for a 5070ti or queue up for a 5080 FE.

No, that's not how it is. Every card has different levels of coil whine and electronic noise. Some are loud and some are quiet bordering on non existent. Some are medium. WoW / Fallout 76 / Timespy testing I run my case completely open and as you know it sits up and right next to me about three feet away from my ear. My Astral is quiet even when hitting 238fps cap (display cap is 240hz) in WoW, Fallout 76 at 175fps (engine cap) and TS testing. Second Astral I tested and sent off to my bud had audible coil whine at 100fps and worse at 200fps His 5090FE was very audible and loud at anything 100fps+. 200fps+ was a very audible. Not 3090 FE level but leaning more towards that than anything Both of my Gigabyte 9070xt were quiet which was an about face compared to 7900xtx. My 4090 MSI Liquid X was very quiet under load sub 200fps. 200fps+ it would come to life. My 5080FE was nearly dead silent and remains the quietest GPU I've tested at 200fps+ Every 7900xtx I tested besides the MSI was loud. 3070 Founders was very audible closer to the 3090 FE. 3070ti Master was quiet 3080 Strix was actually medium noise but acceptable. My 3090 FE was the worst offender. It still gives me coil whine PTSD. That is awesome! You managed to squeeze the Asrock Aqua 7900xtx vBIOS on your red devil? Nice. What do you get on a normal TS run to compare to my card results database?

Yeah, I was ready to slurp up all that headroom on the 5080FE then Nvidia said, "Nope." Quite frankly, I shouldn't have to shunt a card to get it to open up when an XOC vBIOS is available for non FE cards but I do understand the reasons. I also understand it will eventually leak. 🙂 imho, 9070xt and 5070ti at MSRP are the ultra banger spots this generation. USA is lagging, but other countries are already getting close to MSRP on a lot of their cards. 5080FE is a banger for $999. If the 5090FE had 100% performance uplift over the 5080FE, it would be a banger for $1999. If the Astral 5090 had a 150% performance uplift over the 5080FE, it too would be a banger 🤑🤣 Pick your poison.... 1,2 or 4 shunts. In for penny, in for a pound! Another YT'er who is being assaulted with the 5090 FE coil whine / electronics noise to the point he might switch back to his 4090. You gotta put yours under 200fps+ and put the phone up next to it for us to hear. I know it's possible as my 5080FE was dead quiet.

5080 Astral OC beating a stock 4090. Still no excuse compared to the 4080 flat out beating the 3090ti though. My results right out of the gate had the 5080FE within spitting distance of my MSI Liquid 4090 in WoW (~125fps vs 135fps) and the 4090 was overclocked in that scenario. This is a good overall 5080 vs 9070xt vs 7900xtx stock and OC'd video. I'm really liking this guy's work since he was in the sub 5k range subs. 7900xtx is still a beast of a card..... He likes Asus but readily says the pricing is bonkers.

Crazy to see you moving away from 1dpc boards to 2dpc boards and prioritizing other things now but it makes sense as you've divested yourself of a good chunk of your cooling equipment and migrated back to actual cases recently. The state of the computer market has me not feeling so zesty either. 😞 I suspect each cycle Nvidia will try their damn hardest to continue to lock down and out everything and continue to suck all the joy out of tinkering and overclocking as best as possible. This might be the FE bitterness speaking a bit though too. 🙂 He should at least try if he has a normal Astral. So he has both an Astral and that sweet voltage sample of an FE and not flashing anything to the Astral? Sheesh.