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Definitely on the 13900k front if the price is right. If you can snag one for less than $400 used, that would be the way to go. Even mid tier Z690/Z790 boards have beefy VRMs.

I know MSI gets a bad rap sometimes, but this is two items in a row recently (3070 and this) the RMA process was easy and straight forward. Turn around was ~14 days by the time I actually got off my duff and retested it to confirm to creating an RMA, getting approval, shipping it back to MSI and getting it back repaired. This update does specifically "Improve long boot time issue" which is really saying improves memory training and startup. I said as much in my review of it lol. Basically you won't reap the same rewards as Intel due to the better designed retention mechanism on AMD (it's one, solid unit and better built) and the uniform CPU shape (aka square) versus rectangle along with the much larger and beefier IHS that can resist more bending forces compared to Intel but every little bit helps and there's no denying it takes any uneven stress off the CPU. There's zero reason not to use one these days even if the gains are minimal for AMD vs Intel. I'm was still running the Beta from October when my MB failed. There have been three bios updates since then. Yup, but for X670e Carbon BIOS updates, one improves USB 3.0 compatibility and finally the newest improves boot times drastically in some cases for ram training on boot. Board has full MSI warranty. Worst case scenario, it follows the serial # and the warranty period is capped by a few months. Best case, you have a legit receipt from an authorized seller. MSI and Asus are the last of a dying breed that follow the serial none of this, "original, registered user only" BS. I registered mine, send a copy of my Amazon receipt and they accepted the start warranty period as of April 2023 (when I bought it). I miss EVGA, but MSI I think is my new, favorite motherboard seller followed closely by Asus. If Vince ends up at MSI, that would just lock it in. AMD GPU = Asrock, Sapphire Nvidia GPU = MSI, Asus (if price is no object)

Back from the dead! Decided to throw in a mounting frame this time around.....oh and a 7950X3D. Currently in the test rig to tune and tweak before potentially moving it back over and pulling the SP115 13900KS setup back out. Just in time for a new BIOS update @Raiderman (dated 1-5-2024)

I agree you just need to slow down and focus on the core components and take up @tps3443 on his generous offer. Decide if you want Intel (13th/14th) or AMD (AM5) then focus on the motherboard, cpu and memory right now. They are the most important out the gate. Snag a PSU and SSD from @tps3443...maybe even a case if shipping is much cheaper than buying a new case. BAM, your core system is ready to go. Then wait for the Supers to drop and prices to adjust accordingly post holidays and pick up a GPU.

I love what Intel is doing but for a primary/initial system I'd recommend Nvidia. Battle tested, mature and they are just the complete package. Definitely wait for the Super cards to hit the market but in the interim, you can build out the core system and have it ready to go when you settle on a GPU. And definitely do NOT get a 4060. Like @cylix recommended, 4070 minimum and wait at least a month (Circa mid February) to pull the trigger on a GPU once the Super dust settles. I was checking the prices on www.memoryexpress.com and they are pretty steep on their configurator. You would still be better served building out on your own, but I get the appeal of just picking your components and a shiny new PC shows up tested and ready to go. 🙂

Homage to EVGA. They must still exist as EVGA helped furnish LTT with some of the parts for this all EVGA build and told LTT PSUs are very much part of their now and future business model.

I like this version better: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Industrial-Portable-PC-Screen-Size-17_1600624524043.html?spm=a2700.wholesale.0.0.4d6e182dxZU5su Larger display and a flat, drop down keyboard instead of the keyboard being several inches off the ground. It is more expensive though. Either way, both need better air flow and support for at least a 240mm AIO to be truly viable.

That 10900k crushed all my other samples including my LTX Gold Edition and another 10900k rated at SP114. It runs so cool. Just a monster chip for the X170SM-G along with a brand new 2080 Super in there too! I wish Clevo would make another X170/P870 type chassis for 14th, 15th (future) or AM5. The problem would be MXM support for newest GPUs.

Sadly, it's true in the laptop space. The NH55 was the last stab at the old replaceable parts design with "only" the GPU soldered in. I've bought and returned two Asus G18s (13900hx, 4080) as you can't do anything with them internally really of meaning and they're built to just not be tinkered within. Every model of laptop offered this last year just left me sad. I'm still hoping Clevo or another company offers a true old school DTR with Ryzen or 15th gen but the market has shifted drastically for the worse. I was wondering what had happened with that 2080 Super! 😞 I think the 4070 Super is a great pick. It is getting the biggest spec bump from all the Super cards and even at $650 it will be a great bang/buck pick. Even before, the 4070 normal was a good buy and one of my picks along with the 4090 IMHO. That 4070 Super is going to wreck your GTX 1080 is all the best possible ways. You're right in regards to forward thinking and socket support with AMD but if you're truly looking to hold onto this system for the next 2-3+ years, why not go for an X670E? I prefer MSI these days and the Carbon or even Tomahawk would be a solid pick. @jaybee83 is running an Asus X670E. @Raiderman is running an X670E Carbon like myself. 7600x is a solid welcome to desktop land CPU leaving optimal room for growth. I take it with your memory selection you are fine with not pushing towards 8000? Personally I haven't seen any meaningful gains opening up another gear with AMD as the AM5 architecture is solidly built around 6000 and the IMC shows this when stepping up a gear opening up to 8000 and online results (outside of memory bandwidth tests). I wouldn't be surprised if their next gen CPUs take advantage of the bandwidth more like Intel does but for now, 6000 is the sweet spot. Maybe see where you can dial it in right above that but never below. Cooler wise, I am still running an AC LF II 420 and as good as my EK Nucleus was for the SFF adventures, the AC LF II is even better. You can't go wrong with it. For optimal cooling, the Lian Li Galahad II Trinity 360mm seems to be the top dog atm (there was a recall on the first gen model with pump issues) but I love AC all in one design with minimal wiring and no software needed at all for control. Just plug it into the CPU fan control header and go. Final bonus is how quiet it runs with those 140mm fans. PSU, I would normally recommend EVGA but after doing some forum surfing on OCN and EVGA themselves, no one can seem to get in contact with support at all. Tickets aren't being supported and they do seem to be dying. My next choice would be Corsair or Seasonic. Corsair for excellent support and Seasonic for superior PSUs overall. Every time I had any type of problem with a product (memory x 2, PSU x 1), Corsair RMA was painless and easy. Welcome to desktops brother! 🙂

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Ditto on both fronts. I also have a few back up M.2's and 2.5s for when I will need them. 🙂 That memory bus just kills it for the 4080....

What did the Z790 Apex Encore read for the SP? Sometimes older Asus chipsets aren't always accurate with newer Intel CPUs on the same socket. I know my Z690 D4 read my 13900ks all over the place but my Z790i Strix read it proper even with an initial launch BIOS (which I updated) and matched the seller's Z790 D4 board. Your Z790 chipset is the proper rating whatever it spit back. @tps3443 is alive and well over on the OCN forums. 🙂 Speaking of OCN forums, look at this monster 14900k:

Spot on post bro. I agree with every bit of it. The blessing and the curse of China though is like Japan many years ago they are grossly reliant on sustained output and exports. You can ever so slowly see the wheels turning for many countries who are exploring and implementing alternate manufacturing partners in other countries (India and Vietnam come to mind) to at least have backups when the shoe drops or start to move more production out of China. I expect an economical squeeze on China to slowly ramp up over the next few years on a much grander scale than what was done to Japan. Will it be effective? It depends on several factors one of them being worldwide corporate greed (including Nvidia) looking at the bigger picture and understand profits have a limit. Did you order two of them? According to the review, the listing is slightly misleading as you actually will only receive one heatsink in total with each side representing one of the pieces (hence, 2 pieces). They do look very much like the Byski ram jackets on the DDR4 I picked up from you a few years ago (which are still powering the Mrs. rig at 1:1 4133 on that 12900k).

Easy peasy, right in between the D and 4080 Super so a 4080ti with ~12416 cores and 20GB of memory on a ~320-bit bus for the low low price of $1199-$1399 (depending on final 4080 Super pricing) 🤣 Nice market for those AD102 GPU dies that are seriously defective too. Nvidia lets nothing go to waste. I wonder how many they've built up over the last 15 months......

It has the primary heatsink for the GPU and the CPU heatsink. No secondary heatsink for the GPU.

So great to see the Z690 Dark still shining and pushing really great speeds! I really wish EVGA chose not to throw the baby out with the bathwater and abandon both GPUs and motherboards. 😞

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Like @Mr. Fox said, just build bro. 🙂 Focus all that into making a killer build for yourself and then come here and post away with it and doing comparisons and benchmarks vs your laptops. That's the ultimate gift.

Did you price check their components on PCpartpicker to see if they are charging real market costs or did they jack them up a bit?

So I finally got around to hooking up the test Asrock B650M board I picked up for $85 from Amazon Warehouse. Good news is the board was basically brand new but had a damaged box. Hooked everything up in the test case. Bad news? Welp, it's not my 7800X3D as everything booted right up. I'm going to run some more tests but won't get a chance to break down this one and re-retest the MSI till after the holidays but all indicators are pointing to the MSI X670E carbon at this point as I ran, swapped, reseated and tested everything under the sun with the MSI before yanking it to swap in the 13900ks + MSI Z790i Edge. Slight cluster of discolored pins on the 7800X3D were just that.....in theory. Looks like I might get to take the MSI RMA train for a spin at this rate..... 🤣

$120 shipped to your door and its yours. Good barebones to add a CPU/GPU of your choice.

Happy birthday Bro! 39? Bah, still a young gun with plenty of life in front of you my friend. Yup, you called that one months ago and here we are! They could have saved a lot of $$$ and time (along with customer cards) by calling it early on. I'm glad both my CM EVGA cables had loose sense pins and would randomly just shut down so I could toss them and just use the MSI cable.

It is an major understatement when say I want Intel to massively succeed in the GPU space..... Watching them make such inroads from initial launch with the A380 I picked up on drop to the 2x A770s I've used is astounding with their drivers. Seeing their ARChitecture pay dividends for integrated to match and finally beat AMD is satisfying as they can start to encroach on AMDs hand held dominance and more.