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I saw this earlier. Basically AMD sweet spot (as reported even by AMD at launch) is ~6000. It can't really go over and under at 5200 it suffers serious performance loss. On the other hand, Intel beats it low, mid or high and can continue to scale up to 8000 and still experience performance gains (as indicated with the 7200 memory scores) further separating itself from AMD chips. I'm hoping X3D chips give AMD that punch they need like the 5800X3D did but hopefully we don't suffer dips when the cache was full/exhausted to the extent the 5800X3D can in certain scenarios. I'm thinking the 7800X3D is going to be the single chiplet killer of the group at a good price. You definitely made the right call keeping the HOF. I don't know who's more excited you or I lol. 🙂 Asus can kick rocks.

I'm stoked to see it in a fellow board member's hands and see it run through its paces! Between your HOF and @Mr. Fox blocking a Suprim X, lots of good info and pics incoming over the next several weeks. Situations like this are why I love this small group of enthusiasts.

3080 w/ 10GB was always going to be an issue for a card that can do 4k. I think i even mentioned it too on the NBR forums when I was quoting VRAM allocations with my original 3090 Founders. As for motherboard sales slumping.....I turn the mike over to @Mr. Fox Well said. Awesome @Papusan and congrats on the purchase! I think you'll be the first of this group with a real HOF class card from the last 2-3 generations so we can see one in actual use. Looking forward to pics, performance and opinions. Again, congrats bro!

With the return window still in play, I would have held onto it hoping to get another one in stock, compare the silicon and if needed swap the display. How was the coil whine? D2D said both models whined ( 4080 and 4090):

Hopefully the replacement is equal or better silicon and I agree with dead pixels. That's an instant return unless you can authorize a display swap.

Whoa, which one did you get? I was looking at MSI Titan i9-13980HX GT77 results earlier. That level of laptop performance is pretty monstrous and for better or worse the 4000 series GPUs are a much better upgrade this time around compared to 3000 series.

Nice! I might have to give that vBios a whirl. What was the GPU-Z sensor output on that Timespy run? Beautiful seeing the KPE Z690 hitting such memory frequencies. I wish it was just a bit cheaper or I would have picked one up. I almost did when they had a combo deal going and included a KB and M for $499.99 but with shipping I still couldn't do the mental math to "math it down" to $400 in my head. 🤣

Yeah ECC definitely lowers your performance. For D2D gaming and such it isn't really noticeable but for benching and every point counts? Yep......Good thing is it doesn't alter my D2D clocks but when pushing >+1500 it is having none of that nonsense. Have you tried an on the edge run knowing it will artifact with it on yet? Not sure why HWBOT is making it a requirement. Just make it optional and I'm sure no one will use it. 🙂

Good luck! All I know is if I had ordered only from Best Buy I would probably feel the same as @Papusan about MSI at the moment that's for sure. Good luck! Some set their privacy settings high on their profiles so unless you're a friend you really can't see much. Many do not like or want to be around firearms especially on someone else. For what should be a routine meetup for swap parts for cash or Venmo/PP, a gun would seem out of place. While it is good to let them know you actively carry, a legit buyer may take it as a veiled threat or intimidation. A bad actor will leave or just come with their own firepower / group. I grew up around guns hunting and range shooting so it would have meant nothing to me. I'd be more apt to ask what you're carrying and what type of holster you picked and why. 🙂 With that being said, continue to practice measures that make YOU feel safe. Facebook is one step removed from craigslist at this point. Nice! and once you hit 3000+ and +1500 mem you are suddenly going to be hard press to "fish" for better silicon seeing as even some Founders topped out at +1000 mem. It is a literal crapshoot.

Exact same way I feel about people who buy expensive cars, motorbikes, homes or take crazy luxury level vacations. I feel the same way about people who spend thousands a year on smoking or drinking. I also feel the same way about those who spend a crapton of money on golf clubs, designer clothes or jewelry. What an absolute waste and just plain silly. But that is their vice. 🙂 I look upon those who waste all that money on any of thee above the same way you look upon expensively priced GPUs. Fancy computer parts are no different. The common / frugal man can easily get by with sub $300 priced parts. The common / frugal man can also get by with an efficient compact car, a 1 bedroom flat (expand this as needed per child), no need for designer clothes, nice jewelry, motorbikes, fancy meals, luxury travel or more..... You drew your personal line in the sand and said, "this is what I'm willing to spend and what *I* think a GPU should cost" like me with motherboards. I just can't stomach paying more than $400 for a motherboard. I wish everybody would stop buying motherboards for >$400 because the pricing is getting out of hand but that's my own line in the sand. This hardline applies whether it is $401 or $5000 and yet I still get excited and happy to see other techies get this stuff and post results. The logic is simple: You want a 4090 The only viable models that meet your criteria were MSI Suprim and Asus Strix Your MSI was a poor sample so you returned it Now your choice is to try another MSI or wait for an Asus You've opted to wait to try an Asus The next question is, what if the Asus is a bad or worse sample? I'm very happy with my Suprim. looking at other people's results over the last several weeks, I realize it has abnormally high out of box boost clocks (2835) which allows it to overclock and game at 3120mhz with fantastic temps and no coil whine with fans on auto no less. This was solidified by the second one I picked up from Best buy (I dub thee: ClockFails Von Coilwhine) that in hingsight for clocks (having looked around at countless others running games and benchmarks) wasn't *bad* just that my first one from Newegg was really good. Memory clocks are right where they should be and above average overall at +1500 stable ~+1600 for benching compared to the trash heap that second card topping out at +700. You may have tried another and been very happy with it but that initial sour taste means Asus is up next. As for expensive GPUs, everyone has their vices. I have friends that spend 10-15k a year if not more on golf trips. Some spend 5-10k easily on fine dining. Others even more than that collecting top shelf liquors and cigars. Some continue to lease expensive, high end cars. Others pour 10s of thousands into their own car collections and motorbikes. Even some who pour 10-20k a year traveling for luxury.......not my cup of tea but I'm not the one serving or sipping it.

Did you try out the 1.07.06 BIOS yet?

Asus 4090 actually in stock at Newegg. OC edition. Only 90 have it in cart....nice to see. EDIT: 3hrs later and STILL in stock. I am sure it will eventually sell out, but 4090s are officially routinely in stock daily now at NE. Just depends on the models.

@tps3443 a couple of Z690 Unify-X motherboards popped up on B&H and Amazon open box for $350 each. I went with Amazon since B&H only had a 90 day warranty and couldn't differentiate between normal and grey market warranty status and easier return mechanisms in case there are problems with it. Should be here Friday.

This in spades. I haven't felt a "real" difference in SSD speed/performance on the desktop in years. I go for capacity and reliability/warranty these days too.

I have a set of beefy heatsinks sitting in the drawer for DDR5 modules already. I'll use them if needed but we'll see. Nice drop! Right now, I'm waiting on a good deal for a used Unify-X or open box/used Z790i Edge. I have the G.skill hit along with some generic M-die sticks sitting around waiting to be pushed. I want to see how quickly my 12900k gives up the ghost before moving on. 🙂 Ack the crocs and crazy loud cooling on an SSD? NOooOooOoo............... 😁

FN+D to clear or good old remove CMOS battery and battery and hold power for 30-40 seconds is next. Also try resetting and booting with one module.

Agreed. I ordered one of these over 4 years ago: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DZC36GY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 along with: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072KYK2DR/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 It has paid for itself over and over again and gives you a freedom to try certain things with the ability to recover. If price was no object, this would be a clear pick. $800? Yikes.... (Sounds ironic after picking up a Suprim X 4090...I know). I picked up a pair of G.Skill DDR5 7600 sticks (and a 3070 KO) from a local(ish) member on the ocn forums for a really good price. Met up with him Thursday for pickup. I'm starting the slow transition. I have a set of 6400 M-die sticks also primed and ready for a potential 7800X3D build out. I just want to keep the total cost of the DDR5+MB under 500. All I need to do is wait and snipe an Edge Z790i for $300 or less to meet that price point. I know my 12900k will tank way before the motherboard and memory ever will. I'll have to either accept it as is or fight the urge to start binning some 13900k/f/s chips for 7600+ IMCs. The news the newest BIOS for the Unify-X is giving @tps3443 8000 speeds is promising (and maybe lessens his hunger for a Tachyon and Apex?).

It is now the beginning of February... I said many months ago when many were lamenting the scalpers and scarcity of cards to wait for ~Feb 2023 for clarity and market conditions were nowhere near the same as during the CryptoPando times. It was just holiday/new product conditions. Checking Newegg, plenty of 4090s and 7900xtx's in stock now along with 4080, 4070ti and 7900xt's all at MSRP (select shipped/sold from newegg).

I'm on the hunt for a good, fairly inexpensive, DDR5 motherboard that can do 7600+. I was just going to snag an MSI Z790I Edge as it is certified 8000+ but if the Z690 Unify-X can do 8000 now (2x16GB) I might grab one of those instead used. I refuse to pay the outlandish prices for the Apex, Dark or Tachyon.

Is that your CPU temp during Heaven or running another benchmark? What were your GPU temps before the repad?

We're going to get hit with it tomorrow in NJ. It is already dropping outside (19f and falling)....

@ryan Here you go.....

Really looking forward to some blocked results versus MSI's Hybrid implementation. See how it stacks up (no chiller) versus your Hybrid vs blocked KPE 3090 runs (no chiller) in terms of cooling deltas then the chilled data.

Agreed. I ordered a cablemod 4-1 EVGA PSU adapter that arrived last week. Just need to get in there and install it but everything is tidy and cinched up atm...

Steve basically explaining CPU and GPU bound scenarios with data runs. i3-13100 is a little powerhouse!