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Ouch, well I guess you know why it was so cheap. Double check the serial and warranty info with Asus for confirmation. If it is a 2021 return it to the buyer. If it is a 2022, it is just you finally getting a taste of the silicon bad luck we all seem to hit with most CPUs off the shelf. 😞 I wouldn't wish that on anybody. If the traces were sound but the OC was lacking, I would have taken it off your hands but if it is borking out at 7200, that is a hard pass. Seriously though, do a warranty check with Asus to confirm the production year and then figure out what to do next.

Might be the board itself? Check to see what else everyone is achieving on 2022 Apex boards >5.8ghz. If they are doing good, time for an RMA. If not then sell it off. How is the memory OC on it versus your Unify?

If this turns out like the 5800X3D vs tuned/un-tuned 12900k, a fully tuned 13900k will still beat it outright but for PnP simplicity, the 7800X3D will be better for gaming overall.

The MSI boards (and even laptops) had my favorite BIOS right after EVGA. My ranking of favorite BIOS: #1. EVGA #2. MSI #3. Asus #4. Asrock #5. Gigabyte When I ordered a few sets of memory from Corsair one shipped right from China and another from USA. When I had to return/RMA a set, it was USA based. Full Path Tracing is "end game" for rendering and the ultimate goal even decades ago when we were full blown away when we could spend minutes rendering a single frame of ray tracing on Macs back in the early 90s. Now we have real time RT and soon (1 or 2 generations) we will have real time RT as fast as raster is today and PT will be the new RT but everything is moving towards real time PT. This is how the industry moves forward. I remember distinctly when I moved to EVGA boards how I was able to extract a bin or two. I know my MSI Z490 and Z590 boards outclassed my Asus and especially Gigabyte boards. I rocked a couple of Taichi boards before too. Didn't hate them at all but when pushed they weren't as stable as the top three. I definitely liked the MSI Z690 Unify-X I had. Only reason I returned my Unify-X was because my 12900k topped out at 7400 and performance was at or lesser than my 4133 DDR4 G1 setup on the Strix Z690 D4 I've been rocking since December 2021. It was either pony up another 500-600+ for a 13900k on top of the $250 for memory I spent and $350 for the motherboard or just return the motherboard, sell the memory at no loss and wait saving ~$1100. I'm flat out skipping the 13900k and waiting for the last RPL refresh this fall to potentially upgrade one last socket run or switch to the 7800X3D depending on results for my games.

You're not alone. Taking the bulk of last gen's top end raw performance (3090ti) and having it in a relatively thin and light laptop for 1080p and even 1440p gaming is pretty substantial. You can pick nits over "But but but bandwidth! and where's muh 24Gigzzzzz" but the bulk of the performance is there and that is pretty righteous. I am impressed with the generational gains from the 3080ti to the 4090 mobile chips this time around. They are substantial for top end vs top end. Even the 4080 mobile vs 3080ti mobile is a nice bump. Just as on the desktop though but to an even larger degree mobile, the 4070 on down vs the 3070 on down mobile is a big swing and a miss overall and if you're looking for a meaningful generational upgrade from lets say the 3070ti mobile to the 4070 you will be incredibly disappointed. We can sit around and quibble on pricing or getting stuck on product naming shenanigans from Nvidia but just comparing the generational leap in performance between the 3080ti mobile and 4080/4090 is excellent. Obviously on the desktop the real 4090 is a monster of a card that decimates everything last gen. (In before, "But but what about muh SLI!!" 😄)

Yeah that KP 3090 is going to get sold ASAP me thinks at that price....GLWS!

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My wife and I were just talking about how fast 2023 is flying by....

The biggest slap in the face is early BIOS revisions for my Z690 D4 once you set the RGB for the motherboard it was set and you could uninstall Armory Crate and/or do a clean install and it stayed fix. Even if it lost mains, the cmos battery kept the settings. Now? With a BIOS update and all subsequent BIOS updates, now it never stays set and requires software to set it each and every time. This is targeted and malicious. Luckily OpenRGB will set it so I use that to set the color on boot. Armory Crate will never touch this system. Same problem with the Strix G18. Any meaningful RGB settings require Armory Crate which is just malware trash for Asus to monetize.

This is my approach. I've been scammed before or taken advantage of even by "friends" and family. First time I was scammed (to date myself) was someone wanted to swap a I had 20MB HD for their 9.6k modem. Cross shipped mine and never got theirs. Last one was a FnF to a "friend" in Australia for a couple of old CPUs to upgrade some Think Servers. I don't get people sometimes. Some were rectified, others not so much. But in the end it is just paper and I've been given what I think is a pretty blessed life overall and I'm thankful for where I am so I can shrug it off most times as the cost of doing business. I've had this same name for almost 25yrs now since my ebay account creation (July 1998). I routinely tell people I'm not hard to find. 🙂

Someone accusing Iunlock for scamming him out of $6k: https://www.overclock.net/threads/scam-alert-iunlock-liquidhz-liquidhz-studios.1805107/

Having done hard tubing on RaspberryPi projects for aesthetics (mainly cable routing to look fancy), I am fully in the soft tubing camp. I like the idea of that all in one kit but are there any reviews on it especially the CPU block? As that can make or break a loop real quick.

Married life with a new kid will quickly suck away all free time. 🙂

I know that Best Buy Liquid I tested was garbage along with the one @Papusan quoted which was air based. Reading through threads on various forums, one truth is if you don't care about OC or boost clocks all 4090s are monster cards. On the other hand, if you want a good out of box boost and/or OC on GPU/mem, the variance is pretty staggering. I spent a bit looking around and I only found the rare 4090 that would boost out of box ambient to 2835+ and 3135 OC'd like mine and will sit there at 3120 gaming no problem on stock MSI vBIOS. I know +1700 on my memory on mine is upper end but then again there are those rare gems that hit +2000 right out of the box no problem. One thing I never did try was letting the memory get warm and scale real time to see if that added a bit of headroom on the memory. It really does come down to the luck of the draw as your Strix showed you on a $2000 GPU. That is inexcusable jacking up the price ~$400 over baseline MSRP for random picks from the hat. I'm just glad you got a good sample that should primed and ready for HOF vBIOS and some chilled block action to really push it up and beyond chilled air. 🙂

I'm really interested in their 16" model with the GPU module. I might pick one of those up when they come to market and what specs. I don't need overkill. So glad third time was the charm! It is better than your first and this is three Suprims (mine, yours x 2) that have been very good specimens. Can't wait till you block it and bring the thunder brother. 🙂

As if on cue....(I really like what they're trying to do):

Congrats! Third time's the charm? (fingers crossed) Hopefully this one can make it to a block 🙂 @Raiderman 6800xt vs 7900xt so a 7900xtx would get you even a bit more punch:

4060 mobile not worth the upgrade over 3060.... So basically this generation the 4080/4090 mobile (kind of like the desktop in a sense) are the only meaningful upgrades this time around.

@jaybee83 and news/progress on Prema for the NH55? I ended up doing as I predicted last year and picked up @win32asmguy's NH55 so wondering where it stands. I plan on testing at least 3 12900k's (including my 160w full load 12900k desktop sipping monster) and sorting out which one is best and delidding it and moving onto some heatsink mods I have in mind.

Just about every board I tested with 12900k chips fed them way too much voltage for stock performance especially MSI. The same was said for the 11900k too. I suspect it is also the same for 13900k. Once properly dialed in, the voltage requirements dropped for every single one of my chips along with package power and temps. There were such extremes as being able to shave 90-100w off the CPUs or more and have them perform just as well and sit there and churn through P95 even. Most Intel motherboards have options for enforcing Intel spec'd limits. If you go in there and set it as such either with an auto selection or manually, it WILL conform to 125w or 253w. Your performance will suffer of course 🙂 but it is there. I know Asus has a clear option to select to remove all limits if you wish. But therein lies the problem. Joe Consumer shouldn't have to poke and prod in the BIOS or desktop even with XTU or similar to tame their CPU. They shouldn't have to worry about silicon quality, delidding or figure out compounds or check pairing pressure and other BS we rather enjoy on these forums dialing in our CPUs. AMD is not innocent either as De8auer showed, a delid and BIOS adjustments could bring down that 95c ceiling real quick to the 70s on the 7000 series and shave off a lot of that noise. They lost their initial momentum with absurdly priced CPUs and motherboards and quickly had to offer bonus memory, and "sale prices" (that became permanent).7950X3D is a sloppy mess for Joe Consumer in many instances and you already have some tech tubers lamenting the issues and problems in their setups and testing basically saying wait for the 7800X3D. But when all is said and done, AMD is most definitely a worthy competitor vs Intel on all fronts: Enterprise, Desktop and Mobile. I loathe to think of if they didn't keep Intel on their toes and we would be being fed pitiful incremental upgrades stretched out as long as possible at as high of price points as possible......like Nvidia is doing since AMD is zero threat realistically this time around and Nvidia's market share has remained at 80%+. (boo) Then again, overall Intel still retains ~70% of the x86 market so it isn't like they aren't dominant but AMD is much closer on their heels than Nvidia. I feel like Intel is scrambling and bringing all they can to the table to stay competitive. Biggest surprise for me? AMD's new mobile chips. Kind of makes up for the disappointment of the 7900xtx. If Zen5 is anything like it is to be rumored, it will be Comet vs Zen3 all over again which is bad news for Intel. I'm waiting for the 7800X3D for a potential buildout depending on WoW and FO76 data. Beauty of this is Zen5 will slot right in. 7900XTX sat at 100% with my 12900k 5.3/5.2 all core (while performing on the level of my 3080....*sigh*) so hopefully X3D can help even that out. 5800X3D was a monster for WoW and only a fully tuned and optimized 12900k could beat it and not by much. Can you tell I had high hopes for AMD and their desktop GPUs this time around? 😒 I agree we are sitting in a bubble. I've alluded to that numerous times over the years from laptop expectations to CPUs, GPUs and more. 99% of users just want to flip a switch and for their systems to work as presented, period. When they encounter an issue or problem they don't know what to do and either call customer support or turn to a friend or family member that would most likely be at home in this thread. 🙂 Ampere again.....3080ti's only so far. Nothing to see here. I'm sure if these cards had run New World before they would have went KABOOM already (tongue in cheek). 🙂

I'm on the hunt potentially for a 12900k/12900ks with a monstrously low V/F 4.3ghz point to start potentially binning for the NH55 laptop adventures. If you happen to see one out in the wild let me know. Has to be better than 0.989v which I have one atm.

Yep, unless something changes drastically next go around with the 5000 series (zero desire for the TI at this point seeing as my 4090 is being choked by my 12900k atm), I will be grabbing the cheapest model I can find and hope to slap a discount code on it and call it a wrap. I love my Suprim. It delivers everything I could want and is a top sample silicon for the GPU and above average for the mem and no coil whine and great temps and destroyed my 3090ti but if I could go back I would have kept the 4090 Trio I had ordered from BB and pocketed the ~$400 difference when all was said and done (10% discount, 5% best buy rewards, etc...). It could be a bad clocker and perform 1-5% less but for ~$400 in my pocket I'll be ok. 🙂

Nice take on cheaper vs more expensive 4090s:

At least the Alienware is topping out at 68c on the GPU and not pegging 100c on the CPU unlike the Strix hitting 87c on GPU (that was a 4080 too) and 100c on the CPU even in less CPU intensive games like FO76. CPU score on the strix was right around the same score @ssj92 scored too (~15-16k). Something is amiss. But again the GPU temps are very nice.

An old Brother 5470DW still handles the bulk of my printing duties. Canon sent me a MF453dw to evaluate recently. Much more modern interface and added functionality but the print quality isn't as good as the old 5470DW at 2-3x the size.