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The wife had complained the A770 in her system was "noisy" and she had weird stutters/pauses while playing WoW. Enough that I just pulled the card last week and slapped back in the Strix 3080 and all was well. I decided to put the A770 in my daughter's rig to replace the A380 not only for WoW but she wants to play Hogwarts Legacy too (her fiance already pre-ordered it for her on Steam) and playing WoW it has suddenly turned into a coil whine monster but more importantly there is ungodly bad stuttering and the power fluctuates between ~175w and ~15w then will plummet and the lights on the card flicker then powers back up. Overall performance is lower too. I'm not sure what gave up the ghost but she was right. She had been driving it hard for over a month though logging 3-4hrs daily on it (sometimes more on the weekends). A lot of times she would go to do other stuff or even leave and just leave WoW running full screen. I pulled it and tried it in my main rig on a clean install and same issue. I switched back to the A380 in my daughter's rig and no problems at all. Just less performance as always. I was going to start the RMA process to Intel but I remembered I bought it in early December so the extended return window was still in effect with Newegg so I RMA'd it for a full refund for now. Up to this point, it was a solid solid card and still a beauty. I'll end up re-ordering another one sometime down the line. Back in August when I picked up the A380 those drivers were bad. I mean criminally bad but they have improved so much that the ARC series is a solid buy right now and getting better and better rapidly.

Congrats on the purchase bro! I know my Newegg Suprim X is good with still some room in there even on the AIO for a 600w flash to push it more in a future bench fun. Fun fact, even with it pushing 544w, coil whine was minimal. Using OC settings in WoW game clocks are 3105-3120 at all times and the card still needs more CPU power as it only pulls ~390-400w tops with WoW maxed out and is now sitting at ~80% utilization tops. Numerous blocks are available for the Suprim X too. Seeing as memory is a crap shoot on all cards with some hitting as low as in the +700 range on OC that's a smart move to order from Amazon versus Newegg just on the off chance it is a dud. Luckily my second one was from Best Buy and was a dud all across the board. I couldn't wait to return it. Keyboard LED is the specific program you want from Obsidian Tools to run. It is stand alone and fully functional. Between that, Prema and TS, you won't need to install the CCC cancer.

980 or 990? I don't remember reading about the 980 having the same issues as the 990.

Looks like TiTAN ADA is a reality.... This makes complete sense as Nvidia has such a lead with the 4090 over AMD they can push the fatter cores towards a true workstation card with a much higher price and reap the profits. When 4090 and Titan sales finally slow down (AI/ML market is going to slurp these up) then we might see a 4090ti. https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-pg137-titan-ada-gpu-with-48gb-memory-spotted-during-shipping

I hope it comes sooner than later but the logic just isn't there to bring it sooner unless 4090 sales tank and/or research/corporate sales die off which won't be happening anytime soon for 18k+ variant. Milk the 4090 for all its worth then introduce a 4090ti outlier for ~10% performance bump for $400-500 more. That is assuming left over silicon that isn't flying off the shelves in Titan which if they announce that in march/april 2023 definitely will push back the 4090ti.

Won't be here till 2024 but it was a forgone conclusion it was coming. Back end cycle final milking. They did the same to Ampere with the 3090ti. Didn't drop till 1.5yrs later after 3090 launch but was already rumored and talked about with pics within months of Ampere launch. Especially with AMD failing hard this cycle no need for Nvidia to rush to market with it. I was hoping AMD brought the pain and forced Nvidia's hand. 😞 Expect it ~March/April 2024.

Yep, the small boost in Vcore definitely pushed it past 3100 same settings in TS with capped at 544w pull. Wondering if a flash to a 600w Vbios would kick it up a notch even further. I plan on running those same settings and doing some WoW FP runs to see if CPU utilization bounces even more off of 100% than it does now along with any gains in fps. ~62c on mem with +1500 OC after TS run. Gotta say I'm overall happy with my Newegg model. Makes you wonder what it would do under a true block and/or chiller.

Using the beta version, even though the slider will go to +100 still caps at 1.1 as @papu indicated. Using exact same settings, clocks boosted up to 3135mhz. Board power increased to ~540w. Temps are still in the 50's.

I tried it with the official release and as @Papusan pointed out the voltage slider is still locked and running it with settings on did nothing. Which beta version did you run? I'll give it a whirl.

Your memory OC on your KPE 3090 was definitely better than mine for sure. As for MSI, if I was just basing it on my Newegg one, I would have no problems calling it a decent sample that is hanging with all the other models memory OC wise and actually GPU clocking higher than the ones on that list I posted.... .....then we get the best buy one that was atrocious. If I had purchased that one first, it would have went right back just on the jet engine coil whine alone. The terrible memory and GPU overclocking was the icing on the cake. Without the companies properly binning based on more expensive models sometimes (or doing it poorly), silicon lottery is grossly in play. TT stock vs OC samples:

Exactly....in a dynamic environment such as an actively running OS, the tiniest changes CAN have a small or even profound impact. Moving the sliders is the culmination of other steps taken from OS tweaking to going custom water, outlier cooling solutions (dragging your PC outside, using a portable AC unit, dunking your rads, pelt, LN, etc...) to binning chips, motherboards, memory, fine tuning thermal solutions, lapping CPU and GPU and more... There's so much more to it. Take your laptop which has many more constraints than a desktop. Create another OS partition that is tweaked for benching You can get under the hood and analyze your heatsink to tweak and enhance it Install or mod in custom fans use a portable AC unit for better cooler air intake add water cooling even Test various thermal compounds and solutions with end game being a perfect LM application lap the CPU and GPU if applicable It depends on how serious you are and how far you want to take it.

After testing my Newegg one, I was like, "this is not bad at all and it's quiet." I was expecting similar or better results with the Best Buy one and it is acting like a Trio. I actually did a search on poor 4090 memory OC to see if such low numbers were possible and apparently they are for memory OC on some duds to hit + 700-900 max on memory and 150ish on GPUs. It does make one wonder what silicon quality is in the HOF 4090 for $2500+? Looking at some reviews, even some Founders cards had problems hitting +1200 memory OC, MSI +1000 and even the mighty Strix 4090 with a monster memory OC of +2000 (max) was stable at +1750 and GPU +180 with it's 120% slider: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-rtx-4090-rog-strix-oc-review/2 Then you have tech power up and their nifty little chart of sample OCs: I definitely remember my KPE 3090 being average both in memory and GPU overclocking. It did hit the promised 2025 out of the box. It was right around 2040 I think. But my KPE 3090ti was a much better sample both GPU and memory OC on average. It boosted to ~2070-2085 and memory was definitely >=+1000.

So I've been playing with my two MSI Liquid Suprim X 4090s this evening for 3-4hrs... the Best Buy one is definitely worse than the Newegg one I picked up and will be going back ASAP. I'm more than good with the Newegg one. Best buy one = worse boost clocks, worse OC, worse memory OC by a mile, insane coil whine like my bud's Suprim X aircooled model (which at least boosts ~2790 stock). I know it is only guaranteed to hit 2625mhz out of the box but wow.....Feels like my first KPE 3090 out of box clocks all over again on the Best Buy one. For stock, out of the box gaming they're both doing as a 4090 should do but the overclock difference and coil whine is very distinct. Both cards w/ fans 100%, Slider to max (10% (!) ). Both cards hitting MSI Vbios power limit of ~530w 12900k e cores are off, clocks synced to 5.3 all core. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Egg: (No coil whine till >200fps and then very minor) Out of box game clocks = 2820-2835 Max Mem +1500 (+1575 for benching with some mild artifacting. >+1575 = twinkle city and crash) Max GPU +225 Max reported clock = 3060 w/ OC Max board power draw = ~533w Max temp = ~57c Hot spot = ~73c Mem = ~60c ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Best Buy: (Screaming banshee even at 100fps....holy terror at >200fps) Out of box game clocks = 2700-2715 (?) Max Mem +700 (+750 for benching with some mild artifacting. >+750 = twinkle city and crash) Max GPU +150 Max reported clock = 2875 w/ OC Max board power draw = ~533w Max temp = ~58.5c Hot spot = ~75c Mem = ~62c ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is the Newegg card in action:

Yeah I've found on more than one occasion double and/or improperly placed thermal pads when breaking down systems. Another issue could be pad thickness or rigidity. Now that I have my unit back my temps are up by ~8c over my K5 Pro. This is with a pure stock heatsink and stock thermal pads. I'll be repadding and replacing the stock screws with M6x2.5 (If I recall correctly from my replacements before) to hand tighten for optimal pressure. When sanding heatsinks I always use a fine grade and very light strokes or for targeted sanding a dremel and a sanding plate. Always nice to crack open a unit and see a pristine 2080 Super all new and shiny. 🙂

What was your flow rate before and after? Whew, imagine a 4090 in that loop. 🙂

Happy birthday @Mr. Fox! I take it most of us have grown children by now.... I guess that makes me the senior "youngin" in the group at a "spry" 52? 🤣

Unfortunately once you apply LM and it soaks into your copper it is hard to impossible to get back your original copper luster outside of sanding it down through all that soak. I am not a fan of LM in laptops anymore except on delidded CPUs under the hood between the die and IHS. I'm very pleased my repairs replaced the original heatsink with a brand new one and no LM soak. As for temps.... Two reasons here: #1. The "uneven bits" of hardened material are causing pairing issues. You will need to sand that off. #2. The overall pressure on the die either from the pads and/or the fixed depth screws. You can replace the fixed depth screws with manual ones you can hand tighten to get better pressure but those uneven bits will need to be addressed. I ran into the same issue with my original ZtecPC which had previously been a LM model on both the GPU and CPU. I had to file/sand bits off the actual CPU IHS too along with the heatsink. I used very fine grade sand paper to take it down.

Papu to the rescue as always with the links. 🙂

Got my X170SM-G back today. Absolutely loved the tech (Matt) assigned to it. Friendly, knowledgeable, in constant contact and this wasn't his first rodeo with X170SM-G units. He is the type of tech you hope gets assigned to your repair. After further diagnosis, both the Motherboard AND GPU were shot. I had asked to get rid of the K5 Pro gunk of death if possible. Ended up replacing the motherboard, GPU and heatsink (yay no more shiny former LM spots to deal with). Also returned it to 100% thermal pads (no K5 anywhere). He was also kind enough to send back my bad 2080 Super too. I wish all techs were like this. I swapped back in my Golden 10900k and it booted right back up to my original Raid 0 (256GB x 2) diagnostic install. Bad news is no Prema on the replacement board so I'll have to contact him on that but considering @ssj92 bought a new (ish) X170SM-G from them and no Prema or Prema listed on their site for some time it looks like they may not be doing setups/flashes with Prema anymore. Since it has a new heatsink, it doesn't have any of the original mods on it which is fine. I don't miss finding little tiny globs of LM from the initial config from ZtecPC in all types of hidden nooks when they switched it back to traditional paste. The way the unit looks, I'd almost think parts of the chassis are new too. It looks great! FYI the new old stock 2080S they ordered from Clevo direct is dated December 2020 so that gives you an idea of when Clevo started to ramp down production of cards most likely.

Your hotspot should be around ~76 and GPU around ~65: If your temps are that out of bounds, try switching to a thicker thermal paste not LM. The problem could be contact issues and if you don't have an optimal pairing LM and it's very thin nature is a liability instead of an advantage. For LM to truly shine you need to make absolute sure your pairing is tight and optimal and on laptops that is sometimes hard to achieve.

Well NorthridgeFix did a repair on an Aorus 4090 whatever you can extract from this video:

The Aorus Master line is their top of the line air cooled models. I actually love the LCD screen and build of them. That was the 3070 I had and it ran crazy cool and no whine. I'd be curious to see if they bump it up. I wonder if it uses the same PCB as their Waterforce line of hybrid cards? https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4090-gv-n4090aorusx-w-24gd/p/N82E16814932556?Item=N82E16814932556&Description=4090&cm_re=4090-_-14-932-556-_-Product

Can't argue with this. It is good to see cards coming into and staying in stock. The other day it was the Gigabyte 4090 in stock all day at Newegg. Now, hours later, the MSI 4090 Liquid X is still in stock sold and shipped by NE. On Best Buy it took 4-5 hours to sell out of the 4090 TUF. I even had a Strix 4090 in my cart before I jettisoned it for its $2k price point. Just nice to be able to add and even buy various 4090s fairly easy now and we're not even to my February 2023 check in prediction. 4090 models routinely coming into stock at NE 4080 all in stock at NE 4070ti all in stock at NE 7900xt most in stock at NE 7900xtx still barely in stock (if at all) at NE. If this was the Crypto boom times all of these would still be out of stock and gone in seconds. That list looks about the same for myself too especially top two which were my original US picks. No Zotac for myself. Definitely like the Colorful (and Neptune 4090). ROG 4090 is nice too just not at $2k.

With your setup, I'd love to see you push a 4090 at 1440p and 4k to see if it can bottleneck your CPU.

In the end, a bottom barrel 4090 is $1600. How you choose to pay an AIB tax is on you but both Hybrid and air cooled ($1799 / $1719) are going to cost you even if you niggle over a $100 here or there the cards are expensive (and don't forget your friendly sales tax). And of course there is always the "Well I wanted it so I'm buying it," factor (See: KPE 3090TI) and life is too short to fret sometimes and meant to be enjoyed in the moment. I was reminded of this recently from a loved one who passed away who told me, "Life is short. Eat the cake. Take the Trip. Buy the toy. Never shy away from leisurely pursuits. Enjoy life." I pinch pennies everywhere else and try to maximize buy/sell of hardware to offset accepted losses of liking tech; but I know what brings me joy in regards to my leisurely pursuits and it's tech so when able I hit the buy button and enjoy it in the here and now even as I weigh the pros and cons before, during and after. 🙂