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Obviously. 🙂 I'm the one who has said time and time again over the years, regardless of the SP throw it on a bench and test it. The fact remains that KS chips overall are better than K/KF chips with a lot of cross over as I alluded to earlier a few days ago and the iGor's labs chart just confirms. Also remember he had no access to Malay chips either which are popping even better....poor iGor. 🙂 I know you paid a pretty penny for your binned chip and I know it can hurt a bit to see a "Special" edition come out that pushes yours down on the "special" chart with people popping open KS chips that are monsters but just think in the fall this whole cycle repeats again with the RPL refresh. Enjoy your chip bro! 🙂

I just got my X170SM-G back from repair today for a bad GPU and still under warranty. I haven't fired it up yet but I think about the state of throw away laptops often. If my laptop was out of warranty, regardless of a bad CPU, GPU or forbid soldered on storage or memory (shudder), I'm out an entire laptop. I can't get in there and just replace the one, single bad component or bin my CPU where variance unit to unit can be pretty staggering.

Igor's labs overall findings for SP ratings: 13900KS chips are overall just better than 13900K/KF chips. If I was in the market for a new 13th gen, I wouldn't even bother with a 13900K/KF. I'd go right for a 13900KS every time. Every. Time. Your chip is good. A top 2% 13900k but it has been invalidated from overall top bin with 13900KS chips which pushes it down to top 10% which is still admirable and with your outlier setup you're getting good results. Enjoy it. 🙂 It happens. 🙂

I was just contemplating picking up one of these in 2TB capacity but with the newness of it held off and said "Summer '23"....ack. I'll just reiterate my overall displeasure with my 7900XTX for my use case. It did boost to 3ghz running Superposition and scored above average in Timespy vs other 7900XTX out there but RT was garbage and gains just weren't there in FO76 and WoW. Locking everything down outside of their own limited OC tools is the icing on the cake. A lot of issues pop up with RT enabled from dismal performance to weird stutters I couldn't fix and RT enabled definitely turned on the "coil whine" switch after a week or two of testing. Odd issues with Z590 was the icing on the cake.

Yeah that's a nice, beastly config. With all the BIOS refinements (especially from XMG) and a new unlocked BIOS in the works from @Sergey Muratov and company the future is bright! Good time to get in on the action. 🙂

Best Buy currently having a massive drop of 4090s. Hasn't happened for weeks. Camp out for the next 30-60 and refresh. Cancelled the MSI Trio and re-ordered another Suprim X with discount and rewards total price = $1594.33

Awesome to finally see it purchased and in action, thanks! Do you have hard data of your original heatsink vs the newer/beefier heatsink in regards to temps? I'd be curious to see the original heatsink vs the new heatsink (no water) vs the new heatsink (water engaged) if possible. I know getting those fans under control is always a blessing. 🙂

That's not bad and above average both P and E cores. As @Papusan now time to test it. Over on the OC forums, KS chips are popping with >=120 P cores on a much higher frequency than K/KF chips. Lots of cross over. You end up with something like this ~(P Cores) ~K/KF 97-------------------------123 ~KS 113-----------------------132 So you still have a chance of landing a KS that is worse than a K/KF but what you don't have is landing an absolute bottom barrel KS like K/KF chips that will at worse run like a decent 13900K/F but will barely be a KS sometimes. Depending on where you're pushing it, see what 5.8-6ghz can do. What does the V/F curve look like? Overall KS chips on average are flat out better than K/KF. I know @Falkentyne had set some baseline criteria for testing 13900KS chips along these lines:

I wish this was a 13900k lol. It's just my original 12900k overclocked from 4.9 all core to 5.3 all core and that is where it hits a wall. I am going to go back in and do per core to see how fast I can get 1-3 cores topping out. I'm seriously contemplating finishing out my parts list to do a small loop and a delid. I want to see where this 4090 bottoms out in WoW and like I said before, I haven't even reached end game which is just brutal on CPUs. I'm CPU bound just in questing zones.

Still CPU bound but 12900k 4.9ghz vs 5.3ghz all core = 138fps vs 133fps average along with static spot 130 vs 140 along with an overall increase to 1% low and max fps. Still bouncing off of 100% During flight point tests and GPU never gets past 90% utilization versus the 7900XTX and 3080 10GB which were locked into 99-100% the entire time. I'm sure a decent 13900ks would bring it home since WoW likes single or at most dual core frequencies at best.

The boards are identical so a block for the air cooled model would fit the liquid cooled model too fortunately. I just didn't realize till just now there are two different versions of the Hybrid model.

Suprim back in stock in NE: https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-4090-rtx-4090-suprim-liquid-24g/p/N82E16814137779?Item=N82E16814137779&Description=4090&cm_re=4090-_-14-137-779-_-Product&quicklink=true Looks like MSI makes *2* versions of the Suprim Liquid. Liquid: https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-4090-rtx-4090-suprim-liquid-24g/p/N82E16814137779?Item=N82E16814137779&Description=4090&cm_re=4090-_-14-137-779-_-Product&quicklink=true Liquid X: https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-4090-rtx-4090-suprim-liquid-x-24g/p/N82E16814137759?Item=N82E16814137759 Liquid X is their "OC" model apparently:

Congrats! What config did you go with?

Depends on the title and settings but RT is here and will continue to grow in importance and adoption. Do you need RT to play a game? No, but then again you don't need high graphics settings or resolution either. If just playing the game is the standard, set it to 720p, low everything and have it run on almost everything from the last 10yrs. For example, when I was in between cards a few years ago, I was limping along with my GTX 1060 playing at 4k in WoW on low settings. Playable? Yes but visually an eye sore compared to how it can and should look for the full immersive experience and lush visuals. When I got my KPE 3090 and installed it and cranked everything back up it was like night and day for enjoyment and beauty. A month or so on that GTX 1060 just dialed in how I like to play my games. I want everything presented as intended by the devs no compromises when able. Unreal engine 5 is going to be the backbone for a vast majority of games and it is all about RT along with Raster. Even new games built from the ground up are setting a foundation on RT. Older titles are getting overhauls with RT enabled features where able. But like I said, if just being able to play the game is the high bar, you can dial everything down to the lowest settings, drop the resolution as low as it will go and play on a tin can. 🙂

I think I saw that chart before but could not find it again, nice! Crazy the difference in board quality and design. MSI, Asus and Nvidia are really top of the heap. Ouch the MSI Gaming Trio X is significantly worse than the Suprim overall...(eyes the cancel order button). Asus TUF is literally dab smack in the middle. MSI with the Suprim literally followed Nvidia's lead on their FE but just beefed it up even more. Based on my findings in WoW and the 7900XTX being on the near same level as a 3080 10GB in RT (76fps vs 75fps), I am not surprised. I expected much better from the 7900XTX. I retested with the newest drivers yesterday and exact same performance. To add insult to injury the 7900XTX was having all types of problems performing in my Z590 Strix board with all types of pauses and stutters. I popped the Strix 3080 10GB in there to check and it was smooth sailing. Both with their own clean installs. In the defense of AMD, performance varies widely depending on title but even at its best case scenario the 7900XTX delivers ~3090-3090ti RT performance. A fairer shootout would have been the 7900XT vs the 4070ti and then the 7900XTX vs 4080 but the fact still remains the RT performance of AMD has improved but the next gen RT performance of Nvidia just crushes it.

I had a Gigabyte Aorus Master 3070 and that card was a beast. Ran cool, no coil whine and overclocked like a champ with good memory so I am good with their GPUs. Their motherboards on the other hand.... Asus and MSI seem to be the coil whine champs this time around but my Liquid Suprim X 4090 is crazy quiet. It takes >~220fps to get it to start making any type of coil whine noise. I managed to snag an MSI Gaming X Trio OC 4090 from BB with discount and BB 5% rewards = ~$1495.39 total in my hand the other day only because a local (ish) store had one in stock sitting in there. When all is said and done it is ~$415 cheaper than my Suprim X 4090 which when I contacted Newegg they said would allow a one time return for full refund (since I've literally never returned anything to Newegg ever in 20yrs) so I'm tempted to pick it up and give it a whirl. It is ~1hr away drive so it is sitting there waiting for me till Feb 1st while I mull it over. It has the same PCB as the Suprim but with cut down phases. I really like this Suprim a lot but I also like $415 in my pocket too (Well, $400 calculating gas there and back).

I can't quite figure out why Newegg has so many of these shipped and sold from Newegg and at MSRP and they keep coming into stock while they're completely sold out elsewhere. They routinely say limit 5 even on high demand items and I just checked and they're out of stock....again. 4090 and 7900xtx are routinely out of stock. Every other card is pretty easy to find. Of course the "fear" is this supply of Gigabyte cards will eventually dry up as BB and Amazon rarely, if ever, have them come into stock.

Updated the launch page with this for those who need the pad measurements. Thanks @ViktorV!

The new bar is Cyberpunk 2077 4k Psycho RT and the new Unreal Engine 5 Ultra settings 4k RT enabled. They quickly bring the 4090 back to reality.

Looking quite righteous bro! For a second I didn't have my glasses and I thought it said 7900x I was like wth?! 🙂 "Team Red Standing by" 😈 I've often found there is a large swath of those without who beat their chests, berate and denigrate those with and talk about bringing fairness and equality to the world. Once they become one of those with, they tend to transmogrify into the very thing they once loathed and disparaged..... .....funny how that works.

As long as it is the newest version (the one that also enabled 2000 series support), it will support 9th gen too. When I received my unit the version of Prema on it only supported 8th gen and 1000 series at the time before Zoltan (when he was with HIDevolution) did a remote session and upgraded it to the newest enabling 9th/2000 support. As for the 4th fan, I think a few users did a mod with it on the old NBR. I know @jc_denton explored the idea but I'm unsure if he went ahead and installed one. I've done that so many times with various items over the years. There is a sense of satisfaction when you know you could have purchased it but opted not to. When presented with the moment, common sense (for now 🙂 ) kicked in. If I still had my 3090ti I would not have picked up a 4090. I was blessed to be able to sell my KPE 3090 at the height of the crypto-crazy times for more than I paid for it and sell my KPE 3090ti for everything I paid for it when all was said and done (I think I came out ahead by like ~$50-100 when all was said and done) to afford me the chance to pick up a 4090 free and clear of other financially dragging cards. I basically swapped my 3090ti for a 4090. The 4090 is a monster upgrade especially with the newer RT cores. 4k gaming with the 3090 and 3090ti still hit walls and lows the 4090 overcomes now placing the burden on the CPU while still capping my display in FO76 and coming real close in WoW. My next upgrade is definitely a CPU. I'm not seeing how the 5090 will offer me anything that would be an improvement for my use case*. My problem will now be CPU limits. You could always set a price for your KPE 3090 and list it and if it sells apply that to a 4090. You can also pick one up from Amazon that, unlike Newegg, has a full return policy versus replacement only policy. *As always I reserve the right to eat crow and pick one up because.....why not? 🤪

IIRC, the P870TM(1) supports the 1080 (and 1070/1060) with Prema. I also ran a 9900ks in my P870TM1 with Prema too. It was updated to the newest version from HIDevolution at the time.

P2W system build...basically grabbing the best of the best and comparing against a $600 basic betty:

@Talon has tried a few and @tps3443 basically has a upper mid tier 13900ks with his binned 13900k. 13900KS definitely bin better overall and some of the samples showing up are pretty monstrous. Even mid tier 13900ks chips are upper 13900k chips.

Do you have some Timespy runs for comparison?