electrosoft

Price: $$SOLD$$ Condition: Used Warranty: NONE Reason for sale: Switched my daughter to an Acer OLED 16 7840u Payment: Bankwire, Venmo, PayPal, local pick up Item location: Vineland, NJ Shipping: FedEx, USPS or UPS. Whichever is cheapest for me since I'm including shipping CONUS only International shipping: Situational (If I know you personally) and all S&H costs are on you Handling time: 3 days Feedback: eBay: https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/feedback_profile/electrosoft More details and pics on the actual eBay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/176068063560 Specification: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This was my daughter's laptop and she used and loved it for years (hence the stickers all over it), but she wanted something smaller for college. Battery died awhile ago so she was using it with no battery for the last 6 months before she upgraded. Specs: --------------------------------- No CPU No GPU 1920x1080 17.3" Display 32GB DDR3 1600 memory (4x8GB) 240GB SSD (Raid 0 120GBx2) DVDRW/BR (Tested w/ Jurassic Park DVD, working!) Intel AC-7260 WiFi 330w AC adapter w/ power cord Windows 10 Pro with digital license Backlit Keyboard --------------------------------- Unit is missing its rear plastic hinge covers (pictured) but screen opens and closes normally. Unit has a combo DVDRW / Blue Ray reader tested with Jurassic World DVD working fine. Unit has a clean install of Windows 10 Pro with all updates and drivers installed. No CPU and GPU (listed elsewhere) but includes everything else Unit does NOT come with a battery as once it was near failure/failed (less than 9% life left) it caused system panics. Instead of replacing the battery, she wanted a new much smaller laptop for college. Unit is in USED condition, and as such comes with stickers, sticker residue, and signs of obvious wear (scratches, dings, etc...) Proof of ownership:

Did he post any BIOS snapshots anywhere?

Congrats on it finally getting here bro and yep, I've seen that goodness before ! 🙂@jaybee83 that monster 4300 V/F point would make this a near god tier chip for the NH55. Now let's see some magic! 🙂 They're decent but let's not blow it out of proportion. 🤣 On your new chip, your E-cores will probably be your biggest weakness and that isn't saying much with everything else being so nice. Did you ever get any screen shots of CENS #1 chip? I'd be curious to see how it compares.

The fact it can do G2 3800 bodes well as the memory at least is cleared for take off to 3800 and ~3500 on a 12600 sounds about right but the only way to truly know is to slap it in a desktop board to see. My daughter's 12400 tops out at 3366 DDR4 on her B660 Asus board. My 12900k topped out at 4133 on the Asus Z690 D4 (DDR4) and many 13th and 14th gen chips are sitting around the same level so if you: Get a chip with a known, good 4000+ IMC Hunt for good silicon / low bleeder (Focus on the 4300 curve) I know both capped to ~130w, this 13900ks runs cooler and scores much higher than my 12900k that's in there now when simulated on a desktop board. When (if?) I switch back to AMD, I should pop this SP115 13900KS in my old Asus Z690 D4 board and see how far it can go with the B-die sticks that are in there that can do 4500 with 10th gen.

You now have to worry about anything purchased abroad less than NOK 350 now.....talk about digging in the couch cushions for change.... This time around Nvidia has zero incentive to lower prices or offer a 4080ti (or any card that uses any version of the AD102) on the consumer market with the AI market being so lucrative and needing scaled down versions here, there or anywhere. Strix 4090s are now up to $2400 and Gigabyte 4090 at $2000 shipped and sold by newegg....yikes. Basically every card (when they have them as these are the only two in stock) is +$400 over MSRP.

Since I moved my 13900ks and Z790i Edge to the big rig for now while I sort out my 7800X3D woes, I switched back to my AC LF II 420 from the EVGA CLC 360 I had in there and it leveled the EK Nucleus 240 in cooling the exact same setup but obviously wouldn't fit in an ITX case. ITX looks so tiny in there! Unfortunately the AC LF II 240 uses hoses off the top like the bigger models and that makes it a nonstarter for many ITX cases that support AIOs. First AIO I looked at for my ITX plans was AC. It was one reason I couldn't use my EVGA CLC 280 too. Without the side mounted flexible connect hoses it makes it almost impossible to work with most ITX cases. Speaking of 4090 pricing.....yikes!

LOL, if you were "safe" to upgrade from your 2080ti to a 3090, you are definitely safe to upgrade from a 3090 to a 4090. 🤣 I hope the 8900xtx smashes Nvidia into the ground because the 7900xtx was a bit of a let down after all the pre-launch hype and pseudo CU count that AMD didn't correct properly and let speculation fly amok. I said it before and I'll say it again, you will get a 4080ti dab smack in the middle of the 4080 and 4090 for ~1299 or 1399 with 20GB and a slower memory bus. I am guessing we might *might* get a 4090ti Summer of 2024 and the 5090 drops Q1 2025. Either scenario, if you have a 4090, a 4090ti is DOA as 5090 is right around the corner. Don't pull an "Electrosoft" 🤣 and get all nostalgic and order a KPE 3090ti for $2499 and end up regretting it (But then EVGA refunded me the $500 difference when it dropped and a collector wanted it for $2k so I broke even and am still using the included 1600w P2 to this day but still....) You can always sit back and wait and compromise or you just order the new king launch card, ride it out for the entire cycle, get the new king launch card, sell your old card (or not) for what you can get...rinse/repeat. My only problem when the 5090 drops is Fallout76 and WoW have met their 4k Ultra match even with RT enabled with the 4090 for 144hz displays. For the first time, I am hard pressed to find a compelling reason to upgrade next cycle outside of the ever present, "I want it." I am rapidly coming up on a full year of owning this MSI 4090 Liquid Suprim X in one month and it has been an absolute joy and beast of a card. Outside of the price, I have zero complaints.

Well, with the last bid on the one you bought being €1550, I am sure you've shed a few tears bro! But on the other hand, you've got his second best chip overall on the way to you. I look at it both ways. Would I pay that much for a binned chip? No. But do I see merit in those who want to pursue their hobbies as they see fit to extract maximum enjoyment? Absolutely. 🙂 CENS listed and sold every single chip pretty quickly so there is clearly a market for pre-binned costly chips to assure a decent sample so you can just go ahead and enjoy your silicon.

The "gift" that keeps on giving @Papusan

Nice! With all this backing data (and your 13900ks data), I can't wait to see your SP107 rock it out.

yup, so to get an idea where your voltages land to see how they scale naturally. If you want, you can even set adaptive UV or fixed as long as it is consistent across all +1 bin scaling upwards but pure stock just gives you an idea of scaling. I can see you with a chiller one day 🙂 Laptop overclocking is fun and finally taming that NH55 to not thermal throttle with a 12900k was exciting but nothing compares to the options and freedom of desktop overclocking where the only limitations are your pocketbook, convenience and risk aversion.

Let's say you leave everything stock then scale up bin by bin on the Ecores from 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, 4.6 etc... we're not looking for vmin or giving it a bit more juice and just want to isolate the e-cores. Pick something like CB23 (or CB15, RealBench, etc...) At what point at stock do they give up the ghost? At what point at stock do they start to pull more reported voltage? If so, how much? When I was testing my vcore scaling independently (which I do for P-cores, Ring, E-cores), I found my E-cores didn't pull a little more till 4.5 and 4.6 was where it was a tangible difference and 4.7 where they finally started to need a little more juice. Your E-cores report the same as mine basically but your E-SP rating is more inline with ~1.275ish so something is amiss @tps3443 Do you have a screenshot of the BIOS readouts for that SP117 you delidded for a board member?

1. Yep already mentioned it's a solid chip. 🙂 2. Of course you can as I've tested my E-cores at 4.4 with no change. 4.6 is when they start to need more doing some basic CB23 testing. 3. I haven't seen any concrete data showing a lower MC score on a 14900k translates to a higher MC score on 13900k or 13900ks in any meaningful way. And even with MC scores, as we know, testing is the best approach. With that being said, with my MC score of 92, I wasn't surprised I was posting at 8800 on the Strix without changing anything on the CPU side knowing the MC score before I started and watching the memory or MB give up the ghost (I was asking an awful lot of the Strix z790i which is only rated up to 7600+ or MSI Z790i Edge rated up to 8000+) and watching singular slots fail at different points. Don't worry bro. 🙂 Your chip is solid and worth every cent you paid! Looking forward to your results. What's the ETA for its arrival?

Oh the SP106 is definitely a good chip but the E-core and MC score difference between your SP107 and it is pretty substantial for 1 ranking point. If the MC rating and E-cores had been better I would have contemplated picking it up but I know when I put my SP115 on my boy's system the MC was 92 along with a much superior e-core score of 1.264 so it was a hard pass. Ditto. For ~$1050 I would need better e cores and a better MC. Our 13900KS chips are very similar. My E-cores are SP97 but still 1.264 like yours at SP95 which in Asus speak means a rounding differential (IE 1.26350 vs 1.26449).

Cens has a few more binned 14900k's for sale but this time around the E-cores vid is not great. 1.304 on the SP102 and 1.314 on the SP106. SP106 also has an MC rating of 79 so I would definitely ask where that topped out for him. Even back on 12900k, I found a good E-core vid could really enhance an overall chip for cooler running at stock or OC'ed I would want a sub 1.3v E-core just for a bit of icing on the cake if possible on a good sample. @tps3443 your SP107 is miles ahead of that SP106 on MC rating and E-core VID.

No thank you. I'm glad AMD is in the mix and at least keeping Intel a bit more honest than Nvidia, but my 2-3 month adventure with their GPUs has come to an end. This extends to laptops too. I'm not saying I hugged and kissed my 4090, but playing WoW today versus the 7900XTX this last week and not having all the problems and issues......I was REAL close to it! 🤣

Wow, price creep the 4090 upward, offer a cut down variant of the 4090 for effectively the same price of the 4090 at launch. Maybe we'll see the 4090 Dragon over here for $1599 then Nvidia can hog all the AD102 4090 normal and full fat dies for AI cards.....we're so lucky. 🤣

Yeah, I'll take a looksy again 4-6 months from now and see if anything has improved with their GPUs. Nice! Definitely looking forward to cooling and extra boost or even manual tuning results. I did chuckle imagining you sitting in the back seat like a big kid with JBJr rocking back and forth delidding your 7950x. 🤣

With the 4090 being such a great card and outclassing everything, you either step up for your overpriced spanking or suffer. In theory, getting a 7900xtx, selling my 4090 and pocketing the substantial difference looks great on paper.....but Nvidia just has it down to a science both hardware and software right now for my needs. Sold the 6700XT on Fleabay and returning the 7900XTX tomorrow. I'm officially done with AMD GPUs this time around. Gave the 7900XTX a chance twice in January and now. Two different models. Things actually got worse in 10 months! Nvidia isn't innocent and did this before too for WoW players. They had bad drivers that broke when they updated their drivers for Cyberpunk 2077 during Ampere and textures flickered for a solid 9 months before they finally fixed it. AMD drivers broke around March and it has been downhill since. Still no proper frame cap. Numerous issues in WoW (RT stutters, DX12 doesn't work, black screens, lock ups, freezes) Absolutely gets crushed in FO76 compared to the 4090 in 4k. Testing on 7800X3D or 13900KS made no difference with the issues. I don't know what happened. The 5700XT was an absolute joy to use in WoW. and other games.... I will say the 7900XTX and even 6700XT held their own in Starfield though. And of course my 7800X3D dying....lol....the hits keep on coming. 🤣 I ordered an Asrock B650M open box for $86 that arrived yesterday so I'll be able to test the CPU and memory independently of the MSI board just in case before sending it in for a replacement. I was going to build out an mATX system anyhow with some spare parts I have so it will end up there when all is said and done.

Based upon what we've read, the 4080 Super is going to be a touch faster (~5%) than a normal 4080 using the full fat AD103 die versus a cut down AD102 and still packing 16GB of VRAM. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-super.c4182 I wouldn't be surprised if in the spring we get a 4080TI if Nvidia can allocate enough defective AD102 dies to make it happen with 20GB.

Prices will continue to trend up on 4090s especially with China breaking them down into AI units and AD102 full fat full steam ahead in Nvidia 6000 units. I've thought about selling mine but the 7900xtx debacle really only leaves a 4080 or 3090/3090ti as a viable option for my gaming needs and the 4090 blows all of them out of the water and then some unless I switch back to my 4k 60hz freesync BenQ (which still has the nicest picture of them all) but even then WoW would dip below 60fps from time to time on my KPE 3090ti at 4k Ultra while my 4090 stays at 100fps even in the roughest places.

I know for myself personally let's say I pick up a retail chip and for the sake of argument it is a god tier CPU that someone wants to pay 3x+ retail for I'm selling it and just go pick up a slightly less awesome chip and pocket the difference or even try another retail sample. There's clearly a market for binned chips especially with 14th gen producing so many stinkers. People keep commenting and laughing on the for sale threads yet they're selling relatively quick especially SP104+ I wouldn't pay much, if anything, over retail for an SP100 or below chip but it is nice to pay effectively retail and avoid the gutter chips (SP95 and below) if able as someone continues to hunt for a top tier chip. You can reap the benefits of a mid tier chip and avoid the lottery. If you're not playing the cards as dealt and will just delid and DD whatever you unbox, then I see merit in skipping the lottery and just paying a bit more for a binned chip so you can pair a killer chip with a killer setup and really push it knowing the V/F and MC are sound. Nothing worse than mounting a chip and it's a POS. Then comes the angst of having to box it up and return it hoping everything goes smoothly knowing on a deep level it's kinda a jerk thing to do or accepting a financial loss on a resell because you crapped out. Let's say you bin 4 chips, they are terrible and you resell with a ~$100 loss on each (sometimes more when everything is said and done) along with having to try to lock down FnF or then deal with tax implications, zeroing them out as a loss repeatedly which also puts a potential audit spotlight on you. Might be easier to just pay $1k for a chip outright or a bit more and avoid all that BS. I remember 10900k's not being great overall and that was because we were EOL for that node and it had been pushed as far as possible. 14th gen is in the same boat but taking on even more water so you're going to land more duds than not. On the other hand, if you're running stock like a normal user even an SP93 can be tuned to run ok on a competent AIO with a contact frame and good thermal compound and spread. Oh, and I still get messaged from buyers wanting my 13900ks because it is one of the higher binned SPs and it hasn't been delidded. That just lets me know some LN2 record chasers are still seeking them out to smash records (or try).

In his defense, if you have a full on PayPay Business account, you can't accept F&F and I understand not wanting normal PP but trust both ways needs to be established somehow. Bank transfer ain't it. If I know you, I have no problems F&F and vice versa. I've received F&F up to $2k before with no problems and sent well over $2k before as long as I know you. He stated the IMC has problems on LN2? There's a good chance that will translate into normal/chiller usage too. I guess he has a fear someone will buy it, the IMC is trash and want to file a dispute. He needs to put any IMC issues in his listing. There are plenty who would still buy it for normal use. Has he tested it to see how far it will go DDR5 frequency wise? I don't understand why he can't or hasn't posted an ownership pic with his name and date on it. I posted a request for a verification pic on his listing. It looks to be a great chip, but no way I'm dropping that much over retail for ANY CPU of ANY nature unless it is God Bin. lol, didn't you already pay a pretty penny for CENS chip? You're full on addicted bro! 🤣

Congrats bro! That is a VERY solid chip I would consider golden for 14th gen. With your setup, it's all about the 6.0 and to a lesser degree 5.8. Always a very small chance, even with a superior vid it will stall but I'm sure it is going to sing. Has this one been tested for its MC strength both in BIOS and manually? Smart move testing it with the Alphacool in case the IMC is a dud. No SA bug issues? Those R batches on average are just on another level. If there was ever an argument for a 14900KS (which I still don't think is coming) it would be those chips. Did you end up keeping your Encore or sending it back?

For somebody like me who runs a standard AIO, I'm focusing primarily on the 5.8 and 5.6 V/F curve and a cool running chip. I prefer a sub 1.2 5.1ghz curve and sub 1.275 5.4 curve and definitely a sub 1.4 5.8. That lets my AIO shine in my sweet zone of 5.6/5.7 before temps start to climb past 80 running CB23. But for you? You're going to delid, DD and chill it and push for 6ghz all core so I would kind of look at 5.8 V/F but really focus on the 6ghz V/F point. I would think at a minimum sub 1.435v at 6ghz and the lower the better. At 6ghz. anything under 1.435 is already good and brimming on golden. Anything below 1.415 is definitely golden. Sub 1.4(~1.398) is god tier. This all goes out the window if your IMC sucks and/or you get hit with the SA bug and memory stalls at 7800-8200. 😞 That's my personal criteria though so YMMV.