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Yeah I'll definitely be playing. I've just about wrapped up the scoreboard in Fallout 76 for the season already. I'll then play Diablo IV (or get back into WoW since the wife has been asking) till Starfield drops. I usually always try to buy used parts along with open box / return items from the retailers to save as much as possible even if I'm buying within the current generation when the opportunity presents itself. If I want something and the only option is new sometimes I just grin and bear it but I do like to save as much as possible.

It will be fun to see where certified 8000 sticks go on your board to test the CPU but more importantly to see what that memory slots can do. Now you've piqued my curiosity. I might go in there and change gears and see where these DR A-die's decide to give up the ghost on my MSI. ---- I ended up picking up Winasm's NH55 (as predicted over a year ago) and I plan on holding onto it for quite some time as it is the true last DTR'esque laptop with interchangeable components sans GPU. I did drop this choice SP115 13900ks in there just to see but as expected a BIOS updated is needed. If you could, um, get Prema on a CPU update and get that over to me that would be swell. 😁 I tested the 13900KS on my Z690 D4 with motherboard constraints to simulate the laptop (140w + -0.100 UV) comparing it to my two 12900k chips with the same conditions I used to pre-qualify for NH55 use (it also let me quickly realize the binned 12900k from Winasm was running abnormally hot and a delid showed the STIM was missing from around one side) and the SP115 13900KS was popping out ~34k in CB23 even constrained to 140w w/ a UV. Down the line, I'd love to eventually move that into the NH55 with a proper delid and really let it flex but some Prema love would be required. I'll be updating the NH55 thread with results once I relid this 12900k. My conformal coating decided to crack and leak everywhere on my shelf so I had to order another bottle.

Ah yes.... "requires" I don't like what AMD is doing but I understand. I don't like what Nvidia is doing but I understand. It's war and they both play dirty. DLSS or not, I'll be playing Starfield. 🙂

14th gen refresh is shaping up nicely. Lower tier chips are getting a little bit of both (extra cores and frequency) 14900k = 13900KS Wonder if they'll have a 14900KS down the line? The ultimate of ultimate binned. This feels a touch like Skylake stretching. 🙂

You will probably dial those in and get amazing timings as these newer revs are getting better and better as DDR5 picks up steam. AMD Gear 2 (aka gear 4 for Intel) might hit a motherboard limitation before the memory even gets close to giving up the ghost. It would also give us some indicator for future AMD chips on older rev boards if they support higher IMC frequencies. Diablo IV was using 20GB of system memory AND 20GB of VRAM at one point when I was playing in 4k. You can never have enough unless the memory upgrade severely compromises frequency and timings.

The previous idea was a 4k 144hz portable system with a FE 4090. Display was ~$500 along with bulky (~27") and GPU $1600. I switched up to a 22" 1080p 144hz portable display for $85 after tax and now the 6700XT net $191. I, ah, had a change of heart financially. 😁 I plan on playing Starfield so a win win. As for DDR5, dual rank > single rank but single rank scales so much better that for a platform like Intel those frequency gains outweigh any advantages dual rank would have. The impact of DR isn't as great as DDR4 but it still provides an advantage. Luckily AM5 is capped to realistically 6000 +/- 400 depending on IMC and DR/SR status. Since our IMCs are capped, we can have it all: Optimal frequency (6000), timings and DR. I ended up with a pair of A-die DR 2x32GB G.skill sticks with great timings at 6000. If this were Intel, I'd be looking for SR sticks that can do 7600+. Those same DR A-die sticks rockin out on my AM5 give up the ghost at 7000 on my MSI Z790i Edge w/ 13900KS. I already booted 8200 SR sticks on it a week or so ago testing some GEIL 8000 rated sticks.

Congrats on the pick up and that is the best price out there for all 6950XT cards and matches the pricing on the Red Devil 6950XT but that's out of stock (I would have picked up the Asrock anyhow). Toss in a free $100 game code and that's win win all around. After hemming and hawing and going through so many pricing scenarios, I ended up picking up a Powercolor Fighter 6700XT from Amazon for Prime Day. They are offering 7% back on the Prime Visa card for slow shipping so it won't ship out and be delivered till next week but that gives me time to check on other deals and cancel if needed so after tax and 7% back my total cost was ~$298. Toss in a $100 game code (~$107 after tax) and my net cost for the card is ~$191. I spend a lot of time doing performance comparisons with everything from the 6600 up to the 6800xt/4060ti and the 6700xt at that price point made the most sense especially with the 6700xt including the Premium edition of Starfield. That basically knocked every Nvidia potential out of running even moreso than before. I was going to pick up an MSI 6750xt but it was ~$45 more when everything was said and done for basically the same performance. I'll still keep an eye on them just in case.

AMD was always anti-consumer (as most Corporations are by nature profits > consumers), it just wasn't as egregious as Nvidia's transgressions so many flew under the radar. I guess the idea here is FSR is available on all hardware while DLSS is not so Nvidia needs to get with the program and make DLSS on a certain level available on AMD hardware like they did (kinda) with G-sync once Freesync was made available by AMD. FSR is continuing to make improvements but still isn't on DLSS's level.

The 4060ti is a good, quality card that many gamers could and should use as their gaming GPU.....for $299.99

I am happy and thankful the spirit of NBR carried on over here. It has become my first stop of the day usually over a cup of tea. The Fantastech is exactly what I'm banking on too. I noticed the model of 6750xt I'm targeting (this MSI) is already $319.99 and has Fantastech price protection in place already but I have to wait till the 11th to buy it to match the promo with it. I'm expecting the 6750xt to most likely be ~$279.99-$299.99 for the Fantastech event. Toss in a free ~$70-80 game code for the premium edition and it becomes an easy pick up for me. The good news is it looks like this promo runs through September for Starfield so if I miss it this time around I will have to watch and wait for another sale to pick up another one. 6950xt at 1080 144hz for you will be almost a lock for most games.

I just went and checked the BIOS releases and the last two specifically target and address AMD EXPO issues so that most likely fixed your issue and problem: Hopefully that works for you. I will probably update just to see if any other changes or improvements are introduced.

4060ti is just garbage at $400. 8% faster at 1080p and 5% faster at 1440p on average across 50 titles vs 3060ti (and actually slower in a few titles due to memory bandwidth) Only two Nvidia cards that are worthy are the 4090 (by far the best even at that cost) and the 4070 (distant second). Everything else is hot priced garbage but seeing the 4080 actually go on sale briefly at $999 is a little light at the end of the tunnel. I'm definitely locked into a 6750xt for the sff build (I'm sure this 13900ks is going to scoff at that GPU choice even at 1080p 🙂 ) as long as the price holds at ~319.99 or lower in a few days especially when the Starfield promo kicks off and Prime Days / Newegg specials kick off. Maybe the perfect storm to land a killer priced GPU with promo included.

After much research and internal debate, I decided to go with a 6750xt as my SFF card. The HYTE Revolt 3 I picked up (it arrived yesterday) has a built in 700w PSU leaving a nice, ample power window for the GPU of ~350-400w. Plus the price and 12GB of VRAM sealed the deal over the 4060/4060ti which I just can't in good faith pick up. 6750xt will be more than enough to drive 144hz 1080p on this 22" portable display (also received, tested and a killer open box deal for $80!). As luck would have it, AMD will be bundling Starfield with it (which I had planned on picking up anyhow) and the premium edition at that starting in three days (11.07.23) https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-starfield-bundle-starts-on-july-11th-will-include-ryzen-7000-cpus-and-radeon-rx-6600-gpus

What were you running before? I just checked and I'm running 1.74 so I'll check out the changes. I don't recall seeing the memory restore function either. I'll check before I potentially update. Hopefully one of the subsequent revisions has addressed a boot/hang issue with Samsung modules!

Whew, that's a pick 'em choice right there. You lose a bit in productivity in exchange for a bit of gaming performance increase (~6-10% performance vs ~8-12% in some games). If that was my criteria, I would pick the 7950X3D. Best of both worlds unless time really is money to that degree that a few hundred Mhz is a deal breaker especially with the current pricing of $557 for the 7950X3D making it cheaper than the 7950x at this moment. If I hadn't picked up this SP115 13900KS to build out my sff travel system, I would have grabbed a 7950X3D for that price and built out the sff rig around the 7800X3D instead and popped that 7950X3D in my main rig. I'm subscribing to the, "better to have it and not need it" school of thinking in regards to X3D. If I was going to overclock outside of PBO and really want to push as much as I could on lets say an older BIOS revision pre 1.3v SOC lock, I would grab the 7950x If the 7950x drops to sub $500 then it really becomes even more difficult again to pick either one. You really can't go wrong with either chip. They're both great.

You know there are going to be Asus Fanbois who are going to pay those prices for those. I do have some mild interest in their 4090 Matrix though. As for the 13900ks.... $890USD + S&H? Mmmmkay. Decent SP though but still.

You know I tagged you in on that post earlier in this thread right?

@tps3443 did you see this post over on the OCN in regards to your hunt for another 13900ks?

True, if @Raiderman has a local MC, he can cut out a lot of the legwork right then and there.

The 7000 series by design is optimal around 6000 but some golden IMCs can do 6400-6600. tRFC on M-die does tend to cap around 400-450 albeit my best set of M-die's do 384. tCKE can do close to zero on AMD. Every kit of M-die topped out at CL30-36-36 1.4v @ 6000 SR while these A-die do 6000 28-35-35. My current AMD timings on A-die (I'm going to go back in and re-test TRFC): Unfortunately this isn't true anymore as I saw a kit of G.skill 7200 M-die's from G.skill for sale a few weeks back which completely upended my range game. Some may be able to as I know my G.Skill M-die 6400 kit can boot to 7200 but error out on TM5. @Raiderman I would suggest following @Mr. Fox advice and maybe get a kit of TeamGroup so you can lock in the Hynix component of the equation. My best set of M-die's ( 2x16GB pair I bought last year with third party aRGB heatsinks) are sitting in the drawer at the moment. I ran those for weeks on my 7800X3D both last set of BIOSes no problem before upgrading to 64GB A-die. They are dialed in and tested at 6000 with a sheet of custom timings. If for some reason the set you order still fail or still get that A6 hang let me know as these are rock solid with no issues on my X670E Carbon. If my set hangs then you will definitely know it is your motherboard or issue elsewhere not the memory.

I've been looking but I haven't found anything that associates Hynix memory for AMD with AMD Expo qualifications. It is just their version of XMP. It really is a crap shoot which brand will be under the hood unless you track down a known, good used set of sticks in regards to maker. Lucky with AMD 7000 series, M-die is as good as A-die for us frequency wise as AMD gives up the ghost even on a top bin IMC around 6400-6600 and usually settles in around 6000-6200 on SR sticks. DR sticks can sometimes be problematic >5600. At least Newegg and Amazon have good return policies if needed in case you end up with Samsung.

@win32asmguy So i finally got a chance to delid that binned 12900k and you can see now why it ran so hot in the face of superior V/F curve at 4.2 even against my cool hand luke which was still pulling a touch more but running much cooler on the desktop and laptop capped equally. Having tested ~6 12900k's and one 12900KS chips, yours just flew in the face of, "why is it pulling so low yet running so warm even capped at 140w and/or UV -.100 on the desktop even with a full 360mm AIO??" I think it is a case of a great low range V/F chip that had a terrible stim job. In this pic the STIM is grossly evenly distributed and I've never seen whole areas missing before especially with those odd patches looking this bad compared to other delid's I've done. First glance at the STIM pattern (especially around the edges of the die) left me going, "ahhhh there we go..." We'll see how it does after a proper clean up and relid.

In regards to the USB issues absolutely reasonable to focus the blame on AMD. I do know @Mr. Fox was having other issues with his Asus board though in conjunction with the AMD USB issues. My MSI had the USB issue. His Asus had the issue and my brother's Gigabyte B550 has the issue. I ended up just getting a USB PCIe card to circumvent it for his system as he wasn't willing to go through a MB swap.

Same with my X570 MSI Tomahawk. That USB issue was a deal breaker. Your adventures into the 5950x were something to behold to put it mildly.... It was definitely a bit of both.

I can usually dial in some issue or issues I've had on just about every motherboard (just comes with the territory), but there's nothing I can really complain about with the MSI X670E Carbon. Only issue I had was with Samsung DDR5 modules just acting completely inconsistent. I'm not alone though as it seems to be a problem with many across several brands of AMD AM5 boards. Hynix just works as intended. That's a nice bit of overkill in the best way. 🙂 I did the same thing with my MSI X670E board on Amazon and it was brand new except missing the original box. I still have my eye on a Taichi 7900 XTX though (especially returning the 4090 FE opens up a future budget slot). Are you still getting hang on restarts with Hynix modules? I had problems with Samsung modules but it has been smooth sailing with these M-die sets and no hangs.