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My wife and I were just talking about how fast 2023 is flying by....

The biggest slap in the face is early BIOS revisions for my Z690 D4 once you set the RGB for the motherboard it was set and you could uninstall Armory Crate and/or do a clean install and it stayed fix. Even if it lost mains, the cmos battery kept the settings. Now? With a BIOS update and all subsequent BIOS updates, now it never stays set and requires software to set it each and every time. This is targeted and malicious. Luckily OpenRGB will set it so I use that to set the color on boot. Armory Crate will never touch this system. Same problem with the Strix G18. Any meaningful RGB settings require Armory Crate which is just malware trash for Asus to monetize.

This is my approach. I've been scammed before or taken advantage of even by "friends" and family. First time I was scammed (to date myself) was someone wanted to swap a I had 20MB HD for their 9.6k modem. Cross shipped mine and never got theirs. Last one was a FnF to a "friend" in Australia for a couple of old CPUs to upgrade some Think Servers. I don't get people sometimes. Some were rectified, others not so much. But in the end it is just paper and I've been given what I think is a pretty blessed life overall and I'm thankful for where I am so I can shrug it off most times as the cost of doing business. I've had this same name for almost 25yrs now since my ebay account creation (July 1998). I routinely tell people I'm not hard to find. 🙂

Someone accusing Iunlock for scamming him out of $6k: https://www.overclock.net/threads/scam-alert-iunlock-liquidhz-liquidhz-studios.1805107/

Having done hard tubing on RaspberryPi projects for aesthetics (mainly cable routing to look fancy), I am fully in the soft tubing camp. I like the idea of that all in one kit but are there any reviews on it especially the CPU block? As that can make or break a loop real quick.

Married life with a new kid will quickly suck away all free time. 🙂

I know that Best Buy Liquid I tested was garbage along with the one @Papusan quoted which was air based. Reading through threads on various forums, one truth is if you don't care about OC or boost clocks all 4090s are monster cards. On the other hand, if you want a good out of box boost and/or OC on GPU/mem, the variance is pretty staggering. I spent a bit looking around and I only found the rare 4090 that would boost out of box ambient to 2835+ and 3135 OC'd like mine and will sit there at 3120 gaming no problem on stock MSI vBIOS. I know +1700 on my memory on mine is upper end but then again there are those rare gems that hit +2000 right out of the box no problem. One thing I never did try was letting the memory get warm and scale real time to see if that added a bit of headroom on the memory. It really does come down to the luck of the draw as your Strix showed you on a $2000 GPU. That is inexcusable jacking up the price ~$400 over baseline MSRP for random picks from the hat. I'm just glad you got a good sample that should primed and ready for HOF vBIOS and some chilled block action to really push it up and beyond chilled air. 🙂

I'm really interested in their 16" model with the GPU module. I might pick one of those up when they come to market and what specs. I don't need overkill. So glad third time was the charm! It is better than your first and this is three Suprims (mine, yours x 2) that have been very good specimens. Can't wait till you block it and bring the thunder brother. 🙂

As if on cue....(I really like what they're trying to do):

Congrats! Third time's the charm? (fingers crossed) Hopefully this one can make it to a block 🙂 @Raiderman 6800xt vs 7900xt so a 7900xtx would get you even a bit more punch:

4060 mobile not worth the upgrade over 3060.... So basically this generation the 4080/4090 mobile (kind of like the desktop in a sense) are the only meaningful upgrades this time around.

@jaybee83 and news/progress on Prema for the NH55? I ended up doing as I predicted last year and picked up @win32asmguy's NH55 so wondering where it stands. I plan on testing at least 3 12900k's (including my 160w full load 12900k desktop sipping monster) and sorting out which one is best and delidding it and moving onto some heatsink mods I have in mind.

Just about every board I tested with 12900k chips fed them way too much voltage for stock performance especially MSI. The same was said for the 11900k too. I suspect it is also the same for 13900k. Once properly dialed in, the voltage requirements dropped for every single one of my chips along with package power and temps. There were such extremes as being able to shave 90-100w off the CPUs or more and have them perform just as well and sit there and churn through P95 even. Most Intel motherboards have options for enforcing Intel spec'd limits. If you go in there and set it as such either with an auto selection or manually, it WILL conform to 125w or 253w. Your performance will suffer of course 🙂 but it is there. I know Asus has a clear option to select to remove all limits if you wish. But therein lies the problem. Joe Consumer shouldn't have to poke and prod in the BIOS or desktop even with XTU or similar to tame their CPU. They shouldn't have to worry about silicon quality, delidding or figure out compounds or check pairing pressure and other BS we rather enjoy on these forums dialing in our CPUs. AMD is not innocent either as De8auer showed, a delid and BIOS adjustments could bring down that 95c ceiling real quick to the 70s on the 7000 series and shave off a lot of that noise. They lost their initial momentum with absurdly priced CPUs and motherboards and quickly had to offer bonus memory, and "sale prices" (that became permanent).7950X3D is a sloppy mess for Joe Consumer in many instances and you already have some tech tubers lamenting the issues and problems in their setups and testing basically saying wait for the 7800X3D. But when all is said and done, AMD is most definitely a worthy competitor vs Intel on all fronts: Enterprise, Desktop and Mobile. I loathe to think of if they didn't keep Intel on their toes and we would be being fed pitiful incremental upgrades stretched out as long as possible at as high of price points as possible......like Nvidia is doing since AMD is zero threat realistically this time around and Nvidia's market share has remained at 80%+. (boo) Then again, overall Intel still retains ~70% of the x86 market so it isn't like they aren't dominant but AMD is much closer on their heels than Nvidia. I feel like Intel is scrambling and bringing all they can to the table to stay competitive. Biggest surprise for me? AMD's new mobile chips. Kind of makes up for the disappointment of the 7900xtx. If Zen5 is anything like it is to be rumored, it will be Comet vs Zen3 all over again which is bad news for Intel. I'm waiting for the 7800X3D for a potential buildout depending on WoW and FO76 data. Beauty of this is Zen5 will slot right in. 7900XTX sat at 100% with my 12900k 5.3/5.2 all core (while performing on the level of my 3080....*sigh*) so hopefully X3D can help even that out. 5800X3D was a monster for WoW and only a fully tuned and optimized 12900k could beat it and not by much. Can you tell I had high hopes for AMD and their desktop GPUs this time around? 😒 I agree we are sitting in a bubble. I've alluded to that numerous times over the years from laptop expectations to CPUs, GPUs and more. 99% of users just want to flip a switch and for their systems to work as presented, period. When they encounter an issue or problem they don't know what to do and either call customer support or turn to a friend or family member that would most likely be at home in this thread. 🙂 Ampere again.....3080ti's only so far. Nothing to see here. I'm sure if these cards had run New World before they would have went KABOOM already (tongue in cheek). 🙂

I'm on the hunt potentially for a 12900k/12900ks with a monstrously low V/F 4.3ghz point to start potentially binning for the NH55 laptop adventures. If you happen to see one out in the wild let me know. Has to be better than 0.989v which I have one atm.

Yep, unless something changes drastically next go around with the 5000 series (zero desire for the TI at this point seeing as my 4090 is being choked by my 12900k atm), I will be grabbing the cheapest model I can find and hope to slap a discount code on it and call it a wrap. I love my Suprim. It delivers everything I could want and is a top sample silicon for the GPU and above average for the mem and no coil whine and great temps and destroyed my 3090ti but if I could go back I would have kept the 4090 Trio I had ordered from BB and pocketed the ~$400 difference when all was said and done (10% discount, 5% best buy rewards, etc...). It could be a bad clocker and perform 1-5% less but for ~$400 in my pocket I'll be ok. 🙂

Nice take on cheaper vs more expensive 4090s:

At least the Alienware is topping out at 68c on the GPU and not pegging 100c on the CPU unlike the Strix hitting 87c on GPU (that was a 4080 too) and 100c on the CPU even in less CPU intensive games like FO76. CPU score on the strix was right around the same score @ssj92 scored too (~15-16k). Something is amiss. But again the GPU temps are very nice.

An old Brother 5470DW still handles the bulk of my printing duties. Canon sent me a MF453dw to evaluate recently. Much more modern interface and added functionality but the print quality isn't as good as the old 5470DW at 2-3x the size.

Basically this. I'm still riding my original 12900k plus another to play around with from a destroyed system I received (PSU, motherboard, storage and memory were fried from a surge. 3080ti GPU was thankfully saved. CPU survived) and the one in my NH55. I skipped 13900k as for my needs it just didn't offer enough to upgrade but I will probably pick up one of the last RPL refreshes in the fall assuming it is still on Socket 1700 if it can offer a bigger uplift on the P-cores overall. I suspect the IMC will be better too. Or the 7800X3D drops next month and crushes in WoW and FO76 where the 12900k even locked at 5.3 P-cores only is holding back my 4090 even on this 43" 4k Samsung. There's a good chance I will pick up a 7800X3D and motherboard to give it a whirl. I still have these heat sinked DDR5 M-die sticks sitting in my drawer twiddling their thumbs...

LOL, only EVGA 1300w PSU I ever had arrived open box DOA from Amazon and went right back. 🙂 I use the original P2 1600w that shipped with my KPE 3090TI. I kept that when I sold it. It now powers my Suprim 4090 and is quiet as a church mouse under load.

The benefit will be small and you and I are speaking the same language. 🙂

lol, I didn't know if you ordered one or not since it wasn't delidded! 🤣 If you don't need it I'll definitely take it off your hands and cancel my order. I'll send you a PM.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. I've been using forums since back in the BBS days (Think 1980s) and acting and behaving in a certain way is required to keep a civilized discourse flowing across all subjects. In the end, these are private forums being offered for free by @Reciever to keep alive the NBR spirit and beyond. It really is a, "If you don't like it, don't use it," approach on the Internet. Many users there (and across every forum I've ever used) have received warnings and many were banned for various infractions. Why am I and most others able to use various forums and go our entire existence never having recieved (pun intended) so much as a warning while others seem to continually be warned, suspended and banned? Why is that? Just something to chew on.

Boiled down, a larger IHS or even cold plate must also have a dissipation rate that can take advantage of the increased size else it will just eventually saturate and you end up almost with the efficacy of the smaller IHS and/or cold plate. Of course the idea is to make sure you primarily have proper coverage of the surface needing heat dissipation in the first place (Looking at you Arctic and 13th gen). I have a collection of Rockitcool delidders from 6th through 10th gen (they skipped 11th for several reasons) and they all worked great. I tend to think when I see issues or problems with end users using them it ends up being a problem with their usage and not the actual device itself. Almost every time I check they did something wrong. The one upside of the newer copper Rockitcool IHS for my use is it is slightly taller than the stock Intel IHS for better laptop pairing pressure (if needed) down the road. I have a lot of tinkering ideas planned for this NH55 to extract as much performance as possible from 12900k in it and remove thermals as the main issue. I'm not sure if this was a conscientious design decision (Compensate for width with height for mass equalization) or just a byproduct of the design itself. Outside of that, with my former Silicon Lottery 10900k and LTX 10900k, I actually found I got equal or better results from just using the stock IHS in my X170SM-G and desktop with pairing pressure being a non issue in both scenarios since my original X170SM-G from ZtecPC had all types of mods done to it to allow it to really clamp down on the CPU. My replacement one lacked all the mods (along with my own done) and the difference is immediate and noticeable. If I had held onto it, I was going to slowly re-create the wheel to implement all of them again. The upside was everything inside was fresh and brand new.

Yeah my G18 is already boxed up for return. I've worked with it for a few weeks now and it isn't even a build quality issue but lack of tuning and temps shooting to 100c while gaming. I waited for the 307 BIOS to drop which fixes the undervolt issue (BIOS limit is 0.080 but for some reason would cap at 0.030) and even with a 0.080 max UV it is still shooting to 100c gaming even in something not even CPU taxing like Fallout 76. Same issue with the MSI GL66 Pulse (12700h). If I can't tune it after maximizing physical cooling to keep it from cooking (and fans running at max) it has to go. Other issue is the display has monstrous bleed all over especially along the bottom on the 2560x1600 panel. It is limited to 4800 memory. Even when testing 5600 or 4800 memory with faster timings it simply won't boot. Just blank screens. Coil whine is pretty monstrous. GPU pegs to 87c (max) when gaming even with zero OC. Tiny barrel connector screams solder break. 1yr warranty. And a few other issues. Did a couple of M18 test configs on the Dell site and you can beat the price easy with the 15% discount. I will wait till you all get your units in to see if I want to pick one up. Somehow I've managed to sell off ALL my laptops except the NH55 which I plan on keeping for quite some time as a fun pet project.