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Another reason I stick with EVGA when able....

The whole KPE 3090ti launch and markdown ($2499 -> $1999) less than a month in just didn't sit well with me. I get that tech as an enthusiast pursuit will always result in a net loss Y2Y but the timing and everything just rubbed me the wrong way on a personal level.

I was mulling it over for a week or so and finally reached out to EVGA with the timing and mark down being so soon after launch and basically $500 is nothing to scoff at.

Being in the tail end of the second wave also put my purchase date ~10+ days after the official launch and firmly within a month of the mark down.

They got back to me earlier and after a little back and forth credited me back the difference of the old vs new price. They didn't have to but they did and without all the pomp and circumstance you sometimes get ("We're giving you this one time courtesy" , "We normally don't do this", "Feel lucky peon!")  and that goes a long way with myself and how companies treat their customers on a micro level.

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have a hunch they are selling in large measure based on impulsive spending, and that is also by design.

 

If I am going to be honest, I have to admit that I have needed to deliberately close my browser window and walk away from my computer because some of the excellent prices for GPUs that I have ZERO need for are very compelling. The prices are so low compared to the ludicrous prices we became numb to that my dumber self is becoming more difficult to control.

Yeah the prices even had me looking around for a reason to pick up another high end card. I sold my 3070 when I moved the wife to my Strix 3080 so any purchase is going to be 3080ti/6900 levels or higher.

We're really seeing the end of a cycle decline in prices that is super heightened because they were so grossly overpriced for so long. I try to view the markdowns compared to original intended MSRP and the newest round of markdowns have them at or below their original MSRP especially the 3090ti/3080ti.

3090ti FE original MSRP...........$1999.99 (giggle)

3090 FE original MSRP..............$1499.99**

3080ti FE original MSRP............$1199.99

3080 FE original MSRP..............$  699.99**

3070ti FE original MSRP.............$ 599.99

3070 FE original MSRP...............$ 499.99

** Original Ampere launch day prices.

Tack on $100-300 for original AIB pricing for better tiered models. The biggest savings are clearly at the top.

43 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

HA! sure sure, mining only had a minor impact in your revenues, uh huh! 33 - 44% DOWN. get outta here Nvidiots.... im super happy and annoyed while reading this, at the same time 😛 

So true! They knew exactly who was buying a large portion of their cards. 🙂

A gamer wants one card on average maybe another one for an auxiliary rig.

Miners? As many as they could get world wide in every country.

Easy money sell pallets of GPUs directly to miners. I don't fault Nvidia and AIBs for maximizing profits but own it.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Great news for those who wait for 4000 series graphics cards or want to buy the older 3000 series. Maybe they also have to adjust price expectations for the higher end 4000 cards? There is no miners this time that can help them keep prices well above MSRP. And too high MSRP prices over normal on next gen high end will only lower the sales of those type cards.

 

And the bird who told Jay that the prices won't go down any further knew all this would happen. I hope we finally will see loads of used 3000 cards flooding the web coming weeks. This will certainly help Nvidia to see the light 🙂

 

NEWS

 2022-08-08 15:05 

NVIDIA announces weaker Q2 gaming GPU sales, now working with channel partners to adjust prices

Weaker sales are likely the results of cryptocurrency crash and post-COVID market with lower demand of PC hardware. Nice, and Nvidia said the miners was in minority buying their ampere graphics cards.

Q2 had no choice but to be weaker. This time last year they couldn't keep up with demand even with cards grossly marked up. Hopefully 4000 series is held off a bit while the market continues to adjust downward so 4000 pricing reflects reality not the outlier bubble we experienced world wide.

To get optimal pricing on 3000 series it is finding that tipping point where 3000 supply is right at the drying up spot and pricing has trended down as much as it will before it might go back up a bit and/or the card(s) you want are no longer available. I don't think we're quite there yet.

Checking even Newegg, you will see many models of cards are gone/out of stock now across several AIBs so they are definitely moving especially higher tier models.

For example, if you were holding out for certain Asus Strix models, they're gone. from the 3080 and 3090 models with only more expensive specialty models left. Gobs of TUFs though.  ROG Strix 3090ti is in stock for $1500 but they took a step backwards with its PCB and it's basically the TUF PCB in there versus the superior 100% poscap design of the Strix 3080 and 3090.

Same applies to Gigabyte. Their top end Master cards are gone now. All that's left are Eagles and Visions for 3080/3080ti. Gigabyte 3090 models? Master and Xtreme cards are still $2k+

The only sub $1k EVGA 3080 model on Newegg now is the 10gb model. All over 3080s are >$1k that are left. One model of FTW3 3090 left and those pesky FTW3 3090ti's but they're priced higher than direct from EVGA.

I'll reiterate. If you have your eye on a particular model and it is one of the upper tier models, you might want to think about picking it up sooner than later if the price has come down.

Of course if price is your sole objective and you want the cheapest whatever brand/model then hold on. There's still room for drops. 🙂

4 hours ago, Snowleopard said:

I'm already not impressed with this forum site because all the questions are in 1 massive thread, Has anyone looked into what the cost would be to start our own forum site? I hate forum sites with advertisements, but I guess that is how they fund keeping the site open.

This site is laid out just like the old NBR in regards to the forums with owner threads.

I don't see any advertising here. I do use an ad blocker but even switched off to check I do not see any.

If @Reciever needed to pump in some ads to support the site I would turn my blocker off for this site as a courtesy.

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

EVGA ain't as honnest as you think. And Jay should be very careful what he post in media. Not that he is the one to blame for spreading the news, but hi took out the cat from the bag. The one who was the bird who told him... None know. But it smells bad. 

 

EVGA tried hard as they could to hide that they sold mining equipments to the miners. And be you sure... Loads of cards also went to miners outside the normal sales channels. Same as all the other of Nvidia's AIB partners (Msi, Asus, Gigabyte etc). Even Nvidia themself sold loads of Ampere cards directly to miners. They are all guilty for scummy business. Evga is only one of many companies with same business philosophy. Profits over bodyes Max profits over honesty. 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/evga-1300-m1-mining-psu

 

Of course, EVGA isn't being loud about the launch -- there was no announcement or press release. Rather, the unit just appeared on NewEgg(opens in new tab), seemingly out of nowhere, but I guess this is logical: companies that come out with mining hardware aren't exactly popular right now. The PSU also isn't listed on EVGA's website either.

 

I think I said it before that out of all the companies during the GPU craze EVGA handled it the best IMHO but that doesn't mean perfect or close to it.

I expect EVGA to operate like any other for profit company at its core. Mass selling to miners was a no brainer. People had delusions about how the queues were going to work and somehow override massive, large profitable sales of mass units in a single transaction or obligations to resellers? Sure... Queue members were low buyers on the totem pole but it still added some order to the chaos at that time.

I have no problems with mining, miners or what they choose to do with their hardware. I have no problems with companies that day in and day out look to optimize and maximize their profits. That is their primary function and as long as you view them as such you make your buying decisions accordingly.

EVGA just sold out of the FTW3 3090ti $1149 model.

$1199.99 (which is their "best") is the last one in stock at that $1200 price point. I suspect when it sells out they will shift the formerly low end $1399.99 down to $1149 or $1099 to finish blowing them out and if needed shift the 3090ti AIO model down to $1299.99 soon. The stock on their top end models (3080 and up) is drying up at a decent rate.

EDIT: 3090ti $1199 back up to $1399 to match the other one.

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

probably the same workforce they hired additionally to keep up with demand during the pandemic. no feeling sorry from my side, this is just the market adjusting irself to normal levels after the uber hype craze during the pandemic...what goes up, must come done again, eventually 😋

Yep, that's basically what Steve said. Workforce contraction among tech companies is up across the board. Makes sense with plummeting sales and reality kicking back in.

EVGA lays off 20% of work force (along with a few other companies):

25 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I always thought that guy was squirrely, but now I know he is absolutely nuts. I don't agree with him at all. Prices are what the market will bear. There is nothing shady or dishonest about it, and if EVGA sells off stock for less or even at a loss as next gen approaches there is nothing wrong with that, and it is not screwing customers that bought at a different price point. If anyone is scummy it is NVIDIA for releasing a 3090 Ti in the first place so they could back-stab 3090 owners. Jules' potty mouth makes him seem even more retarded. And, I don't think Jay was part of any conspiracy. He was told something by somebody and what he was told turned out to be different than what he was told. This guy needs to just pull his panties out of his butt crack and stop smoking crack, LOL. If he wants to do some kind of idiot boycott of the best brand and convinces some of his followers to follow suit, that's great because it leaves more items available from the best brand for the rest of us.

 

I don't need a 3090 Ti and I don't want to spend $1,200 on a GPU that is soon to be obsolete, but watching his video makes me want to grab one from EVGA deliberately out of spite for his nonsense.

This was pretty much my take. He went off the rails HARD. At first I'm going, "Ok, that sounds alright...." to "well that is possible" to "Huh?" then when he started the whole conjecture sprew I faded fast.

I don't think JZ2C was pushing anything...just commenting on past market conditions but failing to factor in the massive mark up from the Pandemic even on new products which could result in an even bigger depreciation of value when crashing.

Jufes failed to recognize all the other AIBs massively marking down their prices too. EVGA in the here and now just happen to mark theirs down more to clear out inventory.

Clearly it is working as most of the 3090 models are dried up and gone now for EVGA. KPE 3090ti is officially sold out even after adjusting for the E1 lackluster response and many of their other models are sold out too.

3090ti           4 of 5 models left (KPE sold out, HC pulled before launch)

3090             2 of 5 models left (KPE sold out)

3080ti           1 of 7 models left (XC3 Ultra)

3080  12GB   1 of 9 models left (Only XC3 HC left)

3080  10GB   4 of 7 models left (Prices will need to come down more but getting dangerously close to 3070ti land)

One moment he's railing on EVGA next he's bragging about the $2k he made from his viewers using his associates code.....

He very badly wants to be noticed by Linus and JZ2C....you can just tell. 🙂

$1149.99 for a FTW3 3090ti is a damn good price no matter how anyone attempts to crap all over it. $350 less than the 3090 launch MSRP for the FE and $450+ less than launch AIB pricing for the 3090. I know there's a ton of resentment from the whole "Perfect Storm" of pricing from the last few years but enough is enough.

1 hour ago, Snowleopard said:

I just made it here from NBR, sad that site is down.

Yeah that was a good run over there. I was a member since 2008/9 so 10+ years.

Luckily after some clearing of the air with three potential forums as a replacement the other two went under but NBT persisted and is growing and thriving.

Welcome back!

Jufes going in HARD on EVGA (JayZ2C a bit).....

EVGA is clearly living rent free in his head atm 🙂

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

It’s about luck, using the better firmware, MB and never give up 🙂 

 

https://www.itproportal.com/2013/10/21/overclocking-haswell-processors-how-and-when-to-do-it/

 

Edit. Forgot to say… Great job with the old 🙂

 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5056325_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_980_ti_76701_marks

 

Still not reached 1000$. All 3090 Ti should reach that price point. The lower end cards should be priced even lower. 

NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti getting even cheaper

https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-ftw3-drops-to-1149-usd-it-is-now-1000-usd-cheaper

$1149.99/$1199.99 for the previous $2149.99 and $2199.99 models for a FTW3 3090ti.....wow.... $1k price drop. They're even cheaper than their own 3090 meaning they ordered based on old market conditions that suddenly came to a screeching halt.

28 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

were FINALLY getting somewhere! original quote: "it seems like the evil spirits have finally left your machine, exorcism accomplished" 😂🤠

 

ok we finally got a solid baseline now and can successfully flash custom code. now its off to getting actual shit done. wish us luck guys!

That is awesome to read! Progress! 👏

Final nail in the coffin for that ProSiphon Elite from der8auer @ ~245w (OC'd 11th gen):

19 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

welp, never mind on that then if it aint beating an NH-D15 *lol*

Yeah all that hype to score the same or slightly worse than the NH-D15. I still keep one as a back up ready to go just in case.

6 hours ago, joe4kyo said:

I seem to recall firmware issues of some kind, maybe I remember wrongly from the old forums. Personally I have a 2080S so a change to a 3080 seems rather pointless, but was interested in the theory

I'm not sure if that was with stock BIOS or Prema but either way I agree. We're both in the same boat with 2080S so the 3080 upgrade is ho hum at best.

On 8/2/2022 at 4:24 AM, joe4kyo said:

has anyone ever managed to get a 3080 in a smg?

No one yet has tried it, but I can't see a reason one wouldn't work. Just swap in a KM heatsink or pickup a universal heatsink from Aliexpress and you're good on the hardware front.

54 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Long time since I saw this video. I think the design is for TR chips and not so very efficient for smaller die as Intel chips. 

See above. I still think this isn’t a great cooler for Intel chips. The design of the cold plate isn’t optimized for small chips. 

50 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Not that the reviews are totally reliable, but probably no less reliable than YouTube reviewers. Those who purchased it and used it on smaller CPUs seem to be very satisfied with it and some even said it worked better than an AIO cooler it replaced. 

 

It doesn't matter that much to me since I have no interest in air cooling whatsoever, but I thought the concept was quite interesting, and it seemed like something that could be more effective than the typical tower air cooler.

Looks to be about equal with an NH-D15 in this extensive setup and testing review:

2 hours ago, ryan said:

my gut says the 4k series will be closer to desktop in laptops....but im tired of upgrading everything every year

 

honestly im going desktop....die hard laptop gamer for 15 years pulling out.....they are useless door stops after 4 years

You won't regret it. For true, unbridled performance nothing beats a good desktop. Laptops on the go obviously or when I want to relax in the recliner but outside of that? Desktop all the way.

1 hour ago, Clamibot said:

Anyone who says a desktop CPU can't be as efficient as a laptop CPU obviously doesn't know how to do proper tuning.

 

I tune all my systems for power efficiency when I need it and performance when I need it.

 

Here is the 10900K in my newly built workstation at idle:

 

The CPU only consumes 1 watt while idle. Obviously this is a desktop, so absolute performance matters more, which is what I'm going to tune for next, but this is proof desktops can compete with laptops in power efficiency when tuned correctly.

 

I dont think I will get another laptop after my X170SM-G given the current idiotic state of the laptop market. I'm also tired of getting screwed over on upgrades. I'll be going for a dual desktop setup; one uber powerful one that stays at home, and one portable one that can fit into a laptop bag.

 

Time to see what this super 10900K is capable of with the MasterLiquid M360 Sub-Zero.

There really isn't anything out there that tickles my fancy except maybe the NH55 which is as close as it has come outside of that BGA GPU. Hopefully an aftermarket HS will pop up on Aliexpress. X170SM-G is running calm, cool and collected. Low to no noise and no thermal throttling anywhere. I do hope Clevo will right the ship even more back to the P870TM'esque days with 13th gen but I'm not holding my breath.

13 minutes ago, ryan said:

if the 4k series is going to be as good as they say i might upgrade a bit early

 

 

3dmark is prepping also

 

https://benchmarks.ul.com/news/get-ready-for-3dmark-speed-way

Are you thinking 4000 series laptop or building out a desktop?

On 8/1/2022 at 3:33 PM, jaybee83 said:

hey u gotta start somewhere right? plus theres always gonna be someone higher level than u (in all instances of life), so no sweat, just enjoy 😃✌🏼

Yeah I'm enjoying it more than I thought I would but then again I played through and liked all the original games too from original launch so there was a very strong chance I was going to like this one too.

39 minutes ago, ryan said:

read on my phone 4070ti is going to perform like a 3090ti...

In theory yep when it launches late next year or early 2024. Expect the standard Nvidia roll out 4090 first then 4080 then 4070 early next year. Slight wait till the big fish buy the higher end cards then finally 4060 and 4050s limp in. Wait. Then refresh time.

I hope that AMD is going to be enough of a threat that Nvidia comes right out of the block and has to offer the 4090ti flagship and like the 1080ti and 2080ti that is the top dog the entire life cycle.

1 hour ago, Tenoroon said:

I'd like to use an EVGA board whenever I switch over to a desktop, but the MSRP of their boards is quite high in my opinion. I understand that the Dark series is going to be expensive because they are of very good quality and overbuilt for XOC, but I wish the Classified was a bit cheaper, or if they re-introduced the FTW SKU to slot between the Classified and Dark or below the Classified (can't remember how their tier naming goes lol.)

The discounts on the boards right now seem very reasonable though. 500 USD for the Dark board seems like a steal to me.

I'm tempted to get a Classified. Killer price and would tie in nicely with my GPU. Throw in an associate's code discount and knock off another 5%. I'm just wary of 4 slots as I will only use 2.

And true, launch pricing was high. It is quickly becoming an end cycle purchasing game now. Top tier boards at substantial discounts, new, with full warranties.

I think Classified is basically the FTW in this scenario.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

https://videocardz.com/newz/full-nvidia-rtx-40-ad104-gpu-with-7680-cores-and-400w-tdp-to-match-rtx-3090-ti-in-performance

 

 

If you can't wait then don't pay above 1000$ for a 2 years old gen card. And 3090 Ti should never have been sold for more than 1399,99$ at launch day.

 

RTX 2080 Ti was $1,200 at release and dropped to $700 with release of 3080 (this before the mining and scalpers fest). And with Nvidia's milking of the better 3090 die to make an 3090 Ti I mean the price drop has to be from 3090 level MSRP (New from the store doesn't make it more appealing regarding price value - still 2 years old GPU arch - used or brand new old tech). 

 

Valid before miners /scalping took over the GPU market https://www.techspot.com/article/2107-your-graphics-card-worth/

 

(overpriced old gen graphics cards = Joke). Nvidia's price setting for their graphics cards is awful, but what Intel offers is not much better.

 

And here is a new Joke. But from Intel.....

 

Scathing report claims Intel may cancel Arc GPUs for gaming altogether as Alchemist rumored to have a "fundamental hardware flaw"

Intel may cancel Arc for gaming if the newest report from Moore’s Law is Dead is true. The leaker claims to have gotten access to internal slides as well as inside information that paint a picture of consistently missed deadlines ...

Still a damn bad deal for a near 2 years old card (Yep, the way 3090 should have been released). I buy used cards, but not at this pervers price level.

Agreed....

Only thing we can hope is the glut will cause 4000 series card makers to re-evaluate their launch pricing to realize the Pandemic pricing was an ad hoc outlier situation with so many things that could go wrong did exactly that (Pandemic, Mining, Tariffs oh my.....) and pricing needs to get back to reality especially towards the end of the cycle when I'll be eyeing up a end cycle 4090ti or skipping altogether and getting a 5000 series if needed.

WoW Dragonflight apparently has a lot of optimizations and code clean up and runs even better than Shadowlands which did ok @ 4k full Ultra except for two areas known to bring GPUs to their knees (Ardenweald and Bastion).

I'm also playing Fallout 76 full 4k max settings and my GPU isn't even going over 130w full load it is so non taxing atm.

Even 13th gen doesn't have me excited in any type of way based on early results vs 12th.

Early results show 4080 = 3090ti

Full fat AD104 is rumored to be 4070ti (not 4070) not launching till late next year.

Maybe AMD will bring the high heat this time?

EVGA Z690 motherboards back on sale:

EVGA dropped the price of the FTW3 3090ti's down to $1399.99:

During the Steam sale I picked up Fallout 76 and put WoW down for a break till Xpac. So far, I'm liking it the 5-6hrs I have in but being a MMO(ish), I am seeing some scary levels on players who have clearly been playing for quite some time. I'm a massive level 4 atm. 🙂