electrosoft

5 hours ago, Jaggy84 said:

@electrosoft here’s some pics of HWinfo, 

first run of CB23 had a BSOD, I had my volts at -112, took it to -109 and it stabilized. Also, I can’t tell how the GPU is doing, I’d like to make sure the thermal pads are in good shape, I followed @dsanke thermal pad guide and they seem to have good compression.

 

Set it to performance mode in CCC for a higher threshhold. Throttling at 86 is a problem since it should be able to hit 90s before throttling. The total package pull of 153w is a bit low or you have a fantastic chip if it is passing CB23 with that package pull and that could be because it isn't running in performance mode. I know with my KM I had to set it to performance mode then adjust the undervolt to get it where it needed to be.

What is your actual CB23 score? This was my first tweaked run on my old KM with an 11900k and a ~100uv with no throttling. Are you running a 10900k or 11900k?

See if it can handle a 5 minute CB23 loop without crashing to add more stability to the undervolt.

Give Timespy a run too for the GPU.

 

1 hour ago, solidus1983 said:

Nice looking Heatsink, is that the Air or Water Cooled version? Also whats it performance over the stock Heatsink like???

Also +Rep for shinny IHS's and Dies!

 

As for the Bios, yes its sad that there is no ETA from Prema, however the Bios is a bugged mess. Even unlocking said Bios and having all the options will not help much till the bugs are fixed by Clevo.

This late into the game I don't know how much Clevo will have invested into the X170SM/KM. 12th gen is here and it looks like they are finished with DTRs. I know when I had my X170KIM-G it was a mess. It would shut down under load. "Performance Mode" with an 11600k still tried to cram 225w through the CPU even running the newest CCC. I was used to Prema on my X170SM-G so using the locked down stock bios of the KM was not pleasant.

 

Gen4 port was defective along with the keyboard to boot so I sent it back and I'll stick with the SM till the KM resolves itself but I'm not holding out hope.

 

I find using Edge resolves many issues over on the other sites for now. This translates into other site real world usage too in regards to Firefox. I've been a diehard Firefox user since inception (decades), but the last few years I've found myself having to default to Chrome or now Edge to get some sites to behave properly.

This site is working pretty much flawless Firefox or Edge.

Like I said before, a lot of this comes down to this site being run by a @Hiew with @Reciever carving out the vision in stone. I've found laptopforums.net has some of the same authentication and "sometimes you're logged in; sometimes you're not" issues.

Luckily we are afforded the luxury of using all three sites. My singular morning jump off visit while I quaff my tea has now turned into a three site sojourn.

19 hours ago, Custom90gt said:

Which is why TT likely dropped NBR, lol.  Oh well, I'm not a fan of catering to the man so to speak anyway.

Whenever a financial component enters the fray things immediately get muddied. The best sites I've found are always the "labor of love" endeavors that almost run as a non profit.

1 hour ago, Hertzian56 said:

Yep still won't accept un, pw and email to login for 2 days now. Doesn't send an email for pw change either. Takes care of that site for me atm.

I just checked and it came right up.

Make sure to clear your cache and when you login make sure to check "remember me" That was a major hang up with Firefox for me. I also disabled ad blocking.

I do agree authentications aren't working either.

I think one of the major differences this early on is that @Hiew is a seasoned forum runner so he comes in skills ablazin' and it shows as this site is easily the most polished so far out of the three and running like a well oiled machine. I haven't had one technical hiccup yet. I've encountered a few on the other two. @Reciever is also bringing the heavy heat with a firm attachment to the core principles and ideology of notebookreview.

Teamwork makes the dreamwork.

2 hours ago, HWI said:

I've though about going back to WoW, haven't played in a couple years, but my desire to play again is just not quite high enough to overcome the monthly subscription barrier. I think they would get a load of players back if they dropped the subscription and went free to play like New World or Guild Wars.

 

I agree, but with their acquisition by Microsoft if they fold everything into Game Pass I can see them gaining quite a few new users along with expanding the value of the current monthly subscription price for active players.

 

 

What are your specs?

 

Looks like you already delidded the CPU with a copper IHS so that was a right step.

What was the delta between the stock heatsink and the replacement?

Assuming the delid and relid is sound, you're right. Now you are in the land of undervolting and potentially seeking a cooler running chip.

Mine came stock with an already binned 10900k, but I wanted even more so I bought a used  Silicon Lottery 10900k that pulled even less at stock then undervolted it to bring it down even more.

Pop open hwmonitor and do a CB23 run to see what your Vcore and watts pull are ~10 seconds into the run to get an idea of how hot and heavy your chip is at stock.

As for Prema, still no word on an ETA for the X170KM-G.

 

 

3 hours ago, Talon said:

Just picked up the 6400 CL32 sticks from G.Skill. Plan to keep the better of the Corsair SK Hynix vs the G.Skill stuff. Can't let @Papusan have all the fun. 

Edit: The old forums were there this early morning, and now officially dead. RIP. 

☠️

 

Supply and pricing really seems to be catching up with DDR5 thankfully as they are becoming more available than not these days and don't appear on the shuffle like they did at first.

 

I'll be curious to see which sticks emerge as the clear winners as I take a wait and see with my D4.

 

I know running tests with my SP90 and it drawing 208w at stock and sub 185w LLC1 and passing everything (Y-cruncher, Prime95, etc..) saddens me that Clevo most likely won't offer a laptop chassis for it.

21 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I dont know about a formal migration due to potential legal issues. Without further illumination of the options on the table my best case hope would be to have it included in the official / Owners lounge threads but still being hosted off site.

Then it is just a matter of building back and extending the core ideology of the former forums. The most important thing was casting a life boat before the original sank so we can drift to a new island and rebuild.

 

 

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

Stay tuned for the archives as we were able to capture most of the relevant portions of the forum 🙂

That will be HUGE if you're able to migrate a good chunk of the previous forums.

I'm still playing WoW. Just leveling alts. I've also been having outings with Diablo II Resurrected. I might dip back and play CP2077 again or DX:MD

 

 

Welcome to the official X170KM-G thread covering anything and everything about the truly last DTR made by Clevo. Please read through this post as you will find a wealth of information from the thread and many questions answered you may have before asking.

 

Is Prema available for the X170KM-G?

 

Short answer: NO.

 

Long answer from XMG:

 

"The Prema Mod for XMG ULTRA 17 (E21) was in the works but was ultimately put on hold due to insurmountable differences in the control of 2DPC (Dual DIMM per Channel) with SO-DIMM in the Rocket Lake platform. Works great with desktop DIMM, but rather bad than good with SO-DIMM. Prema Mod for XMG ULTRA will therefore no longer be available from us this year."

 

Unlocked BIOS:

 

Thanks to @ViktorV we have the ability to partially unlock the X170KM-G and gain access to much needed functionality (mainly XMP/timings)

 

Will only work with most stock BIOS versions up to 1.07.08 and is incompatible with XMG BIOS since they mod/tinker with their own.

 

 

Drivers:

 

XMG is the gold standard for BIOS/EC/Drivers for the X170KM-G: https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-id-xul17e21/

 

@crossshot post with excellent links to numerous BIOS/EC/Drivers and tools:

 

 

Specs:

 

Processor	11th Generation Intel Core i9-11900K Processor (3.50GHz Base / 5.30GHz Max), 8 Core, 16MB Smart Cache 11th Generation Intel Core i7-11700K Processor (3.60GHz Base / 5.00GHz Max), 8 Core, 16MB Smart Cache 11th Generation Intel Core i5-11600K Processor (3.90GHz Base / 4.90GHz Max), 6 Core, 12MB Smart Cache 10th Generation Intel Core i9-10900K Processor (3.70GHz Base / 5.30GHz Max), 10 Core, 20MB Smart Cache 10th Generation Intel Core i9-10850K Processor (3.60GHz Base / 5.20GHz Max), 10 Core, 20MB Smart Cache 10th Generation Intel Core i7-10700K Processor (3.80GHz Base / 5.10GHz Max), 8 Core, 16MB Smart Cache
Core Logic	Intel® Z590 Express Chipset
Memory	Supports Dual Channel DDR4 Four 260 pins SODIMM sockets, support for DDR4 up to 3200MHz (Real operation frequency depends on processor) Expandable up to 128GB, depends on 8GB/16GB/32GB SODIMM module
Display	17.3” 144Hz Full HD (1920x1080), Wide View Angle 72% NTSC Display with G-SYNC Technology, Matte Finished 17.3” 300Hz Full HD (1920x1080), Wide View Angle 72% NTSC Display with G-SYNC Technology, Matte Finished 17.3” 4K QFHD (3840x2160) Matte Display with G-SYNC Technology
Graphics Processor	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30 Series Graphics - GPU Over Clocking Capable NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 GPU with 6GB GDDR6 - Maximum TGP: 130 W (including 15W Dynamic Boost 2.0) NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 GPU with 8GB GDDR6 - Maximum TGP: 140 W (including 15W Dynamic Boost 2.0) NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 GPU with 16GB GDDR6 - Maximum TGP: 165 W (including 15W Dynamic Boost 2.0) - Microsoft DirectX 12 - MXM 3.0 - Support PCIe Gen 4 by 11th Gen CPU only - NVIDIA PhysX - NVIDIA CUDA Technology - Support Dynamic Boost 2.0
Storage	(Factory Option) Four M.2 2280 SSD, Support one M.2 2280 SSD PCIe Gen4x4 interface (supported by 11th Gen CPU only), or two M.2 2280 SSD SATA interface (RAID 0/1), or three PCIe Gen3x4 interface (RAID 0/1/5)
Audio System	High Definition audio interface S/PDIF Digital output Built-in Array Microphone Built-in two 3W Speakers and a 5W Subwoofer Sound Blaster Atlas Super X-Fi Headphone Holography
Pointing Device	Built in Secure pad with Microsoft PTP multi-gesture and scrolling function
Keyboard	N-Key Rollover RGB Per Key illuminated full size keyboard with numeric pad Fully programmable macro capability – customize individual key as hot key / multiple keystrokes in one key
I/O Ports	1 HDMI output Port (with HDCP) 2 Mini DisplayPort 1.4 2 Thunderbolt 4 Ports (Type-C) 1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Port (Type-C) 3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Ports (Type-A) (1 x powered USB port, AC/DC) 1 2-in-1 Audio Jack (Headphone / Microphone) 1 2-in-1 Audio Jack (Microphone / S/PDIF Optical output) 1 RJ-45 LAN (10/100/1000/2500Mbps)
Slots	6-in-1 Push-Push Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD/Mini-SD/SDHC/SDXC up to UHS-III) Five M.2 Card Slots, - 1st for WLAN Combo M.2 2230 Card with PCIe / USB interface - 2nd for SSD M.2 2280 Card with SATA / PCIe Gen3x4 interface - 3rd for SSD M.2 2280 Card with SATA / PCIe Gen3x4 interface - 4th for SSD M.2 2280 Card with PCIe Gen3x4 interface - 5th for SSD M.2 2280 Card with PCIe Gen4x4 interface (supported by 11th generation CPU only)
Communication	Intel Dual Band Wi-Fi 6 AX + Bluetooth, M.2 2230 or Killer Dual Band Wi-Fi 6 AX1650X + Bluetooth, M.2 2230
Security	Kensington Lock Integrated Area Fingerprint Reader
Power System	Removable 8 cell Smart Lithium-Ion battery pack 97Wh Dual Full Range 280W AC Adapter, AC-in 100~240V, 50~60Hz, DC output 20V, 14A
OS Support	Windows 10 (64-bit)
Certificate	Windows 10 (64-bit) Logo HDMI Logo
Physical Characteristic	8.38 LBs with GPU Card and Battery Pack 15.71" (w) x 12.56" (d) x 1.71" (h)
Other Features	Built-in 1.0M HD Video Camera Metal top and palm rest case Light module FlexiCharger Virtual Reality ready supported Windows Mixed Reality compatible Unique Dual AC Adapter Bracket (Factory Option) Killer DoubleShot Pro with Killer Wireless module
	Specifications are subject to change without notice

 

 

Vendors still selling as of 12/16/2022:

 

HIDevolution: https://www.hidevolution.com/laptops-1/nvidia-rtx-30-series/evoc/l/search-cpu-series:intel-core-i9-11th-gen/search-screen-size:17-3

 

Eluktronics: https://www.eluktronics.com/THICC-17/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpt7j78n9-wIVxMfICh2eKQsDEAQYASABEgLcZPD_BwE

 

Clevo-Computer (Not affiliated with Clevo): https://clevo-computer.com/en/hot-offers/6036/clevo-x170km-g-qhd-165hz-intel-core-11th-gen.-desktop-processor-nvidia-rtx-3080

 

Metabox: https://www.metabox.com.au/store/b332/Metabox-Prime-X-X170KM-G-Laptop

 

Eurocom: https://eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,476,0)X170KM_NP9672M_EON17X3

 

Aftermarket upgrades:

 

Hybrid water cooled Heatsink: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256802893647618.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt&_randl_shipto=US

 

 

780w PSU (to replace your two stand alone units): https://www.hidevolution.com/780w-laptop-power-adapter-for-evoc-x1701-x170sm-g-and-x1702-x170km-g-includes-dc-cable.html

 

 

How do I control my lighting without CCC?

 

Excellent post by @Clamibot

 

Software location: https://openrgb.org/

 

 

GPU Thermal Pad Measurements:

 

If you are looking to replace/re-pad your GPU these are the locations and dimensions required. Thanks to

@ViktorV for the diagram.

 

 

Benchmarks and performance...(aka how do I get my CPU to stop throttling?):

 

Hand pick silicon (11th and 10th gen temp/pull variances are extreme)

Delid w/ LM between CPU die and IHS

Undervolt

Check HSF pairing

Replace stock screws with non-tension based units for dialed in pressure

Use Nanogrease Extreme to compensate for non-optimal pairing

 

If you can keep the overall pull under 190w and it isn't hot and leaky you might win. This goes for both 11th and 10th gen.

 

Custom run (fans on auto) in my old (Dec 2021) X170KM-G with hand picked 11th gen i9-11900k (no delid) and Nanogrease Extreme:

 

 

 

Looking for the best and newest BIOS/EC and drivers for your X170SM-G? Use XMG's fantastic support network and drivers:

 

https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-idxul17m20/

 

 

How should your X170SM-G be performing with a 10900k and 2080 Super when optimally configured? Like this:

 

 

Excellent post by @Clamibot for modded BIOS information (and Soundblaster issues):

 

 

Specs:
- Matte 17.3" 4K LCD with micro-LED Display 1000 nits (1080p 144hz, 1440p 165hz options)
- Up to 125W Intel Core i7 Desktop CPU (200w support) 10900k
- Up to 200W RTX 2080 Super
- Upgradable MXM Graphics
- Thunderbolt 3, HDMI, 3x USB-A + much more
- 4 Speakers + 2 subs
- 2x 230W Bricks
- Large bottom mesh intake
- Side vents and thick fans
- Side and back RGB lightning

 

Excellent guide for gaining physical access to the BIOS chip from @win32asmguy

 

 

 

 

@Mr. Fox Original Review:
 

 

I just saw the old forums are gone now too. RIP old forums.

Now the real competition begins for a replacement.

 

 

I do something similar in that I usually take a real tenkeyless type keyboard with me and use it when gaming if my laptop is setup in a stationary location (hotel to hotel, etc...)