*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

 Just need a few more points to break 16K... https://hwbot.org/submission/4921897...90_15967_marks | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/71699843

[electrosoft]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 https://hwbot.org/submission/4921873_

 

Very nice run!

73c @ 339w yessir!

[electrosoft]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 https://hwbot.org/submission/4921873_

 

Very nice run!

73c @ 339w yessir!

[Normimb]

On 2/5/2022 at 12:03 PM, Mr. Fox said:

 Just need a few more points to break 16K... https://hwbot.org/submission/4921897...90_15967_marks | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/71699843

Your GPU clock frequency increased at the end of the test. Could this mean there's still room for improvment?

Amazing score. What a beautiful system you got. Is it the same 10900K  you had with your clevo?

[Mr. Fox]

27 minutes ago, Normimb said:

Your GPU clock frequency increased at the end of the test. Could this mean there's still room for improvment?

Amazing score. What a beautiful system you got. Is it the same 10900K  you had with your clevo?

Thank you. I do like it a lot. I appreciate the compliment.

I have never owned a Clevo with a 10900K. I had an X170 developer unit that I did some modding POC work for zTecpc, but that belonged to them. My only laptop is a seldom-used Tongfang turdbook and I do not plan to ever purchase another laptop again in the future.

I recently obtained this 10900K from a fellow in France that said it was a golden sample. It doesn't have a crazy high Asus SP rating, but it is the best binned sample I have owned in terms of overclocking. It is not delidded and runs 5.5GHz with reasonable voltage and good temps, so can't hate that.

As far as the GPU clock... Unfortunately, everything with Turing and Ampere gets spoiled to some degree by low temperature thermal throttling, even with a K|NGP|N video card. It probably got colder near the end of the benchmark if the memory load decreased, which would make the core clocks automatically increase by a bin or two.

[Normimb]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thank you. I do like it a lot. I appreciate the compliment.

I have never owned a Clevo with a 10900K. I had an X170 developer unit that I did some modding POC work for zTecpc, but that belonged to them. My only laptop is a seldom-used Tongfang turdbook and I do not plan to ever purchase another laptop again in the future.

I recently obtained this 10900K from a fellow in France that said it was a golden sample. It doesn't have a crazy high Asus SP rating, but it is the best binned sample I have owned in terms of overclocking. It is not delidded and runs 5.5GHz with reasonable voltage and good temps, so can't hate that.

As far as the GPU clock... Unfortunately, everything with Turing and Ampere gets spoiled to some degree by low temperature thermal throttling, even with a K|NGP|N video card. It probably got colder near the end of the benchmark if the memory load decreased, which would make the core clocks automatically increase by a bin or two.

I was refering to this score on 3dmard: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/14632634  I guess it's the one you we're doing some testing on.

But yeah 5.5 GHZ  on the 10900K is simply amazing!!! NOT EVEN DELIDED???? OMG. Crazy.

Personnally my 10900k uses less voltage then average 10900k and runs cooler but if i overclock pass 5.0GHz it wiil BSOD. Maybe i have to overvolt at this point but with my laptop it will thermal throttle like crazy.

Desktop really are far superior when well tuned like yours.

[Papusan]

 

 

The new machine booted up. Used an OS disk from one of the old. Need to format and clean install. But heres the results from the bios and how it looks like for now. Huge space for cables. I found some parts that could power some of the fans. The fan cables is simply too short in this big chassis🙂

 

I think its okeyish.

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I think its okeyish.

Looks good. I am looking forward to your overclocking results. The AIO pump/block looks like a very tight fit near the VRM heat sink.

[Papusan]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looks good. I am looking forward to your overclocking results. The AIO pump/block looks like a very tight fit near the VRM heat sink.

Have still +53 days to determine if I want this chips or not. Hope we can see the KS chips in the web shops even if Intel say only their OEM partners will have them for new builds. Yep, not so happy with how thight the cooling head is vs the VRM heatsink. I can't fit in a mm in between. And I had to remove the cover on the block. If tou have seen my previous post. Arctic support sucks. +9 days to get a working ticket (to get help) in an email. What a tragedy. Wish I went for custom cooling but I need more parts and have already paid a lot due Norwegian taxes. We pay around 30-35% higher prices on parts vs etc U.S. Can't beat disgusting... Can we?🙄

Btw. What key to enter USB with Win iso on Asus board?

[Mr. Fox]

43 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Btw. What key to enter USB with Win iso on Asus board?

Spamming F8 during POST before the handoff from BIOS to OS should bring up the boot options menu to select the bootable USB.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Spamming F8 during POST before the handoff from BIOS to OS should bring up the boot options menu to select the bootable USB.

Thanks Fox. I have lokked at Asus driver download page. I'm now on Win 10 LTSC 2021 for testing. Will install 2019 LTSC when I get the ssd's I need. 

What drivers do you use? INF drivers and clean and no bloat IMEI from Win-Raid? And what of them are needed from the Asus download page? I know you have EVGA but I expect it will be the same for me and Asus. 

As well what is the latest stable firmware for Asus Z690 boards (Apex). I think about latest bios before Intel's screw up and forced the OEM to removed AVX512 support. I mean MSI have relesed a new Beta bios who still have AVX512 support. Not sure if Asus will do the same. Current bios version is the release Version 0231

@electrosoft @Talon @johnksss 

 

I say yes thanks for all valuable info. Again, Thanks 🙂

[Mr. Fox]

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

Thanks Fox. I have lokked at Asus driver download page. I'm now on Win 10 LTSC 2021 for testing. Will install 2019 LTSC when I get the ssd's I need. 

What drivers do you use? INF drivers and clean and no bloat IMEI from Win-Raid? And what of them are needed from the Asus download page? I know you have EVGA but I expect it will be the same for me and Asus. 

As well what is the latest stable firmware for Asus Z690 boards (Apex). I think about latest bios before Intel's screw up and forced the OEM to removed AVX512 support. I mean MSI have relesed a new Beta bios who still have AVX512 support. Not sure if Asus will do the same. Current bios version is the release Version 0231

@electrosoft @Talon @johnksss 

 

I say yes thanks for all valuable info. Again, Thanks 🙂

I have the Strix on Banshee and I have owned more Asus than EVGA. I probably will going forward as well.

Find the setting in your bios to disable Intel Management Engine. Also find the BIOS setting to disable the download of Armory Crate. I also disable the second NIC, WiFi and BT in BIOS, as having them installed wastes CPU clock cycles. I use the drivers that come with the mobo and generally never update them. Choose one of your BIOS chips for testing firmware versions and leave the other position alone using the firmware that shipped from the factory with your motherboard. Firmware updates are generally unimportant and of no value, but with DDR5 being new you may need them. With dual or triple BIOS you don't have to worry about firmware screwing up your system. Although you should be leery and try to avoid IME firmware update filth. Better to just disable it in BIOS PCH options if you can. It provides absolutely nothing of value in terms of functionality and having it disabled seems to give a minor improvement in performance.

If the menu to disable Intel ME is hidden in the stock ASUS BIOS a mod may be needed to expose it because ASUS is not trustworthy when it comes to kissing Micro$lop's butt. Intel ME does not serve any useful purpose for us.

[johnksss]

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

Thanks Fox. I have lokked at Asus driver download page. I'm now on Win 10 LTSC 2021 for testing. Will install 2019 LTSC when I get the ssd's I need. 

What drivers do you use? INF drivers and clean and no bloat IMEI from Win-Raid? And what of them are needed from the Asus download page? I know you have EVGA but I expect it will be the same for me and Asus. 

As well what is the latest stable firmware for Asus Z690 boards (Apex). I think about latest bios before Intel's screw up and forced the OEM to removed AVX512 support. I mean MSI have relesed a new Beta bios who still have AVX512 support. Not sure if Asus will do the same. Current bios version is the release Version 0231

@electrosoft @Talon @johnksss 

 

I say yes thanks for all valuable info. Again, Thanks 🙂

Right now I'm on 0811 for Extreme. This bios has AVX512 enabled when not using E cores.

[johnksss]

Sooooooooo....Friday night Hydrocopper water block springs like 4 leaks and soaks my Asus Maximus Z690 Extreme board under a ton of liquid. Board cuts off and wont power back on. I chalk it up as a lost cause and do my clean up of board. After my cleaning the board, the board powered back on and seems to be working fine now. All I can say is WOW! Kingpin seems to be fine as well as I had to stock it back up to make sure it was in working order. time for RMA on this stupid block.

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Sooooooooo....Friday night Hydrocopper water block springs like 4 leaks and soaks my Asus Maximus Z690 Extreme board under a ton of liquid. Board cuts off and wont power back on. I chalk it up as a lost cause and do my clean up of board. After my cleaning the board, the board powered back on and seems to be working fine now. All I can say is WOW! Kingpin seems to be fine as well as I had to stock it back up to make sure it was in working order. time for RMA on this stupid block.

This is the second time you have had a Hydro Copper KPE block to RMA if memory serves me correctly. Didn't one of the 2080 Ti KPE Hydro Copper blocks spring a leak on you as well? Sorry to hear that this happened, Brother John. Glad it didn't destroy anything else in the process.

I took apart my own 3090 KPE Hydro Copper to clean the inside of it this weekend. It was a terrible pain in the butt; almost as horrible as the 2080 Ti FTW3 Hydro Copper was. It really feels like EVGA does this on purpose to keep people from taking them apart, which makes no sense at all. People need to be able to maintain the products they buy and taking apart a waterblock for cleaning is normal maintenance. When I needed to clean the 2080 Ti FTW3 Hydro Copper block a second time, I learned from EVGA that they did not sell replacement o-rings for Hydro Copper blocks, so I sold it and replaced it with an EKWB GPU block. Unfortunately, the Kingpin model has only two options available, both difficult to acquire because of limited availability and both overpriced.

Getting the o-ring back in place was a complete nightmare. The plexi has a shallow groove for it and it tries to pop out of the groove. The groove would be better in the metal block rather than in the plexi. The o-ring is also very thin, which is why the groove is so shallow. The first time I reassembled it and leak-tested it had a leak because the o-ring slipped a tiny bit. Everything turned out fine in the end, but it was far more hassle than it should have been. This makes me angry, and causes me to think it would be best to avoid buying enthusiast grade video cards in the future and stick with less expensive generic reference PCB GPUs with multiple waterblock options and just shunt mod and voltage mod them for better overclocking.
 
I canceled the order I had for the OptimusPC KPE block because I got tired of waiting after several months and no ETA being offered. I am considering ordering one again and waiting as long as it takes, but the leaking problem @fragility_V1 mentioned in EVGA forum about his OptimusPC KPE block is a bit concerning. Trying to decide now, because I don't want to have to take apart the Hydro Copper again. I am scared I will end up with nothing if the o-ring is damaged and EVGA won't sell me one.

One thing I noticed when taking apart the 3090 KPE Hydro Copper is that none of the screws on the front of it were tight. I wonder if yours leaked because the screws are loose or because of a crack? The o-ring is so thin and the groove that holds it in place so shallow that loose screws could allow it to move out of place under pressure.

 

[electrosoft]

 

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

Thanks Fox. I have lokked at Asus driver download page. I'm now on Win 10 LTSC 2021 for testing. Will install 2019 LTSC when I get the ssd's I need. 

What drivers do you use? INF drivers and clean and no bloat IMEI from Win-Raid? And what of them are needed from the Asus download page? I know you have EVGA but I expect it will be the same for me and Asus. 

As well what is the latest stable firmware for Asus Z690 boards (Apex). I think about latest bios before Intel's screw up and forced the OEM to removed AVX512 support. I mean MSI have relesed a new Beta bios who still have AVX512 support. Not sure if Asus will do the same. Current bios version is the release Version 0231

@electrosoft @Talon @johnksss 

 

I say yes thanks for all valuable info. Again, Thanks 🙂

 

Pre 1000 BIOS variants are devoid of the AVX neutering / MC update. As @johnksss said, the 0811 variant for your board does seem the most popular.

1000 BIOS variants also fine tune the SP rating system even more coupled with the MC update. Some CPUs go up a bit. Some go down. I went ahead and updated to continue to test 4x8GB B-Die on the D4. Most stay the same. Mine was an SP90 and after the update it went to an SP91 and the P-Cores went from 101 to 102. ecores stayed the same:

 

 

[Talon]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Right now I'm on 0811 for Extreme. This bios has AVX512 enabled when not using E cores.

I am also still on 0811. It's stable, has BCLK overclock for non-K chips if you want to dabble and has AVX-512 with E cores disabled. I have no plans to ever upgrade unless memory tuning gets vastly improved over this BIOS. 

@Papusan We are SP twins. My 12900K is also SP92. You got a good chip on first pull so congrats. From what I'm hearing/reading your SP92 is not going to be any worse than a baseline KS chip. 

EDIT: Looking again at your prediction your cache looks great! You should be able to push that cache to decently high clocks! 

[johnksss]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is the second time you have had a Hydro Copper KPE block to RMA if memory serves me correctly. Didn't one of the 2080 Ti KPE Hydro Copper blocks spring a leak on you as well? Sorry to hear that this happened, Brother John. Glad it didn't destroy anything else in the process.

I took apart my own 3090 KPE Hydro Copper to clean the inside of it this weekend. It was a terrible pain in the butt; almost as horrible as the 2080 Ti FTW3 Hydro Copper was. It really feels like EVGA does this on purpose to keep people from taking them apart, which makes no sense at all. People need to be able to maintain the products they buy and taking apart a waterblock for cleaning is normal maintenance. When I needed to clean the 2080 Ti FTW3 Hydro Copper block a second time, I learned from EVGA that they did not sell replacement o-rings for Hydro Copper blocks, so I sold it and replaced it with an EKWB GPU block. Unfortunately, the Kingpin model has only two options available, both difficult to acquire because of limited availability and both overpriced.

Getting the o-ring back in place was a complete nightmare. The plexi has a shallow groove for it and it tries to pop out of the groove. The groove would be better in the metal block rather than in the plexi. The o-ring is also very thin, which is why the groove is so shallow. The first time I reassembled it and leak-tested it had a leak because the o-ring slipped a tiny bit. Everything turned out fine in the end, but it was far more hassle than it should have been. This makes me angry, and causes me to think it would be best to avoid buying enthusiast grade video cards in the future and stick with less expensive generic reference PCB GPUs with multiple waterblock options and just shunt mod and voltage mod them for better overclocking.
 
I canceled the order I had for the OptimusPC KPE block because I got tired of waiting after several months and no ETA being offered. I am considering ordering one again and waiting as long as it takes, but the leaking problem @fragility_V1 mentioned in EVGA forum about his OptimusPC KPE block is a bit concerning. Trying to decide now, because I don't want to have to take apart the Hydro Copper again. I am scared I will end up with nothing if the o-ring is damaged and EVGA won't sell me one.

One thing I noticed when taking apart the 3090 KPE Hydro Copper is that none of the screws on the front of it were tight. I wonder if yours leaked because the screws are loose or because of a crack? The o-ring is so thin and the groove that holds it in place so shallow that loose screws could allow it to move out of place under pressure.

 

Yep, this would be the second time, that is correct.

And this thing was leaking from 3 screws, the manifold on both sides. I was thinking of taking it apart, but like you. hell no! This thing is a nightmare to take a part and if you break or damage the O-ring then you are really out of luck! I did tighten a few of the screws as i noticed they were all loose, but the block is still leaking from other places. When it happened I was like why my computer cut off then seen the liquid all over the place. luckily I had flipped my PSU over about a week earlier or i would be replacing that as well.🤦‍♂️

[electrosoft]

14 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

The new machine booted up. Used an OS disk from one of the old. Need to format and clean install. But heres the results from the bios and how it looks like for now. Huge space for cables. I found some parts that could power some of the fans. The fan cables is simply too short in this big chassis🙂

 

I think its okeyish.

 

Not sure how I missed this post but that's a damn nice SP92 right out of the block! Can't wait to see how it runs especially since we have identical cooling and big cases.

 

 

[Rage Set]

14 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

The new machine booted up. Used an OS disk from one of the old. Need to format and clean install. But heres the results from the bios and how it looks like for now. Huge space for cables. I found some parts that could power some of the fans. The fan cables is simply too short in this big chassis🙂

 

I think its okeyish.

Of course you get an SP92 out of the gate. Lol.

[Mr. Fox]

53 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

Of course you get an SP92 out of the gate. Lol.

Brother @Papusan is such a lucky guy. Maybe we should have him buy our CPUs for us in Norway and ship them to us. The Viking gods smile down on him from Valhalla. 🙂

[johnksss]

This was under 50/50 radiator fluid.

 

 

Side note. My chip is SP89 with this bios. And the factory bios says it's a 90

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, johnksss said:

This was under 50/50 radiator fluid

I can't really tell from the image because it doesn't blow up to full zoom. Is there any damage you are showing?

Are you using 50/50 automotive antifreeze? That is what I am using in my loop.

[johnksss]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I can't really tell from the image because it doesn't blow up to full zoom. Is there any damage you are showing?

Are you using 50/50 automotive antifreeze? That is what I am using in my loop.

Going to have to work on that picture posting. I forgot I changed the size for my EVGA warranty request.

 

No, no damage. Just showing the aftermath before the clean up.

And yes, 50/50 antifreeze. Same as in my car.

They say these boards are suppose to detect water and shut off and not power back on.  suspect that is what happen this time as I tried to power it back on before removing all heat sinks and I got nothing, but the led lights. So after detailing the board I thought I would test it one more time and it powered on. I was quite surprised so shut down really quick as I did not have a heat sink on. And now it seem to be up and running.

Humm, I cant seem to get the pictures to zoom.

 

Trying again.

[johnksss]

On 2/1/2022 at 4:30 PM, Talon said:

Trident Z5 6400 CL32 delivered. XMP booted on my Hero board without issue. Stock run of AIDA64 is nice. Latency is still high but stock sucks, can't wait to see how high I can push these. The Samsung sticks were pretty garbage. These are confirmed SK Hynix as read out from CPU-Z on my sticks. 

Let me know how they pan out. They seem to not like running xmp without errors on the extreme