*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

That's quite unexpected, obviously not something one would be able to observe with air cooling. How much % performance loss are we talking about between say 40C and 65C?

I think it can vary by GPU model and generation, but Turing and Ampere are when they went full spaz on us. It is roughly a 15MHz drop for every 5°C increment over 45°C if memory serves me correctly. TechPowerUp had a piece on this but I am not sure if NVIDIA has publicly posted  technical details on how their firmware cancer algorithm operates.

 

Some people believe Ampere is less aggressive about it than Turing, but I think it is not so. What changed is the clock range seems to hold better with Ampere between 45° and 70°C than Turing did, but with Ampere more than Turing, the boost clocks remain higher below 45°C. So, people that are not running an Ampere GPU below 45°C are unable to identify that, and that means basically nobody with an air cooled Turing or Ampere GPU can see the beneficial effect of staying below 45°C

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-founders-edition/39.html

 

 

4 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Also great, I mean either is fine in practice. The recommendation I've heard in the context of mining was to keep the GPU under 70C for any long term use.

 

If we were to draw precise comparisons, we would need a few more pieces of data here: ambient temp, noise level (dBA) and ideally extra electricity required to achieve the given temperature (e.g. someone could be using a 500W cooler/aircon unit).

With mining the issue is the GPU memory. The GPU core doesn't really get used. You can overclock the crap out of the core and the hashrate doesn't change much. The memory clock is what matters and it is the memory that gets cooked. What is the most goofy about any of this is the core is what "thermal" throttles at low temperatures, even though there is no legitimate reason for it do because the thermals are excellent. The memory, on the other hand, can be overclocked until it totally burns itself to death and there is no protection mechanism for it.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

Yeah I believe that is accurate as well. I knew going in that I would make modifications to the GPU as I bought it for mining and later to be re-used for gaming or other such purposes so its a long term investment kind of thing.

What kind of 3090 do you have? 

[Reciever]

11 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

What kind of 3090 do you have? 

I can't recall which version but I think it's the 3090 ftw3? OK yeah ftw3, had to review my pictures. It's going back to the plex miner server 

[Papusan]

Intel's cancer fix. Halfbaked and can't be fixed without you interfering with bios and power plans. 

 

it's so powerful that it consumes 41watts in its sleep, so a good idea they didn't bother offer even an more powerful SKU. I didn't know the new Intel graphics was so powerful🙃 None of the cards from Nvidia and AMD is close. In it's own league.

 

Intel Shares Potential Fix for High Idle Power Consumption on Arc GPUs
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-potential-fix-high-idle-power-arc-gpus

At the same time, Intel says that it will include fixes for this high idle power consumption in later architectures. The nature of the fix and Intel's own statements indicate that this is something the company can't fix solely through its drivers. Perhaps these are all elements of Arc Alchemist being the first discrete GPU architecture from Intel. We'll see what happens with subsequent iterations.

[Etern4l]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think it can vary by GPU model and generation, but Turing and Ampere are when they went full spaz on us. It is roughly a 15MHz drop for every 5°C increment over 45°C if memory serves me correctly.

 

Well, I looked at the link - says clearly the drop starts at 70C which is more intuitive. Still, keeping GPU temps even under 70C on air can be a challenge and/or very noisy, so even if the threshold is at 70C, this doesn't detract from the appeal of water cooling in my view.

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

With mining the issue is the GPU memory. The GPU core doesn't really get used. You can overclock the crap out of the core and the hashrate doesn't change much. The memory clock is what matters and it is the memory that gets cooked.

 

Yes, but the fact that cores get minimal use can be misleading and doesn't mean that the GPU can't get moderately hot - this is due to the heavy memory controller load during mining. Going back to the miners' advice, for them keeping the GPU chipset cool can be was an extra challenge if the space is was overcrowded with devices and insufficiently ventilated. This is an equivalent of mining on a laptop 🤣where keeping GPU temps <70C can indeed also be a challenge.

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

What is the most goofy about any of this is the core is what "thermal" throttles at low temperatures, even though there is no legitimate reason for it do because the thermals are excellent.

 

I am not 100% sure we are talking about the same thing, but I do see low temp throttling in practice as well. So annoying. In case the GPU is lightly loaded, say < 20% the clocks dial down to sometimes as low as 50-60% of max. This is despite max performance power mode being set in both Windows and Nvidia control panel. If anyone is aware of a workaround, I would be grateful.

As soon as load goes up, so do the clocks (and consequently the temps).

Nvidia, just because the load is 20% doesn't mean I'm OK with it being processed much slower to save power! Goofy indeed.

 

BTW I tried the latest Nvidia driver 522.30. Definitely a keeper, up to +2% in *some* benchmarks!

 

[tps3443]

Do the Intel 13900K reviews finally come out tomorrow? 
 

 

I found some new R23 benchmark numbers for the 13900K. It looks to just match the AMD 7950X with the stock power TDP, and outpace it with higher power limits. 

13900K Leaked benchmarks 

https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-13900k-raptor-lake-cpu-same-performance-as-core-i9-12900k-at-80w/

 

[Etern4l]

12 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Do the Intel 13900K reviews finally come out tomorrow? 

 

Safe bet. Some youtubers have bragged about being busy testing.

[Papusan]

Running 13900KF https://hwbot.org/user/codiee1337/

 

From one of the lower scores with an (AIO). Not bad temps.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

Well, I looked at the link - says clearly the drop starts at 70C which is more intuitive. Still, keeping GPU temps even under 70C on air can be a challenge and/or very noisy, so even if the threshold is at 70C, this doesn't detract from the appeal of water cooling in my view.

It's not entirely accurate though. It starts about 45°C from my vantage point. Boost clock goes up more than it does above 45°C, but people with air cooled cards and normal water cooling don't know that and they can't see it because they cannot achieve or maintain temperatures that low.

 

I don't know at what temperature it does not occur or where going colder no longer increases boost clock, or what temperature would have to be maintained for the GPU to reach max boost clocks and remain there because chilled water isn't cold enough to show me or prevent "thermal throttling" LOL.

 

What I can tell you with certainty is that I really loathe this kind of dynamic clocking crap more than I can say without resorting to use of vulgar language. It is totally stupid and unnecessary and the existence of the phenomenon is a symptom of wickedness and an underlying darkness of heart.

[aldarxt]

Low Temp Throttle???

Good Grief Charlie Brown

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, aldarxt said:

Low Temp Throttle???

Good Grief Charlie Brown

Yes. And, it it not a new issue, unfortunately. It is an unresolved issue that will never get fixed because it is deliberate and intentional.

[tps3443]

38 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Running 13900KF https://hwbot.org/user/codiee1337/

 

From one of the lower scores with an (AIO). Not bad temps.

I’d love to go ahead and get mine. Newegg ships items after release date though unfortunately. I am guessing they will ship it on the 21st. I’m assuming on the 24th or 25th I’ll finally join the fun. 😭

 

PS: 22 days waiting so far. It went by pretty slow lol. 

[Papusan]

MSI try being Asus. MSI dont need help from Miners. They are become scalpers.

 

MSI Raises Price of RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X in a Week: Underpriced Just for Reviews?

 Techpowerup.com - Today, 03:09

MSI debuted its flagship GeForce RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X graphics card to gleaming reviews as one of the few custom-design RTX 4090 cards that fits inside a 2-slot design, freeing up expansion slots on your motherboard, thanks to its AIO liquid cooling solution. One of the most striking aspects of the card was its MSRP of USD $1,750, a mere $150 (9% premium), which made the card look like an overall great purchase, given that ASUS was pricing the air-cooled 4-slot ROG Strix RTX 4090 OC at $2,000 (25% premium). This had an impact on the SUPRIM's performance-per-Dollar calculations in reviews in comparison to pricier options.

It turns out that MSI has revised the price of the RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X a mere 1 week into its launch, increasing it by $185. The card is now priced at $1,935 (20% premium over NVIDIA baseline), closer to that of the ASUS ROG Strix. This isn't a marked-up price by a retailer, but the latest price on MSI's first-party online store for the US market. Price premiums of custom-design RTX 4090 cards have been conservative across the board, particularly for a flagship card like the SUPRIM Liquid X, but a price revision this soon after launch doesn't go down well with buyers, and makes it seem like the card was underpriced just for the reviews—something ASUS avoided when they priced the ROG Strix at $2,000 right off the bat. And yes, we are mindful of the concept of introductory pricing, but only when it's advertised as such. An introductory price is meant to be disclosed to be as such, making buyers [and reviewers] aware that the card's actual MSRP is something else/higher. When we contact companies for pricing to use in our reviews, we clearly seek MSRPs, and not introductory pricing for the company to sell a tiny inventory at low prices, only to raise them a week later.

 

Some of you remember this? So not the first time we have seen MSI in the media looking bad.

MSI subsidiary caught scalping RTX 3080 and 3090 GPUs on eBay

https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-subsidiary-caught-scalping-RTX-3080-and-3090-GPUs-on-eBay.497351.0.html

 

https://www.pcmag.com/news/msi-subsidiary-caught-scalping-rtx-3080-3090-cards-on-ebay

 

Yep, Msi never learned from last time...

Graphics Card Manufacturer Apologises After Subsidiary Is Caught Scalping RTX 3080 and 3090s
https://www.ign.com/articles/msi-scalping-statement-rtx-3080-rtx-3090?amp=1

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

MSI try being Asus. MSI dont need help from Miners. They are become scalpers.

 

MSI Raises Price of RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X in a Week: Underpriced Just for Reviews?

 Techpowerup.com - Today, 03:09

MSI debuted its flagship GeForce RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X graphics card to gleaming reviews as one of the few custom-design RTX 4090 cards that fits inside a 2-slot design, freeing up expansion slots on your motherboard, thanks to its AIO liquid cooling solution. One of the most striking aspects of the card was its MSRP of USD $1,750, a mere $150 (9% premium), which made the card look like an overall great purchase, given that ASUS was pricing the air-cooled 4-slot ROG Strix RTX 4090 OC at $2,000 (25% premium). This had an impact on the SUPRIM's performance-per-Dollar calculations in reviews in comparison to pricier options.

It turns out that MSI has revised the price of the RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X a mere 1 week into its launch, increasing it by $185. The card is now priced at $1,935 (20% premium over NVIDIA baseline), closer to that of the ASUS ROG Strix. This isn't a marked-up price by a retailer, but the latest price on MSI's first-party online store for the US market. Price premiums of custom-design RTX 4090 cards have been conservative across the board, particularly for a flagship card like the SUPRIM Liquid X, but a price revision this soon after launch doesn't go down well with buyers, and makes it seem like the card was underpriced just for the reviews—something ASUS avoided when they priced the ROG Strix at $2,000 right off the bat. And yes, we are mindful of the concept of introductory pricing, but only when it's advertised as such. An introductory price is meant to be disclosed to be as such, making buyers [and reviewers] aware that the card's actual MSRP is something else/higher. When we contact companies for pricing to use in our reviews, we clearly seek MSRPs, and not introductory pricing for the company to sell a tiny inventory at low prices, only to raise them a week later.

 

Some of you remember this? So not the first time we have seen MSI in the media looking bad.

MSI subsidiary caught scalping RTX 3080 and 3090 GPUs on eBay

https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-subsidiary-caught-scalping-RTX-3080-and-3090-GPUs-on-eBay.497351.0.html

 

https://www.pcmag.com/news/msi-subsidiary-caught-scalping-rtx-3080-3090-cards-on-ebay

 

Yep, Msi never learned from last time...

Graphics Card Manufacturer Apologises After Subsidiary Is Caught Scalping RTX 3080 and 3090s
https://www.ign.com/articles/msi-scalping-statement-rtx-3080-rtx-3090?amp=1

They are doing what is best for them because too many people are stupid with their money. If new GPUs like the 4090 Suprim Liquid X and ROG Strix were being treated with a reception as chilly as the new AM5 platform, we would not see them or ASUS behaving in a manner so worthy of disrespect. They would be more conservative with their pricing because overpriced garbage sitting on store shelves hurts them badly. Making a small profit is better than no profit or operating at a loss. They would stop producing products that they are unable to turn a profit on.

 

Prices follow what the market will bear, and as long as the market is composed primarily of retards, prices will remain retarded. On top of this fact, we already know that ASUS and MSI are both dishonest companies run by people that don't care about their customers. This is evident in the way they treat people after they get their money when they sell them broken garbage. So, MSI is being more transparent by showing their true colors before the sale instead of saving it as an icky surprise after the sale.

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, tps3443 said:

FUN FUN FUN!!!! Memory at 23GBPS 😃

 

Great performance out of the RTX3090. I think 4K 60+ may be possible on one of these last Gen AMPERE GPU’s. I had all of my dip switches enabled on the back of my GPU. Cut down on power usage DRASTICALLY!! 

 

Whew, is that coil whine I hear?

[Etern4l]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's not entirely accurate though. It starts about 45°C from my vantage point. Boost clock goes up more than it does above 45°C, but people with air cooled cards and normal water cooling don't know that and they can't see it because they cannot achieve or maintain temperatures that low.

 

I don't know at what temperature it does not occur or where going colder no longer increases boost clock, or what temperature would have to be maintained for the GPU to reach max boost clocks and remain there because chilled water isn't cold enough to show me or prevent "thermal throttling" LOL.

 

What I can tell you with certainty is that I really loathe this kind of dynamic clocking crap more than I can say without resorting to use of vulgar language. It is totally stupid and unnecessary and the existence of the phenomenon is a symptom of wickedness and an underlying darkness of heart.

 

Well, exciting, although I would love to see some concrete numbers. To be fair, there could be a valid technical reason - it's somewhat unlikely anyone here is an IC engineer enough to reasonably opine, however, what'd be really wicked is the behaviour being poorly undocumented, leaving customers guessing as to what cooling system to opt for (more likely complely oblivious). This could conceivably be done for marketing reasons - you wouldn't want to generally advertise a loss performance at 50 or 60C if you are selling cards that always suffer that loss in practice.

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

They are doing what is best for them because too many people are stupid with their money. If new GPUs like the 4090 Suprim Liquid X and ROG Strix were being treated with a reception as chilly as the new AM5 platform, we would not see them or ASUS behaving in a manner so worthy of disrespect. They would be more conservative with their pricing because overpriced garbage sitting on store shelves hurts them badly. Making a small profit is better than no profit or operating at a loss. They would stop producing products that they are unable to turn a profit on.

 

Prices follow what the market will bear, and as long as the market is composed primarily of retards, prices will remain retarded. On top of this fact, we already know that ASUS and MSI are both dishonest companies run by people that don't care about their customers. This is evident in the way they treat people after they get their money when they sell them broken garbage. So, MSI is being more transparent by showing their true colors before the sale instead of saving it as an icky surprise after the sale.

 

Yeah, I'm starting to wonder if if 3090 Ti wouldn't be a better idea (for my purposes). I'm more VRAM bound and there is that NVLink. I can click and buy an FE right now, and if thermals suck - WC it (albeit at an almost certain loss of warranty presumably).

[jaybee83]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

MSI try being Asus. MSI dont need help from Miners. They are become scalpers.

 

MSI Raises Price of RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X in a Week: Underpriced Just for Reviews?

 Techpowerup.com - Today, 03:09

MSI debuted its flagship GeForce RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X graphics card to gleaming reviews as one of the few custom-design RTX 4090 cards that fits inside a 2-slot design, freeing up expansion slots on your motherboard, thanks to its AIO liquid cooling solution. One of the most striking aspects of the card was its MSRP of USD $1,750, a mere $150 (9% premium), which made the card look like an overall great purchase, given that ASUS was pricing the air-cooled 4-slot ROG Strix RTX 4090 OC at $2,000 (25% premium). This had an impact on the SUPRIM's performance-per-Dollar calculations in reviews in comparison to pricier options.

It turns out that MSI has revised the price of the RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X a mere 1 week into its launch, increasing it by $185. The card is now priced at $1,935 (20% premium over NVIDIA baseline), closer to that of the ASUS ROG Strix. This isn't a marked-up price by a retailer, but the latest price on MSI's first-party online store for the US market. Price premiums of custom-design RTX 4090 cards have been conservative across the board, particularly for a flagship card like the SUPRIM Liquid X, but a price revision this soon after launch doesn't go down well with buyers, and makes it seem like the card was underpriced just for the reviews—something ASUS avoided when they priced the ROG Strix at $2,000 right off the bat. And yes, we are mindful of the concept of introductory pricing, but only when it's advertised as such. An introductory price is meant to be disclosed to be as such, making buyers [and reviewers] aware that the card's actual MSRP is something else/higher. When we contact companies for pricing to use in our reviews, we clearly seek MSRPs, and not introductory pricing for the company to sell a tiny inventory at low prices, only to raise them a week later.

 

Some of you remember this? So not the first time we have seen MSI in the media looking bad.

MSI subsidiary caught scalping RTX 3080 and 3090 GPUs on eBay

https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-subsidiary-caught-scalping-RTX-3080-and-3090-GPUs-on-eBay.497351.0.html

 

https://www.pcmag.com/news/msi-subsidiary-caught-scalping-rtx-3080-3090-cards-on-ebay

 

Yep, Msi never learned from last time...

Graphics Card Manufacturer Apologises After Subsidiary Is Caught Scalping RTX 3080 and 3090s
https://www.ign.com/articles/msi-scalping-statement-rtx-3080-rtx-3090?amp=1

ive actually noticed the same for the regular Suprim X, saw the pricing on a particular online shop thats known for strictly sticking to MSRP pricing go up by 20€. not much yet, but maybe a sign of things to come.

i was surprised at the start that the suprim 4090s were priced so low in comparison tbh, while being the ones with the strongest vrms and among the higher quality cards. so glad i got mine at the "super low" introductory price then!

[Papusan]

Update 10/19 04:49 PT:

It seems that MSI are admitting that the price increase was an error. In a statement given to TechPowerUp, MSI has claimed that "As a matter of fact, it was our negligence to mismatch the price. The price of RTX 4090 SUPRIM LIQUID X will remain at 1749.99 USD" We have checked MSI's store and can confirm that the price has returned to $1,749.99.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-raises-liquid-cooled-rtx-4090-pricing-by-dollar185-in-less-than-a-week

 

 

MSI backtrack the scalping. Too much bad publicity and of course they hide it by own errors. 

 

MSI has offered an apology and refund for anyone who purchased the card at the higher price.

 

With this I think they will sell this cards in loads. But still all too expensive thanks to NVIDIA.

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

On top of this fact, we already know that ASUS and MSI are both dishonest companies run by people that don't care about their customers. This is evident in the way they treat people after they get their money when they sell them broken garbage.

EVGA 850W PSU that is a bit more than a year old is being replaced under warranty. It is overheating and shutting down because the fan stopped working. Placing a 120MM fan in front of the exhaust vent corrects the problem 

 

I contacted them Monday afternoon and it is out for delivery today. There is a pre-paid return label in the box for me to ship back the original.

 

This is how you treat customers if you want them to choose your brand first when the option exists. MSI, ASUS, Gigabutt, ASSRock don't care... they suck. They make you pay to ship them the part, then wait for them to verify that you're not a liar, (a week or longer,) and with no sense of urgency or gratitude for your patronage, they send out a replacement when it is convenient for them, the slowest and cheapest way possible.

 

Every time my ASUS products have been replaced under under warranty it takes 3 to 5 weeks to resolve. Nothing they say or do demonstrates that they give a rat's butt about the people that buy their products, because they do not.

[Etern4l]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

EVGA 850W PSU that is a bit more than a year old is being replaced under warranty. It is overheating and shutting down because the fan stopped working. Placing a 120MM fan in front of the exhaust vent corrects the problem 

 

I contacted them Monday afternoon and it is out for delivery today. There is a pre-paid return label in the box for me to ship back the original.

 

This is how you treat customers if you want them to choose your brand first when the option exists. MSI, ASUS, Gigabutt, ASSRock don't care... they suck. They make you pay to ship them the part, then wait for them to verify that you're not a liar, (a week or longer,) and with no sense of urgency or gratitude for your patronage, they send out a replacement when it is convenient for them, the slowest and cheapest way possible.

 

Every time my ASUS products have been replaced under under warranty it takes 3 to 5 weeks to resolve. Nothing they say or do demonstrates that they give a rat's butt about the people that buy their products, because they do not.

 

Hope they manage to stay in business after the falling out with Nvdia, and maybe come out with a PSU with native 12VHPWR if not PCIe 3.0 support. Of course, according to Jensen, his pal EVGA owner is just wanting to close shop, nothing to do with Nvidia specifically 🙄

[cylix]

Well this is encouraging,  hope is somewhat true.

https://wccftech.com/amd-rdna-3-radeon-rx-7000-gpu-rumors-2x-raster-over-2x-rt-performance-amazing-tbp-aib-testing/

[Etern4l]

7 minutes ago, cylix said:

Well this is encouraging,  hope is somewhat true.

https://wccftech.com/amd-rdna-3-radeon-rx-7000-gpu-rumors-2x-raster-over-2x-rt-performance-amazing-tbp-aib-testing/

 

The specs look like "Navi 31" will compete robustly with the 4080, unless the much larger cache provides a substantial enough boost.

[Talon]

Spent some time last night playing Flight Sim 2020 with the new Frame Generation and holy crap it's a game changer. Going from 4K Ultra everything at 40-50fps with DLSS quality to 80-100fps was incredible. Input lag my ass, the game 100% is smoother and far more enjoyable on a high refresh rate monitor. 

 

Some reviewers were knocking DLSS when it first launched and rightfully so, it was pretty bad image quality. Especially if you go back and retest/compare. Nvidia kept improving and now we have DLSS 2.x and 3.0 which are vasty superior and indistinguishable and even better at times than native for 4K gaming. The same thing is going to happen with this new frame generation tech, and you can bet Intel and AMD are both scrambling to find their own solution or tech. 

[electrosoft]

16 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

The specs look like "Navi 31" will compete robustly with the 4080, unless the much larger cache provides a substantial enough boost.

 

Considering 6900xt raster was equal (or better) than the 3090 at 1440p and 1080p and competitive at 4k, if it is truly 2x faster for RDNA3, it will flat out beat a 4090 and maybe even a 4090ti.. RT would at least be on par with Ampere.

 

Could be another case of AMD having fantastic (even superior) Rasterization but Nvidia doing everything else right.

 

A superior Raster card and potentially DP2.1? Mmmmmmm

 

QUOTE:

 

"As per the leaker, the AMD RDNA 3 GPUs featured on the Radeon RX 7000 series graphics cards are delivering up to a 2x performance increase in pure rasterization workloads and over 2x gains within ray tracing workloads. It is not mentioned in the RDNA 2 GPU is the RX 6900 XT or RX 6950 XT but even if we look at the 6900 XT, the RDNA 2 chip offered superior performance in raster vs the RTX 3090 and came pretty close to the RTX 3090 Ti while the RX 6950 XT excelled over it. A 2x improvement in this department would mean that AMD would easily compete and even surpass the performance of the RTX 4090 in a large section of gamers.

In ray tracing, a gain over 2x means that AMD might end up close to or slightly faster than the RTX 30 series "Ampere" graphics cards, depending on the title. The Ada Lovelace RTX 40 series cards do offer much faster ray tracing capabilities, offering close to 2x gains in ray tracing performance over the RTX 30 lineup. So ray tracing will see a major improvement but it may not be able to close the gap with RTX 40 series."

[Etern4l]

15 minutes ago, Talon said:

Spent some time last night playing Flight Sim 2020 with the new Frame Generation and holy crap it's a game changer. Going from 4K Ultra everything at 40-50fps with DLSS quality to 80-100fps was incredible. Input lag my ass, the game 100% is smoother and far more enjoyable on a high refresh rate monitor. 

 

Some reviewers were knocking DLSS when it first launched and rightfully so, it was pretty bad image quality. Especially if you go back and retest/compare. Nvidia kept improving and now we have DLSS 2.x and 3.0 which are vasty superior and indistinguishable and even better at times than native for 4K gaming. The same thing is going to happen with this new frame generation tech, and you can bet Intel and AMD are both scrambling to find their own solution or tech. 

 

There is obviously a one frame input lag with Frame Generation, but this would likely only possibly bother esports twitch shooter players, who would already be enjoying raw 400-500 fps on 4090 rigs, so wouldn't need any extra frame generation. Casual player's dream for sure, similar to gsync.