*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

19 minutes ago, Talon said:

My local MC go ta shipment this morning, ran over and grabbed my third 13900K LOL. SOLD the SP99 to my brother instead of returning to MC. I refunded the replacement plans on it and my SP106 chip. Got an SP101 chip this time, luckily it's extremely weighted towards the P cores with kinda crap E cores. Perfectly good for me, can run it at stock 5.5ghz all cores with a 280mm AIO and graphite pad and still not thermal throttle at stock in CB23 which was my goal for this rig. Now I'll finally use real Gelid Extreme on it and get to tuning it. The SP99 was fine and would have been fine under real paste for daily loads, but this chip definitely has some much improved P cores. 

 

$569 is a very reasonable price for this insane chip. AMD is out of their minds with the 7000 series. 

 

Yep, AMD is definitely going to have to come back to reality.

 

Maybe subpar sales on AMDs part factored into some of the pricing too on a various levels.

 

$569 is definitely a reasonable price for what you're getting with a 13900k.

 

What are the P/E cores on the SP101?

 

 

[tps3443]

23 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Since Z590, Prime-A boards do SP ratings. I used a Z590-A prime a bit just for SP ratings on 10th and 11th.

 

 

I agree his extreme cooling will definitely factor in and this early on data will continue to come in changing the landscape (as we've seen even with Asus themselves as they re-formulate their SP rating algorithms in subsequent BIOS updates and SP ratings can and will change), but remember SP108 is better than average but not a high golden.

 

 

I don’t think the CPU is golden or even special at all. I am assuming average probably. But I really don’t know or have anything to compare it to. But I’ll say this, exotic cooling or not. Of all (4) 11900K’s I’ve tested only 1 could do 5.3Ghz+ PRIME95 stable. No matter how cold that water is. No matter how large that radiator, no matter how fast the water pumps. The other 11900K’s failed.
 

Obviously my good 11900K could do far more than 5.3 in Prime95. But I guess what I’m saying is, my cooling isn’t what made it possible, it was the CPU. 
 

I do feel like my heat transfer is absolutely atrociously poor from the cpu die to the water on this 13900KF. 
 

 

[tps3443]

56 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Could be, but it seems to only do it during that test. I will have to quiet things down and really listen when i get a chance.

Try 6600 and see what happens.

 

I have this Corsair 6000 Vengeance stuff@ 6800 so far. stability testing now, seems okay for gaming/benching/etc.

 

 

Sorry @Reciever accidentally double posted 🙁

[Talon]

44 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yep, AMD is definitely going to have to come back to reality.

 

Maybe subpar sales on AMDs part factored into some of the pricing too on a various levels.

 

$569 is definitely a reasonable price for what you're getting with a 13900k.

 

What are the P/E cores on the SP101?

 

 

 

SP101 with P112 and E81.

 

Running to MC to grab yet another 13900K (not for me) lol. Trying to think up a good disguise before the manager at the CPU cage gives me some sort of side eye look. "Limit 1 Per Household" lol. I might be pushing that a bit. 

[tps3443]

14 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

SP101 with P112 and E81.

 

Running to MC to grab yet another 13900K (not for me) lol. Trying to think up a good disguise before the manager at the CPU cage gives me some sort of side eye look. "Limit 1 Per Household" lol. I might be pushing that a bit. 

 

Hey not nearly as bad as Sugi0luver and his 40+ retail samples he has tested. Him and his buddies go all out! 🙃

[Mr. Fox]

26 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

I have this Corsair 6000 Vengeance stuff@ 6800 so far. stability testing now, seems okay for gaming/benching/etc.

 

 

Sorry @Reciever accidentally double posted 🙁

WOW, that really is the proof in the pudding as @johnkssssaid about the jump in memory. 

 

What is the BIOS showing for memory voltage. With 12900K that was limited to 1.435V and 6400 was the max with that voltage. It is running 6800 with that voltage or did 13900K BIOS unlock the PMIC on that kit? 

[Reciever]

20 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

I have this Corsair 6000 Vengeance stuff@ 6800 so far. stability testing now, seems okay for gaming/benching/etc.

 

 

Sorry @Reciever accidentally double posted 🙁

As long as efforts are made to keep them to a minimum then I am a happy camper. its when I see triple+ posting that irks me. This may not be as true for this sub-forum, due to the posting habits here, however, its important to keep a certain principle in mind. 

 

When you ignore posting standards altogether, it removes visibility from another member who may be in genuine need. 

[jaybee83]

19 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 Very nice. I’m learning the Unify-X bios and 13900KF so far. It’s a really fast processor. 
 

I’m running 5.8 P-Cores, 4.5 E-Cores, 4.7 Cache. 1.315V, and MSI LLC on level 3.

 

I have no idea what I’m doing in this bios. Getting there though.

 

damn, looks like u got a good chip on your hands right there! and i feel ya with getting to know the bios, im trying to dig a little deeper every day myself haha

 

14 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I don’t know if this is any good or not. But here goes. R23 10 minute run so far. Power is like 340 watts max. Definitely toasty on the temps! Lol. Much toastier than I’m use to anyways.

 

5.8 P-Cores @1.315V

4.5 E-Cores

4.7 Ring/Cache

Corsair Vengeance DDR5@ 6400

 

 

looking good. and as long as it stays below 95C and thermal throttle ure golden!

 

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Nvidia found a new way to help its AIB partners to raise prices/keep them highest possible for 4000 series cards. So Nvidia don't have to rely on miners anymore. Rumors yep, but we know how Nvidia works and what's their goal. High prices/shortage of 4000 graphics cards will undoubtedly also help Nvidia and partners to get rid of the old stuff (3000 series chips).Big win in all ways (for nvidia), but not for the gamers nvidia was so concerned about. AMD need to push out their next gen cards... Now. 

NVIDIA Allegedly Shifts GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming GPU Production To Hopper H100 AI GPUs

NVIDIA Prioritizes Hopper H100 AI GPU Production Over GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming GPU, Ada Stock Drying Up Everywhere.

 

In a rumor by MyDrivers, it is reported that NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4090 gaming graphics card has been in high demand but despite that, the company has decided to shift its production capacities to meet the demand for Hopper H100 AI GPUs which are a more lucrative business for the chip-maker at the moment.

 

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Colorful RTX 4090 iGame Neptune has max TGP at 630W, highest from any RTX 4090 GPU videocardz.com

 

The iGame Neptune from Colorful has the highest maximum power setting from all RTX 4090 GPUs. 

Nearly all RTX 4090 cards have higher max TGP (Total Graphics Power) for overclocking. There are models which have sub-500W TGP (ZOTAC), but the vast majority of GPUs goes higher. There are, in fact, models that go all the way up to 600W (NVIDIA Founders Edition, ASUS ROG Strix or Gigabyte Gaming). However, none of the card thus far has reached higher, that’s until Neptune was announced.

 

 

 

shocker that theyre shifting towards Hopper...not 😄 and yep, theres the confirmation for my previous comment on the 630W Neptune card. Although from what im seeing so far, those additional 30W shouldnt do all that much.

ive so far tried two different vBios versions on my Suprim X, one 600W from the Liquid Suprim and the other the 600W Strix OC. Both resulted in a black screen, machine does boot normally into windows, but no display output. luckily, with dual vbios its a piece of cake to return back to stock. just scratching my head as to why theres no output, hmmm... tweaking continues! btw, the Suprim X stock vbios goes up to 520W and i regularly hit that in benches.

 

5 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

 

Yep, looks like roughly the same chip with 3.3x the faster HMB2 RAM + PCie 5, and the card is going for a $11k $33k scalped introductory price. His Majesty Jensen I is just following the money, as you would.

 

aaand there u go. 33k vs. 2k, done and done 😄 

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Is it a daily limit that for each user maybe?

 

 

 

 

 

UPDATE:

 

 

This is the real screen shot. 
 

 

impressive temps at those wattages, whats your cooling solution? i saw others commenting on a potential chiller that ure running?

 

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

No, which is why I notated your earlier submissions that were 2-3MB each, each member has 50MB as of right now.

 

No ads and paying out of pocket means we have to keep things kind of lean 🙂

 

were gonna be happy with whatever u provide us with bud, we wouldnt dare complaining. having way too much fun here 🙂 

 

36 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

SP101 with P112 and E81.

 

Running to MC to grab yet another 13900K (not for me) lol. Trying to think up a good disguise before the manager at the CPU cage gives me some sort of side eye look. "Limit 1 Per Household" lol. I might be pushing that a bit. 

 

P112, dayum. and lulz ure offering a completely "selfless" service in buying 13900Ks for others, all the while testing each and every one of them and giving out the worst of the lot 😄 

[Mr. Fox]

  

1 hour ago, Talon said:

Running to MC to grab yet another 13900K (not for me) lol. Trying to think up a good disguise before the manager at the CPU cage gives me some sort of side eye look. "Limit 1 Per Household" lol. I might be pushing that a bit. 

Thank you.

[Reciever]

57 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

damn, looks like u got a good chip on your hands right there! and i feel ya with getting to know the bios, im trying to dig a little deeper every day myself haha

 

 

looking good. and as long as it stays below 95C and thermal throttle ure golden!

 

 

shocker that theyre shifting towards Hopper...not 😄 and yep, theres the confirmation for my previous comment on the 630W Neptune card. Although from what im seeing so far, those additional 30W shouldnt do all that much.

ive so far tried two different vBios versions on my Suprim X, one 600W from the Liquid Suprim and the other the 600W Strix OC. Both resulted in a black screen, machine does boot normally into windows, but no display output. luckily, with dual vbios its a piece of cake to return back to stock. just scratching my head as to why theres no output, hmmm... tweaking continues! btw, the Suprim X stock vbios goes up to 520W and i regularly hit that in benches.

 

 

aaand there u go. 33k vs. 2k, done and done 😄 

 

 

impressive temps at those wattages, whats your cooling solution? i saw others commenting on a potential chiller that ure running?

 

 

were gonna be happy with whatever u provide us with bud, we wouldnt dare complaining. having way too much fun here 🙂 

 

 

P112, dayum. and lulz ure offering a completely "selfless" service in buying 13900Ks for others, all the while testing each and every one of them and giving out the worst of the lot 😄 

That may be true for now, but even I have the desire to grow the forum in more ways than just membership. If I have such desires, then surely others will as well. 

[Mr. Fox]

  

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

nah wouldnt call HUB AMD fans, they just go for the most sensible hardware. which is usually NOT what the likes of us freaks aim for 😄 thats why his 13900K review was quite negative with regards to power consumption, efficiency and dead-end platform. with the 13600K the priority shifts more towards value in the here and now.

I agree with that. What is useful while maintaining value is often NOT what we want. But, it is exactly what most gamerboys want. They don't buy flagship CPUs and GPUs because they don't need to.

 

Speaking of that. 3080, 3080 Ti, 3090, 3090 Ti, 4090... 6900 XT, 6950XT, AMD 7XXX... all totally unwarranted for 1080p and (and 1440p minus extreme settings) gaming with very high/Ultra settings. This 3060 Ti FTW3 provides a truly respectable gaming experience without spending a lot of money. Now, I certainly don't like that it is a downgrade from 2080 Ti FTW3, BUT, it would be silly to deliberately spend more on the system I use for work, and spending more is a waste of money for playing games. It is good enough that I might just sell the 2080 Ti FTW3 after I fix it. I can use the money for something else.

 

Here are some samples...

Quake 2 RTX

Spoiler

Shadow of the Tomb Raider (with and without DLSS)

Spoiler

Metro Exodus Enhanced (Extreme and Ultra - RTX On)

Spoiler

Gears 4 @ Ultra

Spoiler

Gears 5 @ Ultra

Spoiler

Bright Memory Infinite (RTX High)

Spoiler

And, here's why a waterblock is appropriate "just for gaming" LOL. Look at these LUDICROUS thermals. Totally asinine! And, that's all stock clocks. This little critter is clearly putting its best foot forward. Not bad for a sub-$400 purchase.

 

 

[tps3443]

@Mr. Fox

 

Yeah this ram is handling 6800Mhz just fine so far. The newer bios may have helped, and a combination of the CPU as well. The voltage is still locked to 1.435V, it physically won’t go any higher. But 6800Mhz is good for benching, gaming, etc. I don’t know if it’s actually stable or not. 
 

 I also managed to drop SA voltage to like 1.15V. Apparently auto was pushing like 1.450V. Raptor lake doesn’t need much for high ram speeds. 
 

Also, I get the feeling you’ve given in to temptation, and purchased a 13900K?

[Mr. Fox]

34 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

@Mr. Fox

 

Yeah this ram is handling 6800Mhz just fine so far. The newer bios may have helped, and a combination of the CPU as well. The voltage is still locked to 1.435V, it physically won’t go any higher. But 6800Mhz is good for benching, gaming, etc. I don’t know if it’s actually stable or not. 
 

 I also managed to drop SA voltage to like 1.15V. Apparently auto was pushing like 1.450V. Raptor lake doesn’t need much for high ram speeds. 
 

Also, I get the feeling you’ve given in to temptation, and purchased a 13900K?

Yes. With 2 year warranty from MC it was cheaper than from NewEgg without a warranty and an icky "no refund - exchange only" policy. That is great news about the memory. Amazing how different CPU generation can be using the same mobo and memory. That is wonderful. Samsung B-die goes another round with the Titans!

---

And, as a friendly reminder that the leaders of our industry are crooked, lying, worthless bastards, here is a screenshot to bring us back to a correct understand of who these losers are. (Some of you have already seen this before.)

 

Windows 7 is installed in UEFI mode and no CSM enabled (which is supposedly "impossible" - even EVGA Precision X1 assumes it's not because "it can't be" LOL) and the "Windows 10 only" Adjustable Bar feature is enabled in the BIOS and in Windows. So much for the nonsense and fake compatibility baloney. Join me in offering up another nasty finger salute to the Redmond Retards and the Green Goblin.

 

[tps3443]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes. With 2 year warranty from MC it was cheaper than from NewEgg without a warranty and an icky "no refund - exchange only" policy. That is great news about the memory. Amazing how different CPU generation can be using the same mobo and memory. That is wonderful. Samsung B-die goes another round with the Titans!

---

And, as a friendly reminder that the leaders of our industry are crooked, lying, worthless bastards, here is a screenshot to bring us back to a correct understand of who these losers are. (Some of you have already seen this before.)

 

Windows 7 is installed in UEFI mode and no CSM enabled (which is supposedly "impossible" - even EVGA Precision X1 assumes it's not because "it can't be" LOL) and the "Windows 10 only" Adjustable Bar" feature is enabled in the BIOS and in Windows. So much for the nonsense and fake compatibility baloney. Join me in offering up another nasty finger salute to the Redmond Retards and the Green Goblin.

 

I found the PMIC unlock in the Unify-X bios!

 

I can really juice these modules now, it works.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I found the PMIC unlock in the Unify-X bios!

 

I can really juice these modules now, it works.

 

 

 

 

That was missing in the previous BIOS. It was there in an earlier one and MSI removed it. Awesome to see they brought it back and now you can really get everything that memory is good for. You might even be able to return the Hynix RAM if this performs as well now that it is unlocked.

[Talon]

46 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

  

I agree with that. What is useful while maintaining value is often NOT what we want. But, it is exactly what most gamerboys want. They don't buy flagship CPUs and GPUs because they don't need to.

 

Speaking of that. 3080, 3080 Ti, 3090, 3090 Ti, 4090... 6900 XT, 6950XT, AMD 7XXX... all totally unwarranted for 1080p and (and 1440p minus extreme settings) gaming with very high/Ultra settings. This 3060 Ti FTW3 provides a truly respectable gaming experience without spending a lot of money. Now, I certainly don't like that it is a downgrade from 2080 Ti FTW3, BUT, it would be silly to deliberately spend more on the system I use for work, and spending more is a waste of money for playing games. It is good enough that I might just sell the 2080 Ti FTW3 after I fix it. I can use the money for something else.

 

Here are some samples...

Quake 2 RTX

  Reveal hidden contents

Shadow of the Tomb Raider (with and without DLSS)

  Reveal hidden contents

Metro Exodus Enhanced (Extreme and Ultra - RTX On)

  Reveal hidden contents

Gears 4 @ Ultra

  Reveal hidden contents

Gears 5 @ Ultra

  Reveal hidden contents

Bright Memory Infinite (RTX High)

  Reveal hidden contents

And, here's why a waterblock is appropriate "just for gaming" LOL. Look at these LUDICROUS thermals. Totally asinine! And, that's all stock clocks. This little critter is clearly putting its best foot forward. Not bad for a sub-$400 purchase.

 

 

 

Agreed 100%. I had a 3070 for a long time in my living room PC and even for 4K gaming with use of DLSS in many titles it was a great experience for me. 

 

 

The 13600K is the real star of the show this gen as usual. I knew the 7600X and 7700X were going to get destroyed this gen, but damn. 

[Etern4l]

Just now, tps3443 said:

I found the PMIC unlock in the Unify-X bios!

 

I can really juice these modules now, it works.

 

 

 

 

 

Could you at briefly explain how you are going to use this? A quick google didn't help me 😕

It seems like this has something to do with overvolting, but I mean switching mode/frequency? Current limit is already set to Max.

[tps3443]

3 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Could you at briefly explain how you are going to use this? A quick google didn't help me 😕

Some DDR5 modules have a voltage limit of 1.435V. It’s just a bios settings that unlocks the DDR5 PMIC so we can max out voltage for higher memory overclocking. Not all DDR5 sticks are like this though. Some do not need to be unlocked apparently. 
 

I’m using Corsair 6000 C36 currently, and it physically won’t let you send more than 1.435V. This is where this unlock comes in handy. Or not. I really won’t know until I test it a little further if there is a benefit with more voltage. But it does let me send whatever voltage I want now. 

[Mr. Fox]

3 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Could you at briefly explain how you are going to use this? A quick google didn't help me 😕

It's actually very simple. It's only a matter of turning it on. When you enable it, that unlocks the industry standard 1.435V cap on DDR5 voltage. For some idiotic reason MSI removed that menu option and it meant that certain brands of PMIC chips could not exceed 1.435V.

[Etern4l]

Just now, tps3443 said:

Some DDR5 modules have a voltage limit of 1.435V. It’s just a bios settings that unlocks the DDR5 PMIC so we can max out voltage for higher memory overclocking. Not all DDR5 sticks are like this though. Some do not need to be unlocked apparently. 
 

I’m using Corsair 6000 C36 currently, and it physically won’t let you send more than 1.435V. This is where this unlock comes in handy. Or not. I really won’t know until I test it a little further.

 

Thanks, gl&hf.  BTW I wonder if Raptor Lake also improved 4 DIMM support. Any word?

[Mr. Fox]

10 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Some DDR5 modules have a voltage limit of 1.435V. It’s just a bios settings that unlocks the DDR5 PMIC so we can max out voltage for higher memory overclocking. Not all DDR5 sticks are like this though. Some do not need to be unlocked apparently. 
 

I’m using Corsair 6000 C36 currently, and it physically won’t let you send more than 1.435V. This is where this unlock comes in handy. Or not. I really won’t know until I test it a little further if there is a benefit with more voltage. But it does let me send whatever voltage I want now. 

If it does truly lock it then it absolutely will help. Samsung B-die, SK Hynix and Micron all overclock higher with added voltage. You know this already because you're used to spending lots of time overclocking Samsung B-die on DDR4 sticks and you have seen how things don't work if you don't give the RAM enough voltage.

 

Be sure to monitor the temperatures because those high clock speeds will actually fry your memory. DDR5 gets much hotter than DDR4 did. You'll also start to see errors running memory tests before the RAM gets hot enough to damage it. Errors begin to surface around 45-50°C and an unstable overclock can often become stable below 40°C. A fan blowing on them helps tremendously.

8 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Thanks, gl&hf.  BTW I wonder if Raptor Lake also improved 4 DIMM support. Any word?

Good question. If I had to guess I would say probably so, but that's just speculation.

[Etern4l]

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

Errors begin to surface around 45-50°C and an unstable overclock can often become stable below 40°C.

 

I guess you guys WC the RAM too? 50C+ is what I get with 1.1V under load lol

 

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

If I had to guess I would say probably so, but that's just speculation.

 

I am hopeful. Might take a while to get an answer. Few people run 4 DDR5 DIMMs if only because of the poor support in AL, and zero benchers I imagine 😉

[tps3443]

Do we max out tREFI like with DDR4? I’m guessing not all DDR5 can do this. I see it goes up to like 200,000 thousands lol.

 

Testing 90,000 tREFI. Huge BOOST! 😃

[Mr. Fox]

27 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

I guess you guys WC the RAM too? 50C+ is what I get with 1.1V under load lol

I do, but naked DDR5 sticks run cool enough with a fan blowing on them. I think the errors occur at lower temperatures as clock speed increases. It seems that way based on my own experience.

[Mr. Fox]

36 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Do we max out tREFI like with DDR4? I’m guessing not all DDR5 can do this. I see it goes up to like 200,000 thousands lol.

 

Testing 90,000 tREFI. Huge BOOST! 😃

It's going to vary some based on a variety of conditions. The higher you clock the memory and the tighter you make the primary timings the more tREFI has potential to cause instability. Higher tREFI also takes more voltage  Luumi has a couple of good DDR5 videos that touch on this. Even if you can't get it to pass memory tests without errors, I have generally found it stable enough for benching when it is maxed out. I've seen some difference from one memory set to the next.