*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

NVCP defaults to OFF for ECC FYI:

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

NVCP defaults to OFF for ECC FYI:

 

Yep. And hwbot won't accept scores posted on their leaderboard with default settings😀

 

This means a random person with LN2 can come on top of Futuremark Hall Of Fame's leaderboard and beat the hell of the best benchers in the world😎 Because they haven't the same tools to play with anymore.

 

So don't pull up your best scores from Hwbot to bragg about it. Some others without crippled HW can beat you, LOOL

 

New has to be better....

[jaybee83]

21 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Testing 6.2Ghz Boost with 5.9Ghz all core

UPDATE, this is my new daily profile.

I see a lot of people running this test, so here goes. Geekbench 5. Yes, its SUPER STABLE! I love it. This is a Pre- 13900KS all the way. CRAZY FAST single threaded performance, that's for sure. 



 

 

12 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

GeekBench 5 has its uses, but the main one is that its cross platform and tests GPUs a bit. The whole test barely fits within a boost period of macbook, before it inevitably starts throttling. I've noticed a lot of variance in the results due to the short duration. 

 

ummm....i wouldnt personally trust everyday stability of a production system on smth like geekbench 😅 best to do both load and longterm idle tests, including loads that u personally actually use on that system. aside from that also include worst case stuff like p95 with/without avx, blender, CB23 etc. the more various tests, the better to ensure overall stability.

 

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Haven’t the new cards but mean it’s 3090 Ti and above. Most likely a switch in NCP. 
 

No gamers should bother with this. And now you get a performance penalty if you bench for glitter and glory. 

 

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Wouldn't ECC allow you to overclock higher without the risk of artifacting, as some minor ones might be autocorrected? 

 

soooo, from an actual 4090 owner perspective: yes ECC can easily be enabled / disabled in NCP, simple checkbox. also judging from other 4090 owners enabling ECC is bad for benching since it tops out earlier than without ECC.

i personally leave it disabled and finetune going by visual inspection (artifacts) and actual performance gains (as long as it goes up with higher clocks its fine).

 

in the end, i always prefer to have MORE manual options and control than less. remember guys, its not always JUST about heavy benching and collecting points on the bot 😋 different ppl use the same hardware for different purposes.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Or put it the other way... People run their hardware at the edge of stability to max out scores or frames pr. sec (gaming). If the autocorrect has to kick in everytime and you will see lower scores or fps regardless how you see it. I expect this nice professional feature in NCP also will affect your max performance in gaming.

 

Edit: I haven't such cards so I can't test it with a decent overclock. 

 

Ps @Mr. Fox I didn't think this was possible. UL is the Futuremark owner and run certification business. And still can't make futuremark any better than what a single person without the skills can run a small shop. 

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/1890894/pr/1864506/fs/28868586

 

25 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep. And hwbot won't accept scores posted on their leaderboard with default settings😀

 

This means a random person with LN2 can come on top of Futuremark Hall Of Fame's leaderboard and beat the hell of the best benchers in the world😎 Because they haven't the same tools anymore.

 

So don't pull up your best scores from Hwbot to bragg about it. Some others without crippled HW can beat you, LOOL

 

New has to be better....

LOL... great minds think alike. You and I simultaneously posted semantically the same thing. GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). UL is a joke. They ruined Futuremark. HWBOT banned XTU because it is garbage, and they should do the same with UL. 

 

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

soooo, from an actual 4090 owner perspective: yes ECC can easily be enabled / disabled in NCP, simple checkbox. also judging from other 4090 owners enabling ECC is bad for benching since it tops out earlier than without ECC.

 

i personally leave it disabled and finetune going my visual inspection (artifacts) and actual performance gains (as long as it goes up with higher clocks its fine).

 

in the end, i always prefer to have MORE manual options and control than less. remember guys, its not always JUST about heavy benching and collecting points on the bot 😋 different ppl use the same hardware for different purposes.

A broken design make it worse for all. Geforce ain't a professional graphics card.

 

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

LOL... great minds think alike. You and I simultaneously posted semantically the same thing. GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). UL is a joke. They ruined Futuremark. HWBOT banned XTU because it is garbage, and they should do the same with UL. 

 

You should also add in Nvidia. New has to be better? Huuu

[Mr. Fox]

Let me quote myself again.

23 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The elite chosen are an entitled group. In fact, I honestly don't believe CENS wanted the CPU from @tps3443for himself as much as wanting to remove it from "retail" circulation because extraordinary silicon samples diminish the fake sense of mystery and talent the chosen need to validate their position. Even the comment by Splave exposes the subtle arrogance, although it probably was not intended to send that message. He may have well said, "Nice to see a pion accidentally get lucky with retail garbage that wasn't reserved for them." Guys like you and me and @johnksss could be a very dangerous threat to the elite overclockers' status if we got our hands on silicon samples like those @tps3443has lucked out with, and they know it. They're not worried about silly gamer kids that have no idea what they have, nor should they be. They're going to be too busy bragging about their low voltage and low power draw rather than chasing world records. Even if we didn't go down the LN2 path and take their crowns away, the gap between their spots on the leaderboard and the "not chosen" riff raff would be too close for their comfort. 

So, we have drama because the elite chosen golden girls are butt-hurt and going full emo retard because some pions running air and water beat their bugged LN2 scores, but the real reason is because UL's 3DMark is a POS buggy benchmark. So, they make it a rule to require ECC enabled rather than going back to UL and saying we aren't using your garbage benchmark suite any more until you idiots get your act together.

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

A broken design make it worse for all. Geforce ain't a proffesional graphics card.

You should also add in Nvidia. New has to be better? Huuu

Yes, I posted earlier in that thread about NVIDIA selling a defective product for a ludicrous price that demands and deserves near flawless perfection.

[Etern4l]

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Geforce ain't a proffesional graphics card.

 

 

Isn't this just some sort of HWBOT / benching software issue? You should be able to disable the option, as if it didn't exist for your purposes. As per @Mr. Fox, if I understood correctly.

 

At $2000 outside the US, I would proudly buy this card for professional purposes without a shade of shame. In fact, it's about the same price as A5000 while being significantly faster. The main downsides are the dimensions, 3 slot design and the wonky power adapter.

[Papusan]

8 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Isn't this just some sort of HWBOT / benching software issue? You should be able to disable the option, as if it didn't exist for your purposes. As per @Mr. Fox, if I understood correctly.

 

At $2000 outside the US, I would proudly buy this card for professional purposes without a shade of shame. In fact, it's about the same price as A5000 while being significantly faster. The main downsides are the dimensions, 3 slot design and the wonky power adapter.

Nope. Defective design from Nvidia and bugged benchmark software from Futuremark. Hwbot don't trust results from an vanilla 4000 series graphics card running default settings but oc'd. If the new graphics cards is run stock the problem isn't there. But why post stock results on the bot?

[Etern4l]

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Nope. Defective design from Nvidia and bugged benchmark software from Futuremark. Hwbot don't trust results from an vanilla 4000 series graphics card running default settings.

 

Goes to show it's hard to please everyone ;)

[Mr. Fox]

12 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Isn't this just some sort of HWBOT / benching software issue?

Yes, 3DMark is buggy (has been for several years) and it is only an issue now because a few of the prima donna chosen got their "professional overclocker" scores diminished by peasants that were not using LN2. At the end of the day it really is about HWBOT allowing UL's garbage and their solution is to require people that have a card with ECC memory gimp it by turning it on.

 

I also wonder how much incompetence there was on the part of the "professional overclockers" wasting time submitting benchmark scores with ECC enabled. Instead of admitting their mistake, starting over and submitting new scores with the setting turned off, it must be a lot easier to penalize everyone else with a new rule that requires that everyone commit the same mistake by fiat decree, and they hold their rank on the leaderboard without having to earn it. They can then void the submissions that challenged their supremacy.

[jaybee83]

28 minutes ago, Papusan said:

A broken design make it worse for all. Geforce ain't a proffesional graphics card.

 

You should also add in Nvidia. New has to be better? Huuu

 

lol that Linus reaction will always be legendary and priceless 😄 but yeah, just switch off and run along, no biggie 🙂

 

27 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Let me quote myself again.

So, we have drama because the elite chosen golden girls are butt-hurt and going full emo retard because some pions running air and water beat their bugged LN2 scores, but the real reason is because UL's 3DMark is a POS buggy benchmark. So, they make it a rule to require ECC enabled rather than going back to UL and saying we aren't using your garbage benchmark suite any more until you idiots get your act together.

Yes, I posted earlier in that thread about NVIDIA selling a defective product for a ludicrous price that demands and deserves near flawless perfection.

 

hahaha i knooooow ive seen so many butthurt users on overclock.net, basically every port royal score above 29k is called into question. but its kinda true, variance seems to be unusually high lately with similar clocks, that should not be the case with a proper benchmark worth its designation as such!

issue in the end is that users that do their due diligence in bios finetuning, OS decrapping and pulling all tricks in the book get crapped on by n00bs who just got lucky with a wonky run and bam u get big discussions.

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

lol that Linus reaction will always be legendary and priceless 😄 but yeah, just switch off and run along, no biggie 🙂

 

 

hahaha i knooooow ive seen so many butthurt users on overclock.net, basically every port royal score above 29k is called into question. but its kinda true, variance seems to be unusually high lately with similar clocks, that should not be the case with a proper benchmark worth its designation as such!

I seldom visit that place. All of the intelligent people from overclock.net left and started ExtremeHW.net so what remains are... well, you can connect the dots.

[jaybee83]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I seldom visit that place. All of the intelligent people from overclock.net left and started https://forums.extremehw.net/profile/564-mr-fox/ so what remains are... well, you can connect the dots.

haha ok, good to know 😄 ive found overclock.net a good place to just read up on new hardware and how it behaves / tuning basics like which voltages do what, which bios versions are available, what others get from the same hardware, etc. for me personally a good starting point to know how to tackle my new machine haha. but this is likely different from your perspective, having been back to desktop way longer than i have!

[tps3443]

10 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

 

ummm....i wouldnt personally trust everyday stability of a production system on smth like geekbench 😅 best to do both load and longterm idle tests, including loads that u personally actually use on that system. aside from that also include worst case stuff like p95 with/without avx, blender, CB23 etc. the more various tests, the better to ensure overall stability.

 

 

 

soooo, from an actual 4090 owner perspective: yes ECC can easily be enabled / disabled in NCP, simple checkbox. also judging from other 4090 owners enabling ECC is bad for benching since it tops out earlier than without ECC.

i personally leave it disabled and finetune going by visual inspection (artifacts) and actual performance gains (as long as it goes up with higher clocks its fine).

 

in the end, i always prefer to have MORE manual options and control than less. remember guys, its not always JUST about heavy benching and collecting points on the bot 😋 different ppl use the same hardware for different purposes.

Geekbench is excellent for triggering a failure on a high boosting single cores, you’ll lock up in seconds. Which was the only thing I was really worried about. But I was just running Geekbench to see what it scored primarily. If I run Prime 95 non-avx, or Cinebench it’s just gonna clock down to 5.8 or 5.9 and chug right along no problem at those lower clocks. What I have been testing is maxing out all the boost ratios, and making sure those super high boosting cores are stable and steady and boosting as high as I can run them.

 

And so far after hours and hours of testing, I have settled on 62,62,61,61,58,58 for the P-Cores with a X51 cache, and 45 E-Cores. I am actually using an adaptive VF curve voltage. This chip has got some silicon that’s for sure! I got my 13900KS already. 😎

[Mr. Fox]

14 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

haha ok, good to know 😄 ive found overclock.net a good place to just read up on new hardware and how it behaves / tuning basics like which voltages do what, which bios versions are available, what others get from the same hardware, etc. for me personally a good starting point to know how to tackle my new machine haha. but this is likely different from your perspective, having been back to desktop way longer than i have!

You are right. I implied that everyone there is a moron. That is not true. There are still some people there that are intelligent... you and me included. While the culture is probably similar or more stupid than overclock.net, I can say the same about Reddit. I hate the platform and a high percentage of the regulars there are batpoop crazy, but there is still some gold to be mined. You just have to sift through the guano to find it.

[Etern4l]

Happy Thanksgiving guys (if applicable)! 

[Mr. Fox]

Thank you. Same to you brother. In spite of life's ups and downs, there are plenty of reasons for any of us to be thankful.

[Mr. Fox]

On 11/23/2022 at 11:53 AM, ryan said:

Quick question?

 

I'm buying 64gb of ram for my hp omen 16-b0010ca.  I'm looking at gskill 3200 ddr4 ram or corsair vengence ddr4 3200...they both support xmp but only the vengence says it will Automatically overclock.

 

What's the best 32gb and up ram I can get for my laptop. is 3200 the max speed and will my omen 16 overclock the 32gb set to say 3600 Automatically I'm about to buy the 64gb gskill it's in my cart but the overclocking of the 32gb vengence has me interested...I don't mind stepping down to 32gb over 64gb if I get faster ram..

 

Advice?

I've never seen an example of a laptop that will automatically apply an XMP profile. That's not to say that there aren't any, only that I haven't seen one. If the functionality is there and actually works, then I don't think it matters what brand. Unless you have a laptop with the BIOS unlocked for memory tuning it's really not going to make any difference what you buy because you won't be able to set anything manually. That would be my first question; does the BIOS even support it? In most cases the answer is going to be "no" for laptops. 

[Papusan]

Alphacool is out with new fans without the "bling bling" lighs show. The 3000/4000 rpm 120mm variant fans cost here home 3.7 times less than what you have to pay for Noctua NF-F12 industrial PPC-3000. Yep, 3.7 times cheaper. Or even better, the Alphacool Core 140mm fans cost 4 times less than the Noctua NF-A14 iPPC-3000 fan.

 

The minimum rpm range for the stronger fans will most likely be around 1100 rpm so more noisy than Noctua at low/minimum speed but still a product to consider. And half the life expectance vs Noctua's industrial fans. But 70.000 hours is equal well above 7 years use or around 1$ in cost each year. Not bad... Not bad at all. The unknown... We still don't know how the noise will sound in different rpm range/full speed. Or will deliver the advertised airflow/static pressure. I prefer my Noctua Industrial fans sound over many other of the high pressure/high speed fans out there. 

 

It's nice that there is still a chance for people to buy ok tech products without being "forced to pay extra" for the (unwanted) not needed RGB flashing blight in all form and shape.

Alphacool Unveils Core 120 PWM and Core 140 PWM Series Case Fans

PRESS RELEASE Today, 12:29

 

Alphacool's fan lineup gets a new addition! The quiet and efficient Core PWM fan is now available in 120 mm and 140 mm, each in 3 different speed variants. The 120 mm version is available with a maximum speed of 2500rpm, 3000rpm as well as 4000rpm. The 140 mm version is available with maximum speeds of 2000 rpm, 2500 rpm and 3200 rpm.

 

• available as 120 mm or 140 mm version
• high airflow & static pressure
• wide speed control range using PWM
• durable smooth running bearing for quiet operation
• MSRP 6.48€ - 8.98€

 

@Mr. Fox @electrosoft ECC is a must have Nvidia feature. Maybe Nvidia should enable it as default? This so they could disable it at launch of 5xxx series and claim even 6% higher performance over previous gen cards😁

[Mr. Fox]

It might be a good time for all of us to take a vacation from all things PC and give Intel, NVIDIA and AMD a massive profit time-out for a few years. I think most of us have what we need to get by for a few years. If one or more of them doesn't survive, then que sera sera. The alternative is, we continue getting screwed. I'd much rather turn the tables on them.

[Etern4l]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It might be a good time for all of us to take a vacation from all things PC and give Intel, NVIDIA and AMD a massive profit time-out for a few years. I think most of us have what we need to get by for a few years. If one or more of them doesn't survive, then que sera sera. The alternative is, we continue getting screwed. I'd much rather turn the tables on them.

 

I would not really fault Intel, they did us a solid with the 13900K, however, Jensen could use a vacation or ideally exit the company for sure.

The problem with them is that they have AI as a presumably massive backup - I wonder what share of their business consumer video card market represents (I'm sure @electrosoftknows!). Similarly, AMD and Intel have the server market to support them, they would just deprioritise consumer product lines.

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It might be a good time for all of us to take a vacation from all things PC and give Intel, NVIDIA and AMD a massive profit time-out for a few years. I think most of us have what we need to get by for a few years. If one or more of them doesn't survive, then que sera sera. The alternative is, we continue getting screwed. I'd much rather turn the tables on them.

So you dont want go the HEDT route? Maybe AMD platform and 96 cores is what you really want? And no Intel Baby cores but loads of DDR5 sticks😁

Miss The HEDT Glory Days? Build a 96-core 12-Channel DDR5 Beast with AMD EPYC

With single-socket SP5 motherboards available, 96-core machines with up to 12-channel DDR5 memory are possible

[Etern4l]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

So you dont want go the HEDT route? Maybe AMD platform and 96 cores is what you really want? And no Intel Baby cores but loads of DDR5 sticks😁

Miss The HEDT Glory Days? Build a 96-core 12-Channel DDR5 Beast with AMD EPYC

With single-socket SP5 motherboards available, 96-core machines with up to 12-channel DDR5 memory are possible

 

 

In other news, AMD is opening a network of friendly kidney extraction clinics to help customers deal with the adoption cost of their latest EPYC 'Genoa' platform. 

 

Meanwhile "Black Friday" means "Blackout" for Nvidia. Only 3090Ti is released in small, AI-optimised batches. Even the 4080 cr@p sold out here. 

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

I would not really fault Intel, they did us a solid with the 13900K, however, Jensen could use a vacation or ideally exit the company for sure.

The problem with them is that they have AI as a presumably massive backup - I wonder what share of their business consumer video card market represents (I'm sure @electrosoftknows!). Similarly, AMD and Intel have the server market to support them, they would just deprioritise consumer product lines.

 

Problem is Nvidia really has no rivals in the GPU AI market space right now and their overall discrete (none of that Intel/AMD integrated malarkey) GPU market share still sits at ~80% overall. AMD actually made inroads last year when selection was poor but when the market returned to somewhat normal forces, that ~4% they gained (from 20% to 24%) rapidly dissolved back to 20%. Nvidia is the absolute, dominant force in the GPU market and Jensen knows it.

 

Pricing aside, they have and continue to make the outright superior product while AMD continues to make inroads but if leaked benchmarks are to be believed, the 7900XTX *is* going to crush the 4080 but when the dust clears the 4090 is still the top dog just like the 3090ti was vs the 6950xt; but it's looking like even though the 7900xtx will trade blows with the 4090 in pockets, the 4090 may have an overall bigger lead this time around vs the 7900xtx on raster and RT than the 3090ti vs 6950xt.

 

Price:Performance is clearly going to be AMD unless Nvidia goes for the kill and adjusts the 4080 down to $899 and introduces a 4080ti $1199 7900xtx slayer.

 

 

[Raiderman]

I've been looking at a x570 board and a 5950x to upgrade from my 3900x. Not going with the latest, and greatest mostly because of the ridiculous prices I've seen. These are some stupid prices for x770 boards. I'd rather be a generation or two behind than pay $1000 for a motherboard.