*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

Yeah I watched that video right after Roman released it. There's almost no need for M.2 heatsinks on modern motherboards. Most motherboards incorporate a better native solution and some of the weird aftermarket alternatives present fitment and aesthetic issues nobody wants to deal with.

 

This generation is a really good one to do nothing if you already have a strong performing 3090/Ti or 3080 Ti, or grab one at the lowest price ever, or go Intel A770 and save a crap-ton of money waiting for something good to surface in a year or two that isn't grossly overpriced, mediocre or prone to self-destruction.

 

I don't see anything from the red or green teams that is worth buying. The only respectable options are absurdly overpriced and have engineering defects that are inexcusable for  flagship products. Being greedy and half-assed deserves a 1 or 2 year time-out. They need an uncomfortable and costly pause to think about their behavior and come up with a better strategy that is worthy of our patronage.

[Mr. Fox]

This is too good to not share it here. Check this out. Never have seen or heard of this before.

  

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

Now this is really crazy. I am definitely going to explore this the next time I need to fix something that is broken.

 

 

 

[Talon]

21 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I'm going to drag my display over to my bud's house and his Suprim 4090 to confirm this once this Fluvid I have at the moment resolves (Flu A + Covid).

 

Feel better soon man. 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Feel better soon man. 

 

 

LOL, I just saw that in another forum. Crazy stuff.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5148862_elmor_cpu_frequency_core_i9_13900k_(8p)_9008.82_mhz

 

@electrosoftI missed the comment about you being under the weather. I hope you get well soon and have no sickness in your house over Christmas. Will keep you and the fam in my prayers, bud.

[ryan]

super happy finally had the cash to buy my laptop back....been playing forza 7 on the couch now its benchmark time...what did i miss>? whats going on with the 4090s and 13900ks?

 

also coincidentally I watched a video of super glue and ashes was an amazing fix for alot of things who would have thunk

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

super happy finally had the cash to buy my laptop back....been playing forza 7 on the couch now its benchmark time...what did i miss>? whats going on with the 4090s and 13900ks?

 

also coincidentally I watched a video of super glue and ashes was an amazing fix for alot of things who would have thunk

Hey Brother @ryan Glad you got your laptop back, buddy. Here is something you might find useful for the benchmarking. https://www.capframex.com/

 

Does a great job of measuring system behavior and performance and has a nice overlay.

 

[Rage Set]

I think I am cursed. I swear I am. The TRX40 platform has been nothing but trouble for me. My Asus Zenith Extreme II Alpha has died....and this was the replacement mobo for the original that died on me. So in two years, I went through the original Zenith Extreme II, replaced that and sold it. Purchased the Zenith Extreme II Alpha, died and got that replaced. Now this one is suffering from the same Memory 00 - Memory Test error.

 

I don't understand. I am not overclocking the CPU nor the GPU. The RAM is set at 3600 which is perfectly fine for this platform. 

 

Now I have to worry about if Asus is going to replace it, because I don't know if it is under warranty or not. I'm going to send it to them on Friday and wait. I am done with high end consumer PC products. 

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

I think I am cursed. I swear I am. The TRX40 platform has been nothing but trouble for me. My Asus Zenith Extreme II Alpha has died....and this was the replacement mobo for the original that died on me. So in two years, I went through the original Zenith Extreme II, replaced that and sold it. Purchased the Zenith Extreme II Alpha, died and got that replaced. Now this one is suffering from the same Memory 00 - Memory Test error.

 

I don't understand. I am not overclocking the CPU nor the GPU. The RAM is set at 3600 which is perfectly fine for this platform. 

 

Now I have to worry about if Asus is going to replace it, because I don't know if it is under warranty or not. I'm going to send it to them on Friday and wait. I am done with high end consumer PC products. 

Have you tried anything but Asus? I have been done with them for quite some time. My go to choice for any MB is MSI.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Creator-TRX40

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Rage Set said:

I think I am cursed. I swear I am. The TRX40 platform has been nothing but trouble for me. My Asus Zenith Extreme II Alpha has died....and this was the replacement mobo for the original that died on me. So in two years, I went through the original Zenith Extreme II, replaced that and sold it. Purchased the Zenith Extreme II Alpha, died and got that replaced. Now this one is suffering from the same Memory 00 - Memory Test error.

 

I don't understand. I am not overclocking the CPU nor the GPU. The RAM is set at 3600 which is perfectly fine for this platform. 

 

Now I have to worry about if Asus is going to replace it, because I don't know if it is under warranty or not. I'm going to send it to them on Friday and wait. I am done with high end consumer PC products. 

You must have stood too close to me and my crummy product sample kooties jumped over onto you.

3 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Have you tried anything but Asus? I have been done with them for quite some time. My go to choice for any MB is MSI.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Creator-TRX40

 

 

Asus reliability is extremely sketchy on their flagship products. I have had nothing but trouble with Rampage, Maximus Hero and Apex motherboards. What is really goofy is the fact that I have had no problems with their cost-conscious options like Prime and Strix motherboards. It makes no sense, because the opposite should be true. You pay a premium price, but do not get a premium product or premium support for it.

 

This is terribly unfortunate because their enthusiast motherboards have very compelling features and offer performance that is only matched in an EVGA Dark motherboard, but the failure rate and horrible customer service and inconvenience you have to endure isn't a good trade-off for those features. EVGA isn't perfect, but their support and customer-care standards make me always give preference to them over any other brand. Their products are overbuilt and if something goes wrong they swiftly remedy the problem in a hassle-free manner. They don't treat you like a criminal or automatically assume it is the customer's fault and make you wait 3 to 6 weeks to get a replacement. Nobody else does that. The way EVGA operates should be status quo and taken for granted on flagship products no matter what the brand is.

[Papusan]

22 hours ago, Papusan said:

Alienware Aurora R15 Review: Playing it CoolerAlienware has finally upgraded its AIO cooler.

And here's the picture of Dell Alienwares gaming flagship. Nice cable bend as well 🙂 Exactly the way Nvidia saiid you shouldn't. But its Dell, so it has to be ok.

 

 

21 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

They seem to enjoy being part of the problem rather than part of the solution. Supporting trashmasters like Alienware seems to be their new calling. GIGO... no other way to describe it. Bad input creates bad output.

Gee, thanks, Tom's Hardware. *sarcasm*

Sorry, but I couldn't let this topic stay quiet. I replied in the comment section on the review of the new refreshed Dell Alienware black and white junk plastic-box at Tomshardware. This is only my honest opinion. And nothing more. Please post your opinion as well if you want. Link below.

 

 

 

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/alienware-aurora-r15-review-playing-it-cooler.3789545/post-22887258

 

 

Edit. A PSU review for bro John.

 

Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 1650 W Review - Two 12VHPWR Connectors

REVIEW POWER SUPPLIES

The Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 1650 W is the only PSU on the market that offers two 12VHPWR connectors, each capable of 600 W. This unit can support two NVIDIA RTX 4090s with their power limits set to max, along with a powerful CPU and other power-hungry components.

 

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Feel better soon man. 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

LOL, I just saw that in another forum. Crazy stuff.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5148862_elmor_cpu_frequency_core_i9_13900k_(8p)_9008.82_mhz

 

@electrosoftI missed the comment about you being under the weather. I hope you get well soon and have no sickness in your house over Christmas. Will keep you and the fam in my prayers, bud.

 

Thanks bros! I'm hopped up on a Zpac and Tamiflu (day 2) along with an inhaler atm....fun stuff.

 

7900xtx pickup date (XFX Merc) is Dec 30th from BB but my bud snagged a reference 7900xtx today from MC after I told him I ordered one to compare since he's curious too since he also plays WoW (and MW) and didn't want t wait. Obviously with a Suprim 4090 he won't be holding onto the 7900xtx regardless.

 

 

I can let the Merc sit in order limbo while we Facetime tomorrow to do some Ardenweald runs.  We'll do some flight point runs across the zone for consistency Ultra 10 RT on. I don't want to cancel my order till I see some preliminary data.

 

I ordered a 4080 FE from BB too. That one I was able to get 10% off with BB member code and with rewards on top total price w/ tax is 1096.54.

 

 

So we'll be able to definitively see where the 7900xtx, 4080 and 4090 stack up at 4k Ultra 10 RT on.

 

If the Merc 7900xtx pops back up I'll attempt to re-order it with another 10% off, cancel the original, and let it sit in limbo.

 

Predictions? I expect the 7900xtx to barely beat the 4080 pure Raster but once that RT switch gets flipped to get wrecked especially out in the Dragon Isles since I'm getting lower fps out there than Ardenweald with my Strix 3080.

 

It will be good to see what puts my 144mhz 5120x1440 display in the "sweet spot" zone. I'd definitely like 100fps min everywhere ultra 10 RT on. The Strix 3080 is just getting pummeled in zone 2 of Dragonflight with dips into the low 60s / high 50s just out questing.

 

Looking at the chart I posted a few days ago, the 7900xtx on average is 30% faster than the 3080 in RT but the 4080 is 62% faster. 4090 of course is 124% faster.....

 

If 55-65fps is the 3080 RT target then the 7900xtx based on those numbers in the chart will fall short but the 4080 will put me right at or close to my baseline acceptance. 4090 will put it right near or over  144 cap consistently but as long as I get 100fps+ I'm good.

 

I'll have more clarity tomorrow with the 7900xtx vs my 3080/3090ti data.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

55 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Sorry, but I couldn't let this topic stay quiet. I replied in the comment section on the review of the new refreshed Dell Alienware black and white junk plastic-box at Tomshardware. This is only my honest opinion. And nothing more. Please post your opinion as well if you want. Link below.

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/alienware-aurora-r15-review-playing-it-cooler.3789545/#post-22887289

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/alienware-aurora-r15-review-playing-it-cooler.3789545/#post-22887289

Lool. Trash everywhere and at massive premium. But people still buy it. Of course they make more of if people are happy with junk. The circle goes around and around as a never stopping clock watch.

 

TEST15

Case fans for the Chroma RGB world

Razer Kunai Chroma 120mm and 140mm

With the Kunai Chroma fans, Razer offers its own fans. The integrated Chroma RGB lighting should be a special eye-catcher. With wide speed ranges, Kunai Chroma 120mm and 140mm also give hope for high cooling performance.

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Lool. Trash everywhere and at massive premium. But people still buy it. Of course they make more of if people are happy with junk. The circle goes around and around as a never stopping clock.

 

TEST15

Case fans for the Chroma RGB world

Razer Kunai Chroma 120mm and 140mm

With the Kunai Chroma fans, Razer offers its own fans. The integrated Chroma RGB lighting should be a special eye-catcher. With wide speed ranges, Kunai Chroma 120mm and 140mm also give hope for high cooling performance.

I find it difficult to imagine why anyone would buy an Alienware or a Razer desktop. The only plausible explanation for it is abject ignorance. Nobody of ordinary intelligence would deliberately waste their money on the rubbish produced by either of these companies, so ignorance is the only way to explain such irrational behavior.

[Papusan]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I find it difficult to imagine why anyone would buy an Alienware or a Razer desktop. The only plausible explanation for it is abject ignorance. Nobody of ordinary intelligence would deliberately waste their money on the rubbish produced by either of these companies, so ignorance is the only way to explain such irrational behavior.

You'll never understand this bro Fox. And neither do I But for some people.... 

Spoiler

 

[Mr. Fox]

More tacky-looking computer crap... LOL. This time from ASUS, not Yeston. They are focusing on this stupid stuff instead of QC. At least it is not effeminate anime crap. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B1PG1C8D?ref_=posts

 

[Papusan]

I wonder if some of you have an advice for an UPS. Need to be with Type F (Norway). Not to expensive. More for ordinary daily use and flashing of firmware. Thanks

 

The store where I can get one without paying 33% on top. See what you can find there. Reviews of the UPS would also be fine.

https://www.proshop.no/UPS?o=1028&pre=0&fv~ups_effektenhedstromkapacitetva=1550-5000

 

From 27:05 AMD is 2 generation behind Nvidia, LOOL

 

And from 27:34 AMD chose to increase their margins going with chiplets (to cut costs) over trying to compete in high end. Thats a kind of company AMD is, LOOL

 

                               

[electrosoft]

Just did an hour of runs earlier before calling it a night. He set up another clean W10 install on a spare M.2 to dual boot for the Powercolor 7900xtx so we could go back and forth real quick. We'll do more tomorrow especially in the Dragon Isles but it's not looking good. It is turning into kind of what I thought. Raster meaningful gains, RT it becomes a 3090/3090ti card.

 

7900xtx is ~30-35% faster than his old KPE 3090 Raster only same run (~92fps 3080 vs ~110fps 3090 vs 144fps 7900xtx) but turn on RT high and it becomes a near wash 3090 vs 7900xtx ( 57fps 3080 vs 70fps 3090 vs 73fps 7900xtx ). 3090ti would probably add another fps or two to the 70fps RT.

 

Based on these results I am thinking the 4080 will be right around 100-110fps

 

Suprim 4090 in the same run spits out ~155fps RT on. What an absolute beast.

 

Zero OCs on any of the GPUs.

 

I haven't cancelled my Merc order but most likely will as I'm not seeing some super silver lining out there unless I run Raster only.

 

4080 @ $1079 suddenly isn't immediately vomit inducing but that 4090? Whew.....

 

His parting words before hanging up? "You look and sound almost as bad as the RT scores on the 7900xtx get some sleep" (ZING)

 

I leave you with this tweet from HUB.....AMD you slippery rascal you!

 

[Rage Set]

11 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Have you tried anything but Asus? I have been done with them for quite some time. My go to choice for any MB is MSI.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Creator-TRX40

 

 

 

I have had MSI graphic cards but I never gave them a second thought on motherboards. I, like a lot of PC users, will be loyal to brand...to a fault. 

 

The problem now is that all of these TRX40 boards are sold out at normal retailers. There are only third party sellers. I was thinking of buying a cheap TRX40 board on eBay, but with how bad some of these boards are (checking reviews), I don't want to chance it. 

 

The only thing I can do is wait until after Asus tells me its decision on the board. 

 

 

 

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

You must have stood too close to me and my crummy product sample kooties jumped over onto you.

Asus reliability is extremely sketchy on their flagship products. I have had nothing but trouble with Rampage, Maximus Hero and Apex motherboards. What is really goofy is the fact that I have had no problems with their cost-conscious options like Prime and Strix motherboards. It makes no sense, because the opposite should be true. You pay a premium price, but do not get a premium product or premium support for it.

 

This is terribly unfortunate because their enthusiast motherboards have very compelling features and offer performance that is only matched in an EVGA Dark motherboard, but the failure rate and horrible customer service and inconvenience you have to endure isn't a good trade-off for those features. EVGA isn't perfect, but their support and customer-care standards make me always give preference to them over any other brand. Their products are overbuilt and if something goes wrong they swiftly remedy the problem in a hassle-free manner. They don't treat you like a criminal or automatically assume it is the customer's fault and make you wait 3 to 6 weeks to get a replacement. Nobody else does that. The way EVGA operates should be status quo and taken for granted on flagship products no matter what the brand is.

 

 

Something definitely changed with Asus. I still have their first Zenith Extreme board and it works perfectly, so does the X299 Rampage I have....even the X99 Rampage I got all those years ago...works. They are really resting on their laurels now and their brand is suffering. 

[Reciever]

I havent really used Asus since they left me high and dry with a Rampage III Extreme with a dead memory channel.

[Raiderman]

19 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I havent really used Asus since they left me high and dry with a Rampage III Extreme with a dead memory channel.

That's the reason most have left Asus, their horrible customer service, and crap QC. I haven't owned one for 10 years. There are too many other manufacturers that have better products IMO. I base my opinion on board quality and customer support combined.

[tps3443]

On 12/19/2022 at 12:20 PM, Mr. Fox said:

 

For what it's worth, it looks like it has, in fact, been redesigned. It sucks that the one they sold me was lousy. The cold plate looks totally different now. http://www.supercoolcomputer.com/en/product/44/direct-die-intel-gen13
 

Here is the current design:

Here is what they sold me that sucked:

Hopefully the new design does a better job of cooling. My temps were basically the same as using the copper IHS with the old design. There was no measurable improvement and it wasn't worth the added inconvenience created by the design. If you have to take it apart for any reason it is more than a little bit inconvenient. Here is how I did it without making a mess. (The inconvenience would have been an acceptable flaw had it worked as well as expected.)

 

I have the newest revision coming. Someone was running it on their 13900K and they broke the chip apparently via accidental SMD removal, and they sold me the supercool DD block. I had to pay $150 shipped for it though 😞. They are hard to come by in todays time. The guy making them is backed up with orders. 
 

I’m running 6.0P, 4.8E, 5.1R on my current CPU for gaming work etc and hoping this will tame down temps during some heavier benches.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I have the newest revision coming. Someone was running it on their 13900K and they broke the chip apparently via accidental SMD removal, and they sold me the supercool DD block. I had to pay $150 shipped for it though 😞. They are hard to come by in todays time. The guy making them is backed up with orders. 
 

I’m running 6.0P, 4.8E, 5.1R on my current CPU for gaming work etc and hoping this will tame down temps during some heavier benches.

If I had a 3D printer and knew how to use it (or a CNC machine - even better) I would make a direct die frame that is made like the IHS frame but thinner on top. I think if you glue the cold plate in place with a drop of Super Glue on each side in the center, the danger of knocking off the SMDs will be minimized. Latching the cold plate down using the Intel ILM sucks and I think that method carries greater risk if it is not held in place. I think it would be safer to do direct die by using Kapton tape to hold the CPU in the socket and just set an ordinary waterblock on the die. Then the chances of knocking off the SMDs is slim.

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

I havent really used Asus since they left me high and dry with a Rampage III Extreme with a dead memory channel.

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

That's the reason most have left Asus, their horrible customer service, and crap QC. I haven't owned one for 10 years. There are too many other manufacturers that have better products IMO. I base my opinion on board quality and customer support combined.

If their warranty service were like EVGA I would be more forgiving of their shoddy QC. Although, I have not forgiven them yet for killing the best 10900KF sample I have ever owned. Probably won't. When they sell you a pile of trash and it takes more than a month to resolve the matter that is unacceptable. When you buy their top of the line products you should get a cross-ship RMA and next business day exchange service. (Not overnight air, but shipped by next business day.) You have to pay to ship their broken garbage to them, wait for them to receive it, then get in line for testing and then wait for them to decide whether to make excuses why it is your fault instead of theirs and the wait for them to determine whether they are going to repair it or replace it, then wait for them to act on their decision. It is an absolute JOKE and I'd like to see them crucified for it. The Rampage board I had that caught on fire was obviously destroyed and it took the idiots 6 weeks to ship a replacement. About 10 days was lost waiting for an engineer to examine it to verify they could not repair it. It was obvious at a glance it was damaged beyond feasible repair. Even if they could have done something it was cosmetically destroyed. Within a matter of about three days the Rampage was replaced by an X299 Dark and I sold the refurbished turd they sent as a replacement almost 2 months after it failed. I never even unwrapped it. It went up for sale on eBay immediately.

 

I am not confident that MSI or Gigabutt are actually any different when it comes to shoddy service, and I believe ASSrock might be as bad or worse than ASUS. Maybe Brother @johnkssscan speak to how his experience has been, but as an outside observer I was most definitely not impressed by what I think I saw his experience look like with MSI. When my first Unify-X was failing (it was only a few days old) I was fortunate because it was within the 30 day window for return at NewEgg, so I had them swap it out. Even NewEgg has been service than ASUS.

 

If you buy a good product that is durable you do not need quality warranty service and support. Unfortunately, it is difficult to find good products that live up to my expectations as an overclocking enthusiast.

 

I would consider a Z790 Apex if it were not so grossly overpriced and I had a spare motherboard to use if it failed (which is likely, unfortunately). I believe it is only available in white and I think it leaves a lot to be desired in terms of aesthetics. Black would have been a more logical choice. I know some people like white components, but it really limits their target market.

 

 

[tps3443]

6.0Ghz P-Cores "Auto voltage" 
4.8Ghz E-Cores "Auto voltage"
5.1Ghz Ring
DDR5 7400 C34 (Optimized Timings/RTL's) @1.395V in bios. 
1.050V SA Voltage
1.250V VDD2
1.250V VDDQ

(32) iterations of HCI Memtest. This is really a nice gaming profile right here. Yes 4.8Ghz on the E-Cores loses massive amount of efficiency. But its stable. And it is a MONSTER. I am heavily limited by my DDR5 and Unify-X. I wish I just had some Greensticks. I can stabilize DDR5 7600-7800 for games, but it's not really stable though. My IMC seems to be amazing, because I can reduce supporting CPU IMC voltages quite a bit. I can probably go below 1.00V on the SA, and 1.200V on the VDDQ/VDD2 voltages.
 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

And from 27:34 AMD chose to increase their margins going with chiplets (to cut costs) over trying to compete in high end. Thats a kind of company AMD is, LOOL

I hate having to admit it when this guy is right, but when someone states the truth I have to support it. Right is right no matter whose mouth the words emanate from. AMD is not in the game to win. They never have been. Or, at least they don't behave as if they are. Maybe they don't know how because they haven't won at anything except being the low cost leader since about 2003.