*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

Yes I’m aware of the combined/crossload power limits on these laptops. I have one. 
 

Got a link to that whooping you’re talking about? I’d be curious to see it. 1080p low settings to drive FPS in BF2042 I was seeing over 300fps on my 13900HX and 4080 laptop.
 

My 4090 likely does the same given it’s almost entirely CPU limited in that situation with the GPU pulling nowhere near max TGP. The crossload is under 240w CPU/GPU. Swap to 4K and you’ll be GPU TGP limited and nowhere near CPU limited. 

I have no idea, this was a while back when I was considering getting a 4090 laptop. I think it was actually a video on YouTube. But I was researching and investigating the crossload thing a lot, and I was able to see some advantages where a 7945HX CPU would spare more overhead for your 4090 somewhere. This was part of what kinda turned me away, because I had my mind set on the faster clocked intel chips. 
 

I don’t doubt your machine is fast though. 
 

 

[KING19]

On 7/5/2023 at 6:54 PM, Mr. Fox said:

When the reviewers are all calling foul it is definitely a time you want to pause and pay close attention. It is either true and the product is garbage that should be avoided; or, they are all part of a very carefully orchestrated conspiracy intended to cause harm to the subject under review, or its manufacturer. This is highly unlikely in the context of a product review. If that many say it is no good, or a poor value, then it is probably true. They have a lot to risk personally by presenting the unvarnished truth. Probably to an even greater degree with what they present in a negative light because--whether it is true or not--they want to portray an image of unbiased professionalism. Without that they have nothing to offer anyone. In a political or social popularity scenario where we find self-anointed thought police with an agenda, the latter is entirely possible or maybe even highly likely, because success of the agenda itself, not public opinion about the messenger, is the end game.

 

Agreed. Even most reviewers cant shill for it even if they wanted to because its that bad

 

Also the customers have spoken!.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Awful-RTX-4060-launch-day-sales-reported-as-the-GPU-records-a-10-price-drop-in-Spain-within-a-week-of-release.732192.0.html

[Papusan]

Nice with white theme. This yellow brownish color looks more like first gen Dell Alienware Lunar white after 4 weeks use, LOOL

 

And with real melting, you can see that CableMod didn't follow Intel and PCI-SIGs recommanded terminal design. They prefer go the wrong way. Probably to cut costs/easier to get because all other avoid them. Everyone have warned about the Dimple terminal design since end of 2022. 

 

 

Suffered the fate of the burning 180 degree adapter

 

And the competitor to CM use real terminals. Not many have posted melted MODDIY cables. 

 

All MODDIY cables and adapters are using top-quality high-current 4-String terminals as recommended by Intel. 

[tps3443]

So guy on OC forums said Intel could not replace his 13900KS under warranty because they didn’t have any, so they offered him a refund instead. What in the heck…🤯These things must be gone for good then. 

[Papusan]

2 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

So guy on OC forums said Intel could not replace his 13900KS under warranty because they didn’t have any, so they offered him a refund instead. What in the heck…🤯These things must be gone for good then. 

Intel bin chips for 14900K later this year🙂 

[Talon]

54 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

So guy on OC forums said Intel could not replace his 13900KS under warranty because they didn’t have any, so they offered him a refund instead. What in the heck…🤯These things must be gone for good then. 

 

I'll sell you one. Barely used, in my second rig, has a MC warranty. 

[seanwee]

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

You can usually tell by the part number on G.SKILL, but the speed is also a dead give-away in most cases. The rated XMP speed is a reflection of the capability of the memory IC. So, you won't see Micron or Samsung memory kits above 6000-6200 because that exceeds their normal functional capabilities. It is almost guaranteed that above 6200 is SK Hynix M-die or A-die.

Anything in the 6400-6800 range is SK Hynix, usually M-die up to 6400. Above 6400 usually Hynix A-die. Samsung can generally be speed rated up to about 6000. Below 6000 it could be anything and it really doesn't matter what it is because you're shopping for cheap parts and don't care about overclocking or performance tuning in the low-budget product category. There is that point of possible overlap in the 6000 realm. TeamGroup Delta is SK Hynix and they advertise that is the ony IC they utilize.

 

11 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Nice! Anyway to get that CPU score up? Seems pretty low and holding back your overall hard. 

 

10 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I was impressed as well. It’s actually a little faster than my 3090 desktop. And to be a laptop, that is just crazy. Only that laptop has benefits of DLSS3, frame insertion etc. Not bad at all. I think the GPU score is really good because the CPU uses less of the available max system power limit. So on average that 4090 will be a little quicker in GPU bound scenarios than the Intel/4090 laptops.

 

10 hours ago, Talon said:

 

No that GPU score is so high because it's shunt modded. It has absolutely nothing to do with stock power at all. All 4090 laptop will happily sit at 175w TGP which is the max allowed through any vendor (except tongfang chassis that use a built in shunt). All 4090 laptops will happily sit at 175w in games/benchmarks. 

 

This is the BEST RTX 4090 Laptop (shunted of course) and i9 13900HX. It curb stomps that score. Legion 7i Pro Gen 8 beast mode.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/38610285

 

 

 

7 hours ago, tps3443 said:

You know how all of these machines have a combined CPU and GPU max limit for both component loads? Some are 200 watts, others are 250 watts maybe. 
 

Well, I saw somewhere during testing with Battlefield 2042, and with the Ryzen 4090 machine it was straight whooping the Intel 4090 laptops. And this was because 4090 and Intel CPU was scaling back during gameplay because power consumption. The Intel chips were using much more power. While the Ryzen chip stayed clocked higher during gameplay, and it allowed the 4090 GPU to use more power too. 
 

I don’t think they can lock that 175 TGP watts during gameplay. Not even a GT77 can do that (Maybe games like Dying Lite 2 or low cpu power games). Because the CPU can hit just 60-70 watts in plenty of titles, and it starts throttling back the 4090 available power to the 130’s and 140’s range. It kind of sucks that they do this. But they just stay inside of that 230ish combined CPU/GPU power range. They have to power other components with the 330W brick like the panel, keyboard, trackpad, fans RGB lights, motherboard, storage, and other items. 

 

4 hours ago, Talon said:

Yes I’m aware of the combined/crossload power limits on these laptops. I have one. 
 

Got a link to that whooping you’re talking about? I’d be curious to see it. 1080p low settings to drive FPS in BF2042 I was seeing over 300fps on my 13900HX and 4080 laptop.
 

My 4090 likely does the same given it’s almost entirely CPU limited in that situation with the GPU pulling nowhere near max TGP. The crossload is under 240w CPU/GPU. Swap to 4K and you’ll be GPU TGP limited and nowhere near CPU limited. 

 

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I have no idea, this was a while back when I was considering getting a 4090 laptop. I think it was actually a video on YouTube. But I was researching and investigating the crossload thing a lot, and I was able to see some advantages where a 7945HX CPU would spare more overhead for your 4090 somewhere. This was part of what kinda turned me away, because I had my mind set on the faster clocked intel chips. 
 

I don’t doubt your machine is fast though. 
 

 

Windows 11 kills performance. Surprise surprise

 

Retested with windows 10.

 

Prema is left in the dust now but 3dmark

still favors Intel's faster cores it seems. Timespy is limited to 10 cores so it doesn't scale with amd's cpus.

 

I helped GQNerd with the shunting, power draw is the same. Clockspeeds are similar as well so the only factors would be cpu and ram.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/96711130

 

Scores are closer with port royal but still can't beat his score even with better clocks.

https://www.3dmark.com/pr/2434467

 

Here's a few game benchmarks I ran on windows 11

 

 

 

Creams the 13980hx even in the most Intel biased game

 

For reference, this is Jarrod'sTech's bench

 

 

As for combined power draw. Hows 436w sound? Prime95 small fft + furmark

 

 

Bonus cinebench R23

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

So guy on OC forums said Intel could not replace his 13900KS under warranty because they didn’t have any, so they offered him a refund instead. What in the heck…🤯These things must be gone for good then. 

 

You know I tagged you in on that post earlier in this thread right?

 

 

[Talon]

@seanwee Nice scores! Ya it's crazy how much TS seems to hate AMD CPUs. I saw a 13950HX posted the other day over 37K CB23 and I think a 13980HX is 38K territory. I'd be more curious how well the power limit and temps look for that score. 

 

My non-shunted 4090 in Far Cry 6 bench with your settings, a lowly 13900HX and single rank DDR5. Curious how much better I'd do if I was shunted too. There just isn't much in it for shunting it seems. 

 

[seanwee]

25 minutes ago, Talon said:

@seanwee Nice scores! Ya it's crazy how much TS seems to hate AMD CPUs. I saw a 13950HX posted the other day over 37K CB23 and I think a 13980HX is 38K territory. I'd be more curious how well the power limit and temps look for that score. 

 

My non-shunted 4090 in Far Cry 6 bench with your settings, a lowly 13900HX and single rank DDR5. Curious how much better I'd do if I was shunted too. There just isn't much in it for shunting it seems. 

 

Nice, and no, shunting the 4090 won't help much more with far cry 6 as its not gpu bound. I did the run before and after the shunt mod, no difference. It's more a test of your cpu and ram speed like any other far cry game.
 

What clocks and timings are you running on your ram btw? I've done what I can with UMAF but I can't adjust the TREFI timings.

 

 

For the cinebench score that's 150w with an undervolt.  Waiting for dragon range support on UXTU.

 

 

[DDAY3493]

@Recieverstill got the Predator 21x, not the best anymore, but it still kicks a**. The design is still one of the best laptop wise, in my opinion! 

[Talon]

3 hours ago, seanwee said:

Nice, and no, shunting the 4090 won't help much more with far cry 6 as its not gpu bound. I did the run before and after the shunt mod, no difference. It's more a test of your cpu and ram speed like any other far cry game.
 

What clocks and timings are you running on your ram btw? I've done what I can with UMAF but I can't adjust the TREFI timings.

 

 

For the cinebench score that's 150w with an undervolt.  Waiting for dragon range support on UXTU.

 

 

150w! Wow that’s insane. The efficiency is quite a bit better. I think it takes around 170w for just 33-34K range on my chip but I’ll double check. Might be worse. 
 

I wonder why AMD doesn’t just release an X3D laptop gaming chip and be done with it. 
 

I’m using 6000 CL36 38 38 87 TREFI is 20000 and trfc 480. At stock 1.1v
 

Looking at yours, I need to tighten down my tRAS. And I wish I could run DR 6000. I think something in the Legion BIOS blocks or prevents it. 

 

 

[seanwee]

9 minutes ago, Talon said:

150w! Wow that’s insane. The efficiency is quite a bit better. I think it takes around 170w for just 33-34K range on my chip but I’ll double check. Might be worse. 
 

I wonder why AMD doesn’t just release an X3D laptop gaming chip and be done with it. 
 

I’m using 6000 CL36 38 38 87 TREFI is 20000 and trfc 480. At stock 1.1v
 

Looking at yours, I need to tighten down my tRAS. And I wish I could run DR 6000. I think something in the Legion BIOS blocks or prevents it. 

 

 

Yeah, i do a lot of cpu+gpu load so intel wasn't a viable option for me.

 

I got 34k at 90w stock.

As for why no X3D, tenperature sensitivity was the most cited reason. Another would be no competition from intel since they cant push 350w+ cpu on laptops.

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, seanwee said:

Here's a few game benchmarks I ran on windows 11

 

 

What game(s) do these screenshots correspond with? Nothing identifies the title in the screenshots that I can see.

[Talon]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

What game(s) do these screenshots correspond with? Nothing identifies the title in the screenshots that I can see.

It's Cyberpunk 2077 and Far Cry 6. 

[ryan]

I noticed that also, no far cry 6 benchmark and a comparison to something thats not there perhaps. either way impressive scores, I think getting 3090 oc scores is impressive for a laptop, but these comparisons have been done for years now.

[Papusan]

Proof in the pudding. Stilll have any trust in CableMod bro @Mr. Fox?

 

 

New CableMod Basics 90 degree cables available on Amazon US!

And yet, its the adapters that burn up. Lower sales with the adapters but they stands for 99.99% of melted connectors. 

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And it seems some of the PSU manufacturers have improved their 4 spring terminals and connectors.... See https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cooler-master-ships-psu-with-more-durable-cooler-12vhpwr-connector

 

 

 

 

[Rage Set]

Steve from GN, in his latest HW News video, basically admitted that EVGA will be shutting its doors. This is why their new XC PSU's have a 3 year warranty. So with that information, does that mean EVGA will be gone within three years - only offering support for their remaining products? 

 

I get why the owner won't sell the company but to let the company simply shut down is an injustice. Steve did mention there were personal elements involved and perhaps that's why the owner is willing to let EVGA die. I hope, one day the full story comes out. 

 

Now I have to think about the decision to buy a Z790 Dark. Will it support Intel's 14th gen? If it does but issues arise, who's going to support it with BIOS updates if the BIOS devs are leaving?

[Vasudev]

On 6/26/2023 at 8:28 PM, Papusan said:

Finally below 30C in and out. No aircondition and the houses here home is built to keep the houses warm in the winter. This is too much for me. Wish I had AC now. And the temp will continue as this the coming days. Not the best with broken lungs. 

 

Here I'm 24C-27C on avg after rainfall. In the night its cooler 20-22C and my AW BGA is very cool and quiet along with Pixel 7 reaching max temps 33C and min at 25C as opposed to 42C max and 33C min in summer at 40-45C ambient.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Steve from GN, in his latest HW News video, basically admitted that EVGA will be shutting its doors. This is why their new XC PSU's have a 3 year warranty. So with that information, does that mean EVGA will be gone within three years - only offering support for their remaining products? 

Yep, I smelled this once I saw their release  of their new PSUs one month ago. I in short said they was on the way digging their own grave.... Yep, I was spot on bro @Rage Set

 

And if you have followed my older posts a few months ago I was very clear that EVGA went their own ways.... 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Now I have to think about the decision to buy a Z790 Dark. Will it support Intel's 14th gen? If it does but issues arise, who's going to support it with BIOS updates if the BIOS devs are leaving?

 

And nope. I won't replace my trashy Z690 Apex board with one from EVGA. It's what it is but better with minimum support than almost no support or no support at all within a few months forwards. On top I save my hard earned money. BUY new MB from a manufacturer near the death is just dumb. 

 

EVGA...

[Rage Set]

I was looking for an AM5 CPU block, as we know that the majority of AM4 custom blocks will not work on AM5 mobos. I started looking at Optimus again. Then I remembered I have the Optimus Foundation CPU block that @Mr. Fox gave me installed (along with the rad/fans I got from him) on the EVGA Dark X570 with the 5950X. After a bit of research, the block will work natively on AM5. 

 

Going through the Optimus website, they mention the Foundation block was "made" for AM5 but I don't see any differences between the one I have and the one pictured on their website. I am going to contact them and see if they will tell me if there was a revision of any kind. 

 

@electrosoft I have know you've tried at least two Ryzen 7000 series CPUs, but if you had to choose one 7000 CPU for 30 to 40% gaming and 60 to 70% productivity, which one would you choose? @Raiderman Same question to you but I know you have the 7950X, which I am thinking might be the direction I am heading. If you had to do it all over again, would you get an X3D chip or stick with the standard chips?

[Talon]

 

Sort of a blast from the past. 2010 markings on the brand new factory sealed box. Bought off eBay, been looking for awhile and someone over at OC.net linked some. Keeps my dual rank 64gb kit in check. Max temps 45c after 10min Karhu test. This thing moves some serious air, 2 60mm fans. Unfortunately doesn't look like it would fit some Noctua upgrades. 

[Papusan]

Who in their right mind would pay 4070 prices for 4060@16GB cards from Asus? Is it something wrong with me, or is there some very very stupid people out there willing to pay Asus near or close to +600$ for a crippled low tier graphics card? More vram won't fix the castrated mem bus on the 4060 series cards. And the 4070 is well overpriced as it is.

 

ASUS’s ROG STRIX Variant of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB GPU Costs Over $600 US, More Expensive Than 4070

 

And I would be crazy if I throw out 890$ + shipping on a new Cpu that will be replaced by 14900K within 4 months. Will see how long it will stay on OC.net - May 9, 2023 (Edited Jun 27, 2023)

 

[EU] i9-13900KS SP 111 overall, 120 PCore / 93 ECore, delidded, lapped, Z790 Apex optional €810 EUR (890$) + shipping.

 

[Rage Set]

25 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Who in their right mind would pay 4070 prices for 4060@16GB cards from Asus? Is it something wrong with me, or is there some very very stupid people out there willing to pay Asus near or close to +600$ for a crippled low tier graphics card? More vram won't fix the castrated mem bus on the 4060 series cards. 

 

ASUS’s ROG STRIX Variant of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB GPU Costs Over $600 US, More Expensive Than 4070

 

 

You're not planning on buying one, bro? 😂 At least you will get some kind of resell value out of it. lol

[Papusan]

5 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

You're not planning on buying one, bro? 😂 At least you will get some kind of resell value out of it. lol

Nope. Not me. Me if I bought one.....