*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[ryan]

yeah its frustrating looking for what you want, not finding it then having to buy their worthless crap. thats how I feel about the big picture, my laptop should have better cooling and why not make it .3-.5 in thicker for fans/pipes.

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, ryan said:

yeah its frustrating looking for what you want, not finding it then having to buy their worthless crap. thats how I feel about the big picture, my laptop should have better cooling and why not make it .3-.5 in thicker for fans/pipes.

And, you know what is REALLY stupid about that is the fact there are actually people that prefer having an overheating, throttling piece of garbage that is a tiny bit thinner and a few ounces less weight. As long as there are people that think that way and laptop manufacturers cater to cuckoo-nuts that do, laptops are universally predestined to be a broken piece of trash before they reach the end of the assembly line. We have idiots like that to thank, and the retarded people that manufacture trash, for the degradation of all mobile computing options available for purchase. There is not one single laptop available now that I would be excited about purchasing or enthusiastic even if I were receiving it as a free gift. 

[Papusan]

More works has to be done…. But no more time for this right now. The 8th Win Os is installed for the big black box 🙂

 

https://ibb.co/gzJ7sxB

 

[jaybee83]

48 minutes ago, Papusan said:

More works has to be done…. But no more time for this right now. The 8th Win Os is installed for the big black box 🙂

 

https://ibb.co/gzJ7sxB

 

1.4 GB RAM usage, waaay too much. sub 1 GB or go home 😛 😄 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

1.4 GB RAM usage, waaay too much. sub 1 GB or go home 😛 😄 

What is good enough for you? 900MB?😎 Or even lower? You know you risk lower performance if you reduce the mem footprint too far? What is it in English? Diminishing returns? 

 

What is the Law of Diminishing Returns?
In a production process, as a production factor increases, the amount of total output increases, but will reach an optimal output level before it begins to decrease or diminish

 

This OS will probably be a gaming OS. If I ever get the time for that, LOOL

 

 

 

 

Edit. Some really belive in Santa Claus😇

I think vertical mounting is the solution for melting issues

 

[ryan]

noice. your like a god @Papusan 40 processes thats ccrrrrrazzzy I have like 120 and 100000 handles. im using deboated windows 10 with chris titus tweaks in powershell....just shows the gap between veteran and rookie. But then again I always load up my favorite crapola, Im a gamer boy lol, i'm not heavy into gaming but once a day or so I dabble sometimes once a week it really varies. whats yours look like @jaybee83I saw Mr foxes hes in god mode also.

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, ryan said:

noice. your like a god @Papusan 40 processes thats ccrrrrrazzzy I have like 120 and 100000 handles. im using deboated windows 10 with chris titus tweaks in powershell....just shows the gap between veteran and rookie. But then again I always load up my favorite crapola, Im a gamer boy lol, i'm not heavy into gaming but once a day or so I dabble sometimes once a week it really varies. whats yours look like @jaybee83I saw Mr foxes hes in god mode also.

 

Here's a fast run with AS-SSD I did with the new Samsung 990 Pro 2TB drive.

 

Heres the review results of same Samsung 990 Pro.... https://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/nvme/samsung-990pro-gen-4-ssd-series-review-samsung-reigns-true-yet-again/3/

 

And here below is an review of Gen5 drive that was the so called worlds fastest PCIe-ssd. Fast in sequential speed but fail in the more important 4K random read/write and in the total score. So newer has to be better. Always 🙂

 

AS SSD BENCHMARK VER 2.0

The toughest benchmark available for solid state drives is AS SSD as it relies solely on incompressible data samples when testing performance. For the most part, AS SSD tests can be considered the ‘worst case scenario’ in obtaining data transfer speeds and many enthusiasts like AS SSD for their needs.…

https://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/corsair-mp700-pcie-5-0-2tb-nvme-ssd-review/3/

[ryan]

geesh, how do you feel about it>? shouldn't it be 7000plus

 

i would be pissed off. I have a 3500mbps drive that gets like 3580 and does well in all areas its a evo plus 2tb

 

bro thats barely usable, who has a second to wait to load a 5 gb file. man thats a rip off, i'd return it lol

 

 

honestly i dont notice a difference in daily usage going from my old drives 2000 to my new shiney 3k

[Papusan]

14 minutes ago, ryan said:

geesh, how do you feel about it>? shouldn't it be 7000plus

 

i would be pissed off. I have a 3500mbps drive that gets like 3580 and does well in all areas its a evo plus 2tb

 

bro thats barely usable, who has a second to wait to load a 5 gb file. man thats a rip off, i'd return it lol

 

 

honestly i dont notice a difference in daily usage going from my old drives 2000 to my new shiney 3k

Depends on the type benchmarks you run. Usually you get max speed etc in Crystal Diskmark and similar ssd benchmarks. 
 

And as I have already pointed out… Sequential read/write isn’t what you should measure as the important speed. You don’t move huge files the whole day or 24/7/365.
 

As for the 5gen ssd above you should see Sequential Reads/Writes: 12,400 MBps / 11,800 MB/s. But you get well under 10.000 MBps in AS-SSD. Different benchmarks give different results. 

 

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, ryan said:

noice. your like a god @Papusan 40 processes thats ccrrrrrazzzy I have like 120 and 100000 handles. im using deboated windows 10 with chris titus tweaks in powershell....just shows the gap between veteran and rookie. But then again I always load up my favorite crapola, Im a gamer boy lol, i'm not heavy into gaming but once a day or so I dabble sometimes once a week it really varies. whats yours look like @jaybee83I saw Mr foxes hes in god mode also.

 

haha i cant check right now but id wager way off! with good reason though, i got several programs and processes automated at startup for my workflows 🙂 

[seanwee]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

And as I have already pointed out… Sequential read/write isn’t what you should measure as the important speed. You don’t move huge files the whole day or 24/7/365.
 

 

Agreed. I mainly look at the ssd's worst case speed, when it writes directly to the memory without dram or slc caching.

 

I'm not going to be bothered by the speed of the drive when it's empty. I just don't want it to be slow when it hits 80-90% capacity when the SLC cache is almost nonexistent.

 

I'll just keep getting whatever NON-QLC drive gives me the most TB/dollar. Top speed is just a nice bonus.

[cylix]

@jaybee83 check this out. Over  9000 mhz

We're gonna get those 10k ddr5 sooner as expected😅😅

https://videocardz.com/newz/overclocker-hits-ddr5-9058-memory-oc-on-amd-am5-platform-with-new-firmware

[Papusan]

 

8 hours ago, ryan said:

noice. your like a god @Papusan 40 processes thats ccrrrrrazzzy I have like 120 and 100000 handles. Im using deboated windows 10 with chris titus tweaks in powershell....just shows the gap between veteran and rookie

Could be worse🙂 How To Check RAM Usage in Windows tomshardware.com

 

 

@Mr. Fox  Maybe we are doing something wrong? Maybe the PCworld editor can help us to see the lights?😄

4 reasons why I switched from Nvidia to AMD

For years, my Nvidia graphics card has served me faithfully, but I am turning my back on Team Green – at least for now......

[Rage Set]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Could be worse🙂 How To Check RAM Usage in Windows tomshardware.com

 

 

@Mr. Fox  Maybe we are doing something wrong? Maybe the PCworld editor can help us to see the lights?😄

4 reasons why I switched from Nvidia to AMD

For years, my Nvidia graphics card has served me faithfully, but I am turning my back on Team Green – at least for now......

 

It's all clickbait at this point. For productivity, especially video editing, Nvidia is in the lead. On my "workstation", I am sticking with Nvidia for GPU and Windows. I will not let CUDA go until AMD has a GPU that can "translate" CUDA for proconsumer (I understand AMD is working on this tech currently). 

 

Gaming is a different story though. I game on my 6800 XT attached to my LG C2 all the time and I don't feel like I am missing anything. Some games I run at 4K while others, 1440P.

 

I am at a crossroads though. I want to upgrade this all AMD gaming rig. I am not sure if I am going to stay all AMD (AM5 and 7900 XTX) or go 14 Gen and Nvidia 4090 TI. I am still waiting to see when (not if) Nvidia is going to release the top Ada GPU.  At this rate, I may end up going all AMD again due to pricing. 

[Mr. Fox]

28 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

It's all clickbait at this point. For productivity, especially video editing, Nvidia is in the lead. On my "workstation", I am sticking with Nvidia for GPU and Windows. I will not let CUDA go until AMD has a GPU that can "translate" CUDA for proconsumer (I understand AMD is working on this tech currently). 

 

Gaming is a different story though. I game on my 6800 XT attached to my LG C2 all the time and I don't feel like I am missing anything. Some games I run at 4K while others, 1440P.

 

I am at a crossroads though. I want to upgrade this all AMD gaming rig. I am not sure if I am going to stay all AMD (AM5 and 7900 XTX) or go 14 Gen and Nvidia 4090 TI. I am still waiting to see when (not if) Nvidia is going to release the top Ada GPU.  At this rate, I may end up going all AMD again due to pricing. 

Pretty much everything in the tech industry is moving to the point that it boils down to "How much are you willing to put up with and at what price tipping point are you willing to tolerate that much crap?" I am having to re-evaluate a lot of things, including whether or not being a PC enthusiast is even a thing worth pursuing any more.  It is starting to feel like the term "PC enthusiast" is an oxymoron. At some point I could see PC ownership being reduced to the equivalent of owning a hammer or a set of screwdrivers. You use them when you need to drive a nail or a screw. The rest of the time they are in your toolbox. You don't think about them. You don't upgrade them. You don't show them to your friends, make YouTube videos about them, or feel a sense of accomplishment or pleasure from owning them. You might derive some level of satisfaction from what you use them to fix or create, but they are not an object of focus. If awesome doesn't matter any more, then the only questions that remain relate to purpose and adequacy. Can I make do with something from Harbor Freight, Walmart, maybe even the Dollar Store? Or, do I need to spend an absurd amount for a tool made by Snap-On that only gets used occasionally? Can I use a nail instead of a screw? If yes, then why do I need a screwdriver? A hammer is good enough. How many nails do I need to set? One or two? I think I can use that rock in my backyard for that. Why waste money on a hammer?

[electrosoft]

33 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

It's all clickbait at this point. For productivity, especially video editing, Nvidia is in the lead. On my "workstation", I am sticking with Nvidia for GPU and Windows. I will not let CUDA go until AMD has a GPU that can "translate" CUDA for proconsumer (I understand AMD is working on this tech currently). 

 

Gaming is a different story though. I game on my 6800 XT attached to my LG C2 all the time and I don't feel like I am missing anything. Some games I run at 4K while others, 1440P.

 

I am at a crossroads though. I want to upgrade this all AMD gaming rig. I am not sure if I am going to stay all AMD (AM5 and 7900 XTX) or go 14 Gen and Nvidia 4090 TI. I am still waiting to see when (not if) Nvidia is going to release the top Ada GPU.  At this rate, I may end up going all AMD again due to pricing. 

 

Spot on.

 

Especially for gaming: 6000 series was basically equal with Nvidia at 1080p, 1440p and competitive at 4k with RT off.

7900xtx is a price:performance monster compared to the 4090 especially with RT off for gaming.

 

AMD is still playing a game of catch up but they have made such magnificent inroads on the GPU and especially CPU front these last few generations.

 

I can't see abandoning AM5 for 14th gen this time around especially on a dead socket (albeit I don't think that matters much to us in this group).

 

I've contemplated (again) making my itx rig an all air cooled 7800X3D rig, picking up a 7900xtx and making my desktop Intel though (again) w/ Nvidia. Only thing is I would want to run a Taichi 7900xtx and that thing is a chonker.

 

 

[ryan]

1.5 hours ill officially have 64gb of ram and no idea what it will be good for. i searched a few places and it looks like only when you edit 8k-16k video is it of benefit. yeah i dont video edit...the only advantage ill have over my current arrangement is dual channel. scores in 3dmark should go up.

 

i might buy a jump drive or two and take the plunge into linux, getting tired of windows

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Pretty much everything in the tech industry is moving to the point that it boils down to "How much are you willing to put up with and at what price tipping point are you willing to tolerate that much crap?" I am having to re-evaluate a lot of things, including whether or not being a PC enthusiast is even a thing worth pursuing any more.  It is starting to feel like the term "PC enthusiast" is an oxymoron. At some point I could see PC ownership being reduced to the equivalent of owning a hammer or a set of screwdrivers. You use them when you need to drive a nail or a screw. The rest of the time they are in your toolbox. You don't think about them. You don't upgrade them. You don't show them to your friends, make YouTube videos about them, or feel a sense of accomplishment or pleasure from owning them. You might derive some level of satisfaction from what you use them to fix or create, but they are not an object of focus. If awesome doesn't matter any more, then the only questions that remain relate to purpose and adequacy. Can I make do with something from Harbor Freight, Walmart, maybe even the Dollar Store? Or, do I need to spend an absurd amount for a tool made by Snap-On that only gets used occasionally? Can I use a nail instead of a screw? If yes, then why do I need a screwdriver? A hammer is good enough. How many nails do I need to set? One or two? I think I can use that rock in my backyard for that. Why waste money on a hammer?

Do you need have to play with the latest and greatest all time to be a "PC enthusiast"? I fiddle a lot with older hardware so I have to be put in the category "average Joe"....

 

On 7/17/2023 at 2:53 AM, Papusan said:

I have the Zotac 980 Ti Amp. Extreme. A damn good card, but I have a Galax 980Ti HOF I'm keen get on the used market (found one here home). Not sure it will OC better than what I already have but I  like the HOF cards. And I'm a collector on older cards. $150 but I'm sure I can sell it back in the used market for the same or even more.

 

I got this one. One the way to Papusan's plaza 🙂

 

I really like the Samsung USB bars. Very good quality and for an ok'ish price here home. They have never failed me. They come in darker grey and silver and in solid metal body. Not the thin and flimsy metal/plastic as some USB thumbs are made of. Real metal body. They are so massive built that I think they easily can withstand being over run with a truck without any problems. 

 

 

[electrosoft]

Good stock, OC, OC + SAM comparison of 6950xt, 7900xt, 7900xtx

 

I like Ancient Gameplays channel. He's a good source of all things AMD.

 

 

[ryan]

interesting find, but I just installed my ram and checked out ghost recon breakpoint at 4k, and before with 40gb and 16gb configs it was a stuttering mess and unplayable, now I just ran the benchmark and my 1 percent lows must be around 50fps and an average of 70fps on ultimate textures and ultra preset. because now its buttery smooth no issues. before due to ram I was getting 2fps now with 64gb of ram its pushing the card and getting 14fps on ultimate settings at 4k.

 

0 sources on you tube recommend 64gb its always 32gb. well thats because almost no one really games at 4k ultra. if you have 32gb your missing out on performance, also I turned off my page file just so it doesn't spill over to my ssd not like im actually going to use 64gb. so yeah pretty suprised I honestly did not expect anything, maybe 1 or 2fps more but it was a night and day difference in the GRBP benchmark

[electrosoft]

Interesting GPU news update from Daniel on two fronts:

 

#1. Some preliminary AM5 testing faster DDR5 testing showing no gains 7400 1:2 vs 6200 1:1 (realistically 1:4 vs 1:2) but if it is close to break even at this point that potentially bodes well for faster speeds in the future unless IMC saturation at any ratio means no real gains so you're running memory faster to be running it faster unless the IMC can properly break free and scale in tandem (even if in fractional mode) like Intel does with their 12th+ platforms where 1:2 is consistent regardless of the frequency and truly pushes the IMC (AM5 seems to cap out much less than Intel for true IMC speed). I'm reserving judgement till we see some ~7800-8000 speeds tested properly (and in different scenarios)

 

#2. leaked comparisons of 13900k vs 14th and Arrow Lake showing minimal gains (and I do mean minimal) vs 14th but tangible gains with Arrow Lake.

 

#3. 4060ti 16GB is the hot steaming garbage we always knew it was for that price.

 

#4. 7800/7700 are shaping up to be better than expected

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

17 minutes ago, ryan said:

interesting find, but I just installed my ram and checked out ghost recon breakpoint at 4k, and before with 40gb and 16gb configs it was a stuttering mess and unplayable, now I just ran the benchmark and my 1 percent lows must be around 50fps and an average of 70fps on ultimate textures and ultra preset. because now its buttery smooth no issues. before due to ram I was getting 2fps now with 64gb of ram its pushing the card and getting 14fps on ultimate settings at 4k.

 

0 sources on you tube recommend 64gb its always 32gb. well thats because almost no one really games at 4k ultra. if you have 32gb your missing out on performance, also I turned off my page file just so it doesn't spill over to my ssd not like im actually going to use 64gb. so yeah pretty suprised I honestly did not expect anything, maybe 1 or 2fps more but it was a night and day difference in the GRBP benchmark

Try this. Run cmd as adm. 
bcdedit /set removememory 32768

 

To reset. Run cmd as adm...
bcdedit /deletevalue removememory

 

See if this make an difference with half the ram🙂 I expect you have 64GB ram.

[ryan]

yeah I havent tried 32gb...im sure they are similar but 64gb was free, otherwise I would have went for 32gb...just was not expecting this much of a jump going from 16gb to 64gb

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, ryan said:

yeah I havent tried 32gb...im sure they are similar but 64gb was free, otherwise I would have went for 32gb...just was not expecting this much of a jump going from 16gb to 64gb

@Papusanis suggesting limiting your memory capacity to 32GB to test the game to see if any different than 64GB. After test run the second command to make all 64GB available again.

[ryan]

i already tested 32gb 40gb 8gb and 16gb dual channel helps with micro stuttering and more ram 64gb helps with vram bottlenecks..or not..lol..i just booted the benchmark up and tested it, im not sure why its averaging 12fps more and buttery smooth but I don't really care as this is the best thing that could happen to this laptop aside from a fire pit