*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Time to retire the 3090KP! I work from home, and after 2.5 years averaging about 200 hours a month this thing has north of 6,000-7,000 hours run time on it easily 🤣

 

Im kinda amazed it hasn’t broken on me. Or maybe that’s not much usage at all. I’m not sure. 

I think grabbing a 4080 Super for $999 (if you can actually buy one for that) is a really good purchase. 

 

It does not surprise me that the 3090 Kingpin is still kicking. Probably the most bulletproof card one could have purchased.

  

26 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I despise all this RGB harvestware. Razer sent me a pair of their Nommo V2 Pro speakers to review and while I think they're good, that Synapse is bloaty on an Asus level. I ended up just giving my system a clean install and opt to run them without it which means I can't control the RGB and OpenRGB doesn't support them yet so they are stuck in rainbow pattern.

 

Any RGB product should come by default set to OFF.

 

Of course how could they entice (compel?) you to install their software if you don't want it except by having everything default to rainbow cycle.....ugh.

 

$450 speakers and they can't even retain their settings?

It is getting to the point of being so stupid that I think even people that love rainbow puke are starting to get a gut full on the idiocy. I agree with your comments. The default should be OFF. If they can't do that, then it should be white LED. And, having the ability to save the settings and have them persist without RGB software running (even after uninstalling) should be mandatory. The settings should be saved to the DEVICE, not system NVRAM.

[tps3443]

40 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Depends on the load, but basically those cards are made to withstand a lot. One year of 24x7 is 8760h, those consumer cards can take many years of full load without breaking a sweat. Would not worry about it from the reliability perspective. The 4080S would indeed be a bit of an upgrade (ca. +20% since your 3090 performs like a 3090 Ti), unless something is memory-bound in which case there would be a 25% hit.

So, with my daily profile I get 6,600 in 3DMark Speedway. So, it’s about 10% slower (In this test at least) than a stock 4080FE. But, since the 4080 has Frame Gen that is a technology I just can’t possibly keep up with. Not to mention the 4080 can be squeezed some as well, and the 4080 Super being a little faster on top of that, and cheaper, then there is less power usage etc. I think it would be good enough improvement.

 

I play games in 4K so I’m hoping it will at least compete with what I have (I’m sure It will), and offer some massive boosts with the frame gen tech. 😁

 

 

[electrosoft]

14 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

So, with my daily profile I get 6,600 in 3DMark Speedway. So, it’s about 10% slower (In this test at least) than a stock 4080FE. But, since the 4080 has Frame Gen that is a technology I just can’t possibly keep up with. Not to mention the 4080 can be squeezed some as well, and the 4080 Super being a little faster on top of that, and cheaper, then there is less power usage etc. I think it would be good enough improvement.

 

I play games in 4K so I’m hoping it will at least compete with what I have (I’m sure It will), and offer some massive boosts with the frame gen tech. 😁

 

 

 

I mean it's a nice boost plus you have to realize you're going to OC the 4080 so always better to stick with stock vs stock for chart comparisons. So you're really looking at 5631 vs 7220 (which will be a touch more with the Super) and go from there.

 

Worst thing you can do is try to compare your custom OC/tweaked hardware scores with reviewers/site comparisons.

 

If you're playing 4k, only thing is the smaller memory bus might give you a slight hit. 1440p it wouldn't be much at all.

 

And if you're in to FG, that is definitely going to boost the love of the 4080 Super for you.

 

 

[Etern4l]

31 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

So, with my daily profile I get 6,600 in 3DMark Speedway. So, it’s about 10% slower (In this test at least) than a stock 4080FE. But, since the 4080 has Frame Gen that is a technology I just can’t possibly keep up with. Not to mention the 4080 can be squeezed some as well, and the 4080 Super being a little faster on top of that, and cheaper, then there is less power usage etc. I think it would be good enough improvement.

 

I play games in 4K so I’m hoping it will at least compete with what I have (I’m sure It will), and offer some massive boosts with the frame gen tech. 😁

 

 

Sorry, forgot to mention you will be taking an 8GB VRAM haircut. I would not bother unless I had a specific need for this (i.e. a particularly annoying framerate issue that’s not satisfactorily resolved via a settings adjustment). Would not worry about synthetic benchmarks at all. Plus, big bonus citizenship points for not giving Huang/NGreedia any money unless absolutely necessary. I realise this is easier said that done, it’s a test that can take substantial willpower, but it does feel really good if you pull through. Kind of like resisting getting ripped off on microtransactions in your favourite EA game.

[Rage Set]

I have a lot of hours of testing ahead of me. Plus I am building a new "set", initially for photos but likely for my talking head vids. @Mr. Fox How much far were you able to push the 12900KS in terms of memory speed?

Anyone got any opinions on a good chair? None of those gamer-racer chairs. Something like Herman Miller but not the same cost. (My apologies to @Reciever I don't want to take this thread completely off topic). 

[Mr. Fox]

33 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

I have a lot of hours of testing ahead of me. Plus I am building a new "set", initially for photos but likely for my talking head vids. @Mr. Fox How much far were you able to push the 12900KS in terms of memory speed?

6800 with the Unify-X, but that was early in the life of DDR5 using M-die. I'm sure it could do better with better quality memory available now. A-die did not even exist back then (mid-2022) and everything has changed for the better in terms of firmware and memory IC quality.

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It's getting closer! I'm looking forward to seeing how the Arc B980 works out.

 

[Papusan]

39 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

I have a lot of hours of testing ahead of me. Plus I am building a new "set", initially for photos but likely for my talking head vids. @Mr. Fox How much far were you able to push the 12900KS in terms of memory speed?

 

Probably depends on the board you have. I guess 7200 with A-die should be easly doable with 12900KS with a ok board. 

[Rage Set]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

6800 with the Unify-X, but that was early in the life of DDR5 using M-die. I'm sure it could do better with better quality memory available now. A-die did not even exist back then (mid-2022) and everything has changed for the better in terms of firmware and memory IC quality.

 

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Probably depends on the board you have. I guess 7200 with A-die should be easly doable with 12900KS with a ok board. 

 

I am not trying to get the highest OC. Looking for a good average that the common PC user would buy and install with XMP. I'll start with 6500 and go from there. 

 

Thank you guys!

[Mr. Fox]

LOL... so stupid, but actually worked better than I expected with the water in the can. As cool as a gaming turdbook TBH.

 

 

[tps3443]

@Mr. Fox You ended up selling those unicorn rams? 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

@Mr. Fox You ended up selling those unicorn rams? 

Yes if you mean the generic 16GB A-die. Sold with the CPU and mobo package.

[Papusan]

On 1/7/2024 at 1:17 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Windoze is becoming such a dumpster fire that we probably need to be more worried about that than what comes next on the hardware chocolate choo-choo train

 

The future is closer than you think.....

 

 

 

Why not just ban AD102 from being used in China and their likewise countries that cooperate with them? But Nvidia have probably loads of AD103 chips meant for gamers they could use. Just make new SKUs of 4080 Super but with +20GB vram to fit their needs. Gamers don't need the higher end SKUs if Nvidia continue improve with fake frames features. 

 

Nvidia's RTX 4090D 'China GPU' only 5% slower than RTX 4090

The end result of the sanctions that banned the RTX 4090 really don't seem to have done much. To be sure, the RTX 4090D is a slower GPU, but it's hard to see how a few percentage points here or there will make much of a difference. The U.S. government might even be coming around to this point of view, as it eases up on increasing the strictness of its GPU export regulations.

Single Chinese factory reportedly repurposed over 4,000 Nvidia RTXs

With sanctions subsequently tightened further to cover gaming GPUs like the GeForce RTX 4090, Chinese factories have already started to buy batches of the new GeForce RTX 4090D. According to the FT report, the Chinese factory managers are evaluating the RTX 4090D for component performance and harvesting.

 

I'm sure they are able to grab some vanilla 4090's as well. So the 4090 shortage will continue forwards.

[Mr. Fox]

51 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The U.S. government might even be coming around to this point of view, as it eases up on increasing the strictness of its GPU export regulations.

They probably extorted the kickback (hush money) they were looking for, maybe arranged a sizable anonymous campaign donation, so maybe NVIDIA can do whatever they feel like now. Even if it is not legal, they won't be bothered with compliance. 

[tps3443]

On 1/11/2024 at 2:27 PM, electrosoft said:

 

I mean it's a nice boost plus you have to realize you're going to OC the 4080 so always better to stick with stock vs stock for chart comparisons. So you're really looking at 5631 vs 7220 (which will be a touch more with the Super) and go from there.

 

Worst thing you can do is try to compare your custom OC/tweaked hardware scores with reviewers/site comparisons.

 

If you're playing 4k, only thing is the smaller memory bus might give you a slight hit. 1440p it wouldn't be much at all.

 

And if you're in to FG, that is definitely going to boost the love of the 4080 Super for you.

 

 

I think it would offer a nice boost! First thing I’d do would be install water block, and flash the extreme 480 watt bios or whatever high power 500+ watt bios is available for the 4080 Super, next would be to overclock the new Super’s ram and core as far as it can go. 
 

I think 12-15% minimum can be pulled from one of these new GPU’s pretty easily. 
 

So in rasterization the 4080 Super will probably be 22-25% more powerful at least. And then with frame gen it’s gonna be about 45% faster I think.

 

Not 4090 levels or even close, but definitely perfect for an Intel 14th gen.  I don’t think I need full fledge 4090 power. I just want my own performance and frame gen really lol. 
 

I am excited for the Intel B980 too! That would be cool to have a Intel/Intel build 😂

[jaybee83]

On 1/11/2024 at 10:24 PM, Rage Set said:

I have a lot of hours of testing ahead of me. Plus I am building a new "set", initially for photos but likely for my talking head vids. @Mr. Fox How much far were you able to push the 12900KS in terms of memory speed?

Anyone got any opinions on a good chair? None of those gamer-racer chairs. Something like Herman Miller but not the same cost. (My apologies to @Reciever I don't want to take this thread completely off topic). 

 

good question on the chair, im actually looking into the same direction 🙂 

[Mr. Fox]

44 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

good question on the chair, im actually looking into the same direction 🙂 

I know @Rage Setsaid no "gaming/racer" chairs so I did not respond to that. But, after thinking about it, if they have not discontinued them DXRacer has a very large and super comfortable office chair that is not like the gamer chairs. I have one that I purchased in 2015 or 2016. It is built like a tank and has held up well. It is designed to support weight up to 300 pounds. I was only getting a year or less use from office chairs before I bought this one. The offerings at places like OfficeMax and Costco are generally garbage.

 

Looking at their web site, the exact model I own is no longer made. Looks like this is their new "biggest and best" chair.

 

https://www.dxracer.com/products/gaming-chairs/craft?sku=GC/XLCF23LTA/N

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

good question on the chair, im actually looking into the same direction 🙂 

 

Same here. I really hate the gaming chairs. I have looked into different shops here home, but mostly everything they sell (the one you can try) is awful and for gamers. Maybe @Recievercould make a thread and move the replies over there.

 

This one below is an older post from me last year. I still haven't found something I like. 

 

On 7/23/2023 at 3:43 AM, Papusan said:

Edit. Mounted together the new benchtable. Big enough space to fit two 2 monitors. So far so good. I have an fancy all black gaming chair but I hate it. Awful to sit in so I have put it away. I need to see if I find a new one. But it won't be a new gaming chair. Just a regular office chair who is good to sit in. Yep, I rather sit in the old black kitchen chair for now than go back to the new and modern for gaming kids, LOOL

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Same here. I really hate the gaming chairs. I have looked into different shops here home, but mostly everything they sell (the one you can try) is awful and for gamers. Maybe @Recievercould make a thread and move the replies over there.

 

This one below is an older post from me last year. I still haven't found something I like. 

 

That's why I like the chair I have so much. It is very big and roomy, and comfortable. I sit in it about 10 to 12 hours a day without feeling it. In the other kind of office chairs, including the gaming chairs, I would feel like somebody had beat me up. It is like sitting in a car seat, not an office chair. The only problem with this is that it's so comfortable it is too easy to fall asleep.

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[tps3443]

I swear this thing gets faster and faster as time goes on with driver optimization alone. My current windows is a sludge fest! 

My 14900KF is totally stock. Besides an extreme ram OC. 

[ryan]

how does your beast 3090 compare to a 4080? average is 24662 for a desktop 4080. I wonder if your 3090 fairs better in games vs benchmarks. your 8ghz ram surely is helping.

[electrosoft]

DDR5 6000 vs 8000 on AM5.

 

This is a good overall comparison and follows what I said last year when the new Agesa update enabled 8000 support: due to the architecture limits of AM5 chips, gains would be minimal if at all and are a step behind Intel at this point. But this will be great for future CPUs released on the same socket that can hopefully take more advantage.

 

 

[ryan]

I brought it up because im peaking at 9500 with my 3060 and 3200 ddr4. all of the scores above 9500 are ddr5 or faster ddr4 so it makes a difference to an extent on older laptops but for desktops after watching that helpful video it seems to be around 0.9 percent difference in general. not that impressive. I think its great having state of the art components but microsoft needs to make their OS more friendly to new hardware and more scalable, or is this a hardware thing>?

 

also perfect temps for overclocking. -41c right now, colder by -11c than antarctica concordia station.

 

this is kinda scary, like if the power went or the pipes froze. we have the genius water heated apts. I think iv'e only ever felt -42c once in my life and it cuts through clothes even layers fast. I would open the door for 5 seconds but it would take hours to reheat the apt.

[saturnotaku]

On 1/11/2024 at 3:24 PM, Rage Set said:

Anyone got any opinions on a good chair? None of those gamer-racer chairs. Something like Herman Miller but not the same cost. (My apologies to @Reciever I don't want to take this thread completely off topic). 

 

I had the same dilemma a while ago. I like gaming chairs but none of the ones I demoed at my local big box stores were comfortable. I ended up purchasing a Serta-branded one from Office Depot. I don't remember the exact model and tossed the box, but I would definitely recommend it. When on sale, they're not stupidly expensive. I want to say the one I got was well under $300.

[tps3443]

11 hours ago, ryan said:

how does your beast 3090 compare to a 4080? average is 24662 for a desktop 4080. I wonder if your 3090 fairs better in games vs benchmarks. your 8ghz ram surely is helping.

Thats because this is one of the last GPU’s that are not limited by power or voltages. It has full voltage control over the gpu, ram, and other rails like even the LLC. 
 

All of these benchmarks I ran last night are going to be the #1/100 scores for a 14900K/3090 combo or even #1/100 scores compared to a 14900K/3090Ti combos. So you’d want to compare that to #1/100 or at least #2/100 scores with a 14900K/4080 combo as well. Just for equal measurement of the 4080 gains then you will see a larger performance gap. 

Last but not least, I would not upgrade to a 4080, but a 4080 Super which is only $999 and a little faster. 😁 this makes it a much more reasonable transition. 
 

 

[jaybee83]

17 hours ago, electrosoft said:

DDR5 6000 vs 8000 on AM5.

 

This is a good overall comparison and follows what I said last year when the new Agesa update enabled 8000 support: due to the architecture limits of AM5 chips, gains would be minimal if at all and are a step behind Intel at this point. But this will be great for future CPUs released on the same socket that can hopefully take more advantage.

 

 

 

this comparison would be way more interesting for non X3D AM5 chips. the v-cache enabled ones are capable to buffer any shortcomings in ram speed for quite a while. im pretty damn sure non-X3D skus benefit more from increased ram speed 🙂 although yes, vs. intel its still not as significant. looking forward to zen 5! 😁