*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[aldarxt]

53 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I meant that first line with a little bit of tongue in cheek aka sarcasm. 🙂

 

I guess we have to take it all with a little bit of tongue in cheek

[ryan]

Any news on 5x90? I saw a feed saying 30-40 percent bump at best. last time they mentioned the 4090 they were within the margin of error. I really hope we see a pascal like bump in performance, it would be perfect for 4k gaming and I guess if you edit videos 8k might be doable.

 

[Reciever]

Steer the topic back towards desktops fellas or join the banter in the AI thread.

[jaybee83]

8 hours ago, ryan said:

Any news on 5x90? I saw a feed saying 30-40 percent bump at best. last time they mentioned the 4090 they were within the margin of error. I really hope we see a pascal like bump in performance, it would be perfect for 4k gaming and I guess if you edit videos 8k might be doable.

 

 

i mean, on average u can always expect around 50-70%, its actually pretty consistent between flagships of any given gpu gen 🙂 shouldnt be much difference for 50 series either. anything below the flagship though is subject to much larger variability!

[Etern4l]

45 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

i mean, on average u can always expect around 50-70%, its actually pretty consistent between flagships of any given gpu gen 🙂 shouldnt be much difference for 50 series either. anything below the flagship though is subject to much larger variability!

Any technological breakthroughs that would yield that much improvement?

How much larger can the NVidia flagship card get?

Will NVidia prioritise gamers (20% of the business now?) or Jensen’s beloved AI?

[Papusan]

15 hours ago, Reciever said:

Steer the topic back towards desktops fellas or join the banter in the AI thread.

 

Not so sure about that bro Reciever😀 Here is more. From the 4070 Super review below... Nvidia RTX 4070 Super AI Performance.  

 

AI is and will be a big part of the HW we use in desktops. And will count more and more forwards. Everything in desktop HW will be AI powered. From Hw to software and OS. Even the desktop bios offer AI tuning for performance gains. Will you move all topics of desktop hardware over on the AI thread now?😬 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Super review: Boosted clocks and core counts for the same $599 as the vanilla 4070 tomshardware.com

 

Nvidia should have given the 4070 Super higher TGP and better cooling.... 

 

Its 220W TGP may be higher than before, but it's way off the 285W TGP of the RTX 4070 Ti and its new Super replacement, and that's one of the big reasons why the RTX 4070 Super is unable to hit the same frequency heights as its older sibling. But I expect Nvidia cater to the SFX builds with castrated TGP that can match worse and slimmer coolers.

 

If this refreshed card was offered for $549 MSRP it would be a very decent buy for the gamers. 

 

The Asus 4070 Super Strix OC cost $1,001 USD here home. Yup that's +$1000 for xx70 graphics cards with 12GB vram. Super refresh or not doesn't really matter. It should have replaced the 4070 anyway but Nvidia prefered to continue with the card to try steal some gamers from AMD. 

[Reciever]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Not so sure about that bro Reciever😀 Here is more. From the 4070 Super review below... Nvidia RTX 4070 Super AI Performance.  

 

AI is and will be a big part of the HW we use in desktops. And will count more and more forwards. Everything in desktop HW will be AI powered. From Hw to software and OS. Even the desktop bios offer AI tuning for performance gains. Will you move all topics of desktop hardware over on the AI thread now?😬 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Super review: Boosted clocks and core counts for the same $599 as the vanilla 4070 tomshardware.com

 

Nvidia should have given the 4070 Super higher TGP and better cooling.... 

 

Its 220W TGP may be higher than before, but it's way off the 285W TGP of the RTX 4070 Ti and its new Super replacement, and that's one of the big reasons why the RTX 4070 Super is unable to hit the same frequency heights as its older sibling. But I expect Nvidia cater to the SFX builds with castrated TGP that can match worse and slimmer coolers.

 

If this refreshed card was offered for $549 MSRP it would be a very decent buy for the gamers. 

 

The Asus 4070 Super Strix OC cost $1,001 USD here home. Yup that's +$1000 for xx70 graphics cards with 12GB vram. Super refresh or not doesn't really matter. It should have replaced the 4070 anyway but Nvidia prefered to continue with the card to try steal some gamers from AMD. 

Thats appropriate, the banter of China / US tariff's / ban revolving around AI is not.

[electrosoft]

Anybody check their memory on their 4090s with this command? nvidia-smi -q -d row_remapper

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-4090-owners-club.1800847/post-29286667

 

Looking at all those logged errors from OCs and temp settings and he's trying to reset it for HWBOT.

 

His:

 

 

Mine:

 

 

[Etern4l]

22 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Anybody check their memory on their 4090s with this command? nvidia-smi -q -d row_remapper

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-4090-owners-club.1800847/post-29286667

 

Looking at all those logged errors from OCs and temp settings and he's trying to reset it for HWBOT.

 

His:

 

 

Mine:

 

 

Interesting, wasn’t aware of this, same output on my 3090ti. Guess that feature might only apply when ECC is enabled (in which case NVCP shows most of that as well, at least on Linux). Regardless of whether this requires ECC or not, it indicates permanent memory damage, and the remapping will persist for the lifetime of the GPU according to NVidia.

 

Edit: reading further, it seems that once the driver identifies a region of memory as faulty, it’s marked as unusable and remapped such that it will never be used again. Pretty sure this requires ECC to be enabled. OCers’ dream!

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Anybody check their memory on their 4090s with this command? nvidia-smi -q -d row_remapper

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-4090-owners-club.1800847/post-29286667

 

Looking at all those logged errors from OCs and temp settings and he's trying to reset it for HWBOT.

 

His:

 

 

Mine:

 

 

 

Very useful if you buy used cards. You never know what you buy on the used market.

 

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Interesting, wasn’t aware of this, same output on my 3090ti. Guess that feature might only apply when ECC is enabled (in which case NVCP shows most of that as well, at least on Linux). Regardless of whether this requires ECC or not, it indicates permanent memory damage, and the remapping will persist for the lifetime of the GPU according to NVidia.

 

Edit: reading further, it seems that once the driver identifies a region of memory as faulty, it’s marked as unusable and remapped such that it will never be used again. Pretty sure this requires ECC to be enabled. OCers’ dream!

 

Nice. Hwbot force you to destroy your graphics cards if you want points for the leaderboard (ECC Enabled). And this only apply to the so called "cheap" 4090's. It's correctly being called... Pay to play😀 Maybe reduce your memory overclock  but that bring slightly less points. Remember you have paid for your hardware bro @Mr. Fox. Not all can be the "choosen one" that get free binned HW (also before launch day) if something happens. And they don't need have to wait weeks for RMA process or get replacement cards. Often you as the paying consumer get "half broken" used cards back from RMA for your shiny card in perfect condition. Only if you aren't one of the selected. They are doubled covered up.

[Etern4l]

21 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Nice. Hwbot force you to destroy your graphics cards if you want points for the leaderboard (ECC Enabled). And this only apply to the so called "cheap" 4090's. Its called... Pay to play😀 Maybe reduce your memory overclock  but that bring less points. Remember you have paid for your hardware bro @Mr. Fox. Not all can be the "choosen one" that get free binned HW (before launch day) if something happens. And they don't need have to wait weeks for RMA process or get replacement cards. Often you get "half broken" used cards back from RMA for your shiny card in perfect condition.

 

Yeah, there should be a setting to disable this permanent remapping behaviour especially in an enthusiast product. I wonder if NVidia or partners would honour an RMA based on memory OC triggering fake permanent loss of VRAM. Perhaps VBIOS reflashing can reset the remapping...

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

Yeah, there should be a setting to disable this permanent remapping behaviour especially in an enthusiast product. I wonder if NVidia or partners would honour an RMA based on memory OC triggering fake permanent loss of VRAM. Perhaps VBIOS reflashing can reset the remapping...

Hope so. As for enhusiasts products....

 

The more you look at Nvidia's two latest gen Geforce flagship... The more you see that this cards is meant for something different than gaming. Features like the "fake" ECC memory feature is for AI and as workstation usage. Not for Gaming. And that's smart done of Nvidia... Bigger chance that the cards will be sold well above MSRP. 

 

We have now desktop processors that's in short is Hybrid mobile laptop processors. Now we will see laptop memory sticks go into desktops.... That's a lot love for desktop PC's @Mr. Fox

 

More compact and powerful CAMM memory modules are coming to desktop PCs

 

https://www.igorslab.de/kompaktere-und-leistungsstaerkere-camm-speichermodule-kommen-in-desktop-pcs/

 

DDR5 and LPDDR5/5X CAMM2s cater to distinct use cases. DDR5 CAMM2s are intended for performance notebooks and mainstream desktops, while LPDDR5/5X CAMM2s target a broader range of notebooks and certain server market segments.

 

The introduction of CAMM memory modules with DDR5 and future DRAM will represent a massive change in motherboard design. Current mainstream motherboards have 2 or 4 DIMM slots that can accommodate up to 256GB with the latest 64GB modules. To support CAMM, the entire PC motherboard ecosystem will need to be redesigned...

 

Btw. Hmmm, Is there mostly female gamers in the Asia region? Or have the Asia'n gamer boys the same taste? Hmmm

 

YESTON introduces Sakura RTX 40 SUPER SUGAR cards with white PCBs...

[D2ultima]

On 1/12/2024 at 6:45 PM, jaybee83 said:

 

good question on the chair, im actually looking into the same direction 🙂 

 

On 1/11/2024 at 5:24 PM, Rage Set said:

Anyone got any opinions on a good chair? None of those gamer-racer chairs. Something like Herman Miller but not the same cost. (My apologies to @Reciever I don't want to take this thread completely off topic). 

Not sure if this is relevant enough but it may help 

 

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Hope so. As for enhusiasts products....

 

The more you look at Nvidia's two latest gen Geforce flagship... The more you see that this cards is meant for something different than gaming. Features like the "fake" ECC memory feature is for AI and as workstation usage. Not for Gaming. And that's smart done of Nvidia... Bigger chance that the cards will be sold well above MSRP. 

 

We have now desktop processors that's in short is Hybrid mobile laptop processors. Now we will see laptop memory sticks go into desktops.... That's a lot love for desktop PC's @Mr. Fox

 

More compact and powerful CAMM memory modules are coming to desktop PCs

 

https://www.igorslab.de/kompaktere-und-leistungsstaerkere-camm-speichermodule-kommen-in-desktop-pcs/

 

DDR5 and LPDDR5/5X CAMM2s cater to distinct use cases. DDR5 CAMM2s are intended for performance notebooks and mainstream desktops, while LPDDR5/5X CAMM2s target a broader range of notebooks and certain server market segments.

 

The introduction of CAMM memory modules with DDR5 and future DRAM will represent a massive change in motherboard design. Current mainstream motherboards have 2 or 4 DIMM slots that can accommodate up to 256GB with the latest 64GB modules. To support CAMM, the entire PC motherboard ecosystem will need to be redesigned...

 

Btw. Hmmm, Is there mostly female gamers in the Asia region? Or have the Asia'n gamer boys the same taste? Hmmm

 

YESTON introduces Sakura RTX 40 SUPER SUGAR cards with white PCBs...

 

If its a solid product I dont really care what it looks like nor does anyone I know either since I the amount of time I look at my PC is basically less than 10 minutes a week? I spent the last few days rebuilding my slapstick server "rack", thought its more like a server stack technically speaking.

[Tenoroon]

Took my Ranger outside and I can't get this damn thing to use over 75 watts. I've adjusted all the power limits and stuff in the BIOS, and it just straight up refuses to go over 75. I can enter a high clock but as soon as I run a benchmarks the clocks plummet. 

I'm going to reinstall windows for the billionth time to see if that fixes it as XTU and TS seem to wreak havoc on everything. I hope it's some problem with a driver or something as the thing has no internet connection and when I took out the 4710mq I just put in the 4930mx without doing anything. 

I know this question is a shot in the dark as all of you haven't used one of these laptops in a while, but have any of you previous Ranger owners had a problem similar to this?

[D2ultima]

57 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

Took my Ranger outside and I can't get this damn thing to use over 75 watts. I've adjusted all the power limits and stuff in the BIOS, and it just straight up refuses to go over 75. I can enter a high clock but as soon as I run a benchmarks the clocks plummet. 

I'm going to reinstall windows for the billionth time to see if that fixes it as XTU and TS seem to wreak havoc on everything. I hope it's some problem with a driver or something as the thing has no internet connection and when I took out the 4710mq I just put in the 4930mx without doing anything. 

I know this question is a shot in the dark as all of you haven't used one of these laptops in a while, but have any of you previous Ranger owners had a problem similar to this?

Have you set current limit to the highest as well? I believe in throttlestop for your unit it's ICCmax but I haven't touched one of those systems since 2017. Your power limit might be as high as can be but you may be limited on current limit draw, I noticed that was preventing me from clocking as high and drawing over a certain amount of power when I was checking linpack out

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

We have now desktop processors that's in short is Hybrid mobile laptop processors. Now we will see laptop memory sticks go into desktops.... That's a lot love for desktop PC's 

 

More compact and powerful CAMM memory modules are coming to desktop PCs

 

https://www.igorslab.de/kompaktere-und-leistungsstaerkere-camm-speichermodule-kommen-in-desktop-pcs/

 

DDR5 and LPDDR5/5X CAMM2s cater to distinct use cases. DDR5 CAMM2s are intended for performance notebooks and mainstream desktops, while LPDDR5/5X CAMM2s target a broader range of notebooks and certain server market segments.

 

The introduction of CAMM memory modules with DDR5 and future DRAM will represent a massive change in motherboard design. Current mainstream motherboards have 2 or 4 DIMM slots that can accommodate up to 256GB with the latest 64GB modules. To support CAMM, the entire PC motherboard ecosystem will need to be redesigned...

 

Btw. Hmmm, Is there mostly female gamers in the Asia region? Or have the Asia'n gamer boys the same taste? Hmmm

 

YESTON introduces Sakura RTX 40 SUPER SUGAR cards with white PCBs...

Lovely. Another pointless change in form factor. Just what we needed. Repulsive and disgusting rubbish. What in the world is wrong with these people? 

[tps3443]

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

Hope so. As for enhusiasts products....

 

The more you look at Nvidia's two latest gen Geforce flagship... The more you see that this cards is meant for something different than gaming. Features like the "fake" ECC memory feature is for AI and as workstation usage. Not for Gaming. And that's smart done of Nvidia... Bigger chance that the cards will be sold well above MSRP. 

 

We have now desktop processors that's in short is Hybrid mobile laptop processors. Now we will see laptop memory sticks go into desktops.... That's a lot love for desktop PC's @Mr. Fox

 

More compact and powerful CAMM memory modules are coming to desktop PCs

 

https://www.igorslab.de/kompaktere-und-leistungsstaerkere-camm-speichermodule-kommen-in-desktop-pcs/

 

DDR5 and LPDDR5/5X CAMM2s cater to distinct use cases. DDR5 CAMM2s are intended for performance notebooks and mainstream desktops, while LPDDR5/5X CAMM2s target a broader range of notebooks and certain server market segments.

 

The introduction of CAMM memory modules with DDR5 and future DRAM will represent a massive change in motherboard design. Current mainstream motherboards have 2 or 4 DIMM slots that can accommodate up to 256GB with the latest 64GB modules. To support CAMM, the entire PC motherboard ecosystem will need to be redesigned...

 

Btw. Hmmm, Is there mostly female gamers in the Asia region? Or have the Asia'n gamer boys the same taste? Hmmm

 

YESTON introduces Sakura RTX 40 SUPER SUGAR cards with white PCBs...

Hey I would totally rock one of those Yeston 4080 Soops. 🤣

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Hey I would totally rock one of those Yeston 4080 Soops. 🤣

 

Yup I as well. If I have it for free. The ugly colors can be fixed🙂

 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5455859_papusan_gpupi___32b_geforce_rtx_4090_1min_1sec_969ms

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5456152_papusan_3dmark11___performance_geforce_rtx_4090_81879_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5455847_papusan_gpupi___1b_geforce_rtx_4090_1sec_70ms

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5455855_papusan_3dmark___time_spy_geforce_rtx_4090_39158_marks

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Lovely. Another pointless change in form factor. Just what we needed. Repulsive and disgusting rubbish. What in the world is wrong with these people? 

 

They know exactly what the modern PC users want.... And more of the same will come🤮 Remember we live in modern times now....... 

 

New Mini-PCs with Ryzen 7 7840HS and Core Ultra 9 185H now come built-in touch screens

 

 

The mini-PC sector has seen a significant growth in recent times, thanks to the progress made by AMD and Intel in introducing power-efficient CPU designs. Users now have a plethora of options, ranging from ultra-compact designs to those with discrete graphics. Two companies, AYANEO and Minisforum, are taking different approaches with their systems.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

They know exactly what the modern PC users want.... And more of the same will come🤮 Remember we live in modern times now....... 

[jaybee83]

23 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Any technological breakthroughs that would yield that much improvement?

How much larger can the NVidia flagship card get?

Will NVidia prioritise gamers (20% of the business now?) or Jensen’s beloved AI?

 

"that much" sounds like its never been done before or would be unusual in the range of 50-70%, "that much" would rather be appropriate for 100+% jumps 😄 but thats just business as usual looking at past gpu gens 🙂 as for die size, at some point nvidia will also jump on the multi chip wagon just like AMD and now intel before them.

plus they dont need to prioritize gamers. the whole reason they introduce so many alternative tweaks to classic rasterization via tensor / RT is that this is just dripping down from their AI / cloud / server / enterprise customer cards anyways. so they just adopt whatever new shizz they have for their main business (i.e. "non-gamer") and let it trickle down to gaming, bam done. 

 

unless at some point they decide that gaming isnt worth it anymore at all, that would suck...but i dont think we are at that point just yet.

 

14 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Anybody check their memory on their 4090s with this command? nvidia-smi -q -d row_remapper

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-4090-owners-club.1800847/post-29286667

 

Looking at all those logged errors from OCs and temp settings and he's trying to reset it for HWBOT.

 

His:

 

 

Mine:

 

 

 

huh, interesting! will keep this in mind and check when im back home.

 

12 hours ago, D2ultima said:

 

Not sure if this is relevant enough but it may help 

 

 

oh snap completely forgot about that one! good find! 🙂 

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

"that much" sounds like its never been done before or would be unusual in the range of 50-70%, "that much" would rather be appropriate for 100+% jumps 😄 

“That much” is actually appropriate. The jump from Ampere to Ada was much larger than that from Turing to Ampere, which was kind of meh on the architectural level - they worked around this by scaling the GPU and VRAM, resulting in a “large” 3090 unit.
Now, thanks to the seriously improved Ada architecture, they were able to offer a decent performance uptick while actually slashing VRAM specs sub 4090. With 4090 they released a chungus-class device with fast VRAM, hence the unprecedented in recent history performance improvement. To maintain anywhere near that momentum they would need another spectacular architectural breakthrough, probably still coupled with faster VRAM and bigger chassis. A 6 slot GPU for $3K anyone? Apart from bro @electrosoft who already preordered  🙂

[Tenoroon]

Managed to get a 4070 Super Dual by ASUS for MSRP on Newegg. All of the other cards were above MSRP... 

There was a TPU review on this card though, and the PCB and cooler look alright, so we'll see how it goes. I hope the AIBs don't bin their SKUs too hard as I got a regular dual. I didn't want to pay extra for it to be pre OC'd.

 

[Talon]

3 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

Managed to get a 4070 Super Dual by ASUS for MSRP on Newegg. All of the other cards were above MSRP... 

There was a TPU review on this card though, and the PCB and cooler look alright, so we'll see how it goes. I hope the AIBs don't bin their SKUs too hard as I got a regular dual. I didn't want to pay extra for it to be pre OC'd.

 

 

Buy cheapest card/MSRP and flash higher TGP vBIOS from the "super duper" cards. Profit. 

 

Sold my RTX 4090 FE yesterday after using it for about 5 months. Grabbed a little baby MSRP RTX 4070 Super FE from Best Buy this morning. Free overnight shipment. Plan to flash the 350w Gigabyte vBIOS to it with the unlocked flasher. A 4090 in a secondary rig was a total waste of a card. Glad I was able to sell it for what I paid to a nice guy that was building his first rig. 

[electrosoft]

6 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

huh, interesting! will keep this in mind and check when im back home.

 

I'll be curious to see what your report spits out (along with @Papusan and @Mr. Fox). I suspect yours will be clean as we don't do too much overclocking.

 

5 hours ago, Etern4l said:

“That much” is actually appropriate. The jump from Ampere to Ada was much larger than that from Turing to Ampere, which was kind of meh on the architectural level - they worked around this by scaling the GPU and VRAM, resulting in a “large” 3090 unit.
Now, thanks to the seriously improved Ada architecture, they were able to offer a decent performance uptick while actually slashing VRAM specs sub 4090. With 4090 they released a chungus-class device with fast VRAM, hence the unprecedented in recent history performance improvement. To maintain anywhere near that momentum they would need another spectacular architectural breakthrough, probably still coupled with faster VRAM and bigger chassis. A 6 slot GPU for $3K anyone? Apart from bro @electrosoft who already preordered  🙂

 

LOL, in my defense I'm sure @Talon will be the first out of the block with a 5090! 🤣

 

4 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

Managed to get a 4070 Super Dual by ASUS for MSRP on Newegg. All of the other cards were above MSRP... 

There was a TPU review on this card though, and the PCB and cooler look alright, so we'll see how it goes. I hope the AIBs don't bin their SKUs too hard as I got a regular dual. I didn't want to pay extra for it to be pre OC'd.

 

 

Awesome bro, congrats! So what does the final desktop build look like now?